Dealing with Unvaccinated family pt. 2

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OP, I’m not sure why this situation existed, since I’m not sure why you would take a 5-month old who just had a medical emergency anywhere but home. But I also understand why you are upset. We were still during the early phase of vaccines, during COVID strains more dangerous than Omicron, and most importantly, your 5-month old could easily have caught COVID and therefore been at huge risk due to being medically fragile. That trumps any political views on masking. And your family was so hell-bent on making political points that they disregarded your fragile baby’s safety. That would be hard for me to let go too, especially when they had agreed to help out with masks and then refused when you got there, knowing your baby had just been in the hospital less than 24 hours ago.

If it were me, I would accept that they put political views as priority over your baby’s safety and accept they are out of your life for now. Spend more time with DH’s family. Hopefully eventually your family and you will come together again. But with the understanding that you now know how they will treat boundaries and safety and as PPs said above, act accordingly. Assume they won’t and if/when you get together with them again, put systems in place where you can leave if they don’t respect safety requests with other issues as well (stay in hotel, start with only couple hours planned visits, make excuse and leave at first sign of safety disrespect).

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I’m not sure why this situation existed, since I’m not sure why you would take a 5-month old who just had a medical emergency anywhere but home. But I also understand why you are upset. We were still during the early phase of vaccines, during COVID strains more dangerous than Omicron, and most importantly, your 5-month old could easily have caught COVID and therefore been at huge risk due to being medically fragile. That trumps any political views on masking. And your family was so hell-bent on making political points that they disregarded your fragile baby’s safety. That would be hard for me to let go too, especially when they had agreed to help out with masks and then refused when you got there, knowing your baby had just been in the hospital less than 24 hours ago.

If it were me, I would accept that they put political views as priority over your baby’s safety and accept they are out of your life for now. Spend more time with DH’s family. Hopefully eventually your family and you will come together again. But with the understanding that you now know how they will treat boundaries and safety and as PPs said above, act accordingly. Assume they won’t and if/when you get together with them again, put systems in place where you can leave if they don’t respect safety requests with other issues as well (stay in hotel, start with only couple hours planned visits, make excuse and leave at first sign of safety disrespect).

Riiiiiiiight.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I’m not sure why this situation existed, since I’m not sure why you would take a 5-month old who just had a medical emergency anywhere but home. But I also understand why you are upset. We were still during the early phase of vaccines, during COVID strains more dangerous than Omicron, and most importantly, your 5-month old could easily have caught COVID and therefore been at huge risk due to being medically fragile. That trumps any political views on masking. And your family was so hell-bent on making political points that they disregarded your fragile baby’s safety. That would be hard for me to let go too, especially when they had agreed to help out with masks and then refused when you got there, knowing your baby had just been in the hospital less than 24 hours ago.

If it were me, I would accept that they put political views as priority over your baby’s safety and accept they are out of your life for now. Spend more time with DH’s family. Hopefully eventually your family and you will come together again. But with the understanding that you now know how they will treat boundaries and safety and as PPs said above, act accordingly. Assume they won’t and if/when you get together with them again, put systems in place where you can leave if they don’t respect safety requests with other issues as well (stay in hotel, start with only couple hours planned visits, make excuse and leave at first sign of safety disrespect).

But this is also what OP did. OP was extremely into covid precautions if she had friends/family wear a mask AND was truly concerned about her 5 month old catching covid. It seems like OP and the relatives are on different sides of the COVID spectrum. It’s likely hard for OP to understand the relatives aren’t concerned about covid and vice versa.

[Anonymous]

I would’ve been upset too, but if I’d known my family was anti mask, I would not have even put myself in that situation. You and your family have fundamental differences. I don’t think k there’s any getting over that, and why would you? I wouldn’t want to interact with people who treat me like that. Family or not.

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Anonymous wrote:OP these people are not people you want to hang around your kids. They are nasty and gross.

I’ve observed that the unvaccinated are basically really selfish jerks. They are generally angry people or people with deep insecurities and anxiety. For them it’s a way to express their bad personalities.

For the vaccinated who have had these jerks in their life as unliked family members, the anti vaccine and anti mask thing is simply the straw that broke the camels back. Why risk your health to be around someone you didn’t like anyway? Just let them go and find fun things to do with your nuclear family. See your parents without the sibling in law.

