CRT clubs in schools

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DP. Just to make it easier to follow.

June 2020 ADL definition: "Racism is the belief that a particular race is superior or inferior to another, that a person’s social and moral traits are predetermined by his or her inborn biological characteristics. Racial separatism is the belief, most of the time based on racism, that different races should remain segregated and apart from one another."

September 2020 ADL definition: "The marginalization and/or oppression of people of color based on a socially constructed racial hierarchy that privileges white people."

Yes, it is ridiculous.

+1 I dont even understand the point of changing the definition of racism. We all know what it is, definition 1 above. Anyone can be racist. If you want to invent a new term about marginalization that specifically affects black people, call it something else.

Because people care about being labeled as racist, but wouldn’t give a crap being called systemic oppressor of marginalized communities.

You're probably right that this was the motivation. But the actual effect is that people are less concerned about being called racist. If everything's racist, then nothing is. And that empowers the actual racists (under definition 1).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. Just to make it easier to follow.

June 2020 ADL definition: "Racism is the belief that a particular race is superior or inferior to another, that a person’s social and moral traits are predetermined by his or her inborn biological characteristics. Racial separatism is the belief, most of the time based on racism, that different races should remain segregated and apart from one another."

September 2020 ADL definition: "The marginalization and/or oppression of people of color based on a socially constructed racial hierarchy that privileges white people."

Yes, it is ridiculous.

+1 I dont even understand the point of changing the definition of racism. We all know what it is, definition 1 above. Anyone can be racist. If you want to invent a new term about marginalization that specifically affects black people, call it something else.

Because people care about being labeled as racist, but wouldn’t give a crap being called systemic oppressor of marginalized communities.

You're probably right that this was the motivation. But the actual effect is that people are less concerned about being called racist. If everything's racist, then nothing is. And that empowers the actual racists (under definition 1).

You mean, the racists are less concerned about being called racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. Just to make it easier to follow.

June 2020 ADL definition: "Racism is the belief that a particular race is superior or inferior to another, that a person’s social and moral traits are predetermined by his or her inborn biological characteristics. Racial separatism is the belief, most of the time based on racism, that different races should remain segregated and apart from one another."

September 2020 ADL definition: "The marginalization and/or oppression of people of color based on a socially constructed racial hierarchy that privileges white people."

Yes, it is ridiculous.

+1 I dont even understand the point of changing the definition of racism. We all know what it is, definition 1 above. Anyone can be racist. If you want to invent a new term about marginalization that specifically affects black people, call it something else.

Because people care about being labeled as racist, but wouldn’t give a crap being called systemic oppressor of marginalized communities.

You're probably right that this was the motivation. But the actual effect is that people are less concerned about being called racist. If everything's racist, then nothing is. And that empowers the actual racists (under definition 1).

I think non-racists as well. I think it has been a process. When we were still firmly under definition 1, non-racists weren't really concerned about being called racist because they weren't anywhere in that neighborhood. Initially, as the term "racist" grew ever broader, the possibility of attracting the label made non-racists nervous. But as the broad definition has been around for awhile and it's clear that the term gets thrown around glibly by some people, it's less of a concern. At some point, the label just becomes noise.

You mean, the racists are less concerned about being called racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. Just to make it easier to follow.

June 2020 ADL definition: "Racism is the belief that a particular race is superior or inferior to another, that a person’s social and moral traits are predetermined by his or her inborn biological characteristics. Racial separatism is the belief, most of the time based on racism, that different races should remain segregated and apart from one another."

September 2020 ADL definition: "The marginalization and/or oppression of people of color based on a socially constructed racial hierarchy that privileges white people."

Yes, it is ridiculous.

+1 I dont even understand the point of changing the definition of racism. We all know what it is, definition 1 above. Anyone can be racist. If you want to invent a new term about marginalization that specifically affects black people, call it something else.

Because people care about being labeled as racist, but wouldn’t give a crap being called systemic oppressor of marginalized communities.

You're probably right that this was the motivation. But the actual effect is that people are less concerned about being called racist. If everything's racist, then nothing is. And that empowers the actual racists (under definition 1).

I think non-racists as well. I think it has been a process. When we were still firmly under definition 1, non-racists weren't really concerned about being called racist because they weren't anywhere in that neighborhood. Initially, as the term "racist" grew ever broader, the possibility of attracting the label made non-racists nervous. But as the broad definition has been around for awhile and it's clear that the term gets thrown around glibly by some people, it's less of a concern. At some point, the label just becomes noise.

You mean, the racists are less concerned about being called racist.

When you overuse a word, it looses it's potency.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. Just to make it easier to follow.

June 2020 ADL definition: "Racism is the belief that a particular race is superior or inferior to another, that a person’s social and moral traits are predetermined by his or her inborn biological characteristics. Racial separatism is the belief, most of the time based on racism, that different races should remain segregated and apart from one another."

September 2020 ADL definition: "The marginalization and/or oppression of people of color based on a socially constructed racial hierarchy that privileges white people."

Yes, it is ridiculous.

+1 I dont even understand the point of changing the definition of racism. We all know what it is, definition 1 above. Anyone can be racist. If you want to invent a new term about marginalization that specifically affects black people, call it something else.

Because people care about being labeled as racist, but wouldn’t give a crap being called systemic oppressor of marginalized communities.

You're probably right that this was the motivation. But the actual effect is that people are less concerned about being called racist. If everything's racist, then nothing is. And that empowers the actual racists (under definition 1).

