Dr. X may not really have a doctorate?

[Anonymous]

FCPSAlumnowMom wrote:I guess because I am in a licensed and heavily regulated business, the thought of falsifying my credentials or just calling myself something that I am not is repugnant. So yeah, it really bothers me that she is calling herself Dr but has nothing that I can see to back it up.

Maybe his/her doctorate degree is from a foreign country and doesn't really count toward US teaching credentials. Who knows! But, really, OP... it's not your job to police this. Move along. Please.

[Anonymous]

In have passed the Bar in NC, SC and VA. I am a federal attorney and I only need one license. I practice under NC because it does not required Feds to do continuing Ed. The other two as Associate Status. I could take steps to reinstate them if needed.

My Fed Bio says member of the bar in NC. I could deal with associate status or say passed the bar in SC and vA, buT why bother? All my employer cares about is good standing in one state. And I have to pay a lot less in bar dues.

Professional credentialing is weird like that.

In spring of 2021, FCPS reached out to my TJ grad college freshman and asked him to be a classroom monitor. Of kids he was on the athletic team with the prior year. Pretty sure MA or MEd who asks to be called doctor is low on their list of issues.

Who knows, she could be a MD who never did a residency in a science subject.

If I thought a teacher without state mandated qualifications was in a classroom. Or, that a teacher was claiming a degree the didn’t have for a paY bump. Or that they had lied when hiring, that would be one thing.

OP is ridiculous and sounds off her rocker, and stuff like this spreads to other schools. I’ll be interested when OP posts her reply. I give it more than 50/50 that she has a degree that technically allows her to be called Dr. Especially
Since OP complained to two Admins. If there was something to it, they would have told her to stop this year.

I dare you to go to the SB meeting as a citizen speaker.

[Anonymous]

FCPSAlumnowMom wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She didn’t lie to FCPS or VDOE based on your OP, so it’s not a licensing/credentials issue. Just write her an email and tell her to stop doing this if it’s so important to you. This isn’t something to report to anyone.

Yes - I think this makes sense. As the PP asked - what consequences do I want? Or the other PP who said what a fool I will feel when it turns out she does have a doctorate and just doesn't want to report it --

I think I would feel GREAT if it turns out VADOE was wrong. YAY - she can report it and get a pay raise!!
And if she really doesn't have it -- I think I would just like to see her be called Ms. or Mrs. X.

That's it -- order restored. No "alternative facts" -- no playing doctor.

So I sent her an email this morning -- and referenced that I did talk to both of her Assistant Principals last year about this.
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Hi -

Not sure if you are aware, but your PhD in Education studies does not appear on the Virginia Department of Education licensing website.

https://vadoe.mylicense.com/verification/Search.aspx?facility=N

It looks like you just renewed your license in June of this year (since it doesn't expire until 2032).

I apologize for never asking you directly where you received your doctorate -- I did ask XXXX and XXXX last December, but they couldn't tell me.

Anyway - since this database is accessible to the public -- thought you should know that your teaching license isn't reflecting your doctorate.
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PP who asked why I had not just asked her before - well, given all the stuff that went on her in classroom -- things she would tell me about my child (or was said about other kids) that could not be corroborated by other teachers etc -- I figured she wouldn't necessarily tell me anyway -- so I let it go from last December.
I didn't see this VADOC website database until someone on DC URBAN MOM posted about it this summer or so in reference to teachers being hired with provisional licensing etc. That's when I looked her up and found that she didn't have a PhD or EdD listed.

oh my GOD. This HAS to be satire. Right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

FCPSAlumnowMom wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She didn’t lie to FCPS or VDOE based on your OP, so it’s not a licensing/credentials issue. Just write her an email and tell her to stop doing this if it’s so important to you. This isn’t something to report to anyone.

Yes - I think this makes sense. As the PP asked - what consequences do I want? Or the other PP who said what a fool I will feel when it turns out she does have a doctorate and just doesn't want to report it --

I think I would feel GREAT if it turns out VADOE was wrong. YAY - she can report it and get a pay raise!!
And if she really doesn't have it -- I think I would just like to see her be called Ms. or Mrs. X.

