Daycare closures- still charging?

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I was just asking. So many rude and snarky replies. DCUM sucks.

What answers did you expect? Seriously. You’re an adult.

I actually think most of the replies are from idiots. Sorry, OP. Our daycare does NOT charge for COVID closed classrooms when it was a staff member who brought COVID in. If it came from a kid, then they charge. It's not an obvious outcome so your question is valid.

How many times have they admitted it was a staff member who brought it in?

Three times out of six total.

Wow! How many teachers are in your daycare? Three covid cases is a lot!

Roughly 20

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I was just asking. So many rude and snarky replies. DCUM sucks.

What answers did you expect? Seriously. You’re an adult.

I actually think most of the replies are from idiots. Sorry, OP. Our daycare does NOT charge for COVID closed classrooms when it was a staff member who brought COVID in. If it came from a kid, then they charge. It's not an obvious outcome so your question is valid.

How many times have they admitted it was a staff member who brought it in?

Three times out of six total.

Wow! How many teachers are in your daycare? Three covid cases is a lot!

Roughly 20

That’s a lot of Covid cases for 20, isn’t it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The solution is to end the ridiculous 14 day quarantine for children under 5. There have been numerous instances in our daycare (masked 2-5 year olds) where a child went home with covid-symptoms and waited for a PCR test for 5-7 days while the rest of the class continued and the PCR came back positive and the class started quarantining on day 5-7. Do you know how many times someone got covid? Zero. I would be very surprised if there was any "science" that said 14 day resulted in fewer infections that 10 day or 5 day or test to stay. Two years into this our politicians continue to make fear based decisions about young children.

Yawn. Don’t like the policies? Quit and stay home.

If only there was an agreement signed at the time of enrollment that described the conditions that would close the center or keep a child out of the center…

Oh wait, nearly every provider has such an agreement. And nearly none of them let the provider just shut down because they feel like it while continuing to charge parents (and potentially not paying staff).

Providers should follow the agreement. Keep centers open unless the health department orders them to close due to an outbreak. Kids that don't meet exclusion criteria should be allowed to attend.

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I’m honestly surprised that any daycare would refund a penny due to Covid closures. So different than private schools! Even our half day preschool didn’t refund a penny in 2020 (then they closed for a year).

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I was just asking. So many rude and snarky replies. DCUM sucks.

What answers did you expect? Seriously. You’re an adult.

I actually think most of the replies are from idiots. Sorry, OP. Our daycare does NOT charge for COVID closed classrooms when it was a staff member who brought COVID in. If it came from a kid, then they charge. It's not an obvious outcome so your question is valid.

How many times have they admitted it was a staff member who brought it in?

Three times out of six total.

Wow! How many teachers are in your daycare? Three covid cases is a lot!

Roughly 20

That’s a lot of Covid cases for 20, isn’t it?

Huh? 60% of adults have had covid. So you'd expect 12 cases among those 20 teachers over the pandemic.

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Anonymous wrote:The solution is to end the ridiculous 14 day quarantine for children under 5. There have been numerous instances in our daycare (masked 2-5 year olds) where a child went home with covid-symptoms and waited for a PCR test for 5-7 days while the rest of the class continued and the PCR came back positive and the class started quarantining on day 5-7. Do you know how many times someone got covid? Zero. I would be very surprised if there was any "science" that said 14 day resulted in fewer infections that 10 day or 5 day or test to stay. Two years into this our politicians continue to make fear based decisions about young children.

Who has mandatory quarantines for kids under 5? They’re not required in Maryland or Montgomery County. Quarantines are only required for outbreaks.

Yes, many providers are refusing to meet their obligations under their enrollment agreements, but don’t blame that on the heath regulations.

Our daycare has shut down entire classrooms repeatedly for single cases (mostly teachers, although I believe there have been 3 children with positive cases in the past 22 months). There's been no spread amongst the children or staff. Classes were shut down for 14 days at first, but now that is down to 10 days. We've been told that this is the instruction provided to daycare from the health department. We are in Loudoun.
Something has to give with this. We had an outbreak of RSV last summer (5 toddlers in one room), and no one shut down for that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The solution is to end the ridiculous 14 day quarantine for children under 5. There have been numerous instances in our daycare (masked 2-5 year olds) where a child went home with covid-symptoms and waited for a PCR test for 5-7 days while the rest of the class continued and the PCR came back positive and the class started quarantining on day 5-7. Do you know how many times someone got covid? Zero. I would be very surprised if there was any "science" that said 14 day resulted in fewer infections that 10 day or 5 day or test to stay. Two years into this our politicians continue to make fear based decisions about young children.

