Virginia or Villanova?

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Anonymous wrote:OOS admissions to UVA are much, much tougher than Villanova. I have a good friend who has two sons going to school at Villanova. Both went after being rejected from UVA in state from a top NOVA publc high school. OP.

Anecdotal reports mean nothing I have a friend who’s daughter was rejected by Holy Cross but was accepted by Yale. Obviously that tells us nothing about the relative merits of Yale vs Holy Cross. And your friends’s sons experiences with UVA vs Nova also tell us nothing about those 2 schools.

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Anonymous wrote:What about Vassar or Vanderbilt?

Vermont? Valparaiso?

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Anonymous wrote:If you live in VA- why would you pay to go private to Villanova OP? UVA is much better (and I am no booster).

First of all, the OP already told us that he is out of state.

Second, please support your claim that UVA is “better”. In what way is it better?

Third, you pay private college tuition at Villanova for the same reason that you pay private tuition - very few if any large lecture halls, more individual attention, more personalized service.

We ‘ve already had one poster say that Villanova is direct admit to Business while UVA is not. Nothing worse than going to a college because you want to major in business, or engineering, or nursing, etc and then finding out after you get there that the door is closed to you. Or if you change your mind about your major and then find out that you can’t transfer once you’re already there. That’s the difference in personalized service between a private university like Villanova and UVA or almost any other State U.

With regard to individual attention and large lecture halls, the numbers tell the tale.student: teacher ratio at Villanova is 11:1 while at UVA IT’s 15:1. WRT large lecture halls, only 3% of Villanova’s classes are bigger than 50 students, so you might go 4 years and never be in one of those. But at UVA 16% of the classes have over 50 students, so somewhere along the way you’ll be spending time in some of those.

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Anonymous wrote:OOS admissions to UVA are much, much tougher than Villanova. I have a good friend who has two sons going to school at Villanova. Both went after being rejected from UVA in state from a top NOVA publc high school. OP.

Anecdotal reports mean nothing I have a friend who’s daughter was rejected by Holy Cross but was accepted by Yale. Obviously that tells us nothing about the relative merits of Yale vs Holy Cross. And your friends’s sons experiences with UVA vs Nova also tell us nothing about those 2 schools.

No, but the common data set for both schools does. Sure, there will be outliers. But to disagree with the proposition that, on average, UVA is more selective than Villanova is to deny reality.

[Anonymous]

UVA is ranked 25 on USNWR + Villanova 49. UVA is heads above Villanowhere.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm laughing at OP.

First, I love the subtle dig at UVA. Yea, right, it and Villanova carry the same weight reputation wise in NYC and Boston. Clearly false.

Second, OOS admissions to UVA are much, much tougher than Villanova. I have a good friend who has two sons going to school at Villanova. Both went after being rejected from UVA in state from a top NOVA publc high school.

Yes, but that has changed. Villanova’s stock has been steadily on the rise in recent years. Record number of applications this year and 23% acceptance rate. UVA has consistently been in the 15-17% acceptance range for OOS - 15% this year. UVA is tougher but not by much.

One of the boys is a freshmen. You have to take acceptance rates in context. At UVA the middle 50 percent of enrolled applicants last year had a 1400 to 1510 on the SAT, a 32 to 35 on the ACT, and 90 percent of students reporting ranking were in the top 10 percent of their high school class.

These numbers are for all students. For OOS they'd be higher.

For Villanova, here are the numbers:SAT 1320 to 1460, ACT 30 to 33, top ten percent 72 percent.

Clearly there's a marked difference between OOS UVA and Villanova. The typical Villanova admit is probably on par with a skin-of-the-teeth UVA in state admit.

The problem with your numbers is that you’re looking in the rear view mirror. The current numbers for the class just accepted at Villanova are 1430-1520 for middle 50% on SAT and 32-35 on ACT with 84% in the top 10% of their high school class. Those numbers are very comparable to the numbers you posted for UVA, which hasn’t posted it’s numbers yet for this year’s freshman class.

What the numbers were last year for Villanova are irrelevant for a kid who will be applying next year at a school like Villanova where applications and selectivity have both been rising steadily for the past 5 years. As that trend continues, Villanova is likely to b even more selective when this student will be applying. Villanova is fast moving into the selectivity range of other top Catholics like Georgetown and Boston College.

To project fir a high school junior, he has to be looking ahead, not at what’s in the rear view mirror behind him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UVA is ranked 25 on USNWR + Villanova 49. UVA is heads above Villanowhere.

USNWR rankings mean. As PT Barnum famously said, “There’s a sucker born every minute.” If you put any stock in USNWR rankings, PT Barnum would have loved you.

