Dr. X may not really have a doctorate?

[Anonymous]

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FCPSAlumnowMom wrote:I just realized what this thread reminds me of --

When someone in your office sends out a big group email and people start requesting to be taken off the list by hitting Reply All -- and then people start replying telling people to stop hitting Reply All.
And then more people Reply Alland more and more...

I've been called autistic, narcissistic and bat shit crazy on this thread. I've been told to just chill, back away, stop.

But y'all cannot help yourself to keep feeding into the crazy. It's like you want me on that wall, like you need me on that wall.

Welp, I think I better stop hitting Reply All.

It's been quite an education -- thanks All!

Just HAD to pop in for that last little scrap of sweet, sweet attention, didn’t you?

All of you snarky people need to focus on being helpful and stop ganging up on op. It’s ridiculous. Op asked a question because the teacher is potentially lacking integrity in her behavior and people target op. So nuts. The real focus should be on the teacher’s desire to falsify her credentials. It’s like this thread includes friends of the teacher. I read a lot of these threads and I’ve never seen harsher words against an op. Makes me think that the teachers’ friends are writing responses to defend deplorable behavior. It’s disgusting the lack integrity and ethics, and regardless if my kids are at this school today or not I’d want to be sure ANY unethical behavior is dealt with at ANY school. Every student deserves a teacher that leads by example in honesty — especially as we see honestly lacking in so many areas.

Hi, OP! You’re failing at masking your writing style. We see you!

Again I’m not op. People can disagree with your opinion! I see you as someone that can’t fathom someone else thinks differently than you!

[Anonymous]

A guy I interned with used to jokingly call other attorneys "doctor" because the degree is "juris doctor". I imagine that would make OP's head explode.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

FCPSAlumnowMom wrote:I just realized what this thread reminds me of --

When someone in your office sends out a big group email and people start requesting to be taken off the list by hitting Reply All -- and then people start replying telling people to stop hitting Reply All.
And then more people Reply Alland more and more...

I've been called autistic, narcissistic and bat shit crazy on this thread. I've been told to just chill, back away, stop.

But y'all cannot help yourself to keep feeding into the crazy. It's like you want me on that wall, like you need me on that wall.

Welp, I think I better stop hitting Reply All.

It's been quite an education -- thanks All!

Just HAD to pop in for that last little scrap of sweet, sweet attention, didn’t you?

You know there are over 10k teachers in FCPS, right? The probability that OP found this thread AND admitted to all her peers that she lied about her credentials and that those teachers had nothing better to do than sock puppet at the end of the quarter is astronomical.

All of you snarky people need to focus on being helpful and stop ganging up on op. It’s ridiculous. Op asked a question because the teacher is potentially lacking integrity in her behavior and people target op. So nuts. The real focus should be on the teacher’s desire to falsify her credentials. It’s like this thread includes friends of the teacher. I read a lot of these threads and I’ve never seen harsher words against an op. Makes me think that the teachers’ friends are writing responses to defend deplorable behavior. It’s disgusting the lack integrity and ethics, and regardless if my kids are at this school today or not I’d want to be sure ANY unethical behavior is dealt with at ANY school. Every student deserves a teacher that leads by example in honesty — especially as we see honestly lacking in so many areas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

FCPSAlumnowMom wrote:I just realized what this thread reminds me of --

When someone in your office sends out a big group email and people start requesting to be taken off the list by hitting Reply All -- and then people start replying telling people to stop hitting Reply All.
And then more people Reply Alland more and more...

I've been called autistic, narcissistic and bat shit crazy on this thread. I've been told to just chill, back away, stop.

But y'all cannot help yourself to keep feeding into the crazy. It's like you want me on that wall, like you need me on that wall.

Welp, I think I better stop hitting Reply All.

It's been quite an education -- thanks All!

Just HAD to pop in for that last little scrap of sweet, sweet attention, didn’t you?