That's it -- order restored. No "alternative facts" -- no playing doctor.

So I sent her an email this morning -- and referenced that I did talk to both of her Assistant Principals last year about this.
****************************

Hi -

Not sure if you are aware, but your PhD in Education studies does not appear on the Virginia Department of Education licensing website.

https://vadoe.mylicense.com/verification/Search.aspx?facility=N

It looks like you just renewed your license in June of this year (since it doesn't expire until 2032).

I apologize for never asking you directly where you received your doctorate -- I did ask XXXX and XXXX last December, but they couldn't tell me.

Anyway - since this database is accessible to the public -- thought you should know that your teaching license isn't reflecting your doctorate.
*************************************

PP who asked why I had not just asked her before - well, given all the stuff that went on her in classroom -- things she would tell me about my child (or was said about other kids) that could not be corroborated by other teachers etc -- I figured she wouldn't necessarily tell me anyway -- so I let it go from last December.
I didn't see this VADOC website database until someone on DC URBAN MOM posted about it this summer or so in reference to teachers being hired with provisional licensing etc. That's when I looked her up and found that she didn't have a PhD or EdD listed.

oh my GOD. This HAS to be satire. Right?

I understand your curiosity, but you reached out to the administration last year, right? That's the only action you can take. At this point, now that your kids are out of the school, it seems really odd to circle back with the teacher. The administration either determined it wasn't even worth looking into, or they looked into it and were satisfied. For you to be like, but that's not good enough for me as the random parent of your former student, is not your place. If you think admin didn't handle it correctly and there's actually a teacher with a master's insisting everyone call her doctor because she's a delusional weirdo, then you can take it higher up the chain.

The way you are handling and writing about it makes it seem like a weird obsession based on jealousy.

[Anonymous]

Op, thank you for providing excellent Tuesday afternoon entertainment. Off to go update the LinkedIn profile I never look at in case there are equally unhinged parents at my school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe she's been ABD somewhere for a long time and decided to just go for it and call herself Dr.

This would be fraudulent. Being ABD is not even close to earning the actual Ph.D. I say this as someone who is ABD myself.

I don't think it's fraudulent to call yourself Dr. and let people assume you have a doctorate. If you submit a false credential that would be fraud.

What? “Fraudulent” means “unjustifiably claiming or being credited with particular accomplishments or qualities.“. Claiming to have a Ph.D. when you do not have a Ph.D. is fraudulent.

I could make my students call me Mrs even though I'm not married. Like Dr. X I would not be lying about a condition of my employment and I would not benefit financially, so it would be weird but who exactly am i defrauding?

[FCPSAlumnowMom]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe she's been ABD somewhere for a long time and decided to just go for it and call herself Dr.

This would be fraudulent. Being ABD is not even close to earning the actual Ph.D. I say this as someone who is ABD myself.

I don't think it's fraudulent to call yourself Dr. and let people assume you have a doctorate. If you submit a false credential that would be fraud.

What? “Fraudulent” means “unjustifiably claiming or being credited with particular accomplishments or qualities.“. Claiming to have a Ph.D. when you do not have a Ph.D. is fraudulent.

I could make my students call me Mrs even though I'm not married. Like Dr. X I would not be lying about a condition of my employment and I would not benefit financially, so it would be weird but who exactly am i defrauding?

False equivalents -- your marital status doesn't necessarily prepare you for teaching a subject matter, managing a classroom, etc -- a degree in something like the "PhD in Education studies" in theory does.

[FCPSAlumnowMom]

Anonymous wrote:Op, thank you for providing excellent Tuesday afternoon entertainment. Off to go update the LinkedIn profile I never look at in case there are equally unhinged parents at my school.

AWESOME! So glad to be the impetus -- but do remember to make sure you don't have two schools on one social media site, and two totally different schools and degrees listed on another!

[Anonymous]

FCPSAlumnowMom wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe she's been ABD somewhere for a long time and decided to just go for it and call herself Dr.

This would be fraudulent. Being ABD is not even close to earning the actual Ph.D. I say this as someone who is ABD myself.

I don't think it's fraudulent to call yourself Dr. and let people assume you have a doctorate. If you submit a false credential that would be fraud.