Frankly these are 2 different schools with different missions who go about their business in different ways. A kid should choose the school where he can best achieve his potential. They’re both terrific. Better fit is what should matter.

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Anonymous wrote:OOS admissions to UVA are much, much tougher than Villanova. I have a good friend who has two sons going to school at Villanova. Both went after being rejected from UVA in state from a top NOVA publc high school. OP.

Anecdotal reports mean nothing I have a friend who’s daughter was rejected by Holy Cross but was accepted by Yale. Obviously that tells us nothing about the relative merits of Yale vs Holy Cross. And your friends’s sons experiences with UVA vs Nova also tell us nothing about those 2 schools.

No, but the common data set for both schools does. Sure, there will be outliers. But to disagree with the proposition that, on average, UVA is more selective than Villanova is to deny reality.

Yes, but UVA hasn’t posted it’s common data set for the class just admitted. I posted Villanova’s numbers and there have been dramatic changes. Until UVA posts their numbers, we won’t know how the 2 compare currently. Until then, all we can say is that the incoming freshman class compares very favorably with last year’s incoming class at UVA and that UVA’s admissions profile has remained pretty steady in recent years.

So no, not denying reality. Just recognizing a new reality which you’re ignoring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The only people who would prefer Villanova are conservative Catholics who do not get n anywhere better.

Let’s stick with the facts. Villanova’s yield rate last year was 30%, which was the same neighborhood as Emory, Wesleyan, and BU. Classic safety schools, right? In this age d 10-15 applications, that’s a good yield. Heck UVA was only 39% last year despite having the advantage of enticing kids with instate tuition.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA is ranked 25 on USNWR + Villanova 49. UVA is heads above Villanowhere.

USNWR rankings mean. As PT Barnum famously said, “There’s a sucker born every minute.” If you put any stock in USNWR rankings, PT Barnum would have loved you.

Frankly these are 2 different schools with different missions who go about their business in different ways. A kid should choose the school where he can best achieve his potential. They’re both terrific. Better fit is what should matter.

You must not have a job. Many employers only recruit at top 20 schools based on USNWR. Maybe you should get a job and join the circus hon.

[Anonymous]

Erm, no. According to most recent SCHEV stats:

56% instate yield, 17% OOS

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Anonymous wrote:I'm laughing at OP.

First, I love the subtle dig at UVA. Yea, right, it and Villanova carry the same weight reputation wise in NYC and Boston. Clearly false.

Second, OOS admissions to UVA are much, much tougher than Villanova. I have a good friend who has two sons going to school at Villanova. Both went after being rejected from UVA in state from a top NOVA publc high school.

Yes, but that has changed. Villanova’s stock has been steadily on the rise in recent years. Record number of applications this year and 23% acceptance rate. UVA has consistently been in the 15-17% acceptance range for OOS - 15% this year. UVA is tougher but not by much.

One of the boys is a freshmen. You have to take acceptance rates in context. At UVA the middle 50 percent of enrolled applicants last year had a 1400 to 1510 on the SAT, a 32 to 35 on the ACT, and 90 percent of students reporting ranking were in the top 10 percent of their high school class.

These numbers are for all students. For OOS they'd be higher.

For Villanova, here are the numbers:SAT 1320 to 1460, ACT 30 to 33, top ten percent 72 percent.

Clearly there's a marked difference between OOS UVA and Villanova. The typical Villanova admit is probably on par with a skin-of-the-teeth UVA in state admit.

The problem with your numbers is that you’re looking in the rear view mirror. The current numbers for the class just accepted at Villanova are 1430-1520 for middle 50% on SAT and 32-35 on ACT with 84% in the top 10% of their high school class. Those numbers are very comparable to the numbers you posted for UVA, which hasn’t posted it’s numbers yet for this year’s freshman class.

What the numbers were last year for Villanova are irrelevant for a kid who will be applying next year at a school like Villanova where applications and selectivity have both been rising steadily for the past 5 years. As that trend continues, Villanova is likely to b even more selective when this student will be applying. Villanova is fast moving into the selectivity range of other top Catholics like Georgetown and Boston College.

To project fir a high school junior, he has to be looking ahead, not at what’s in the rear view mirror behind him.

No, you're mixing apples and oranges. You're referring to the stats of accepted students, whereas I was referring to enrolled students. The "accepted" numbers are going to be higher than enrolled because obviously the students at the upper end of the accepted range will get into other top schools and have more options.

So, sorry, but no.

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Anonymous wrote:OOS admissions to UVA are much, much tougher than Villanova. I have a good friend who has two sons going to school at Villanova. Both went after being rejected from UVA in state from a top NOVA publc high school. OP.