Who has mandatory quarantines for kids under 5? They’re not required in Maryland or Montgomery County. Quarantines are only required for outbreaks.

Yes, many providers are refusing to meet their obligations under their enrollment agreements, but don’t blame that on the heath regulations.

Our daycare has shut down entire classrooms repeatedly for single cases (mostly teachers, although I believe there have been 3 children with positive cases in the past 22 months). There's been no spread amongst the children or staff. Classes were shut down for 14 days at first, but now that is down to 10 days. We've been told that this is the instruction provided to daycare from the health department. We are in Loudoun.
Something has to give with this. We had an outbreak of RSV last summer (5 toddlers in one room), and no one shut down for that.

I’m not as familiar with Virginia regulations, but I know there are no requirements for quarantines in Maryland/MoCo for single cases. Providers still suggesting quarantines are required, but that simply isn’t true. I strongly suspect that's the case in Virginia. The health department likely doesn't have any authority unless there is an outbreak involving multiple, epidemiologically-linked cases. And the state/county child care regulations likely just say providers must follow the legal orders from health departments.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The solution is to end the ridiculous 14 day quarantine for children under 5. There have been numerous instances in our daycare (masked 2-5 year olds) where a child went home with covid-symptoms and waited for a PCR test for 5-7 days while the rest of the class continued and the PCR came back positive and the class started quarantining on day 5-7. Do you know how many times someone got covid? Zero. I would be very surprised if there was any "science" that said 14 day resulted in fewer infections that 10 day or 5 day or test to stay. Two years into this our politicians continue to make fear based decisions about young children.

Who has mandatory quarantines for kids under 5? They’re not required in Maryland or Montgomery County. Quarantines are only required for outbreaks.

Yes, many providers are refusing to meet their obligations under their enrollment agreements, but don’t blame that on the heath regulations.

Our daycare has shut down entire classrooms repeatedly for single cases (mostly teachers, although I believe there have been 3 children with positive cases in the past 22 months). There's been no spread amongst the children or staff. Classes were shut down for 14 days at first, but now that is down to 10 days. We've been told that this is the instruction provided to daycare from the health department. We are in Loudoun.
Something has to give with this. We had an outbreak of RSV last summer (5 toddlers in one room), and no one shut down for that.

Huh, that's interesting. I'm in DC and my daycare also reports every case to DC DOH and gets their guidance on when to open but as of Jan 1, 2022, that seems to have changed from a quarantine period (I think it was usually 5-10 days but I was never in an affect class in 2020 or 2021 so I'm not sure) to a one day closure for a deep clean and then test-to-return for all the apparently healthy kids. Weird that VA is being more paranoid that DC. We also haven't had nearly as much daycare-based Covid spread as we have HFM or RSV.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The solution is to end the ridiculous 14 day quarantine for children under 5. There have been numerous instances in our daycare (masked 2-5 year olds) where a child went home with covid-symptoms and waited for a PCR test for 5-7 days while the rest of the class continued and the PCR came back positive and the class started quarantining on day 5-7. Do you know how many times someone got covid? Zero. I would be very surprised if there was any "science" that said 14 day resulted in fewer infections that 10 day or 5 day or test to stay. Two years into this our politicians continue to make fear based decisions about young children.

Who has mandatory quarantines for kids under 5? They’re not required in Maryland or Montgomery County. Quarantines are only required for outbreaks.

Yes, many providers are refusing to meet their obligations under their enrollment agreements, but don’t blame that on the heath regulations.

Our daycare has shut down entire classrooms repeatedly for single cases (mostly teachers, although I believe there have been 3 children with positive cases in the past 22 months). There's been no spread amongst the children or staff. Classes were shut down for 14 days at first, but now that is down to 10 days. We've been told that this is the instruction provided to daycare from the health department. We are in Loudoun.
Something has to give with this. We had an outbreak of RSV last summer (5 toddlers in one room), and no one shut down for that.

