FCPS ES Principal Bails

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a job. People switch jobs all the time. If you spend any time on the Jobs and Careers board there are often posts about job hopping.

But to go from a school like Beech Tree with a really high minority and low income population to wealthy, white FCCPS is kind of a slap in the face to the Beech Tree community.

FCC schools are 63% white and Beech Tree Elementary is 53% white.

Oak Street ES: 6% students from low income families
Beech Tree ES: 60% students from low income families

Yeah, this principal is in for a rude awakening. She has yet to encounter the overwhelming entitlement of some parents. Dealing with the challenges of poverty is way easier and more satisfying than managing parents who demand a meeting every 10 minutes because their child’s teacher didn’t email them back within ab hour. I would not be surprised if she’s back in FCPS or retiring in a year or so.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So what, a school employee is only allowed to switch jobs from June 15-July 1, and the other 50 weeks of the year they just have to suck it up if a better opportunity comes along?

I’m sorry, that’s crap.

We’ll, at least let’s be equitable about it. If a teacher were to resign after the deadline (June 1-30, depending on the county), we’d have to resign with prejudice and other counties wouldn’t hire us.

That’s a scary story that you’ve been told to intimidate you. There is a national teacher shortage. FCPS doesn’t blackball anymore and other counties will hire you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what, a school employee is only allowed to switch jobs from June 15-July 1, and the other 50 weeks of the year they just have to suck it up if a better opportunity comes along?

I’m sorry, that’s crap.

We’ll, at least let’s be equitable about it. If a teacher were to resign after the deadline (June 1-30, depending on the county), we’d have to resign with prejudice and other counties wouldn’t hire us.

Agreed, teachers should be able to leave up until their contract starts with no penalty.

You have no idea what you’re talking about. That would result in utter chaos. Ask any principal how they could function and be prepared for school to open if there is a high probability of teachers leaving just over a week before student show up. There’s no way any school could be ready to go if there is an option for teachers to leave without any prejudice up until August 11. Look at the situation that is currently happening—several hundred classrooms are not staffed right now, and principals are scrambling. If you were to add to that by allowing teachers to transfer to another district or quit without any penalty, there would be no stability. Principals would be leaving in droves.

I’m wondering if PP is one of these frequent trolls here that is set on dismantling public education by pushing for more and more chaos.

Beech Tree will be fine. Assistant principals have been back at work for a month now. Schedules are done and plans are made. A principal who’s been there for 9 years has left solid structures and routines in place.

No, I am a teacher who loves and values public education but realizes that in many (most?) states teachers have the freedom to move around (even mid year!) without being blacklisted. I have siblings who are teachers in 2 other states and a mother who taught in a third, and all are horrified by how little control or rights I have if things change after June 15th.

VA is a right to work state, you can leave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what, a school employee is only allowed to switch jobs from June 15-July 1, and the other 50 weeks of the year they just have to suck it up if a better opportunity comes along?

I’m sorry, that’s crap.

We’ll, at least let’s be equitable about it. If a teacher were to resign after the deadline (June 1-30, depending on the county), we’d have to resign with prejudice and other counties wouldn’t hire us.

Agreed, teachers should be able to leave up until their contract starts with no penalty.

You have no idea what you’re talking about. That would result in utter chaos. Ask any principal how they could function and be prepared for school to open if there is a high probability of teachers leaving just over a week before student show up. There’s no way any school could be ready to go if there is an option for teachers to leave without any prejudice up until August 11. Look at the situation that is currently happening—several hundred classrooms are not staffed right now, and principals are scrambling. If you were to add to that by allowing teachers to transfer to another district or quit without any penalty, there would be no stability. Principals would be leaving in droves.

I’m wondering if PP is one of these frequent trolls here that is set on dismantling public education by pushing for more and more chaos.

Beech Tree will be fine. Assistant principals have been back at work for a month now. Schedules are done and plans are made. A principal who’s been there for 9 years has left solid structures and routines in place.

10 years ago, I left LCPS the last week in July and just moved right over to FCPS. No big reason, just felt like a change. No boogeyman showed up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what, a school employee is only allowed to switch jobs from June 15-July 1, and the other 50 weeks of the year they just have to suck it up if a better opportunity comes along?

I’m sorry, that’s crap.

We’ll, at least let’s be equitable about it. If a teacher were to resign after the deadline (June 1-30, depending on the county), we’d have to resign with prejudice and other counties wouldn’t hire us.

That’s a scary story that you’ve been told to intimidate you. There is a national teacher shortage. FCPS doesn’t blackball anymore and other counties will hire you.

I’m in FCPS. A co-worker of mine lives in Fauquier and they were willing to hire him as late as the last week of July. I bet they’d still make that offer today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a job. People switch jobs all the time. If you spend any time on the Jobs and Careers board there are often posts about job hopping.

Apparently people in education are not allowed to change jobs, have personal lives, take sick days....we treat teachers and admin like they owe everyone everything. News flash they don't! Their job is just like yours...a job.

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I don’t see it as “bailing”. The person left one job for another. Maybe it’s closer to home, or better fits the family’s schedule. Perhaps the benefits are better. Regardless of the reason, there’s really nothing to see here.

