What’s the plan in MD if the tax base decides to leave?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not so much an MD-wide issue as a MoCo issue. MoCo has been a great place to live, but not to work, because they are so anti-business.

I think the winners will be MD counties near MoCo, like Frederick, Howard, Washington, Carroll, etc. If you live in Gaithersburg, it's not a stretch to move to Urbana or even Boonsboro and you can see a big improvement in quality of life. Those counties are more pro-business and harder on crime (judges tend not to release those arrested on own recognizance; the jails tend to honor immigration holds from INS).

There's a reason a lot of your Amazon, UPS, and FedEx packages pass through distribution centers in MD that are not in MoCo and there are no such centers in MoCo itself..

The reason is simple. Property values. It has nothing to do with anything else. Real estate is expensive in MoCo. Too expensive for a warehouse distribution center.

+1 OMG.. the ^PP is an idiot. Don't ever go into business.

FYI big warehouses need space and are usually in LCOL areas. Same for data centers. They require a lot of land, but not a large educated populace.

Besides this good point, are Amazon warehouses really the type of business you WANT moving to your area?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not so much an MD-wide issue as a MoCo issue. MoCo has been a great place to live, but not to work, because they are so anti-business.

I think the winners will be MD counties near MoCo, like Frederick, Howard, Washington, Carroll, etc. If you live in Gaithersburg, it's not a stretch to move to Urbana or even Boonsboro and you can see a big improvement in quality of life. Those counties are more pro-business and harder on crime (judges tend not to release those arrested on own recognizance; the jails tend to honor immigration holds from INS).

There's a reason a lot of your Amazon, UPS, and FedEx packages pass through distribution centers in MD that are not in MoCo and there are no such centers in MoCo itself..

The reason is simple. Property values. It has nothing to do with anything else. Real estate is expensive in MoCo. Too expensive for a warehouse distribution center.

+1 OMG.. the ^PP is an idiot. Don't ever go into business.

FYI big warehouses need space and are usually in LCOL areas. Same for data centers. They require a lot of land, but not a large educated populace.

Besides this good point, are Amazon warehouses really the type of business you WANT moving to your area?

If it was UPS, maybe. I hear they can pay well. Amazon? No. I hear their warehouse workers aren't treated that well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not so much an MD-wide issue as a MoCo issue. MoCo has been a great place to live, but not to work, because they are so anti-business.

I think the winners will be MD counties near MoCo, like Frederick, Howard, Washington, Carroll, etc. If you live in Gaithersburg, it's not a stretch to move to Urbana or even Boonsboro and you can see a big improvement in quality of life. Those counties are more pro-business and harder on crime (judges tend not to release those arrested on own recognizance; the jails tend to honor immigration holds from INS).

There's a reason a lot of your Amazon, UPS, and FedEx packages pass through distribution centers in MD that are not in MoCo and there are no such centers in MoCo itself..

The reason is simple. Property values. It has nothing to do with anything else. Real estate is expensive in MoCo. Too expensive for a warehouse distribution center.

So it's cheaper to have entire fleets of trucks drive every day 50+ miles to MoCo from other parts of MD, and back again, just to benefit from lower property values?

The county and the Planning Department are against any industrial or light industrial land uses. All they care about are housing and retail.

By "the county" I hope you mean the residents because they are the ones who refuse to have anything like this near their houses. Do you know how long they've been trying to find a place for a school bus depot? Nobody wants it near them and they raise holy hell if it's proposed. This is not about the Planning Department specifically. The thing about Montgomery County is it is pretty built up and the parts that aren't are protected lands.

The point about the bus depot actually proves the point about the distaste for industrial zones. The problem is that because the county gave away the bus depot before figuring out a new location. It decided that it did not like having an industrial zone near shady grove but did not plan for the location of a different industrial zone anywhere else. All the remaining land uses are either too expensive to convert to industrial use (residential/commercial) or they have decided that it’s off limits (agriculture). It was a problem of their own making and is directly related to the bourgeois distaste for industrial and semi-industrial activity in the county.

[Anonymous]

Look to Baltimore... over the last 50 years much of the business base has departed.

[Anonymous]

We will be moving to VA OP. Much better jobs and higher paying. MoCo is dying. It is filled entirely with govt workers, non-profit workers, and 'community activists'....basically people with no real jobs. Their only solutions for everything are always higher taxes, more govt, and more spending.

