Dr. X may not really have a doctorate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe she's been ABD somewhere for a long time and decided to just go for it and call herself Dr.

I know some people do that - but they're crappy lying people.
The 'D' is sort of the WHOLE point of a PhD. Otherwise it's just more classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe she has a doctorate from an unaccredited program. So she has “earned” a doctorate and uses the title — but from an unaccredited program that is not useful, relevant, or acceptable as a credential for licensing.

Why would anyone bother with an unaccredited doctorate when there are so many that are programs accredited enough for pay scale purposes with degree that are laughably easy to obtain?

[Anonymous]

FCPSAlumnowMom wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She didn’t lie to FCPS or VDOE based on your OP, so it’s not a licensing/credentials issue. Just write her an email and tell her to stop doing this if it’s so important to you. This isn’t something to report to anyone.

Yes - I think this makes sense. As the PP asked - what consequences do I want? Or the other PP who said what a fool I will feel when it turns out she does have a doctorate and just doesn't want to report it --

I think I would feel GREAT if it turns out VADOE was wrong. YAY - she can report it and get a pay raise!!
And if she really doesn't have it -- I think I would just like to see her be called Ms. or Mrs. X.

That's it -- order restored. No "alternative facts" -- no playing doctor.

So I sent her an email this morning -- and referenced that I did talk to both of her Assistant Principals last year about this.
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Hi -

Not sure if you are aware, but your PhD in Education studies does not appear on the Virginia Department of Education licensing website.

https://vadoe.mylicense.com/verification/Search.aspx?facility=N

It looks like you just renewed your license in June of this year (since it doesn't expire until 2032).

I apologize for never asking you directly where you received your doctorate -- I did ask XXXX and XXXX last December, but they couldn't tell me.

Anyway - since this database is accessible to the public -- thought you should know that your teaching license isn't reflecting your doctorate.
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PP who asked why I had not just asked her before - well, given all the stuff that went on her in classroom -- things she would tell me about my child (or was said about other kids) that could not be corroborated by other teachers etc -- I figured she wouldn't necessarily tell me anyway -- so I let it go from last December.
I didn't see this VADOC website database until someone on DC URBAN MOM posted about it this summer or so in reference to teachers being hired with provisional licensing etc. That's when I looked her up and found that she didn't have a PhD or EdD listed.

Bravo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe she's been ABD somewhere for a long time and decided to just go for it and call herself Dr.

I have a Ph.D. (would not call myself Dr., but that's a different issue). In academia, it wouldn't be acceptable to call oneself Dr. without completing the degree, but I feel like it's not uncommon for ABDs outside of academia to use Dr. I would say in her defense that using a title is not the same as lying about your credentials on your employment paperwork.

I have a PhD and I have never heard of ABDs inside or outside of academia using the Dr. title. In what fields is that common?

Is this "Dr. X" claiming they have a PhD or an EdD? The latter is not that impressive. Some of the least bright people I know have EdD's. They are just people who wanted the fast track to an admin role in the education field. I respect a good longtime teacher with a Bachelors a whole lot more than a know-nothing admin with an EdD.

The only time this was acceptable in my program was if the student had successfully defended and was making the changes they needed to make in order to complete their dissertation. Outside of that, you could use Professor if you were Teaching and hired as a visiting Professor, but not Dr.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe she has a doctorate from an unaccredited program. So she has “earned” a doctorate and uses the title — but from an unaccredited program that is not useful, relevant, or acceptable as a credential for licensing.

Why would anyone bother with an unaccredited doctorate when there are so many that are programs accredited enough for pay scale purposes with degree that are laughably easy to obtain?

Because accredited programs are more expensive and challenging then an unaccredited programs. And most people don't look at programs to see if they are accredited or not.

[Anonymous]

You sound crazy. You should just ask her "Oh Dr. X., that's so impressive, what is your degree in?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:didn't you post about this before?

Totally. I think op might be stalking this person

YES! Im absolutely “stalking” her — as in looking into her background to understand her education and experience by which she was teaching my kids.

For example- from her LinkedIn profile I realized she has way fewer years of experience teaching than I would’ve thought. And 1 year of her six or so was cut short with Covid and the next was completely virtual. So instead of having expectations of classroom management that I might have with a more experienced teacher, I knew I should perhaps cut some slack. She’s all about being at the fun teacher. Being one of the girls.

Or, like how on her public Facebook profile, she lists her FCPS job description as “Protector of little people in purgatory.”
That certainly can provide insight in terms of how she views herself, her students, and her employer.

[Anonymous]

FCPSAlumnowMom wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just looked up my friend and it says "Postgraduate Professional License" which doesn't really indicate whether it's a master's or doctorate.

Keep clicking...

