CRT clubs in schools

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Well if there’s no rope there’s no problem I guess

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Anonymous wrote:All of you moms and dads who rail against school CRT clubs are totally missing the point and proving it at the same time. When I was in high school we refused to limit my learning to what our parents and our teachers thought we SHOULD learn. We formed clubs, some formal, some informal, that looked critically at blind trust in authority, at the military industrial complex and at civil rights. And we learned more in those clubs (much of which our elders abhorred) than we did in the classroom. And as it turned out, I think our student-led pursuit of truth made a difference in the world in which we live. So complain all you want about CRT clubs. They don't belong to you. They belong to your kids. Do you remember Dylan's song "The Times They are A'Changing"? Google it up and read the lyrics.

Well, you do you, but there is no way I'm permitting my kids to join a "whites only" club, even if it has the fancy "anti-racist ally" claim. Not a good look.

What about a BIPOC-only club?

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So because acknowledging the problem will not produce concrete action, let's not acknowledge the problem? But let's also not acknowledge the problem because it might lead to actions we don't like?

Look, it's ok to say that we don't care about the problem and leave it at that.

Problem acknowledged. Good work everyone. We did it!

Really? Lots of Youngkin voters would tend to disagree.

Ask them, "is racism still a problem in the United States?" and I'll bet most of them would agree that it is.

And then they would say that white people are the victim.

White people are the worst.

But there is no racism against white people

Nope, we redefined racism at the last meeting. Racism is impossible against a dominant racial group. Also, non-white people are rubber and white people are glue.

That's not a redefinition. That you misunderstood the term previously doesn't mean it has been redefined.

Webster's collegiate dictionary, tenth edition copyright 1995 (sitting on my shelf) defines racism as:

2: racial prejudice or discrimination

This definition has fallen out of fashion, as the current definition is more like prejudice plus power

That’s why you need a class for CRT, to learn the “updated” meaning of the words in English language.

Or you could, I don't know, spend 5 seconds googling the word "racism" if you're unclear what it means.

Every person knows what racism is. It follows from the golden rule, do to others what you would have them do to you. It is part of out tradition of equality under the rule of law etc.

The CRT proponents are dishonest because they use this universally accepted foundation to push for preferential treatment for *some* minorities they deem in need of help from the state. The equality principle of the golden rule is replaced with equity, typically just to cover a selfish interest in profiting from the good intent or guilt tripping of others. Look no further than the murky finances of BLM, to get a glimpse of splurging on lavish mansions under the guise of fighting racism. At least the public is waking up to this ruse.

That ... is not what CRT is.

Maybe you shouldn't participate in this conversation anymore since you obviously don't understand what's being discussed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CRT = Equity Theater

Maybe to your simpleton brain.

Watch this:

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The CRT proponents are dishonest because they use this universally accepted foundation to push for preferential treatment for *some* minorities they deem in need of help from the state. The equality principle of the golden rule is replaced with equity, typically just to cover a selfish interest in profiting from the good intent or guilt tripping of others.

That ... is not what CRT is.

DP. I don't know. I think CRT -- or at least the anti-racism and CRT-inspired efforts to deal with the historical effects of racism do push for preferential treatment of some minorities. Asians notably get left out of a lot of discussions. And what can be really off-putting is when a person of color who otherwise has a lot of advantages attempts to use the language of anti-racism to score rhetorical points over white people who might be less advantaged in a number of ways other than race.

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The CRT proponents are dishonest because they use this universally accepted foundation to push for preferential treatment for *some* minorities they deem in need of help from the state. The equality principle of the golden rule is replaced with equity, typically just to cover a selfish interest in profiting from the good intent or guilt tripping of others.

That ... is not what CRT is.

DP. I don't know. I think CRT -- or at least the anti-racism and CRT-inspired efforts to deal with the historical effects of racism do push for preferential treatment of some minorities. Asians notably get left out of a lot of discussions. And what can be really off-putting is when a person of color who otherwise has a lot of advantages attempts to use the language of anti-racism to score rhetorical points over white people who might be less advantaged in a number of ways other than race.

Asians are privileged minorities.

Thus, they too need to be made to understand their role in structural racism in the US, which oppresses BIPOC people.

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The CRT proponents are dishonest because they use this universally accepted foundation to push for preferential treatment for *some* minorities they deem in need of help from the state. The equality principle of the golden rule is replaced with equity, typically just to cover a selfish interest in profiting from the good intent or guilt tripping of others.

That ... is not what CRT is.

DP. I don't know. I think CRT -- or at least the anti-racism and CRT-inspired efforts to deal with the historical effects of racism do push for preferential treatment of some minorities. Asians notably get left out of a lot of discussions. And what can be really off-putting is when a person of color who otherwise has a lot of advantages attempts to use the language of anti-racism to score rhetorical points over white people who might be less advantaged in a number of ways other than race.