It would be nice if the rules that apply to teachers also applied to administrators. Teachers were locked into their contracts before anyone was over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a job. People switch jobs all the time. If you spend any time on the Jobs and Careers board there are often posts about job hopping.

Apparently people in education are not allowed to change jobs, have personal lives, take sick days....we treat teachers and admin like they owe everyone everything. News flash they don't! Their job is just like yours...a job.

+1
I don’t see it as “bailing”. The person left one job for another. Maybe it’s closer to home, or better fits the family’s schedule. Perhaps the benefits are better. Regardless of the reason, there’s really nothing to see here.

It would be nice if the rules that apply to teachers also applied to administrators. Teachers were locked into their contracts before *June* was over.

Before June was over*.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a job. People switch jobs all the time. If you spend any time on the Jobs and Careers board there are often posts about job hopping.

But to go from a school like Beech Tree with a really high minority and low income population to wealthy, white FCCPS is kind of a slap in the face to the Beech Tree community.

FCC schools are 63% white and Beech Tree Elementary is 53% white.

Oak Street ES: 6% students from low income families
Beech Tree ES: 60% students from low income families

Those stats show a vastly different community of students. I’m sure the principal will appreciate the challenges this population will provide, and the experience will benefit her as she progresses in her career.

[Anonymous]

How long was she there for ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How long was she there for ?

9 years

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a job. People switch jobs all the time. If you spend any time on the Jobs and Careers board there are often posts about job hopping.

But to go from a school like Beech Tree with a really high minority and low income population to wealthy, white FCCPS is kind of a slap in the face to the Beech Tree community.

FCC schools are 63% white and Beech Tree Elementary is 53% white.

Oak Street ES: 6% students from low income families
Beech Tree ES: 60% students from low income families

Yeah, this principal is in for a rude awakening. She has yet to encounter the overwhelming entitlement of some parents. Dealing with the challenges of poverty is way easier and more satisfying than managing parents who demand a meeting every 10 minutes because their child’s teacher didn’t email them back within ab hour. I would not be surprised if she’s back in FCPS or retiring in a year or so.

It’s really not a good look that you prefer poor families for not having the time and other resources to pay close attention to their child’s education. Especially, when we know how important parental involvement is to success.

That’s the mindset of the lazy or worse, the predatorial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a job. People switch jobs all the time. If you spend any time on the Jobs and Careers board there are often posts about job hopping.

But to go from a school like Beech Tree with a really high minority and low income population to wealthy, white FCCPS is kind of a slap in the face to the Beech Tree community.

FCC schools are 63% white and Beech Tree Elementary is 53% white.

Oak Street ES: 6% students from low income families
Beech Tree ES: 60% students from low income families

Yeah, this principal is in for a rude awakening. She has yet to encounter the overwhelming entitlement of some parents. Dealing with the challenges of poverty is way easier and more satisfying than managing parents who demand a meeting every 10 minutes because their child’s teacher didn’t email them back within ab hour. I would not be surprised if she’s back in FCPS or retiring in a year or so.

It’s really not a good look that you prefer poor families for not having the time and other resources to pay close attention to their child’s education. Especially, when we know how important parental involvement is to success.

That’s the mindset of the lazy or worse, the predatorial.

Try working on your reading comprehension.

[Anonymous]

What I've learned in my almost 20 years in the system... there are rules and policies in place.... but then there are the things that can get done when the right people want it to happen. Rules and policies are followed according to who is involved. Certain people of influence in certain circumstances get whatever the hell they want. It's the biggest problem in HR in my opinion, and I wish it would change toward more transparency

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a job. People switch jobs all the time. If you spend any time on the Jobs and Careers board there are often posts about job hopping.

But to go from a school like Beech Tree with a really high minority and low income population to wealthy, white FCCPS is kind of a slap in the face to the Beech Tree community.

FCC schools are 63% white and Beech Tree Elementary is 53% white.

PP should have said UMC/high-income minorities vs low income/underprivileged minorities

That may be true but to characterize FCC as "white" is incorrect even though some people on DCUM like to pretend like UMC minorities are basically white.

I am a UMC minority. FCC is pretty damn white, lady. You must not live here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a job. People switch jobs all the time. If you spend any time on the Jobs and Careers board there are often posts about job hopping.

But to go from a school like Beech Tree with a really high minority and low income population to wealthy, white FCCPS is kind of a slap in the face to the Beech Tree community.

FCC schools are 63% white and Beech Tree Elementary is 53% white.

PP should have said UMC/high-income minorities vs low income/underprivileged minorities

That may be true but to characterize FCC as "white" is incorrect even though some people on DCUM like to pretend like UMC minorities are basically white.

I am a UMC minority. FCC is pretty damn white, lady. You must not live here.

The schools are 63% white so that means they are also 37% non-white. You are correct I do not live there but I did live there for many years and I am very familiar with what's going on there. I moved there years ago after researching which schools I wanted my kids in and chose FCC despite the fact that it was actually way more white back then than it is now. I would have preferred more diversity then but best schools for my kids took precedence. Can I assume that's also why you live there? BTW I am not and never have been UMC but we made FCC work until our kids were out of school.