All of you snarky people need to focus on being helpful and stop ganging up on op. It’s ridiculous. Op asked a question because the teacher is potentially lacking integrity in her behavior and people target op. So nuts. The real focus should be on the teacher’s desire to falsify her credentials. It’s like this thread includes friends of the teacher. I read a lot of these threads and I’ve never seen harsher words against an op. Makes me think that the teachers’ friends are writing responses to defend deplorable behavior. It’s disgusting the lack integrity and ethics, and regardless if my kids are at this school today or not I’d want to be sure ANY unethical behavior is dealt with at ANY school. Every student deserves a teacher that leads by example in honesty — especially as we see honestly lacking in so many areas.

Hi, OP! You’re failing at masking your writing style. We see you!

Again I’m not op. People can disagree with your opinion! I see you as someone that can’t fathom someone else thinks differently than you!

Then what do you think about teachers saying it is very possible that Dr. X has a degree that qualifies her to be called Dr., and just didn’t pay to update the system?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A guy I interned with used to jokingly call other attorneys "doctor" because the degree is "juris doctor". I imagine that would make OP's head explode.

JD here who HATES it when we get addressed as esquire. It makes me feel like landed gentry (which I sadly am not).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe she's been ABD somewhere for a long time and decided to just go for it and call herself Dr.

I have a Ph.D. (would not call myself Dr., but that's a different issue). In academia, it wouldn't be acceptable to call oneself Dr. without completing the degree, but I feel like it's not uncommon for ABDs outside of academia to use Dr. I would say in her defense that using a title is not the same as lying about your credentials on your employment paperwork.

another phd who doesn't call self Dr. I'm in an unregulated field but "doctors" who are ABD (which means didn't have the baIIs or ability to finish) or who got their doctorates online, don't count. I am, absolutely, an intellectual snob.

[Anonymous]

FCPSAlumnowMom wrote:I just realized what this thread reminds me of --

When someone in your office sends out a big group email and people start requesting to be taken off the list by hitting Reply All -- and then people start replying telling people to stop hitting Reply All.
And then more people Reply Alland more and more...

I've been called autistic, narcissistic and bat shit crazy on this thread. I've been told to just chill, back away, stop.

But y'all cannot help yourself to keep feeding into the crazy. It's like you want me on that wall, like you need me on that wall.

Welp, I think I better stop hitting Reply All.

It's been quite an education -- thanks All!

This is peak DCUM

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

FCPSAlumnowMom wrote:I just realized what this thread reminds me of --

When someone in your office sends out a big group email and people start requesting to be taken off the list by hitting Reply All -- and then people start replying telling people to stop hitting Reply All.
And then more people Reply Alland more and more...

I've been called autistic, narcissistic and bat shit crazy on this thread. I've been told to just chill, back away, stop.

But y'all cannot help yourself to keep feeding into the crazy. It's like you want me on that wall, like you need me on that wall.

Welp, I think I better stop hitting Reply All.

It's been quite an education -- thanks All!

Just HAD to pop in for that last little scrap of sweet, sweet attention, didn’t you?

All of you snarky people need to focus on being helpful and stop ganging up on op. It’s ridiculous. Op asked a question because the teacher is potentially lacking integrity in her behavior and people target op. So nuts. The real focus should be on the teacher’s desire to falsify her credentials. It’s like this thread includes friends of the teacher. I read a lot of these threads and I’ve never seen harsher words against an op. Makes me think that the teachers’ friends are writing responses to defend deplorable behavior. It’s disgusting the lack integrity and ethics, and regardless if my kids are at this school today or not I’d want to be sure ANY unethical behavior is dealt with at ANY school. Every student deserves a teacher that leads by example in honesty — especially as we see honestly lacking in so many areas.

Hi, OP! You’re failing at masking your writing style. We see you!

Again I’m not op. People can disagree with your opinion! I see you as someone that can’t fathom someone else thinks differently than you!