Your discomfort with this is not relevant to anything, though. That's the point. Its not like your viewpoint is valid.

Watch the John Oliver video.

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So because acknowledging the problem will not produce concrete action, let's not acknowledge the problem? But let's also not acknowledge the problem because it might lead to actions we don't like?

Look, it's ok to say that we don't care about the problem and leave it at that.

Problem acknowledged. Good work everyone. We did it!

Really? Lots of Youngkin voters would tend to disagree.

Ask them, "is racism still a problem in the United States?" and I'll bet most of them would agree that it is.

And then they would say that white people are the victim.

White people are the worst.

But there is no racism against white people

Nope, we redefined racism at the last meeting. Racism is impossible against a dominant racial group. Also, non-white people are rubber and white people are glue.

That's not a redefinition. That you misunderstood the term previously doesn't mean it has been redefined.

Webster's collegiate dictionary, tenth edition copyright 1995 (sitting on my shelf) defines racism as:

2: racial prejudice or discrimination

This definition has fallen out of fashion, as the current definition is more like prejudice plus power

That’s why you need a class for CRT, to learn the “updated” meaning of the words in English language.

Or you could, I don't know, spend 5 seconds googling the word "racism" if you're unclear what it means.

Every person knows what racism is. It follows from the golden rule, do to others what you would have them do to you. It is part of out tradition of equality under the rule of law etc.

The CRT proponents are dishonest because they use this universally accepted foundation to push for preferential treatment for *some* minorities they deem in need of help from the state. The equality principle of the golden rule is replaced with equity, typically just to cover a selfish interest in profiting from the good intent or guilt tripping of others. Look no further than the murky finances of BLM, to get a glimpse of splurging on lavish mansions under the guise of fighting racism. At least the public is waking up to this ruse.

That ... is not what CRT is.

Maybe you shouldn't participate in this conversation anymore since you obviously don't understand what's being discussed.

DP

CRT means different things to different people. People on the right use it as a catch all.

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The CRT proponents are dishonest because they use this universally accepted foundation to push for preferential treatment for *some* minorities they deem in need of help from the state. The equality principle of the golden rule is replaced with equity, typically just to cover a selfish interest in profiting from the good intent or guilt tripping of others.

That ... is not what CRT is.

DP. I don't know. I think CRT -- or at least the anti-racism and CRT-inspired efforts to deal with the historical effects of racism do push for preferential treatment of some minorities. Asians notably get left out of a lot of discussions. And what can be really off-putting is when a person of color who otherwise has a lot of advantages attempts to use the language of anti-racism to score rhetorical points over white people who might be less advantaged in a number of ways other than race.

Your discomfort with this is not relevant to anything, though. That's the point. Its not like your viewpoint is valid.

Watch the John Oliver video.

That's right, only viewpoints that agree with yours are valid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The CRT proponents are dishonest because they use this universally accepted foundation to push for preferential treatment for *some* minorities they deem in need of help from the state. The equality principle of the golden rule is replaced with equity, typically just to cover a selfish interest in profiting from the good intent or guilt tripping of others.

That ... is not what CRT is.

DP. I don't know. I think CRT -- or at least the anti-racism and CRT-inspired efforts to deal with the historical effects of racism do push for preferential treatment of some minorities. Asians notably get left out of a lot of discussions. And what can be really off-putting is when a person of color who otherwise has a lot of advantages attempts to use the language of anti-racism to score rhetorical points over white people who might be less advantaged in a number of ways other than race.

Asians are privileged minorities.

Thus, they too need to be made to understand their role in structural racism in the US, which oppresses BIPOC people.

Please give me a break - how many asians were killed by colonial powers and bombed by the USA including BIPOC US citiizens in the US armed forces. The arms race of oppression wouldn't leave many asians behind let me tell you. Just reflects your own ignorance of asian history to claim otherwise. CRT is a joke and completely inconsistent. The average African American in the US makes 10x the salary and has 10x the economic power of any new educated immigrant from many Asian countries - to claim a particular oppression and deny that of others is typical of the entitlement race that CRT is based on. It's just a spoils system dressed up as a moral ideal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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The CRT proponents are dishonest because they use this universally accepted foundation to push for preferential treatment for *some* minorities they deem in need of help from the state. The equality principle of the golden rule is replaced with equity, typically just to cover a selfish interest in profiting from the good intent or guilt tripping of others.

That ... is not what CRT is.