Disagree. I think they are smart. Looking back I kind of regret a vaccine that didn’t prevent transmission or keep me from catching omicron. It’s a brand new vaccine and it appears I’ll need continued boosters over and over again. At this point to truly paint those who didn’t vaccinate against covid seems very 2021. It’s also a huge % of our country. I’d try to take a step back and not be so emotional about covid. If you think logically, it’s a lot easier to not judge someone for not vaccinating against covid.

Oh, the irony! You, clearly, don't understand how vaccines work and, in particular, the COVID vaccines. The COVID vaccination may have had less efficacy in preventing omicron transmission but, without a doubt, it reduced the severity of illness in over 80% of those who received the vaccination and later had COVID, including the omicron variant. That's really good. Judging the willful ignorance of people will never grow old, especially those people who also refuse to respect boundaries and gaslight.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e3.htm

Cool. I can’t help but ignore that I know plenty of unvaccinated and vaccinated people and the effects of omicron didn’t seem to be correlated to vaccination status. Plenty of people have observed the same and we are also reluctant to continue receiving a vaccine with an unknown number of doses and where we can still catch the virus. I do appreciate I wasn’t hospitalized, but I’m also not convinced my outcome would have been any different without rhe vaccine.

You also don't understand the difference between anecdotal information and information gathered thru data collection. Yet, you claim you yhink 'logically'. smh

So you’re saying that there aren’t plenty of unvaccinated people who ended up perfectly fine post omicron?

Oh, sweetie, you need to go back to your anti-vax Facebook group. Your willful ignorance has no place here. We understand, and rely upon, statistics and science. Move along.

[Anonymous]

Are you the prolific troll who likes to post about things that happened months ago, years ago, or to a friend just to stir up a contentious discussion?

[Anonymous]

This story sounds very made up or the op is not the sharpest tool in the shed.

[Anonymous]

Recently this entire board rallied around a mother who refused to let her family see her infant outside and distanced due to covid, but are telling this woman that she is being ridiculous for asking for the same thing when the covid risks were higher. That's cute and hypocritical.

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Anonymous wrote:OP these people are not people you want to hang around your kids. They are nasty and gross.

I’ve observed that the unvaccinated are basically really selfish jerks. They are generally angry people or people with deep insecurities and anxiety. For them it’s a way to express their bad personalities.

For the vaccinated who have had these jerks in their life as unliked family members, the anti vaccine and anti mask thing is simply the straw that broke the camels back. Why risk your health to be around someone you didn’t like anyway? Just let them go and find fun things to do with your nuclear family. See your parents without the sibling in law.

Disagree. I think they are smart. Looking back I kind of regret a vaccine that didn’t prevent transmission or keep me from catching omicron. It’s a brand new vaccine and it appears I’ll need continued boosters over and over again. At this point to truly paint those who didn’t vaccinate against covid seems very 2021. It’s also a huge % of our country. I’d try to take a step back and not be so emotional about covid. If you think logically, it’s a lot easier to not judge someone for not vaccinating against covid.

Oh, the irony! You, clearly, don't understand how vaccines work and, in particular, the COVID vaccines. The COVID vaccination may have had less efficacy in preventing omicron transmission but, without a doubt, it reduced the severity of illness in over 80% of those who received the vaccination and later had COVID, including the omicron variant. That's really good. Judging the willful ignorance of people will never grow old, especially those people who also refuse to respect boundaries and gaslight.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e3.htm

Cool. I can’t help but ignore that I know plenty of unvaccinated and vaccinated people and the effects of omicron didn’t seem to be correlated to vaccination status. Plenty of people have observed the same and we are also reluctant to continue receiving a vaccine with an unknown number of doses and where we can still catch the virus. I do appreciate I wasn’t hospitalized, but I’m also not convinced my outcome would have been any different without rhe vaccine.

You also don't understand the difference between anecdotal information and information gathered thru data collection. Yet, you claim you yhink 'logically'. smh

So you’re saying that there aren’t plenty of unvaccinated people who ended up perfectly fine post omicron?

Oh, sweetie, you need to go back to your anti-vax Facebook group. Your willful ignorance has no place here. We understand, and rely upon, statistics and science. Move along.

I’m ignorant and unvaccinated because I asked if plenty of unvaccinated people ended up perfectly find post omicron??