Then what do you think about teachers saying it is very possible that Dr. X has a degree that qualifies her to be called Dr., and just didn’t pay to update the system?

I think that doesn’t make sense. Credentials matter and if you actually earned a doctorate, which requires significant effort and time you’d be so proud to make sure it was accurately reflected in all your credentials and professional associations. When I got my masters degree I immediately updated my profile and work info to note that significant accomplishment. I think there is high probability that the teacher is not being accurate and this discrepancy is concerning. Doesn’t pass sniff test to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

FCPSAlumnowMom wrote:I just realized what this thread reminds me of --

When someone in your office sends out a big group email and people start requesting to be taken off the list by hitting Reply All -- and then people start replying telling people to stop hitting Reply All.
And then more people Reply Alland more and more...

I've been called autistic, narcissistic and bat shit crazy on this thread. I've been told to just chill, back away, stop.

But y'all cannot help yourself to keep feeding into the crazy. It's like you want me on that wall, like you need me on that wall.

Welp, I think I better stop hitting Reply All.

It's been quite an education -- thanks All!

Just HAD to pop in for that last little scrap of sweet, sweet attention, didn’t you?

All of you snarky people need to focus on being helpful and stop ganging up on op. It’s ridiculous. Op asked a question because the teacher is potentially lacking integrity in her behavior and people target op. So nuts. The real focus should be on the teacher’s desire to falsify her credentials. It’s like this thread includes friends of the teacher. I read a lot of these threads and I’ve never seen harsher words against an op. Makes me think that the teachers’ friends are writing responses to defend deplorable behavior. It’s disgusting the lack integrity and ethics, and regardless if my kids are at this school today or not I’d want to be sure ANY unethical behavior is dealt with at ANY school. Every student deserves a teacher that leads by example in honesty — especially as we see honestly lacking in so many areas.

Hi, OP! You’re failing at masking your writing style. We see you!

Again I’m not op. People can disagree with your opinion! I see you as someone that can’t fathom someone else thinks differently than you!

Then what do you think about teachers saying it is very possible that Dr. X has a degree that qualifies her to be called Dr., and just didn’t pay to update the system?

I think that doesn’t make sense. Credentials matter and if you actually earned a doctorate, which requires significant effort and time you’d be so proud to make sure it was accurately reflected in all your credentials and professional associations. When I got my masters degree I immediately updated my profile and work info to note that significant accomplishment. I think there is high probability that the teacher is not being accurate and this discrepancy is concerning. Doesn’t pass sniff test to me.

I mean, good for you. But, there are a lot of people who don’t base their self worth on what some archaic state data base says. Most parents, students and teachers don’t search that data base and say: wow! She’s an EdD. Now I’m really impressed. Especially since most people in this area don’t think an EdD is a “real” doctorate.


I’m a lawyer. I was very impressed with myself when I passed the bar 20 years ago. But now it’s a means to an end— being allowed to do my job. My license has been sitting in the corner since I moved to full telework in 3/2020. Most people know I’m a Fed. Some know for what agency. I don’t think most know I’m an attorney. I love my job. But most people think it’s dry and boring. And I’m not allowed to discuss pieces of it anyway.

All of which is to say, many grownups don’t run around telling anyone who will listen what their exact credentials are.

[Anonymous]

Wow, two of my high school teachers with Ph.D.'s used the title "Dr." That would also be fine for any educationally relevant degree, such as D.Ed.

A rapper can call himself Dr. Dre or Grandmaster Flash, but not at a hospital or chess tournament. An "ABD" is an all-but-dissertation, i.e., dropout. It is not a degree, and clearly does not count. This would be annoying and pretentious at a post office job, but is clearly fraudulent in an educational setting. What if she asked to be called "Principal" or "Superintendant" or "Chancellor"?