DP. I don't know. I think CRT -- or at least the anti-racism and CRT-inspired efforts to deal with the historical effects of racism do push for preferential treatment of some minorities. Asians notably get left out of a lot of discussions. And what can be really off-putting is when a person of color who otherwise has a lot of advantages attempts to use the language of anti-racism to score rhetorical points over white people who might be less advantaged in a number of ways other than race.

Asians are privileged minorities.

Thus, they too need to be made to understand their role in structural racism in the US, which oppresses BIPOC people.

Please give me a break - how many asians were killed by colonial powers and bombed by the USA including BIPOC US citiizens in the US armed forces. The arms race of oppression wouldn't leave many asians behind let me tell you. Just reflects your own ignorance of asian history to claim otherwise. CRT is a joke and completely inconsistent. The average African American in the US makes 10x the salary and has 10x the economic power of any new educated citizen who lives in (and future immigrant from) many Asian countries - to claim a particular oppression and deny that of others is typical of the entitlement race that CRT is based on. It's just a spoils system dressed up as a moral ideal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All of you moms and dads who rail against school CRT clubs are totally missing the point and proving it at the same time. When I was in high school we refused to limit my learning to what our parents and our teachers thought we SHOULD learn. We formed clubs, some formal, some informal, that looked critically at blind trust in authority, at the military industrial complex and at civil rights. And we learned more in those clubs (much of which our elders abhorred) than we did in the classroom. And as it turned out, I think our student-led pursuit of truth made a difference in the world in which we live. So complain all you want about CRT clubs. They don't belong to you. They belong to your kids. Do you remember Dylan's song "The Times They are A'Changing"? Google it up and read the lyrics.

Well, you do you, but there is no way I'm permitting my kids to join a "whites only" club, even if it has the fancy "anti-racist ally" claim. Not a good look.

What about a BIPOC-only club?

My kids are not BIPOC so I guess they wouldn't be eligible. I don't judge others who do it; however, if I had BIPOC children I would feel the same way and would not let them participate. The last thing we need is more divisiveness, which is all this is.

[Anonymous]

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The CRT proponents are dishonest because they use this universally accepted foundation to push for preferential treatment for *some* minorities they deem in need of help from the state. The equality principle of the golden rule is replaced with equity, typically just to cover a selfish interest in profiting from the good intent or guilt tripping of others.

That ... is not what CRT is.

DP. I don't know. I think CRT -- or at least the anti-racism and CRT-inspired efforts to deal with the historical effects of racism do push for preferential treatment of some minorities. Asians notably get left out of a lot of discussions. And what can be really off-putting is when a person of color who otherwise has a lot of advantages attempts to use the language of anti-racism to score rhetorical points over white people who might be less advantaged in a number of ways other than race.

Asians are privileged minorities.

Thus, they too need to be made to understand their role in structural racism in the US, which oppresses BIPOC people.

Wow. You have a lot of hate in your life, don't you? How dare you state categorically that "Asians" in general are "privileged minorities." I have many friends of that background who have the life evidence to disprove this.

[Anonymous]

Good lord.

+ one million

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The CRT proponents are dishonest because they use this universally accepted foundation to push for preferential treatment for *some* minorities they deem in need of help from the state. The equality principle of the golden rule is replaced with equity, typically just to cover a selfish interest in profiting from the good intent or guilt tripping of others.

That ... is not what CRT is.

DP. I don't know. I think CRT -- or at least the anti-racism and CRT-inspired efforts to deal with the historical effects of racism do push for preferential treatment of some minorities. Asians notably get left out of a lot of discussions. And what can be really off-putting is when a person of color who otherwise has a lot of advantages attempts to use the language of anti-racism to score rhetorical points over white people who might be less advantaged in a number of ways other than race.

Asians are privileged minorities.

Thus, they too need to be made to understand their role in structural racism in the US, which oppresses BIPOC people.

Please give me a break - how many asians were killed by colonial powers and bombed by the USA including BIPOC US citiizens in the US armed forces. The arms race of oppression wouldn't leave many asians behind let me tell you. Just reflects your own ignorance of asian history to claim otherwise. CRT is a joke and completely inconsistent. The average African American in the US makes 10x the salary and has 10x the economic power of any new educated immigrant from many Asian countries - to claim a particular oppression and deny that of others is typical of the entitlement race that CRT is based on. It's just a spoils system dressed up as a moral ideal.

+1. I agree with PP *and* I think that we should teach about the good and bad parts of our history. So, I'm not sure where I fit in the political discussion. Anti-racism advocates seem to frequently claim that opposition to CRT and anti-racism is an effort to suppress unflattering history. So, I'm not part of that crowd. On the other hand, anti-racists say that if you're not with them, you're a racist. So, I guess I'm a racist who very much thinks that people should learn about things like the Topeka Massacre.