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Anonymous wrote:OP these people are not people you want to hang around your kids. They are nasty and gross.

I’ve observed that the unvaccinated are basically really selfish jerks. They are generally angry people or people with deep insecurities and anxiety. For them it’s a way to express their bad personalities.

For the vaccinated who have had these jerks in their life as unliked family members, the anti vaccine and anti mask thing is simply the straw that broke the camels back. Why risk your health to be around someone you didn’t like anyway? Just let them go and find fun things to do with your nuclear family. See your parents without the sibling in law.

Disagree. I think they are smart. Looking back I kind of regret a vaccine that didn’t prevent transmission or keep me from catching omicron. It’s a brand new vaccine and it appears I’ll need continued boosters over and over again. At this point to truly paint those who didn’t vaccinate against covid seems very 2021. It’s also a huge % of our country. I’d try to take a step back and not be so emotional about covid. If you think logically, it’s a lot easier to not judge someone for not vaccinating against covid.

Oh, the irony! You, clearly, don't understand how vaccines work and, in particular, the COVID vaccines. The COVID vaccination may have had less efficacy in preventing omicron transmission but, without a doubt, it reduced the severity of illness in over 80% of those who received the vaccination and later had COVID, including the omicron variant. That's really good. Judging the willful ignorance of people will never grow old, especially those people who also refuse to respect boundaries and gaslight.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e3.htm

Cool. I can’t help but ignore that I know plenty of unvaccinated and vaccinated people and the effects of omicron didn’t seem to be correlated to vaccination status. Plenty of people have observed the same and we are also reluctant to continue receiving a vaccine with an unknown number of doses and where we can still catch the virus. I do appreciate I wasn’t hospitalized, but I’m also not convinced my outcome would have been any different without rhe vaccine.

You also don't understand the difference between anecdotal information and information gathered thru data collection. Yet, you claim you yhink 'logically'. smh

So you’re saying that there aren’t plenty of unvaccinated people who ended up perfectly fine post omicron?

Oh, sweetie, you need to go back to your anti-vax Facebook group. Your willful ignorance has no place here. We understand, and rely upon, statistics and science. Move along.

I’m ignorant and unvaccinated because I asked if plenty of unvaccinated people ended up perfectly find post omicron??

"Plenty" is not a "logical" term nor is it appropriate for data driven discussions or decisions. But, I recognize you're not really looking for a discussion and prefer to base your decisions on belief and anecdote. I hope you have the day you deserve.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm#T1_down
https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/see-the-numbers/covid-19-in-virginia/covid-19-cases-by-vaccination-status/

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Anonymous wrote:OP these people are not people you want to hang around your kids. They are nasty and gross.

I’ve observed that the unvaccinated are basically really selfish jerks. They are generally angry people or people with deep insecurities and anxiety. For them it’s a way to express their bad personalities.

For the vaccinated who have had these jerks in their life as unliked family members, the anti vaccine and anti mask thing is simply the straw that broke the camels back. Why risk your health to be around someone you didn’t like anyway? Just let them go and find fun things to do with your nuclear family. See your parents without the sibling in law.

Disagree. I think they are smart. Looking back I kind of regret a vaccine that didn’t prevent transmission or keep me from catching omicron. It’s a brand new vaccine and it appears I’ll need continued boosters over and over again. At this point to truly paint those who didn’t vaccinate against covid seems very 2021. It’s also a huge % of our country. I’d try to take a step back and not be so emotional about covid. If you think logically, it’s a lot easier to not judge someone for not vaccinating against covid.

Oh, the irony! You, clearly, don't understand how vaccines work and, in particular, the COVID vaccines. The COVID vaccination may have had less efficacy in preventing omicron transmission but, without a doubt, it reduced the severity of illness in over 80% of those who received the vaccination and later had COVID, including the omicron variant. That's really good. Judging the willful ignorance of people will never grow old, especially those people who also refuse to respect boundaries and gaslight.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e3.htm

Cool. I can’t help but ignore that I know plenty of unvaccinated and vaccinated people and the effects of omicron didn’t seem to be correlated to vaccination status. Plenty of people have observed the same and we are also reluctant to continue receiving a vaccine with an unknown number of doses and where we can still catch the virus. I do appreciate I wasn’t hospitalized, but I’m also not convinced my outcome would have been any different without rhe vaccine.