You can make the argument for tolerance by calling people by the name and title they prefer. In that case, some of her students might wish to be called "Dr.".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

FCPSAlumnowMom wrote:I just realized what this thread reminds me of --

When someone in your office sends out a big group email and people start requesting to be taken off the list by hitting Reply All -- and then people start replying telling people to stop hitting Reply All.
And then more people Reply Alland more and more...

I've been called autistic, narcissistic and bat shit crazy on this thread. I've been told to just chill, back away, stop.

But y'all cannot help yourself to keep feeding into the crazy. It's like you want me on that wall, like you need me on that wall.

Welp, I think I better stop hitting Reply All.

It's been quite an education -- thanks All!

Just HAD to pop in for that last little scrap of sweet, sweet attention, didn’t you?

All of you snarky people need to focus on being helpful and stop ganging up on op. It’s ridiculous. Op asked a question because the teacher is potentially lacking integrity in her behavior and people target op. So nuts. The real focus should be on the teacher’s desire to falsify her credentials. It’s like this thread includes friends of the teacher. I read a lot of these threads and I’ve never seen harsher words against an op. Makes me think that the teachers’ friends are writing responses to defend deplorable behavior. It’s disgusting the lack integrity and ethics, and regardless if my kids are at this school today or not I’d want to be sure ANY unethical behavior is dealt with at ANY school. Every student deserves a teacher that leads by example in honesty — especially as we see honestly lacking in so many areas.

Hi, OP! You’re failing at masking your writing style. We see you!

Again I’m not op. People can disagree with your opinion! I see you as someone that can’t fathom someone else thinks differently than you!

Then what do you think about teachers saying it is very possible that Dr. X has a degree that qualifies her to be called Dr., and just didn’t pay to update the system?

I think that doesn’t make sense. Credentials matter and if you actually earned a doctorate, which requires significant effort and time you’d be so proud to make sure it was accurately reflected in all your credentials and professional associations. When I got my masters degree I immediately updated my profile and work info to note that significant accomplishment. I think there is high probability that the teacher is not being accurate and this discrepancy is concerning. Doesn’t pass sniff test to me.

I mean, good for you. But, there are a lot of people who don’t base their self worth on what some archaic state data base says. Most parents, students and teachers don’t search that data base and say: wow! She’s an EdD. Now I’m really impressed. Especially since most people in this area don’t think an EdD is a “real” doctorate.


I’m a lawyer. I was very impressed with myself when I passed the bar 20 years ago. But now it’s a means to an end— being allowed to do my job. My license has been sitting in the corner since I moved to full telework in 3/2020. Most people know I’m a Fed. Some know for what agency. I don’t think most know I’m an attorney. I love my job. But most people think it’s dry and boring. And I’m not allowed to discuss pieces of it anyway.

All of which is to say, many grownups don’t run around telling anyone who will listen what their exact credentials are.

Yes, I get that aspect. My diplomas are framed but now collecting dust. But if I required all my students to refer to my degree daily by using a title most other teachers and staff don’t require, then I’d expect consistency in the teacher having evidence of degree in a database and in professional communications. The inconsistency in insisting people call you by Dr., but then have no credentials listed anywhere is what doesn’t pass sniff test for me. If it’s so vital to be referenced by the title how come the proof of title has so many discrepancies in how it’s referenced or omitted in employment database? The incongruence is what’s a red flag to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, two of my high school teachers with Ph.D.'s used the title "Dr." That would also be fine for any educationally relevant degree, such as D.Ed.

A rapper can call himself Dr. Dre or Grandmaster Flash, but not at a hospital or chess tournament. An "ABD" is an all-but-dissertation, i.e., dropout. It is not a degree, and clearly does not count. This would be annoying and pretentious at a post office job, but is clearly fraudulent in an educational setting. What if she asked to be called "Principal" or "Superintendant" or "Chancellor"?

You can make the argument for tolerance by calling people by the name and title they prefer. In that case, some of her students might wish to be called "Dr.".

