Virginia or Villanova?

[Anonymous]

I’m also from NY and spent a lot of time in Boston for school and work. I was also unfamiliar with UVA before moving down here a decade ago. I have mentioned that a few times on DCUM over the years and people get very defensive.

My son will be entering high school next year.

UVA is a better school and harder to get into. You need like a 1540 SAT and 4.4 GPA and graduate top 5-10% of your class if you are from VA.

I would add all the b schools in Boston for business - BU, BC, Brandeis, Babson, Bentley and also Northeastern. I have one kid who is a gunner and wants to go to Wharton or Sloan (obvious reaches). I will encourage him to apply to the other B schools. I would have considered them safeties 20-30 years ago but not anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:OOS admissions to UVA are much, much tougher than Villanova. I have a good friend who has two sons going to school at Villanova. Both went after being rejected from UVA in state from a top NOVA publc high school. OP.

Anecdotal reports mean nothing I have a friend who’s daughter was rejected by Holy Cross but was accepted by Yale. Obviously that tells us nothing about the relative merits of Yale vs Holy Cross. And your friends’s sons experiences with UVA vs Nova also tell us nothing about those 2 schools.

No, but the common data set for both schools does. Sure, there will be outliers. But to disagree with the proposition that, on average, UVA is more selective than Villanova is to deny reality.

Yes, but UVA hasn’t posted it’s common data set for the class just admitted. I posted Villanova’s numbers and there have been dramatic changes. Until UVA posts their numbers, we won’t know how the 2 compare currently. Until then, all we can say is that the incoming freshman class compares very favorably with last year’s incoming class at UVA and that UVA’s admissions profile has remained pretty steady in recent years.

So no, not denying reality. Just recognizing a new reality which you’re ignoring.

LOL if you think UVA's numbers have "held steady" in recent years. Here's the actual data that proves you wrong. Does the mean SAT score increasing from 1369 to 1451 in the last five years sound "pretty steady" to you?

https://ira.virginia.edu/university-stats-facts/undergraduate-admissions

Is UVA test optional? (I have no idea - it's not on my son's radar.) If so, of course test scores are trending upward: only applicants with strong scores are submitting them.

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Anonymous wrote:OOS admissions to UVA are much, much tougher than Villanova. I have a good friend who has two sons going to school at Villanova. Both went after being rejected from UVA in state from a top NOVA publc high school. OP.

Anecdotal reports mean nothing I have a friend who’s daughter was rejected by Holy Cross but was accepted by Yale. Obviously that tells us nothing about the relative merits of Yale vs Holy Cross. And your friends’s sons experiences with UVA vs Nova also tell us nothing about those 2 schools.

No, but the common data set for both schools does. Sure, there will be outliers. But to disagree with the proposition that, on average, UVA is more selective than Villanova is to deny reality.

Yes, but UVA hasn’t posted it’s common data set for the class just admitted. I posted Villanova’s numbers and there have been dramatic changes. Until UVA posts their numbers, we won’t know how the 2 compare currently. Until then, all we can say is that the incoming freshman class compares very favorably with last year’s incoming class at UVA and that UVA’s admissions profile has remained pretty steady in recent years.

So no, not denying reality. Just recognizing a new reality which you’re ignoring.

LOL if you think UVA's numbers have "held steady" in recent years. Here's the actual data that proves you wrong. Does the mean SAT score increasing from 1369 to 1451 in the last five years sound "pretty steady" to you?

https://ira.virginia.edu/university-stats-facts/undergraduate-admissions

That doesn't tell much of anything other than more people apply today than 20-30 years ago.

Are you obtuse? I'm responding specifically to an erroneous post claiming that the test scores of entering first years at UVA have been "pretty steady" in recent years. So, yes, this does tell much of one thing: that poster is wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm laughing at OP.

First, I love the subtle dig at UVA. Yea, right, it and Villanova carry the same weight reputation wise in NYC and Boston. Clearly false.

Second, OOS admissions to UVA are much, much tougher than Villanova. I have a good friend who has two sons going to school at Villanova. Both went after being rejected from UVA in state from a top NOVA publc high school.

