Conservatives, are you optimistic about the future of the world?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If conservatives are supposedly so happy and content, then why the constant churn of fabricated right wing fearmongering?

You must be joking. Have you even read the OP? How about the dozens and dozens of other doomsday threads started by liberals who actually seem to enjoy fear-mongering? JFC.
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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If conservatives are supposedly so happy and content, then why the constant churn of fabricated right wing fearmongering?

You must be joking. Have you even read the OP? How about the dozens and dozens of other doomsday threads started by liberals who actually seem to enjoy fear-mongering? JFC.
NP

I laughed when I saw that post. Fear-mongering is a right wing thing... right. There's plenty of fear-mongering to go around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If conservatives are supposedly so happy and content, then why the constant churn of fabricated right wing fearmongering?

You must be joking. Have you even read the OP? How about the dozens and dozens of other doomsday threads started by liberals who actually seem to enjoy fear-mongering? JFC.
NP

I laughed when I saw that post. Fear-mongering is a right wing thing... right. There's plenty of fear-mongering to go around.

I truly think the left has taken fear mongering to a whole new level with the pandemic. Some of the videos I have seen are insane. This is one of the funniest.....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a moderate democrat and moderate in general. But I also find the state of the country absolutely depressing. I have to just not think about it most days, or it makes me sad and angry too. The gaslighting, the ignorance, the rise of an unabashedly un-Christian brand of Christianity, the slide into fascism and minority rule; it's all just pretty bad all around.

Lots of people will say you're being hysterical, the problem is you, blah blah. That's the gaslighting part. It's as bad as it seems, but I think what we need to do at this point is look out for ourselves and make sure we have an out for us and our kids and grandkids, if things get a lot worse quickly.

Intriguing post. What is this rise of an unabashedly un-Christian brand of Christianity? Do you know anything about the history of Christianity? The happy clappy Episcopalian church with BLM signs and rainbow flags is not what most Christian churches were till oh, about 25 years ago. So you know Christianity more intimately and "better" than nearly 2,000 years of Christian followers? We're obviously not talking about the Christianity of the great Crusades or the centuries long clashes between Catholics and Protestants and the systematic discrimination against the "wrong" Christian faith in most places by the Christian majority. Even most Episcopalians of 1922 would be horrified if they could see the modern Episcopalian church.

Where is this slide to fascism? I'm looking around. I see unhappy and authoritarian people on both the left and right. And many more authoritarians on the left. Who was it that forced through mandates and shutdowns and suspending civil liberties? Definitely not the right. Anyway, fascism? Do you even know what fascism is? I suspect not.

Your post speaks to your fears more than it does to both history or the current political situation. You probably believe everything said on CNN without realizing they are driven by ratings and feed off the paranoia of their watchers to make money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If conservatives are supposedly so happy and content, then why the constant churn of fabricated right wing fearmongering?

THIS!!!!

The incessant complaining about everyone else, the leftists, the feminists, the gays, the unisex, the people of color. Everything is a complaint and they project the whole snowflake thing yet voting in the biggest snowflake in history to carry their misplaced grievance to a whole new level.

DP. I can't even. I love how you selectively ignore the vast majority of threads in the political forums - started by unhinged, whiny LWNJs. Obviously because you agree with their incessant complaining and misplaced grievances. Oh, the outrage about stories that are PROVEN to be false. You people are absolutely so predictable, with your constant chicken little, doomsday scenarios. Get a grip.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If conservatives are supposedly so happy and content, then why the constant churn of fabricated right wing fearmongering?

You must be joking. Have you even read the OP? How about the dozens and dozens of other doomsday threads started by liberals who actually seem to enjoy fear-mongering? JFC.
NP

I laughed when I saw that post. Fear-mongering is a right wing thing... right. There's plenty of fear-mongering to go around.

And yet... every.single.thread about fear-mongering is started by a LWNJ. How do you explain that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If conservatives are supposedly so happy and content, then why the constant churn of fabricated right wing fearmongering?

You must be joking. Have you even read the OP? How about the dozens and dozens of other doomsday threads started by liberals who actually seem to enjoy fear-mongering? JFC.
NP

I laughed when I saw that post. Fear-mongering is a right wing thing... right. There's plenty of fear-mongering to go around.

And yet... every.single.thread about fear-mongering is started by a LWNJ. How do you explain that?

PP here - sorry, I see what you're saying!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If conservatives are supposedly so happy and content, then why the constant churn of fabricated right wing fearmongering?

You must be joking. Have you even read the OP? How about the dozens and dozens of other doomsday threads started by liberals who actually seem to enjoy fear-mongering? JFC.
NP

I laughed when I saw that post. Fear-mongering is a right wing thing... right. There's plenty of fear-mongering to go around.

I truly think the left has taken fear mongering to a whole new level with the pandemic. Some of the videos I have seen are insane. This is one of the funniest.....

OMG. These people are absolute nuts. The one woman on the left looks like this infamous woman from 2016. I wonder if it's her?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a moderate democrat and moderate in general. But I also find the state of the country absolutely depressing. I have to just not think about it most days, or it makes me sad and angry too. The gaslighting, the ignorance, the rise of an unabashedly un-Christian brand of Christianity, the slide into fascism and minority rule; it's all just pretty bad all around.