What? “Fraudulent” means “unjustifiably claiming or being credited with particular accomplishments or qualities.“. Claiming to have a Ph.D. when you do not have a Ph.D. is fraudulent.

I could make my students call me Mrs even though I'm not married. Like Dr. X I would not be lying about a condition of my employment and I would not benefit financially, so it would be weird but who exactly am i defrauding?

False equivalents -- your marital status doesn't necessarily prepare you for teaching a subject matter, managing a classroom, etc -- a degree in something like the "PhD in Education studies" in theory does.

But it doesn't appear that she lied about her credentials in order to receive a professional benefit (her teaching position or financial consideration). She's just asking people to use an inaccurate honorific.

[FCPSAlumnowMom]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

FCPSAlumnowMom wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She didn’t lie to FCPS or VDOE based on your OP, so it’s not a licensing/credentials issue. Just write her an email and tell her to stop doing this if it’s so important to you. This isn’t something to report to anyone.

Yes - I think this makes sense. As the PP asked - what consequences do I want? Or the other PP who said what a fool I will feel when it turns out she does have a doctorate and just doesn't want to report it --

I think I would feel GREAT if it turns out VADOE was wrong. YAY - she can report it and get a pay raise!!
And if she really doesn't have it -- I think I would just like to see her be called Ms. or Mrs. X.

That's it -- order restored. No "alternative facts" -- no playing doctor.

So I sent her an email this morning -- and referenced that I did talk to both of her Assistant Principals last year about this.
****************************

Hi -

Not sure if you are aware, but your PhD in Education studies does not appear on the Virginia Department of Education licensing website.

https://vadoe.mylicense.com/verification/Search.aspx?facility=N

It looks like you just renewed your license in June of this year (since it doesn't expire until 2032).

I apologize for never asking you directly where you received your doctorate -- I did ask XXXX and XXXX last December, but they couldn't tell me.

Anyway - since this database is accessible to the public -- thought you should know that your teaching license isn't reflecting your doctorate.
*************************************

PP who asked why I had not just asked her before - well, given all the stuff that went on her in classroom -- things she would tell me about my child (or was said about other kids) that could not be corroborated by other teachers etc -- I figured she wouldn't necessarily tell me anyway -- so I let it go from last December.
I didn't see this VADOC website database until someone on DC URBAN MOM posted about it this summer or so in reference to teachers being hired with provisional licensing etc. That's when I looked her up and found that she didn't have a PhD or EdD listed.

oh my GOD. This HAS to be satire. Right?

I understand your curiosity, but you reached out to the administration last year, right? That's the only action you can take. At this point, now that your kids are out of the school, it seems really odd to circle back with the teacher. The administration either determined it wasn't even worth looking into, or they looked into it and were satisfied. For you to be like, but that's not good enough for me as the random parent of your former student, is not your place. If you think admin didn't handle it correctly and there's actually a teacher with a master's insisting everyone call her doctor because she's a delusional weirdo, then you can take it higher up the chain.

The way you are handling and writing about it makes it seem like a weird obsession based on jealousy.

So the administration I reached to last year is gone -- the assistant principal left in January for a new school and the "acting" assistant principal didn't get (or want?) the job -- not sure she 's in FCPS any more even. She specifically told me she had no idea where the degree was from and that was something FCPS handles for the school.

Jealousy? No - don't think it's that. I know enough about her professional and personal life that I cannot think of anything I would want to trade in her life -- well, she's taller than me -- that would be nice?

I think I'm more concerned that she holds herself out there as a PhD and yet won't list from where on Social Media or with the county... not sure how that's a great look for a teacher of elementary students.

[Anonymous]

Your kids don’t even go there anymore?!? Seek help.

[Anonymous]

I hope this teacher is getting a restraining order. This is beyond obsessive.

[Anonymous]

Holy s*** this is scary

[Anonymous]

OP -- you have issues -- get help -- and learn some punctuation besides emdashes.

[Anonymous]

FCPSAlumnowMom wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

FCPSAlumnowMom wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She didn’t lie to FCPS or VDOE based on your OP, so it’s not a licensing/credentials issue. Just write her an email and tell her to stop doing this if it’s so important to you. This isn’t something to report to anyone.