Once you do the search and their name pops up, yes, it will say Postgraduate Professional License for many of the FCPS teachers --

click on their name -- this opens another window that shows their Education (what degrees they have), their Active License(s) and Expiration date, and Endorsements (PreK-6 vs special ed, reading, etc etc)

And to the PP who said maybe it's in something that doesn't pertain to teaching -- I know a HS teacher with a Juris Doctorate (law degree) it's listed and she is paid for that.

I do too. They teach Law In Action. But, a JD is 3 years of hard work past a BA. Much of it would transfer to a civic, governmentI! Etc job. At the least, it’s extra ground in English and writing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:didn't you post about this before?

Totally. I think op might be stalking this person

YES! Im absolutely “stalking” her — as in looking into her background to understand her education and experience by which she was teaching my kids.

For example- from her LinkedIn profile I realized she has way fewer years of experience teaching than I would’ve thought. And 1 year of her six or so was cut short with Covid and the next was completely virtual. So instead of having expectations of classroom management that I might have with a more experienced teacher, I knew I should perhaps cut some slack. She’s all about being at the fun teacher. Being one of the girls.

Or, like how on her public Facebook profile, she lists her FCPS job description as “Protector of little people in purgatory.”
That certainly can provide insight in terms of how she views herself, her students, and her employer.

I have not looked up any of my kids Teachers. I am aware that they are vetted when they are hired and trust that the County is hiring people with the correct degrees. I would probably ask a Teacher who has a Doctorate about their experience and dissertation because I enjoy learning about what people have done in graduate school and I love complaining about the awfulness that were comprehensive exams in graduate school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe she has a doctorate from an unaccredited program. So she has “earned” a doctorate and uses the title — but from an unaccredited program that is not useful, relevant, or acceptable as a credential for licensing.

Why would anyone bother with an unaccredited doctorate when there are so many that are programs accredited enough for pay scale purposes with degree that are laughably easy to obtain?

IDK. But, people apply to the online schools that will make financing ESY and work with scheduLe and present a track that seems doable. And end up with a worth degree (ahhmm Trump U). Some are so bad theY just had student loans forgiven for their “education”.

[Anonymous]

I've read a lot of insane stuff on the internet. But this really takes the cake. You will be legendary in the teacher workrooms of the county. And not in a good way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:didn't you post about this before?

Totally. I think op might be stalking this person

YES! Im absolutely “stalking” her — as in looking into her background to understand her education and experience by which she was teaching my kids.

For example- from her LinkedIn profile I realized she has way fewer years of experience teaching than I would’ve thought. And 1 year of her six or so was cut short with Covid and the next was completely virtual. So instead of having expectations of classroom management that I might have with a more experienced teacher, I knew I should perhaps cut some slack. She’s all about being at the fun teacher. Being one of the girls.

Or, like how on her public Facebook profile, she lists her FCPS job description as “Protector of little people in purgatory.”
That certainly can provide insight in terms of how she views herself, her students, and her employer.
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BuT she is not a teacher in your kids current school? Seek help. You sound like an insane stalker

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe she's been ABD somewhere for a long time and decided to just go for it and call herself Dr.

This would be fraudulent. Being ABD is not even close to earning the actual Ph.D. I say this as someone who is ABD myself.

I don't think it's fraudulent to call yourself Dr. and let people assume you have a doctorate. If you submit a false credential that would be fraud.

What? “Fraudulent” means “unjustifiably claiming or being credited with particular accomplishments or qualities.“. Claiming to have a Ph.D. when you do not have a Ph.D. is fraudulent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe she has a doctorate from an unaccredited program. So she has “earned” a doctorate and uses the title — but from an unaccredited program that is not useful, relevant, or acceptable as a credential for licensing.

Why would anyone bother with an unaccredited doctorate when there are so many that are programs accredited enough for pay scale purposes with degree that are laughably easy to obtain?

Money, convenience, appreciation of the curriculum or a particular professor, the expectation that the program will be accredited by the time they graduate, it was accredited when they started — so they decided to finish their degree, sheer love of education….…the list goes on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe she's been ABD somewhere for a long time and decided to just go for it and call herself Dr.

This would be fraudulent. Being ABD is not even close to earning the actual Ph.D. I say this as someone who is ABD myself.

I don't think it's fraudulent to call yourself Dr. and let people assume you have a doctorate. If you submit a false credential that would be fraud.

What? “Fraudulent” means “unjustifiably claiming or being credited with particular accomplishments or qualities.“. Claiming to have a Ph.D. when you do not have a Ph.D. is fraudulent.

By asking to be called Dr. And not Ms. by HS kids. (And not your HS kids and your school)? Because, to be clear, CA shows she is qualified to teach at the school.

I wish I had you lack of actual problems.