Lots of people will say you're being hysterical, the problem is you, blah blah. That's the gaslighting part. It's as bad as it seems, but I think what we need to do at this point is look out for ourselves and make sure we have an out for us and our kids and grandkids, if things get a lot worse quickly.

Intriguing post. What is this rise of an unabashedly un-Christian brand of Christianity? Do you know anything about the history of Christianity? The happy clappy Episcopalian church with BLM signs and rainbow flags is not what most Christian churches were till oh, about 25 years ago. So you know Christianity more intimately and "better" than nearly 2,000 years of Christian followers? We're obviously not talking about the Christianity of the great Crusades or the centuries long clashes between Catholics and Protestants and the systematic discrimination against the "wrong" Christian faith in most places by the Christian majority. Even most Episcopalians of 1922 would be horrified if they could see the modern Episcopalian church.

Where is this slide to fascism? I'm looking around. I see unhappy and authoritarian people on both the left and right. And many more authoritarians on the left. Who was it that forced through mandates and shutdowns and suspending civil liberties? Definitely not the right. Anyway, fascism? Do you even know what fascism is? I suspect not.

Your post speaks to your fears more than it does to both history or the current political situation. You probably believe everything said on CNN without realizing they are driven by ratings and feed off the paranoia of their watchers to make money.

Bravo. Well said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's been plenty of studies showing conservatives are happier than liberals. The progressive response is to usually sneer that conservatives are happier because they are content to be ignorant and ignore the suffering and pains of others. When you look at the actual data for why conservatives are happier it's because they have stronger networks of family and friends, including being part of faith organizations or living in smaller town settings where people look after each other.

I do agree the progressive mindset is trapped by its blind belief in the proper inevitability of the right side of history, and when it fails to happen, they get frustrated and unhappy. It's a classic metaphysical concept studied in political theory and one that has dominated the left in its various guises and results in an environment where things are never, ever good enough and there always needs to be a new battle to be fought. We do see this with wokery. Despite the staggering improvement in the wellbeing, material and political, of African Americans since the 1950s, progressives still go around acting as if nothing has changed since, well, 1860.

I suppose the conservative mindset is more realistic.

First of all, my eyes/ears grate at the world "liberal." I'm a leftist. I hate liberals almost as much as conservatives do.
That being said, I don't disagree that conservatives should be happier than liberals.
One counterpoint is that studies in human happiness repeatedly show that Nordic countries are happier than the United States by every metric. Now, I'm not here to debate the Nordic model (yes I know they aren't all the same, yes I know they aren't "socialist") but the fact is that there is data that shows that other countries with different economic systems show more happiness. Of course, former Soviet countries show the least amount of happiness, and some of the happier (relatively speaking) countries are dirt poor countries in Africa. But all in all, the US is kind of meh compared to other developed countries in terms of personal satisfaction with life.

So, that's a counterpoint grappling with the idea that I might assume, that conservatives should be happier with the way things are going.

The intriguing thing about the Nordic model is that it was based on a highly homogenous society with a strong shared cultural tradition and self-restraint by individuals to prevent abuse of the social welfare system. That model has been substantially weakened in recent decades and social problems have emerged, so we'll see what the future brings.

I pity the word liberal. It no longer means what it did at one time. The classic 19th century enlightened liberal is not the progressive of today. And there is a distinct difference between progressivity and liberalism. So who are the liberals? Ironically, one can make a genuine claim that the modern conservatives are closer to the traditional liberals of the 19th century with their skepticism of political power, commitment to free press and speech, and stratified social classes while the modern liberals may have more in common with the 19th century strains of entrenched conservatives with emphasis on deference to people of authority and unquestioning acceptance of privileged social classes (which would be the modern professional classes of experts along with the blatant contempt of working classes and their views, as we see on DCUM and CNN and NYT daily with their continuous sneering references to Trumpsters and so forth), and open acceptance of censorship of heretical views in the name of the greater good (as we saw with COVID). The two positions have neatly flipped.

I do think liberalism is heading for a mighty explosion. A new kind of left is emerging, which is distinctly not liberal for it does not prize natural rights concepts like freedom of speech or thought over the social good, and is much more open to greater and more intrusive state control to promote the greater good (whatever it may be). Many of the old liberals are still in denial of this growing authoritarian new left but others are not (Matt Taibbi, Glenn Greenwald, the former liberals of Substack, and, of course, many voters). It'll be interesting to see what happens as it plays out in the next few elections.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If conservatives are supposedly so happy and content, then why the constant churn of fabricated right wing fearmongering?

You must be joking. Have you even read the OP? How about the dozens and dozens of other doomsday threads started by liberals who actually seem to enjoy fear-mongering? JFC.
NP

I laughed when I saw that post. Fear-mongering is a right wing thing... right. There's plenty of fear-mongering to go around.

I truly think the left has taken fear mongering to a whole new level with the pandemic. Some of the videos I have seen are insane. This is one of the funniest.....