I’m not as familiar with Virginia regulations, but I know there are no requirements for quarantines in Maryland/MoCo for single cases. Providers still suggesting quarantines are required, but that simply isn’t true. I strongly suspect that's the case in Virginia. The health department likely doesn't have any authority unless there is an outbreak involving multiple, epidemiologically-linked cases. And the state/county child care regulations likely just say providers must follow the legal orders from health departments.

This is OP. The daycare is in Montgomery County. One child has covid, no teachers or other students. Health Department apparently advised them to stay closed for what amounts to 10 week days. I'm tempted to call BS that the center director actually talked to the health department if what you're saying is true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The solution is to end the ridiculous 14 day quarantine for children under 5. There have been numerous instances in our daycare (masked 2-5 year olds) where a child went home with covid-symptoms and waited for a PCR test for 5-7 days while the rest of the class continued and the PCR came back positive and the class started quarantining on day 5-7. Do you know how many times someone got covid? Zero. I would be very surprised if there was any "science" that said 14 day resulted in fewer infections that 10 day or 5 day or test to stay. Two years into this our politicians continue to make fear based decisions about young children.

Who has mandatory quarantines for kids under 5? They’re not required in Maryland or Montgomery County. Quarantines are only required for outbreaks.

Yes, many providers are refusing to meet their obligations under their enrollment agreements, but don’t blame that on the heath regulations.

Our daycare has shut down entire classrooms repeatedly for single cases (mostly teachers, although I believe there have been 3 children with positive cases in the past 22 months). There's been no spread amongst the children or staff. Classes were shut down for 14 days at first, but now that is down to 10 days. We've been told that this is the instruction provided to daycare from the health department. We are in Loudoun.
Something has to give with this. We had an outbreak of RSV last summer (5 toddlers in one room), and no one shut down for that.

I’m not as familiar with Virginia regulations, but I know there are no requirements for quarantines in Maryland/MoCo for single cases. Providers still suggesting quarantines are required, but that simply isn’t true. I strongly suspect that's the case in Virginia. The health department likely doesn't have any authority unless there is an outbreak involving multiple, epidemiologically-linked cases. And the state/county child care regulations likely just say providers must follow the legal orders from health departments.

This is OP. The daycare is in Montgomery County. One child has covid, no teachers or other students. Health Department apparently advised them to stay closed for what amounts to 10 week days. I'm tempted to call BS that the center director actually talked to the health department if what you're saying is true.

The daycare is correct. The posters saying quarantines are not required or only for when multiple kids are sick is not true. A 14-day quarantine is still required for a positive case of a child under 5. I wish it were different, but that is the case. How could parents not know this?

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A 14 day quarantine is ridiculous. So, for 14 days, parents who have to work-many people cannot work from home-will have to farm out the kids to whomever they can find, probably mulitple people.

Then all the kids will come back to the daycare in 14 days after having been exposed to way more than if they daycare had just stayed open!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The solution is to end the ridiculous 14 day quarantine for children under 5. There have been numerous instances in our daycare (masked 2-5 year olds) where a child went home with covid-symptoms and waited for a PCR test for 5-7 days while the rest of the class continued and the PCR came back positive and the class started quarantining on day 5-7. Do you know how many times someone got covid? Zero. I would be very surprised if there was any "science" that said 14 day resulted in fewer infections that 10 day or 5 day or test to stay. Two years into this our politicians continue to make fear based decisions about young children.

Who has mandatory quarantines for kids under 5? They’re not required in Maryland or Montgomery County. Quarantines are only required for outbreaks.

Yes, many providers are refusing to meet their obligations under their enrollment agreements, but don’t blame that on the heath regulations.

Our daycare has shut down entire classrooms repeatedly for single cases (mostly teachers, although I believe there have been 3 children with positive cases in the past 22 months). There's been no spread amongst the children or staff. Classes were shut down for 14 days at first, but now that is down to 10 days. We've been told that this is the instruction provided to daycare from the health department. We are in Loudoun.
Something has to give with this. We had an outbreak of RSV last summer (5 toddlers in one room), and no one shut down for that.