Yes, but that has changed. Villanova’s stock has been steadily on the rise in recent years. Record number of applications this year and 23% acceptance rate. UVA has consistently been in the 15-17% acceptance range for OOS - 15% this year. UVA is tougher but not by much.

One of the boys is a freshmen. You have to take acceptance rates in context. At UVA the middle 50 percent of enrolled applicants last year had a 1400 to 1510 on the SAT, a 32 to 35 on the ACT, and 90 percent of students reporting ranking were in the top 10 percent of their high school class.

These numbers are for all students. For OOS they'd be higher.

For Villanova, here are the numbers:SAT 1320 to 1460, ACT 30 to 33, top ten percent 72 percent.

Clearly there's a marked difference between OOS UVA and Villanova. The typical Villanova admit is probably on par with a skin-of-the-teeth UVA in state admit.

The problem with your numbers is that you’re looking in the rear view mirror. The current numbers for the class just accepted at Villanova are 1430-1520 for middle 50% on SAT and 32-35 on ACT with 84% in the top 10% of their high school class. Those numbers are very comparable to the numbers you posted for UVA, which hasn’t posted it’s numbers yet for this year’s freshman class.

What the numbers were last year for Villanova are irrelevant for a kid who will be applying next year at a school like Villanova where applications and selectivity have both been rising steadily for the past 5 years. As that trend continues, Villanova is likely to b even more selective when this student will be applying. Villanova is fast moving into the selectivity range of other top Catholics like Georgetown and Boston College.

To project fir a high school junior, he has to be looking ahead, not at what’s in the rear view mirror behind him.

No, you're mixing apples and oranges. You're referring to the stats of accepted students, whereas I was referring to enrolled students. The "accepted" numbers are going to be higher than enrolled because obviously the students at the upper end of the accepted range will get into other top schools and have more options.

So, sorry, but no.

Nope. Referring to enrolled students.

No, you are not. You got your numbers from here, where it's made clear that they are preliminary numbers for admitted students. Your information is as of March 22, 2022, when admissions decisions were issued.

Try again.

https://www1.villanova.edu/university/undergraduate-admission/applying-to-villanova/admission-profile.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Other than both beginning with a B and sometimes have good basketball teams, I'm not sure how much they have in common. But definitely my son's top two choices right going into hs senior year. I personally lean towards Villanova, as I spent most of my career until recently in Boston and NY (UVA was invisible there; I just assumed it was a southerners school until moving to DC two years ago). But UVA seems like a better choice if he and we stay local in DMV. In DC, so will be oos, so not much difference in cost. Naviance looks pretty good for both. Very outgoing child, on debate team, likely some kind of major that leads to teaching or law, likely will be captain of a team for upcoming year.
Any advice?

Chocolate or vanilla?

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Anonymous wrote:OOS admissions to UVA are much, much tougher than Villanova. I have a good friend who has two sons going to school at Villanova. Both went after being rejected from UVA in state from a top NOVA publc high school. OP.

Anecdotal reports mean nothing I have a friend who’s daughter was rejected by Holy Cross but was accepted by Yale. Obviously that tells us nothing about the relative merits of Yale vs Holy Cross. And your friends’s sons experiences with UVA vs Nova also tell us nothing about those 2 schools.

No, but the common data set for both schools does. Sure, there will be outliers. But to disagree with the proposition that, on average, UVA is more selective than Villanova is to deny reality.

Yes, but UVA hasn’t posted it’s common data set for the class just admitted. I posted Villanova’s numbers and there have been dramatic changes. Until UVA posts their numbers, we won’t know how the 2 compare currently. Until then, all we can say is that the incoming freshman class compares very favorably with last year’s incoming class at UVA and that UVA’s admissions profile has remained pretty steady in recent years.

So no, not denying reality. Just recognizing a new reality which you’re ignoring.

LOL if you think UVA's numbers have "held steady" in recent years. Here's the actual data that proves you wrong. Does the mean SAT score increasing from 1369 to 1451 in the last five years sound "pretty steady" to you?

https://ira.virginia.edu/university-stats-facts/undergraduate-admissions

Is UVA test optional? (I have no idea - it's not on my son's radar.) If so, of course test scores are trending upward: only applicants with strong scores are submitting them.

