colleges outside top 25 (and not a nescac) that place well in finance..

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Anonymous wrote:Bucknell and Lehigh grads with high gpa’s get front office jobs if they target it and are singularly focused on getting it the moment they set foot on campus as freshman

Business professor and Goldman Sachs alum here. I have sent Ph.D. students to become professors at Colgate, University of South Carolina, and have a former colleague at Lehigh. I was first-generation college and didn't even know what an investment banker or engineer was at age 17. I can't relate to a teenager who is "singularly focused" on such a narrow field.

Typically, DCUM fails to discuss the quality of education in finance, business, or other majors. Furthermore, DCUM thinks a finance offer at age 22 guarantees a successful career and happy life. As long as your high school nincompoop gets into a school with the right "connections", your helicopter parenting is over, and you can retire.

Anonymous wrote:My nephew just graduated from Lehigh with a job in finance. He was a business/computer sci major and had great internships and several offers on Wall st.

Now you are just spoiling the DCUM narrative! Your nephew went to a school known for engineering. Then he learned about computers in addition to business. In other words, he acquired skills. He could be self-sufficient and work with data and software tools. Good for him and his employer!

The DCUM attitude is immature and short-sighted. You expect a kid to be singularly focused for 21 years. How about letting the kid learn what he likes? How about urging the kid to learn versatile math and computer skills? Then the kid can do finance, business, science, engineering, or medicine. If the kid becomes smart and skilled, then he can get a top one-year masters in the field of his choice. Is it so terrible to start a career at age 23 instead of 22.?

Here is a thought. Get CLEP and AP credit, and take an extra course each semester, or online during winter/summer breaks. Then you can graduate in 3 years instead of 4. DCUM never discusses saving a year of college, but everybody complains when I suggest getting a one-year masters degree after becoming more educated and mature about the career field. The focus on schools with "connections" and "placement" is why I suspect y'all are raising a bunch of incompetent nincompoops who can't get a good education or job on their own merits.

What's your point?? major in STEM?
I generally agree but not everyone is into STEM

Finance and accounting are great for non-STEM people

How is accounting not STEM? The M stands for Math after all.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a thought. Get CLEP and AP credit, and take an extra course each semester, or online during winter/summer breaks. Then you can graduate in 3 years instead of 4. DCUM never discusses saving a year of college, but everybody complains when I suggest getting a one-year masters degree after becoming more educated and mature about the career field. The focus on schools with "connections" and "placement" is why I suspect y'all are raising a bunch of incompetent nincompoops who can't get a good education or job on their own merits.

In a slight derail, that very thought is what we're working on: dual enrollment (plus AP and CLEP) likely to shave 1-3 semesters off of a 4-year degree, leaving the 'extra' time (and $$) to pursue a masters deeper into young adulthood.

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IU Kelly School

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Anonymous wrote:Students who are superstars in related fields are the ones who place well, it has little to do with the colleges. Cambridge, MIT, Harvard, etc. have more people at Jane Street than anyone else because they have more graduates who are ridiculously smart and ambitious and care about making boatloads of money than other colleges. Those kids were already that way in high school, which is why they were admitted. If they had all chosen to go to Penn State instead, then Penn State would be number one at Jane Street.

That’s a small piece of it. IB and hedge funds, etc give a lot of deference to an Ivy degree. There will be oodles of ivy grads at these shops who opt out / wash out after a few years- most in fact. But the entry point of entry is much easier for them notwithstanding their major at Princeton.

For the rest of the world, though, I agree that physics, comp sci, math all can lead to these careers.

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Anonymous wrote:Students who are superstars in related fields are the ones who place well, it has little to do with the colleges. Cambridge, MIT, Harvard, etc. have more people at Jane Street than anyone else because they have more graduates who are ridiculously smart and ambitious and care about making boatloads of money than other colleges. Those kids were already that way in high school, which is why they were admitted. If they had all chosen to go to Penn State instead, then Penn State would be number one at Jane Street.