Right. But as the title says, “May”. OP has no actual evidence the teacher doesn’t have a degree that qualifies as Dr.

Heck, I have a HS friend who graduated from med school, got her dream guy (who clerked for Thomas way back when, BTW) and dropped our of er intern year. That “Dr.” teaches biology at a private high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

FCPSAlumnowMom wrote:I just realized what this thread reminds me of --

When someone in your office sends out a big group email and people start requesting to be taken off the list by hitting Reply All -- and then people start replying telling people to stop hitting Reply All.
And then more people Reply Alland more and more...

I've been called autistic, narcissistic and bat shit crazy on this thread. I've been told to just chill, back away, stop.

But y'all cannot help yourself to keep feeding into the crazy. It's like you want me on that wall, like you need me on that wall.

Welp, I think I better stop hitting Reply All.

It's been quite an education -- thanks All!

Just HAD to pop in for that last little scrap of sweet, sweet attention, didn’t you?

All of you snarky people need to focus on being helpful and stop ganging up on op. It’s ridiculous. Op asked a question because the teacher is potentially lacking integrity in her behavior and people target op. So nuts. The real focus should be on the teacher’s desire to falsify her credentials. It’s like this thread includes friends of the teacher. I read a lot of these threads and I’ve never seen harsher words against an op. Makes me think that the teachers’ friends are writing responses to defend deplorable behavior. It’s disgusting the lack integrity and ethics, and regardless if my kids are at this school today or not I’d want to be sure ANY unethical behavior is dealt with at ANY school. Every student deserves a teacher that leads by example in honesty — especially as we see honestly lacking in so many areas.

Hi, OP! You’re failing at masking your writing style. We see you!

Again I’m not op. People can disagree with your opinion! I see you as someone that can’t fathom someone else thinks differently than you!

Then what do you think about teachers saying it is very possible that Dr. X has a degree that qualifies her to be called Dr., and just didn’t pay to update the system?

I think that doesn’t make sense. Credentials matter and if you actually earned a doctorate, which requires significant effort and time you’d be so proud to make sure it was accurately reflected in all your credentials and professional associations. When I got my masters degree I immediately updated my profile and work info to note that significant accomplishment. I think there is high probability that the teacher is not being accurate and this discrepancy is concerning. Doesn’t pass sniff test to me.

I mean, good for you. But, there are a lot of people who don’t base their self worth on what some archaic state data base says. Most parents, students and teachers don’t search that data base and say: wow! She’s an EdD. Now I’m really impressed. Especially since most people in this area don’t think an EdD is a “real” doctorate.


I’m a lawyer. I was very impressed with myself when I passed the bar 20 years ago. But now it’s a means to an end— being allowed to do my job. My license has been sitting in the corner since I moved to full telework in 3/2020. Most people know I’m a Fed. Some know for what agency. I don’t think most know I’m an attorney. I love my job. But most people think it’s dry and boring. And I’m not allowed to discuss pieces of it anyway.

All of which is to say, many grownups don’t run around telling anyone who will listen what their exact credentials are.

Yes, I get that aspect. My diplomas are framed but now collecting dust. But if I required all my students to refer to my degree daily by using a title most other teachers and staff don’t require, then I’d expect consistency in the teacher having evidence of degree in a database and in professional communications. The inconsistency in insisting people call you by Dr., but then have no credentials listed anywhere is what doesn’t pass sniff test for me. If it’s so vital to be referenced by the title how come the proof of title has so many discrepancies in how it’s referenced or omitted in employment database? The incongruence is what’s a red flag to me.

OP: first: your login in mememememememe

Second— a “red flag” ISN’T PROOF. And if you are going after someone’s professional reputation (and you don’t want to be sued), you need proof. Not a “red flag”.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

FCPSAlumnowMom wrote:I just realized what this thread reminds me of --

When someone in your office sends out a big group email and people start requesting to be taken off the list by hitting Reply All -- and then people start replying telling people to stop hitting Reply All.
And then more people Reply Alland more and more...

