CRT clubs in schools

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DD wants to start a club at school to discuss CRT. She has faculty sponsors lined up. I think this is a great idea and wonder if there are any National groups that might underwrite a campaign to do this in many schools?

Teens are extremely interested in CRT after all the fuss over the summer. And now with efforts to ban it, it just piques their interest more

When you say "discuss," do you mean the kind of discussion where there is a diversity of thought and ideas, or the kind where everyone has to agree?

Only people with lived experience of oppression are likely to have a perspective worth hearing. White people should be good allies by listening.

The best satire is the satire you aren't even sure is satire.

Only a$$wipes would joke about systemic racism and oppression.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD wants to start a club at school to discuss CRT. She has faculty sponsors lined up. I think this is a great idea and wonder if there are any National groups that might underwrite a campaign to do this in many schools?

Teens are extremely interested in CRT after all the fuss over the summer. And now with efforts to ban it, it just piques their interest more

When you say "discuss," do you mean the kind of discussion where there is a diversity of thought and ideas, or the kind where everyone has to agree?

Only people with lived experience of oppression are likely to have a perspective worth hearing. White people should be good allies by listening.

The best satire is the satire you aren't even sure is satire.

Poe's Law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD wants to start a club at school to discuss CRT. She has faculty sponsors lined up. I think this is a great idea and wonder if there are any National groups that might underwrite a campaign to do this in many schools?

Teens are extremely interested in CRT after all the fuss over the summer. And now with efforts to ban it, it just piques their interest more

When you say "discuss," do you mean the kind of discussion where there is a diversity of thought and ideas, or the kind where everyone has to agree?

Only people with lived experience of oppression are likely to have a perspective worth hearing. White people should be good allies by listening.

The best satire is the satire you aren't even sure is satire.

Only a$$wipes would joke about systemic racism and oppression.

Yeah, but joking about people who are performatively concerned about addressing such things is fair game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD wants to start a club at school to discuss CRT. She has faculty sponsors lined up. I think this is a great idea and wonder if there are any National groups that might underwrite a campaign to do this in many schools?

Teens are extremely interested in CRT after all the fuss over the summer. And now with efforts to ban it, it just piques their interest more

When you say "discuss," do you mean the kind of discussion where there is a diversity of thought and ideas, or the kind where everyone has to agree?

Only people with lived experience of oppression are likely to have a perspective worth hearing. White people should be good allies by listening.

The best satire is the satire you aren't even sure is satire.

Only a$$wipes would joke about systemic racism and oppression.

Right, but were they joking? We can't be sure.

[Anonymous]

Instead of limiting the focus on CRT, maybe couch it as a Sociology club. This way they could address a broad scope of social topics including but not limited to race, religion and economic status, etc

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Instead of limiting the focus on CRT, maybe couch it as a Sociology club. This way they could address a broad scope of social topics including but not limited to race, religion and economic status, etc

Ah, but you would still have the problem about whether a diversity of thought would be allowed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Instead of limiting the focus on CRT, maybe couch it as a Sociology club. This way they could address a broad scope of social topics including but not limited to race, religion and economic status, etc

Kind of a luxury to be able to treat structural racism as just another debate club topic and have it drowned out by other issues that are higher priorities for white people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Instead of limiting the focus on CRT, maybe couch it as a Sociology club. This way they could address a broad scope of social topics including but not limited to race, religion and economic status, etc

Ah, but you would still have the problem about whether a diversity of thought would be allowed.

Most people who want diversity of thought don't want to hear evidenced-based or logic based challenges. It's not that it's not allowed, it's challenged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Instead of limiting the focus on CRT, maybe couch it as a Sociology club. This way they could address a broad scope of social topics including but not limited to race, religion and economic status, etc

Kind of a luxury to be able to treat structural racism as just another debate club topic and have it drowned out by other issues that are higher priorities for white people.

If there are instances of racism perpetrated by individuals or by organizations (eg redlining) then one can have a course of action to redress it. But for structural racism there no identifiable culprit or even an identifiable course of action except for some top down measure to fix the disparity. In the end that doesn’t really solve anything because it’s not addressing the causes of such disparity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who doesn’t believe children should be taught to see each other as a race first or that every bad result someone gets is due to race, I think a club that actually reads Derrick Ball et. al, their backgrounds, what they base the theory on and opposing arguments would be a great idea and really a lot of fun.

I hope the club is a great experience and helpful to the kids.

Are you a UMC white person who was taught by parents not to see color? Genuine question.

DP but, yeah, "content of their character" was seen as the more relevant measure of an individual.

The sad thing is that nobody gave a crap about character when the southern strategy and the war on drugs were created. It doesn’t matter how nice anybody is when a community is trying to come back from the destruction that those policies created.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Instead of limiting the focus on CRT, maybe couch it as a Sociology club. This way they could address a broad scope of social topics including but not limited to race, religion and economic status, etc

Kind of a luxury to be able to treat structural racism as just another debate club topic and have it drowned out by other issues that are higher priorities for white people.

If there are instances of racism perpetrated by individuals or by organizations (eg redlining) then one can have a course of action to redress it. But for structural racism there no identifiable culprit or even an identifiable course of action except for some top down measure to fix the disparity. In the end that doesn’t really solve anything because it’s not addressing the causes of such disparity.

A better way of putting it is that structural racism doesn't exist, but that there do exist disparities in society of innumerable types.

When a disparity seems unfavorable to some ethnic groups it is labeled "structural racism." The defining characteristic of whether or not a disparity is "structural racism" is entirely in which group appears to be the "loser."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Instead of limiting the focus on CRT, maybe couch it as a Sociology club. This way they could address a broad scope of social topics including but not limited to race, religion and economic status, etc

Ah, but you would still have the problem about whether a diversity of thought would be allowed.

Most people who want diversity of thought don't want to hear evidenced-based or logic based challenges. It's not that it's not allowed, it's challenged.

No, more often than not in modern American the response is not to "challenge" but to censor, shout down, or seek to shame those holding the contrary viewpoint or presenting evidence that doesn't support the narrative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Instead of limiting the focus on CRT, maybe couch it as a Sociology club. This way they could address a broad scope of social topics including but not limited to race, religion and economic status, etc

Kind of a luxury to be able to treat structural racism as just another debate club topic and have it drowned out by other issues that are higher priorities for white people.

If there are instances of racism perpetrated by individuals or by organizations (eg redlining) then one can have a course of action to redress it. But for structural racism there no identifiable culprit or even an identifiable course of action except for some top down measure to fix the disparity. In the end that doesn’t really solve anything because it’s not addressing the causes of such disparity.

A better way of putting it is that structural racism doesn't exist, but that there do exist disparities in society of innumerable types.

When a disparity seems unfavorable to some ethnic groups it is labeled "structural racism." The defining characteristic of whether or not a disparity is "structural racism" is entirely in which group appears to be the "loser."

Yes, you said it better than I did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Instead of limiting the focus on CRT, maybe couch it as a Sociology club. This way they could address a broad scope of social topics including but not limited to race, religion and economic status, etc

Ah, but you would still have the problem about whether a diversity of thought would be allowed.

Why does a club have to allow diversity of thought?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Instead of limiting the focus on CRT, maybe couch it as a Sociology club. This way they could address a broad scope of social topics including but not limited to race, religion and economic status, etc

Ah, but you would still have the problem about whether a diversity of thought would be allowed.

Why does a club have to allow diversity of thought?

I’m just wondering how a school group could prevent “diversity of thought.” What, are they going to muzzle certain folks? If people want to say something they can say it. Of course, other folks get to respond….