Bailing before MoCo turns into Baltimore.

[Anonymous]

The “tax base” presently and only consists of residential property taxes paid by individual households (not commercial or multi-family thanks to massive subsidies). So long as the residential real estate market doesn’t crash, the budget should hold up but the county won’t grow. Current obligations can be paid but future cannot. It will result in attrition. Starting with cuts to general services because it’s easier to take a few million off the top of the CIP than to cut specific “pet projects”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The “tax base” presently and only consists of residential property taxes paid by individual households (not commercial or multi-family thanks to massive subsidies). So long as the residential real estate market doesn’t crash, the budget should hold up but the county won’t grow. Current obligations can be paid but future cannot. It will result in attrition. Starting with cuts to general services because it’s easier to take a few million off the top of the CIP than to cut specific “pet projects”.

No, the tax base includes income taxes. And, as CA and NYC can tell you, income taxes are generated in substantial part by the wealthiest. For example, at the Federal level, the top 1% pay over 35% of the Federal income taxes, while the top 10% pay roughly 70%. MC is driving out these folks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The “tax base” presently and only consists of residential property taxes paid by individual households (not commercial or multi-family thanks to massive subsidies). So long as the residential real estate market doesn’t crash, the budget should hold up but the county won’t grow. Current obligations can be paid but future cannot. It will result in attrition. Starting with cuts to general services because it’s easier to take a few million off the top of the CIP than to cut specific “pet projects”.

No, the tax base includes income taxes. And, as CA and NYC can tell you, income taxes are generated in substantial part by the wealthiest. For example, at the Federal level, the top 1% pay over 35% of the Federal income taxes, while the top 10% pay roughly 70%. MC is driving out these folks.

I don't know about NY, but those who are "fleeing" CA are MC, and some UMC.. the people who are being priced out. Yes, some very wealthy have left, but by and large, those who are "fleeing" are UMC/MC because they are being priced out of the real estate markets.

https://www.kcra.com/article/california-leaving-whos-moving-in/36358172#

Some of the key takeaways:

The people moving to California have higher incomes than those moving away.
California has been losing lower and middle-income residents to other states.
In the past five years, the flow of middle-income residents out of the state has accelerated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look to Baltimore... over the last 50 years much of the business base has departed.

same can be said of many red areas, like in WV.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia isn’t very far away with New Democratic governor in control and Moco going even further to the left

who is the new Dem Gov you speak of?

Youngkin.

He’s basically a 1980’s Democrat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We will be moving to VA OP. Much better jobs and higher paying. MoCo is dying. It is filled entirely with govt workers, non-profit workers, and 'community activists'....basically people with no real jobs. Their only solutions for everything are always higher taxes, more govt, and more spending.

Bailing before MoCo turns into Baltimore.

Those are all real jobs. Baltimore is an industrial city. You understand nothing, PP. But please move because your neighbors are being paid real money to do jobs you do not consider "real." Ha ha ha.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The “tax base” presently and only consists of residential property taxes paid by individual households (not commercial or multi-family thanks to massive subsidies). So long as the residential real estate market doesn’t crash, the budget should hold up but the county won’t grow. Current obligations can be paid but future cannot. It will result in attrition. Starting with cuts to general services because it’s easier to take a few million off the top of the CIP than to cut specific “pet projects”.

No, the tax base includes income taxes. And, as CA and NYC can tell you, income taxes are generated in substantial part by the wealthiest. For example, at the Federal level, the top 1% pay over 35% of the Federal income taxes, while the top 10% pay roughly 70%. MC is driving out these folks.

You don’t really understand how budgeting works in MD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We will be moving to VA OP. Much better jobs and higher paying. MoCo is dying. It is filled entirely with govt workers, non-profit workers, and 'community activists'....basically people with no real jobs. Their only solutions for everything are always higher taxes, more govt, and more spending.

Bailing before MoCo turns into Baltimore.

Oh, my. Please don’t come to NOVA. Keep your stupidity on the other side of the Potomac.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one's moving to sh*thole virginia.

They prefer Baltimore, PG County, and Western Maryland

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one's moving to sh*thole virginia.

They prefer Baltimore, PG County, and Western Maryland

Not to mention the many waterfront areas in AA county and Southern Maryland. Not far and a lot of bang for your buck.