That’s a small piece of it. IB and hedge funds, etc give a lot of deference to an Ivy degree. There will be oodles of ivy grads at these shops who opt out / wash out after a few years- most in fact. But the entry point of entry is much easier for them notwithstanding their major at Princeton.

For the rest of the world, though, I agree that physics, comp sci, math all can lead to these careers.

But what I'm saying is the reason they give deference to the Ivy degree (assuming they do) is because the Ivies get first pick of (most of) the strongest, most ambitious high school students, so they know these students have already been vetted by a source that's been doing this for centuries. The education they get there, though, isn't different enough from Penn State (or many other universities) that they wouldn't be just as happy to get the same students from a different place. These firms are dominated by students from the most selective colleges, but not limited to grads of those schools because there are plenty of superstars not at the Ivies+, too.

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Anonymous wrote:Students who are superstars in related fields are the ones who place well, it has little to do with the colleges. Cambridge, MIT, Harvard, etc. have more people at Jane Street than anyone else because they have more graduates who are ridiculously smart and ambitious and care about making boatloads of money than other colleges. Those kids were already that way in high school, which is why they were admitted. If they had all chosen to go to Penn State instead, then Penn State would be number one at Jane Street.

That’s a small piece of it. IB and hedge funds, etc give a lot of deference to an Ivy degree. There will be oodles of ivy grads at these shops who opt out / wash out after a few years- most in fact. But the entry point of entry is much easier for them notwithstanding their major at Princeton.

For the rest of the world, though, I agree that physics, comp sci, math all can lead to these careers.

But what I'm saying is the reason they give deference to the Ivy degree (assuming they do) is because the Ivies get first pick of (most of) the strongest, most ambitious high school students, so they know these students have already been vetted by a source that's been doing this for centuries. The education they get there, though, isn't different enough from Penn State (or many other universities) that they wouldn't be just as happy to get the same students from a different place. These firms are dominated by students from the most selective colleges, but not limited to grads of those schools because there are plenty of superstars not at the Ivies+, too.

Goodness, you are assuming that all the strongest students in the country actually apply to these schools? Yes, they obviously get a strong cohort, but no one thinks they get all of the strongest most ambitious students.

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I just don't see the appeal in these jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don't see the appeal in these jobs.

Nobody cares about your personal feeling

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Anonymous wrote:Students who are superstars in related fields are the ones who place well, it has little to do with the colleges. Cambridge, MIT, Harvard, etc. have more people at Jane Street than anyone else because they have more graduates who are ridiculously smart and ambitious and care about making boatloads of money than other colleges. Those kids were already that way in high school, which is why they were admitted. If they had all chosen to go to Penn State instead, then Penn State would be number one at Jane Street.

That’s a small piece of it. IB and hedge funds, etc give a lot of deference to an Ivy degree. There will be oodles of ivy grads at these shops who opt out / wash out after a few years- most in fact. But the entry point of entry is much easier for them notwithstanding their major at Princeton.

For the rest of the world, though, I agree that physics, comp sci, math all can lead to these careers.

But what I'm saying is the reason they give deference to the Ivy degree (assuming they do) is because the Ivies get first pick of (most of) the strongest, most ambitious high school students, so they know these students have already been vetted by a source that's been doing this for centuries. The education they get there, though, isn't different enough from Penn State (or many other universities) that they wouldn't be just as happy to get the same students from a different place. These firms are dominated by students from the most selective colleges, but not limited to grads of those schools because there are plenty of superstars not at the Ivies+, too.

Goodness, you are assuming that all the strongest students in the country actually apply to these schools? Yes, they obviously get a strong cohort, but no one thinks they get all of the strongest most ambitious students.

I said 'most', not 'all'. And I think my point is clear.

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Anonymous wrote:Students who are superstars in related fields are the ones who place well, it has little to do with the colleges. Cambridge, MIT, Harvard, etc. have more people at Jane Street than anyone else because they have more graduates who are ridiculously smart and ambitious and care about making boatloads of money than other colleges. Those kids were already that way in high school, which is why they were admitted. If they had all chosen to go to Penn State instead, then Penn State would be number one at Jane Street.