Anecdotal reports mean nothing I have a friend who’s daughter was rejected by Holy Cross but was accepted by Yale. Obviously that tells us nothing about the relative merits of Yale vs Holy Cross. And your friends’s sons experiences with UVA vs Nova also tell us nothing about those 2 schools.

No, but the common data set for both schools does. Sure, there will be outliers. But to disagree with the proposition that, on average, UVA is more selective than Villanova is to deny reality.

Yes, but UVA hasn’t posted it’s common data set for the class just admitted. I posted Villanova’s numbers and there have been dramatic changes. Until UVA posts their numbers, we won’t know how the 2 compare currently. Until then, all we can say is that the incoming freshman class compares very favorably with last year’s incoming class at UVA and that UVA’s admissions profile has remained pretty steady in recent years.

So no, not denying reality. Just recognizing a new reality which you’re ignoring.

LOL if you think UVA's numbers have "held steady" in recent years. Here's the actual data that proves you wrong. Does the mean SAT score increasing from 1369 to 1451 in the last five years sound "pretty steady" to you?

https://ira.virginia.edu/university-stats-facts/undergraduate-admissions

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Anonymous wrote:OOS admissions to UVA are much, much tougher than Villanova. I have a good friend who has two sons going to school at Villanova. Both went after being rejected from UVA in state from a top NOVA publc high school. OP.

Anecdotal reports mean nothing I have a friend who’s daughter was rejected by Holy Cross but was accepted by Yale. Obviously that tells us nothing about the relative merits of Yale vs Holy Cross. And your friends’s sons experiences with UVA vs Nova also tell us nothing about those 2 schools.

No, but the common data set for both schools does. Sure, there will be outliers. But to disagree with the proposition that, on average, UVA is more selective than Villanova is to deny reality.

Yes, but UVA hasn’t posted it’s common data set for the class just admitted. I posted Villanova’s numbers and there have been dramatic changes. Until UVA posts their numbers, we won’t know how the 2 compare currently. Until then, all we can say is that the incoming freshman class compares very favorably with last year’s incoming class at UVA and that UVA’s admissions profile has remained pretty steady in recent years.

So no, not denying reality. Just recognizing a new reality which you’re ignoring.

LOL if you think UVA's numbers have "held steady" in recent years. Here's the actual data that proves you wrong. Does the mean SAT score increasing from 1369 to 1451 in the last five years sound "pretty steady" to you?

https://ira.virginia.edu/university-stats-facts/undergraduate-admissions

That doesn't tell much of anything other than more people apply today than 20-30 years ago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm laughing at OP.

First, I love the subtle dig at UVA. Yea, right, it and Villanova carry the same weight reputation wise in NYC and Boston. Clearly false.

Second, OOS admissions to UVA are much, much tougher than Villanova. I have a good friend who has two sons going to school at Villanova. Both went after being rejected from UVA in state from a top NOVA publc high school.

Yes, but that has changed. Villanova’s stock has been steadily on the rise in recent years. Record number of applications this year and 23% acceptance rate. UVA has consistently been in the 15-17% acceptance range for OOS - 15% this year. UVA is tougher but not by much.

One of the boys is a freshmen. You have to take acceptance rates in context. At UVA the middle 50 percent of enrolled applicants last year had a 1400 to 1510 on the SAT, a 32 to 35 on the ACT, and 90 percent of students reporting ranking were in the top 10 percent of their high school class.

These numbers are for all students. For OOS they'd be higher.

For Villanova, here are the numbers:SAT 1320 to 1460, ACT 30 to 33, top ten percent 72 percent.

Clearly there's a marked difference between OOS UVA and Villanova. The typical Villanova admit is probably on par with a skin-of-the-teeth UVA in state admit.

The problem with your numbers is that you’re looking in the rear view mirror. The current numbers for the class just accepted at Villanova are 1430-1520 for middle 50% on SAT and 32-35 on ACT with 84% in the top 10% of their high school class. Those numbers are very comparable to the numbers you posted for UVA, which hasn’t posted it’s numbers yet for this year’s freshman class.

What the numbers were last year for Villanova are irrelevant for a kid who will be applying next year at a school like Villanova where applications and selectivity have both been rising steadily for the past 5 years. As that trend continues, Villanova is likely to b even more selective when this student will be applying. Villanova is fast moving into the selectivity range of other top Catholics like Georgetown and Boston College.

To project fir a high school junior, he has to be looking ahead, not at what’s in the rear view mirror behind him.

No, you're mixing apples and oranges. You're referring to the stats of accepted students, whereas I was referring to enrolled students. The "accepted" numbers are going to be higher than enrolled because obviously the students at the upper end of the accepted range will get into other top schools and have more options.

So, sorry, but no.

Nope. Referring to enrolled students.