I’m not as familiar with Virginia regulations, but I know there are no requirements for quarantines in Maryland/MoCo for single cases. Providers still suggesting quarantines are required, but that simply isn’t true. I strongly suspect that's the case in Virginia. The health department likely doesn't have any authority unless there is an outbreak involving multiple, epidemiologically-linked cases. And the state/county child care regulations likely just say providers must follow the legal orders from health departments.

This is OP. The daycare is in Montgomery County. One child has covid, no teachers or other students. Health Department apparently advised them to stay closed for what amounts to 10 week days. I'm tempted to call BS that the center director actually talked to the health department if what you're saying is true.

I can personally attest that this is true. I am also a daycare and spoke to the health department last week due to in class exposure and we are also closed for 10 days. Call BS all you want and feel free to call the health department. Ask to speak to the same person so you have your answer. Trust me, dealing with COVID is not fun. But you know what is worse than COVID? Parents who think we are trying to pull a fast one on them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The solution is to end the ridiculous 14 day quarantine for children under 5. There have been numerous instances in our daycare (masked 2-5 year olds) where a child went home with covid-symptoms and waited for a PCR test for 5-7 days while the rest of the class continued and the PCR came back positive and the class started quarantining on day 5-7. Do you know how many times someone got covid? Zero. I would be very surprised if there was any "science" that said 14 day resulted in fewer infections that 10 day or 5 day or test to stay. Two years into this our politicians continue to make fear based decisions about young children.

Who has mandatory quarantines for kids under 5? They’re not required in Maryland or Montgomery County. Quarantines are only required for outbreaks.

Yes, many providers are refusing to meet their obligations under their enrollment agreements, but don’t blame that on the heath regulations.

Our daycare has shut down entire classrooms repeatedly for single cases (mostly teachers, although I believe there have been 3 children with positive cases in the past 22 months). There's been no spread amongst the children or staff. Classes were shut down for 14 days at first, but now that is down to 10 days. We've been told that this is the instruction provided to daycare from the health department. We are in Loudoun.
Something has to give with this. We had an outbreak of RSV last summer (5 toddlers in one room), and no one shut down for that.

I’m not as familiar with Virginia regulations, but I know there are no requirements for quarantines in Maryland/MoCo for single cases. Providers still suggesting quarantines are required, but that simply isn’t true. I strongly suspect that's the case in Virginia. The health department likely doesn't have any authority unless there is an outbreak involving multiple, epidemiologically-linked cases. And the state/county child care regulations likely just say providers must follow the legal orders from health departments.

This is OP. The daycare is in Montgomery County. One child has covid, no teachers or other students. Health Department apparently advised them to stay closed for what amounts to 10 week days. I'm tempted to call BS that the center director actually talked to the health department if what you're saying is true.

The daycare is correct. The posters saying quarantines are not required or only for when multiple kids are sick is not true. A 14-day quarantine is still required for a positive case of a child under 5. I wish it were different, but that is the case. How could parents not know this?

You’re wrong. MoCo's Department of Health and Human Services covered this back in January. Watch the webinar: https://fb.watch/cFqF8Pcaw5/

Earl Stoddard similarly confirmed this last week, pointing to guidance from the Maryland State Department of Education and the Department of Health that says quarantines for individual cases are not necessary.
https://twitter.com/earlstoddard/status/1519362319096107009

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The solution is to end the ridiculous 14 day quarantine for children under 5. There have been numerous instances in our daycare (masked 2-5 year olds) where a child went home with covid-symptoms and waited for a PCR test for 5-7 days while the rest of the class continued and the PCR came back positive and the class started quarantining on day 5-7. Do you know how many times someone got covid? Zero. I would be very surprised if there was any "science" that said 14 day resulted in fewer infections that 10 day or 5 day or test to stay. Two years into this our politicians continue to make fear based decisions about young children.

Who has mandatory quarantines for kids under 5? They’re not required in Maryland or Montgomery County. Quarantines are only required for outbreaks.

Yes, many providers are refusing to meet their obligations under their enrollment agreements, but don’t blame that on the heath regulations.

Our daycare has shut down entire classrooms repeatedly for single cases (mostly teachers, although I believe there have been 3 children with positive cases in the past 22 months). There's been no spread amongst the children or staff. Classes were shut down for 14 days at first, but now that is down to 10 days. We've been told that this is the instruction provided to daycare from the health department. We are in Loudoun.
Something has to give with this. We had an outbreak of RSV last summer (5 toddlers in one room), and no one shut down for that.