Yes - I think this makes sense. As the PP asked - what consequences do I want? Or the other PP who said what a fool I will feel when it turns out she does have a doctorate and just doesn't want to report it --

I think I would feel GREAT if it turns out VADOE was wrong. YAY - she can report it and get a pay raise!!
And if she really doesn't have it -- I think I would just like to see her be called Ms. or Mrs. X.

That's it -- order restored. No "alternative facts" -- no playing doctor.

So I sent her an email this morning -- and referenced that I did talk to both of her Assistant Principals last year about this.
****************************

Hi -

Not sure if you are aware, but your PhD in Education studies does not appear on the Virginia Department of Education licensing website.

https://vadoe.mylicense.com/verification/Search.aspx?facility=N

It looks like you just renewed your license in June of this year (since it doesn't expire until 2032).

I apologize for never asking you directly where you received your doctorate -- I did ask XXXX and XXXX last December, but they couldn't tell me.

Anyway - since this database is accessible to the public -- thought you should know that your teaching license isn't reflecting your doctorate.
*************************************

PP who asked why I had not just asked her before - well, given all the stuff that went on her in classroom -- things she would tell me about my child (or was said about other kids) that could not be corroborated by other teachers etc -- I figured she wouldn't necessarily tell me anyway -- so I let it go from last December.
I didn't see this VADOC website database until someone on DC URBAN MOM posted about it this summer or so in reference to teachers being hired with provisional licensing etc. That's when I looked her up and found that she didn't have a PhD or EdD listed.

oh my GOD. This HAS to be satire. Right?

I understand your curiosity, but you reached out to the administration last year, right? That's the only action you can take. At this point, now that your kids are out of the school, it seems really odd to circle back with the teacher. The administration either determined it wasn't even worth looking into, or they looked into it and were satisfied. For you to be like, but that's not good enough for me as the random parent of your former student, is not your place. If you think admin didn't handle it correctly and there's actually a teacher with a master's insisting everyone call her doctor because she's a delusional weirdo, then you can take it higher up the chain.

The way you are handling and writing about it makes it seem like a weird obsession based on jealousy.

So the administration I reached to last year is gone -- the assistant principal left in January for a new school and the "acting" assistant principal didn't get (or want?) the job -- not sure she 's in FCPS any more even. She specifically told me she had no idea where the degree was from and that was something FCPS handles for the school.

Jealousy? No - don't think it's that. I know enough about her professional and personal life that I cannot think of anything I would want to trade in her life -- well, she's taller than me -- that would be nice?

I think I'm more concerned that she holds herself out there as a PhD and yet won't list from where on Social Media or with the county... not sure how that's a great look for a teacher of elementary students.

You seem very fixated on how she presents herself to students and how she views her job, and you definitely connect this to why you need to wage this one woman war.

I'm betting she has a PhD and there's just some recording error. Why? Because she would have stopped asking people to call her Dr. when you started sniffing around, or the school would have told her to stop calling herself that. She would have seen that you are a dog with a bone and she'd better bury the bone real quick.

I assume she just got your email and laughed and forwarded it around for others to laugh at as well.

One time I was a grown woman teaching high school and I left an hour early to catch a plane to Paris for spring break. I wasn't bragging about my plans but when the students asked where I was going, I told them. I came back engaged. I didn't mention how or when or where I got engaged.

Then the vice principal called me in to tell me that a squeaky wheel parent had complained that I was immoral because I had clearly gone off to Paris with some man I wasn't married to. She told me that no one took this woman seriously and not to worry, she would handle it for me. She reminded me to of course not talk about my personal life with my students, but I never did so there was nothing for me to change.

You are coming across like this parent, except at least I could understand if you were some puritanical pearl clutcher you might believe that traveling with a man you are just about to become engaged to might be contagious and corrupt your child. That parent felt real fear, though it was invasive, unfair, and holding me to some religious standard that was outside her right when it comes to public school teachers. I don't understand why you are feeling fear or outrage about this.

You get one life, OP. It's good to fight righteous battles, but you are tilting at windmills here.