I've been called autistic, narcissistic and bat shit crazy on this thread. I've been told to just chill, back away, stop.

But y'all cannot help yourself to keep feeding into the crazy. It's like you want me on that wall, like you need me on that wall.

Welp, I think I better stop hitting Reply All.

It's been quite an education -- thanks All!

Just HAD to pop in for that last little scrap of sweet, sweet attention, didn’t you?

All of you snarky people need to focus on being helpful and stop ganging up on op. It’s ridiculous. Op asked a question because the teacher is potentially lacking integrity in her behavior and people target op. So nuts. The real focus should be on the teacher’s desire to falsify her credentials. It’s like this thread includes friends of the teacher. I read a lot of these threads and I’ve never seen harsher words against an op. Makes me think that the teachers’ friends are writing responses to defend deplorable behavior. It’s disgusting the lack integrity and ethics, and regardless if my kids are at this school today or not I’d want to be sure ANY unethical behavior is dealt with at ANY school. Every student deserves a teacher that leads by example in honesty — especially as we see honestly lacking in so many areas.

Hi, OP! You’re failing at masking your writing style. We see you!

Again I’m not op. People can disagree with your opinion! I see you as someone that can’t fathom someone else thinks differently than you!

Then what do you think about teachers saying it is very possible that Dr. X has a degree that qualifies her to be called Dr., and just didn’t pay to update the system?

I think that doesn’t make sense. Credentials matter and if you actually earned a doctorate, which requires significant effort and time you’d be so proud to make sure it was accurately reflected in all your credentials and professional associations. When I got my masters degree I immediately updated my profile and work info to note that significant accomplishment. I think there is high probability that the teacher is not being accurate and this discrepancy is concerning. Doesn’t pass sniff test to me.

I mean, good for you. But, there are a lot of people who don’t base their self worth on what some archaic state data base says. Most parents, students and teachers don’t search that data base and say: wow! She’s an EdD. Now I’m really impressed. Especially since most people in this area don’t think an EdD is a “real” doctorate.


I’m a lawyer. I was very impressed with myself when I passed the bar 20 years ago. But now it’s a means to an end— being allowed to do my job. My license has been sitting in the corner since I moved to full telework in 3/2020. Most people know I’m a Fed. Some know for what agency. I don’t think most know I’m an attorney. I love my job. But most people think it’s dry and boring. And I’m not allowed to discuss pieces of it anyway.

All of which is to say, many grownups don’t run around telling anyone who will listen what their exact credentials are.

Yes, I get that aspect. My diplomas are framed but now collecting dust. But if I required all my students to refer to my degree daily by using a title most other teachers and staff don’t require, then I’d expect consistency in the teacher having evidence of degree in a database and in professional communications. The inconsistency in insisting people call you by Dr., but then have no credentials listed anywhere is what doesn’t pass sniff test for me. If it’s so vital to be referenced by the title how come the proof of title has so many discrepancies in how it’s referenced or omitted in employment database? The incongruence is what’s a red flag to me.

OP: first: your login in mememememememe

Second— a “red flag” ISN’T PROOF. And if you are going after someone’s professional reputation (and you don’t want to be sued), you need proof. Not a “red flag”.

Why are you obsessed with thinking I’m the op? I’m not. I’m a parent that find this discrepancy odd. It is odd. Otherwise there wouldn’t be over 4k views on this.

[Anonymous]

I have a masters but it’s not in the state database. My undergrad was enough for licensure and getting the transcripts again when I renewed my license was a pain. I sent them to HR immediately upon finishing for the salary change, but my license renewal wasn’t until 3 or 4 years later. Easier to just maintain status quo in the state database since adding the masters there was extra fees and paperwork with zero benefit to me.

I mean, who knows, maybe the teacher is full of it, but my guess would be a similar situation to my own.