I’m not as familiar with Virginia regulations, but I know there are no requirements for quarantines in Maryland/MoCo for single cases. Providers still suggesting quarantines are required, but that simply isn’t true. I strongly suspect that's the case in Virginia. The health department likely doesn't have any authority unless there is an outbreak involving multiple, epidemiologically-linked cases. And the state/county child care regulations likely just say providers must follow the legal orders from health departments.

This is OP. The daycare is in Montgomery County. One child has covid, no teachers or other students. Health Department apparently advised them to stay closed for what amounts to 10 week days. I'm tempted to call BS that the center director actually talked to the health department if what you're saying is true.

I can personally attest that this is true. I am also a daycare and spoke to the health department last week due to in class exposure and we are also closed for 10 days. Call BS all you want and feel free to call the health department. Ask to speak to the same person so you have your answer. Trust me, dealing with COVID is not fun. But you know what is worse than COVID? Parents who think we are trying to pull a fast one on them.

I believe that you think you were told you need to quarantine the other kids. But that is because the contact tracing office you report cases to isn’t being clear and you haven’t stayed up-to-date on the formal policies and regulations from MSDE and MoCo’s DHHS.

Quarantining for individual cases has always been a recommendation, not a requirement. The March 2nd memo from MSDE/MDH finally makes that explicit, but it was true before that if you knew to ask DHHS whether they were making a recommendation versus a legal order.

And obviously DHHS isn't issuing quarantine orders, since you don't hear back from them for several days if you only report a single case. Back in January we wouldn't hear back from them until after the other kids' quarantine periods would have already been over.

I don't fault you for being confused. DHHS has made this intentionally difficult to understand, as has the Office of Child Care. But I do fault you for spreading misinformation that quarantines are required. They're not. The state and county have both confirmed that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The solution is to end the ridiculous 14 day quarantine for children under 5. There have been numerous instances in our daycare (masked 2-5 year olds) where a child went home with covid-symptoms and waited for a PCR test for 5-7 days while the rest of the class continued and the PCR came back positive and the class started quarantining on day 5-7. Do you know how many times someone got covid? Zero. I would be very surprised if there was any "science" that said 14 day resulted in fewer infections that 10 day or 5 day or test to stay. Two years into this our politicians continue to make fear based decisions about young children.

Who has mandatory quarantines for kids under 5? They’re not required in Maryland or Montgomery County. Quarantines are only required for outbreaks.

Yes, many providers are refusing to meet their obligations under their enrollment agreements, but don’t blame that on the heath regulations.

Our daycare has shut down entire classrooms repeatedly for single cases (mostly teachers, although I believe there have been 3 children with positive cases in the past 22 months). There's been no spread amongst the children or staff. Classes were shut down for 14 days at first, but now that is down to 10 days. We've been told that this is the instruction provided to daycare from the health department. We are in Loudoun.
Something has to give with this. We had an outbreak of RSV last summer (5 toddlers in one room), and no one shut down for that.

I’m not as familiar with Virginia regulations, but I know there are no requirements for quarantines in Maryland/MoCo for single cases. Providers still suggesting quarantines are required, but that simply isn’t true. I strongly suspect that's the case in Virginia. The health department likely doesn't have any authority unless there is an outbreak involving multiple, epidemiologically-linked cases. And the state/county child care regulations likely just say providers must follow the legal orders from health departments.

This is OP. The daycare is in Montgomery County. One child has covid, no teachers or other students. Health Department apparently advised them to stay closed for what amounts to 10 week days. I'm tempted to call BS that the center director actually talked to the health department if what you're saying is true.

I can personally attest that this is true. I am also a daycare and spoke to the health department last week due to in class exposure and we are also closed for 10 days. Call BS all you want and feel free to call the health department. Ask to speak to the same person so you have your answer. Trust me, dealing with COVID is not fun. But you know what is worse than COVID? Parents who think we are trying to pull a fast one on them.

By the way, what was the name of the person in contact tracing that told you kids need to quarantine? I believe you, but someone in DHHS needs to follow up with them to make sure they’re providing accurate guidance and directives.