That’s a small piece of it. IB and hedge funds, etc give a lot of deference to an Ivy degree. There will be oodles of ivy grads at these shops who opt out / wash out after a few years- most in fact. But the entry point of entry is much easier for them notwithstanding their major at Princeton.

For the rest of the world, though, I agree that physics, comp sci, math all can lead to these careers.

But what I'm saying is the reason they give deference to the Ivy degree (assuming they do) is because the Ivies get first pick of (most of) the strongest, most ambitious high school students, so they know these students have already been vetted by a source that's been doing this for centuries. The education they get there, though, isn't different enough from Penn State (or many other universities) that they wouldn't be just as happy to get the same students from a different place. These firms are dominated by students from the most selective colleges, but not limited to grads of those schools because there are plenty of superstars not at the Ivies+, too.

Goodness, you are assuming that all the strongest students in the country actually apply to these schools? Yes, they obviously get a strong cohort, but no one thinks they get all of the strongest most ambitious students.

In particular, over the last two years, plenty of students who would normally have been an Ivy admit (1550+ SAT, tons of APs, high GPA) have been shut out and wound up at lower ranked schools thanks to the college admissions disruption. Its very likely that these kids will be viewed as weaker students because they went to, say Wisconsin, VT or Indiana vs. an Ivy or a T25. It is possible that the upheaval in admissions will have a material impact on their career prospects. So the hits may well keep on coming for these kids later when it comes to job hunting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students who are superstars in related fields are the ones who place well, it has little to do with the colleges. Cambridge, MIT, Harvard, etc. have more people at Jane Street than anyone else because they have more graduates who are ridiculously smart and ambitious and care about making boatloads of money than other colleges. Those kids were already that way in high school, which is why they were admitted. If they had all chosen to go to Penn State instead, then Penn State would be number one at Jane Street.

That’s a small piece of it. IB and hedge funds, etc give a lot of deference to an Ivy degree. There will be oodles of ivy grads at these shops who opt out / wash out after a few years- most in fact. But the entry point of entry is much easier for them notwithstanding their major at Princeton.

For the rest of the world, though, I agree that physics, comp sci, math all can lead to these careers.

But what I'm saying is the reason they give deference to the Ivy degree (assuming they do) is because the Ivies get first pick of (most of) the strongest, most ambitious high school students, so they know these students have already been vetted by a source that's been doing this for centuries. The education they get there, though, isn't different enough from Penn State (or many other universities) that they wouldn't be just as happy to get the same students from a different place. These firms are dominated by students from the most selective colleges, but not limited to grads of those schools because there are plenty of superstars not at the Ivies+, too.

Goodness, you are assuming that all the strongest students in the country actually apply to these schools? Yes, they obviously get a strong cohort, but no one thinks they get all of the strongest most ambitious students.

In particular, over the last two years, plenty of students who would normally have been an Ivy admit (1550+ SAT, tons of APs, high GPA) have been shut out and wound up at lower ranked schools thanks to the college admissions disruption. Its very likely that these kids will be viewed as weaker students because they went to, say Wisconsin, VT or Indiana vs. an Ivy or a T25. It is possible that the upheaval in admissions will have a material impact on their career prospects. So the hits may well keep on coming for these kids later when it comes to job hunting.

They will not be viewed as weaker and it will not affect their careers at all if they keep working hard and seizing opportunities.

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Anonymous wrote:Bucknell

Yep this. Granted a while ago but when I was going through recruiting in the late 90s, there would be students from the ivys, Stanford, MIT, and Bucknell. Never really understood that. But I have known people who went to Buckness and they really liked it.

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Anonymous wrote:Bucknell and Lehigh grads with high gpa’s get front office jobs if they target it and are singularly focused on getting it the moment they set foot on campus as freshman

Business professor and Goldman Sachs alum here. I have sent Ph.D. students to become professors at Colgate, University of South Carolina, and have a former colleague at Lehigh. I was first-generation college and didn't even know what an investment banker or engineer was at age 17. I can't relate to a teenager who is "singularly focused" on such a narrow field.