You also don't understand the difference between anecdotal information and information gathered thru data collection. Yet, you claim you yhink 'logically'. smh

So you’re saying that there aren’t plenty of unvaccinated people who ended up perfectly fine post omicron?

Oh, sweetie, you need to go back to your anti-vax Facebook group. Your willful ignorance has no place here. We understand, and rely upon, statistics and science. Move along.

I’m ignorant and unvaccinated because I asked if plenty of unvaccinated people ended up perfectly find post omicron??

"Plenty" is not a "logical" term nor is it appropriate for data driven discussions or decisions. But, I recognize you're not really looking for a discussion and prefer to base your decisions on belief and anecdote. I hope you have the day you deserve.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm#T1_down
https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/see-the-numbers/covid-19-in-virginia/covid-19-cases-by-vaccination-status/

I deserve a bad day because I am acknowledging that a lot of people have recovered from omicron??? Seriously what’s wrong with you?

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Anonymous wrote:OP these people are not people you want to hang around your kids. They are nasty and gross.

I’ve observed that the unvaccinated are basically really selfish jerks. They are generally angry people or people with deep insecurities and anxiety. For them it’s a way to express their bad personalities.

For the vaccinated who have had these jerks in their life as unliked family members, the anti vaccine and anti mask thing is simply the straw that broke the camels back. Why risk your health to be around someone you didn’t like anyway? Just let them go and find fun things to do with your nuclear family. See your parents without the sibling in law.

Disagree. I think they are smart. Looking back I kind of regret a vaccine that didn’t prevent transmission or keep me from catching omicron. It’s a brand new vaccine and it appears I’ll need continued boosters over and over again. At this point to truly paint those who didn’t vaccinate against covid seems very 2021. It’s also a huge % of our country. I’d try to take a step back and not be so emotional about covid. If you think logically, it’s a lot easier to not judge someone for not vaccinating against covid.

Oh, the irony! You, clearly, don't understand how vaccines work and, in particular, the COVID vaccines. The COVID vaccination may have had less efficacy in preventing omicron transmission but, without a doubt, it reduced the severity of illness in over 80% of those who received the vaccination and later had COVID, including the omicron variant. That's really good. Judging the willful ignorance of people will never grow old, especially those people who also refuse to respect boundaries and gaslight.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e3.htm

Cool. I can’t help but ignore that I know plenty of unvaccinated and vaccinated people and the effects of omicron didn’t seem to be correlated to vaccination status. Plenty of people have observed the same and we are also reluctant to continue receiving a vaccine with an unknown number of doses and where we can still catch the virus. I do appreciate I wasn’t hospitalized, but I’m also not convinced my outcome would have been any different without rhe vaccine.

You also don't understand the difference between anecdotal information and information gathered thru data collection. Yet, you claim you yhink 'logically'. smh

So you’re saying that there aren’t plenty of unvaccinated people who ended up perfectly fine post omicron?

Oh, sweetie, you need to go back to your anti-vax Facebook group. Your willful ignorance has no place here. We understand, and rely upon, statistics and science. Move along.

I’m ignorant and unvaccinated because I asked if plenty of unvaccinated people ended up perfectly find post omicron??

"Plenty" is not a "logical" term nor is it appropriate for data driven discussions or decisions. But, I recognize you're not really looking for a discussion and prefer to base your decisions on belief and anecdote. I hope you have the day you deserve.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm#T1_down
https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/see-the-numbers/covid-19-in-virginia/covid-19-cases-by-vaccination-status/

The reports you provided links to don’t cover how many Americans who were unvaccinated have recovered from COVID.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP these people are not people you want to hang around your kids. They are nasty and gross.

I’ve observed that the unvaccinated are basically really selfish jerks. They are generally angry people or people with deep insecurities and anxiety. For them it’s a way to express their bad personalities.

For the vaccinated who have had these jerks in their life as unliked family members, the anti vaccine and anti mask thing is simply the straw that broke the camels back. Why risk your health to be around someone you didn’t like anyway? Just let them go and find fun things to do with your nuclear family. See your parents without the sibling in law.

Disagree. I think they are smart. Looking back I kind of regret a vaccine that didn’t prevent transmission or keep me from catching omicron. It’s a brand new vaccine and it appears I’ll need continued boosters over and over again. At this point to truly paint those who didn’t vaccinate against covid seems very 2021. It’s also a huge % of our country. I’d try to take a step back and not be so emotional about covid. If you think logically, it’s a lot easier to not judge someone for not vaccinating against covid.