These idiots are harassing a black man. Can you imagine the outrage if conservatives were doing this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's been plenty of studies showing conservatives are happier than liberals. The progressive response is to usually sneer that conservatives are happier because they are content to be ignorant and ignore the suffering and pains of others. When you look at the actual data for why conservatives are happier it's because they have stronger networks of family and friends, including being part of faith organizations or living in smaller town settings where people look after each other.

I do agree the progressive mindset is trapped by its blind belief in the proper inevitability of the right side of history, and when it fails to happen, they get frustrated and unhappy. It's a classic metaphysical concept studied in political theory and one that has dominated the left in its various guises and results in an environment where things are never, ever good enough and there always needs to be a new battle to be fought. We do see this with wokery. Despite the staggering improvement in the wellbeing, material and political, of African Americans since the 1950s, progressives still go around acting as if nothing has changed since, well, 1860.

I suppose the conservative mindset is more realistic.

First of all, my eyes/ears grate at the world "liberal." I'm a leftist. I hate liberals almost as much as conservatives do.
That being said, I don't disagree that conservatives should be happier than liberals.
One counterpoint is that studies in human happiness repeatedly show that Nordic countries are happier than the United States by every metric. Now, I'm not here to debate the Nordic model (yes I know they aren't all the same, yes I know they aren't "socialist") but the fact is that there is data that shows that other countries with different economic systems show more happiness. Of course, former Soviet countries show the least amount of happiness, and some of the happier (relatively speaking) countries are dirt poor countries in Africa. But all in all, the US is kind of meh compared to other developed countries in terms of personal satisfaction with life.

So, that's a counterpoint grappling with the idea that I might assume, that conservatives should be happier with the way things are going.

The intriguing thing about the Nordic model is that it was based on a highly homogenous society with a strong shared cultural tradition and self-restraint by individuals to prevent abuse of the social welfare system. That model has been substantially weakened in recent decades and social problems have emerged, so we'll see what the future brings.

I pity the word liberal. It no longer means what it did at one time. The classic 19th century enlightened liberal is not the progressive of today. And there is a distinct difference between progressivity and liberalism. So who are the liberals? Ironically, one can make a genuine claim that the modern conservatives are closer to the traditional liberals of the 19th century with their skepticism of political power, commitment to free press and speech, and stratified social classes while the modern liberals may have more in common with the 19th century strains of entrenched conservatives with emphasis on deference to people of authority and unquestioning acceptance of privileged social classes (which would be the modern professional classes of experts along with the blatant contempt of working classes and their views, as we see on DCUM and CNN and NYT daily with their continuous sneering references to Trumpsters and so forth), and open acceptance of censorship of heretical views in the name of the greater good (as we saw with COVID). The two positions have neatly flipped.

I do think liberalism is heading for a mighty explosion. A new kind of left is emerging, which is distinctly not liberal for it does not prize natural rights concepts like freedom of speech or thought over the social good, and is much more open to greater and more intrusive state control to promote the greater good (whatever it may be). Many of the old liberals are still in denial of this growing authoritarian new left but others are not (Matt Taibbi, Glenn Greenwald, the former liberals of Substack, and, of course, many voters). It'll be interesting to see what happens as it plays out in the next few elections.

You realize you're describing the Republican party, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If conservatives are supposedly so happy and content, then why the constant churn of fabricated right wing fearmongering?

You must be joking. Have you even read the OP? How about the dozens and dozens of other doomsday threads started by liberals who actually seem to enjoy fear-mongering? JFC.
NP

I laughed when I saw that post. Fear-mongering is a right wing thing... right. There's plenty of fear-mongering to go around.

I truly think the left has taken fear mongering to a whole new level with the pandemic. Some of the videos I have seen are insane. This is one of the funniest.....

These idiots are harassing a black man. Can you imagine the outrage if conservatives were doing this?

If Conservatives were doing that we would receive around the clock coverage on Fox News about black crime, how he brought it on himself, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If conservatives are supposedly so happy and content, then why the constant churn of fabricated right wing fearmongering?

You must be joking. Have you even read the OP? How about the dozens and dozens of other doomsday threads started by liberals who actually seem to enjoy fear-mongering? JFC.
NP

I laughed when I saw that post. Fear-mongering is a right wing thing... right. There's plenty of fear-mongering to go around.

I truly think the left has taken fear mongering to a whole new level with the pandemic. Some of the videos I have seen are insane. This is one of the funniest.....

That is a video of a bully purposefully f’ing with a couple of old ladies. What the hell has happened in the world where people get pleasure from watching a bully?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If conservatives are supposedly so happy and content, then why the constant churn of fabricated right wing fearmongering?

You must be joking. Have you even read the OP? How about the dozens and dozens of other doomsday threads started by liberals who actually seem to enjoy fear-mongering? JFC.
NP

I laughed when I saw that post. Fear-mongering is a right wing thing... right. There's plenty of fear-mongering to go around.

And yet... every.single.thread about fear-mongering is started by a LWNJ. How do you explain that?

You've already said that 57 times.

Yet there is thread after thread after thread of RWNJs spewing their side's idiotic fearmongering. You not acknowledging that makes everyone here question your lucidity.

For the record, repeating something over and over does not actually make it true.