Typically, DCUM fails to discuss the quality of education in finance, business, or other majors. Furthermore, DCUM thinks a finance offer at age 22 guarantees a successful career and happy life. As long as your high school nincompoop gets into a school with the right "connections", your helicopter parenting is over, and you can retire.

Anonymous wrote:My nephew just graduated from Lehigh with a job in finance. He was a business/computer sci major and had great internships and several offers on Wall st.

Now you are just spoiling the DCUM narrative! Your nephew went to a school known for engineering. Then he learned about computers in addition to business. In other words, he acquired skills. He could be self-sufficient and work with data and software tools. Good for him and his employer!

The DCUM attitude is immature and short-sighted. You expect a kid to be singularly focused for 21 years. How about letting the kid learn what he likes? How about urging the kid to learn versatile math and computer skills? Then the kid can do finance, business, science, engineering, or medicine. If the kid becomes smart and skilled, then he can get a top one-year masters in the field of his choice. Is it so terrible to start a career at age 23 instead of 22.?

Here is a thought. Get CLEP and AP credit, and take an extra course each semester, or online during winter/summer breaks. Then you can graduate in 3 years instead of 4. DCUM never discusses saving a year of college, but everybody complains when I suggest getting a one-year masters degree after becoming more educated and mature about the career field. The focus on schools with "connections" and "placement" is why I suspect y'all are raising a bunch of incompetent nincompoops who can't get a good education or job on their own merits.

What's your point?? major in STEM?
I generally agree but not everyone is into STEM

Finance and accounting are great for non-STEM people

How is accounting not STEM? The M stands for Math after all.

The same could be said of finance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bucknell and Lehigh grads with high gpa’s get front office jobs if they target it and are singularly focused on getting it the moment they set foot on campus as freshman

Business professor and Goldman Sachs alum here. I have sent Ph.D. students to become professors at Colgate, University of South Carolina, and have a former colleague at Lehigh. I was first-generation college and didn't even know what an investment banker or engineer was at age 17. I can't relate to a teenager who is "singularly focused" on such a narrow field.

Typically, DCUM fails to discuss the quality of education in finance, business, or other majors. Furthermore, DCUM thinks a finance offer at age 22 guarantees a successful career and happy life. As long as your high school nincompoop gets into a school with the right "connections", your helicopter parenting is over, and you can retire.

Anonymous wrote:My nephew just graduated from Lehigh with a job in finance. He was a business/computer sci major and had great internships and several offers on Wall st.

Now you are just spoiling the DCUM narrative! Your nephew went to a school known for engineering. Then he learned about computers in addition to business. In other words, he acquired skills. He could be self-sufficient and work with data and software tools. Good for him and his employer!

The DCUM attitude is immature and short-sighted. You expect a kid to be singularly focused for 21 years. How about letting the kid learn what he likes? How about urging the kid to learn versatile math and computer skills? Then the kid can do finance, business, science, engineering, or medicine. If the kid becomes smart and skilled, then he can get a top one-year masters in the field of his choice. Is it so terrible to start a career at age 23 instead of 22.?

Here is a thought. Get CLEP and AP credit, and take an extra course each semester, or online during winter/summer breaks. Then you can graduate in 3 years instead of 4. DCUM never discusses saving a year of college, but everybody complains when I suggest getting a one-year masters degree after becoming more educated and mature about the career field. The focus on schools with "connections" and "placement" is why I suspect y'all are raising a bunch of incompetent nincompoops who can't get a good education or job on their own merits.

What's your point?? major in STEM?
I generally agree but not everyone is into STEM

Finance and accounting are great for non-STEM people

How is accounting not STEM? The M stands for Math after all.

The same could be said of finance.

Same for Economics in a way.

Thus accounting, finance, economics get good respect from the industry and produce good outcomes

[Anonymous]

Northeastern and Stevens - see these grads all over linkedin at the tippy top of finance at BB PE and HFs - world is changing, these schools were never on my radar 20 years ago