Oh, the irony! You, clearly, don't understand how vaccines work and, in particular, the COVID vaccines. The COVID vaccination may have had less efficacy in preventing omicron transmission but, without a doubt, it reduced the severity of illness in over 80% of those who received the vaccination and later had COVID, including the omicron variant. That's really good. Judging the willful ignorance of people will never grow old, especially those people who also refuse to respect boundaries and gaslight.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e3.htm

Cool. I can’t help but ignore that I know plenty of unvaccinated and vaccinated people and the effects of omicron didn’t seem to be correlated to vaccination status. Plenty of people have observed the same and we are also reluctant to continue receiving a vaccine with an unknown number of doses and where we can still catch the virus. I do appreciate I wasn’t hospitalized, but I’m also not convinced my outcome would have been any different without rhe vaccine.

You also don't understand the difference between anecdotal information and information gathered thru data collection. Yet, you claim you yhink 'logically'. smh

So you’re saying that there aren’t plenty of unvaccinated people who ended up perfectly fine post omicron?

Oh, sweetie, you need to go back to your anti-vax Facebook group. Your willful ignorance has no place here. We understand, and rely upon, statistics and science. Move along.

I’m ignorant and unvaccinated because I asked if plenty of unvaccinated people ended up perfectly find post omicron??

"Plenty" is not a "logical" term nor is it appropriate for data driven discussions or decisions. But, I recognize you're not really looking for a discussion and prefer to base your decisions on belief and anecdote. I hope you have the day you deserve.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm#T1_down
https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/see-the-numbers/covid-19-in-virginia/covid-19-cases-by-vaccination-status/

The reports you provided links to don’t cover how many Americans who were unvaccinated have recovered from COVID.

Wait it does! I missed the first one. It’s saying over a million people had omicron during a certain time period and approx 2k died. So to me, that isn’t very compelling information that a vaccine is necessary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Recently this entire board rallied around a mother who refused to let her family see her infant outside and distanced due to covid, but are telling this woman that she is being ridiculous for asking for the same thing when the covid risks were higher. That's cute and hypocritical.

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This.

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Anonymous wrote:This is crazy. You’re likely upset that you pushed masking so much and didn’t have any clue that they are largely ineffective. I’d feel dumb too. Your extreme emotions about all of this are likely due to the fact that you were fooled and now realize it. Sorry.

I’ll add that I have a hunch your COVID denying family members are alive and well. That probably angers you too.

OP here, this is a disgusting comment. I would never wish ill on anyone and am not angry that they're alive and well.

I didn’t mean as though you would wish them ill will. But I do think it’s hard for many very into covid people to admit that they didn’t experience a different outcome than most people who ran around unvaxed without masks.

I think it’s hard for many *not* into covid people to remember that a whole lot of folks died or got long term symptoms.

Tons of people died, yes. But they were mostly elderly. The real risk to OP was her child’s illness. Not covid. The long term symptoms thing is always thrown out there by covidians, but most of us can just use common sense and ascertain that although almost everyone we know had covid, not a single person is still sick.

I truly do think there are a lot of people out there like OP who were fooled and spent years doing silly things like going around in cloth masks. It’s probably hard to accept that the covid denying relatives were correct.

Fooled? When you are responsible for taking care of other people, you do as much as you can to protect yourself an others with the information available. Shift as information shifts and hospitals empty. The family issue extends beyond COVID

Op here -

This is exactly what we were doing. We consulted with our pediatricians and the hospital doctors and determined at the time outside masked was completely fine.

I can tell you that everyone talking hind sight now, has forgotten the real danger that was thought to immunocompromised people such as babies and pregnant people and elderly at the time. I was pregnant starting March 2020 and it was very scary. I was also pregnant during Zika years ago. Doctors had no idea how COVID would impact mothers and infants both in utero and newborn.

My extreme issues come from how little they cared about my legitimate fear and feelings. Even if they disagreed. Why would someone try to hurt me?

This is not the only issue in my family and so yes there are other issues in play but this was the final straw. I don’t know why they would intentionally try to hurt me and my family at a time that was just more sensitive than usual.