You mean, the racists are less concerned about being called racist.

But under the revised definition, only whites can be racist.

This needs to be taught in school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. Just to make it easier to follow.

June 2020 ADL definition: "Racism is the belief that a particular race is superior or inferior to another, that a person’s social and moral traits are predetermined by his or her inborn biological characteristics. Racial separatism is the belief, most of the time based on racism, that different races should remain segregated and apart from one another."

September 2020 ADL definition: "The marginalization and/or oppression of people of color based on a socially constructed racial hierarchy that privileges white people."

Yes, it is ridiculous.

+1 I dont even understand the point of changing the definition of racism. We all know what it is, definition 1 above. Anyone can be racist. If you want to invent a new term about marginalization that specifically affects black people, call it something else.

Because people care about being labeled as racist, but wouldn’t give a crap being called systemic oppressor of marginalized communities.

You're probably right that this was the motivation. But the actual effect is that people are less concerned about being called racist. If everything's racist, then nothing is. And that empowers the actual racists (under definition 1).

You mean, the racists are less concerned about being called racist.

But under the revised definition, only whites can be racist.

This needs to be taught in school.

I agree its an excellent history lesson of how you can manipulate people by shifting definitions and show that 1984 can happen.

[Anonymous]

CRT = Equity Theater

[Anonymous]

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Teens are extremely interested in CRT after all the fuss over the summer. And now with efforts to ban it, it just piques their interest more

Really? My teen and his friends do not seem interested in CRT at all. He's gay, as are many of his friends, and they are interested in LGBQT issues, as well as typical teen stuff.

Really? Because the point of CRT is that society, institutions and government define race. Those same institutions have also codified your son and rights and privileges' he may or may not enjoy due simply to his sexual preference that some intuitions demand to be labeled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CRT = Equity Theater

It's easier to present this stuff than solve the achievement gap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Teens are extremely interested in CRT after all the fuss over the summer. And now with efforts to ban it, it just piques their interest more

Really? My teen and his friends do not seem interested in CRT at all. He's gay, as are many of his friends, and they are interested in LGBQT issues, as well as typical teen stuff.

Really? Because the point of CRT is that society, institutions and government define race. Those same institutions have also codified your son and rights and privileges' he may or may not enjoy due simply to his sexual preference that some intuitions demand to be labeled.

Having an amorphous, faceless Other as the enemy is terribly useful. You can shuffle individuals you don't like in and out of the enemy category at will. And it's a shadowy, lurking presence that can be ridiculed or described as fearful as happens to be convenient for keeping your followers cohesive.

[Anonymous]

Contact SURJ - They have tons of resources and experience with discussion groups about race issues.

[Anonymous]

All of you moms and dads who rail against school CRT clubs are totally missing the point and proving it at the same time. When I was in high school we refused to limit my learning to what our parents and our teachers thought we SHOULD learn. We formed clubs, some formal, some informal, that looked critically at blind trust in authority, at the military industrial complex and at civil rights. And we learned more in those clubs (much of which our elders abhorred) than we did in the classroom. And as it turned out, I think our student-led pursuit of truth made a difference in the world in which we live. So complain all you want about CRT clubs. They don't belong to you. They belong to your kids. Do you remember Dylan's song "The Times They are A'Changing"? Google it up and read the lyrics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of you moms and dads who rail against school CRT clubs are totally missing the point and proving it at the same time. When I was in high school we refused to limit my learning to what our parents and our teachers thought we SHOULD learn. We formed clubs, some formal, some informal, that looked critically at blind trust in authority, at the military industrial complex and at civil rights. And we learned more in those clubs (much of which our elders abhorred) than we did in the classroom. And as it turned out, I think our student-led pursuit of truth made a difference in the world in which we live. So complain all you want about CRT clubs. They don't belong to you. They belong to your kids. Do you remember Dylan's song "The Times They are A'Changing"? Google it up and read the lyrics.

So you think the world today is in a better place than it used to be?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of you moms and dads who rail against school CRT clubs are totally missing the point and proving it at the same time. When I was in high school we refused to limit my learning to what our parents and our teachers thought we SHOULD learn. We formed clubs, some formal, some informal, that looked critically at blind trust in authority, at the military industrial complex and at civil rights. And we learned more in those clubs (much of which our elders abhorred) than we did in the classroom. And as it turned out, I think our student-led pursuit of truth made a difference in the world in which we live. So complain all you want about CRT clubs. They don't belong to you. They belong to your kids. Do you remember Dylan's song "The Times They are A'Changing"? Google it up and read the lyrics.

Well, you do you, but there is no way I'm permitting my kids to join a "whites only" club, even if it has the fancy "anti-racist ally" claim. Not a good look.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of you moms and dads who rail against school CRT clubs are totally missing the point and proving it at the same time. When I was in high school we refused to limit my learning to what our parents and our teachers thought we SHOULD learn. We formed clubs, some formal, some informal, that looked critically at blind trust in authority, at the military industrial complex and at civil rights. And we learned more in those clubs (much of which our elders abhorred) than we did in the classroom. And as it turned out, I think our student-led pursuit of truth made a difference in the world in which we live. So complain all you want about CRT clubs. They don't belong to you. They belong to your kids. Do you remember Dylan's song "The Times They are A'Changing"? Google it up and read the lyrics.

So you think the world today is in a better place than it used to be?

Absolutely. Ain’t no lynchings happ’nin round here no mo h0