Virtually all schools are test optional. Including Villanova.

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Anonymous wrote:Other than both beginning with a B and sometimes have good basketball teams, I'm not sure how much they have in common. But definitely my son's top two choices right going into hs senior year. I personally lean towards Villanova, as I spent most of my career until recently in Boston and NY (UVA was invisible there; I just assumed it was a southerners school until moving to DC two years ago). But UVA seems like a better choice if he and we stay local in DMV. In DC, so will be oos, so not much difference in cost. Naviance looks pretty good for both. Very outgoing child, on debate team, likely some kind of major that leads to teaching or law, likely will be captain of a team for upcoming year.
Any advice?

Chocolate or vanilla?

In this case it's vanilla or vanilla.

[Anonymous]

If you lived in Boston/NYC/DC then you probably didn't tell girls "Would you date a black guy?" or "Stop! You should have your brother or dad plug it in!" in front of him. Have him be the shining star at Villanova. The "culture" of Charlottesville is extremely strong with deep social consequences. Even mention of Alderman housing on this very board got someone suspecting racism it is so prevalent. No Richard Spencers or Jason Kesslers from Villanova.

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Wut

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Anonymous wrote:If you lived in Boston/NYC/DC then you probably didn't tell girls "Would you date a black guy?" or "Stop! You should have your brother or dad plug it in!" in front of him. Have him be the shining star at Villanova. The "culture" of Charlottesville is extremely strong with deep social consequences. Even mention of Alderman housing on this very board got someone suspecting racism it is so prevalent. No Richard Spencers or Jason Kesslers from Villanova.

I don’t understand what you are talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:If you lived in Boston/NYC/DC then you probably didn't tell girls "Would you date a black guy?" or "Stop! You should have your brother or dad plug it in!" in front of him. Have him be the shining star at Villanova. The "culture" of Charlottesville is extremely strong with deep social consequences. Even mention of Alderman housing on this very board got someone suspecting racism it is so prevalent. No Richard Spencers or Jason Kesslers from Villanova.

You don't know Villanova as well as you think. It's a fine school academically, no doubt about it, but it's super wealthy and super white and far less diverse and intellectual than UVA. It has long had a reputation as the school of choice for wealthy, insulated Catholics in the greater Philadelphia area who are quite quick to point their noses up at anyone else.

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UVA>Villanova, nuff said

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Anonymous wrote:If you lived in Boston/NYC/DC then you probably didn't tell girls "Would you date a black guy?" or "Stop! You should have your brother or dad plug it in!" in front of him. Have him be the shining star at Villanova. The "culture" of Charlottesville is extremely strong with deep social consequences. Even mention of Alderman housing on this very board got someone suspecting racism it is so prevalent. No Richard Spencers or Jason Kesslers from Villanova.

You don't know Villanova as well as you think. It's a fine school academically, no doubt about it, but it's super wealthy and super white and far less diverse and intellectual than UVA. It has long had a reputation as the school of choice for wealthy, insulated Catholics in the greater Philadelphia area who are quite quick to point their noses up at anyone else.

80% of the students are from Northern VA for UVA
Diverse? LOL

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Share your source for 80% nova

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Anonymous wrote:If you lived in Boston/NYC/DC then you probably didn't tell girls "Would you date a black guy?" or "Stop! You should have your brother or dad plug it in!" in front of him. Have him be the shining star at Villanova. The "culture" of Charlottesville is extremely strong with deep social consequences. Even mention of Alderman housing on this very board got someone suspecting racism it is so prevalent. No Richard Spencers or Jason Kesslers from Villanova.

You don't know Villanova as well as you think. It's a fine school academically, no doubt about it, but it's super wealthy and super white and far less diverse and intellectual than UVA. It has long had a reputation as the school of choice for wealthy, insulated Catholics in the greater Philadelphia area who are quite quick to point their noses up at anyone else.

80% of the students are from Northern VA for UVA
Diverse? LOL

Why not google first before spouting off nonsense? UVA is 1/3 NOVA, 1/3 the rest of VA, and 1/3 out of state. 80 percent of Villanova undergrads are from the greater Philadelphia/Tri-State area, which geographically and demographically is no larger of an area.