Things public schools no longer teach and why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

No grammar, pretty much no spelling, no cursive (I can live with that), no structured writing/composition program. So, so terrible. Kids at "highly sought after" FCPS AAP center.

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No punctuation whatsoever. The grammar instruction was nonexistent. When my DDs left FCPS AAP after 5th grade, they did not know the parts of speech. But they sure could make a Powerpoint.

If schools teach Powerpoint, do they also teach 10-key typing in Word and formula/charts in Excel?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

No grammar, pretty much no spelling, no cursive (I can live with that), no structured writing/composition program. So, so terrible. Kids at "highly sought after" FCPS AAP center.

+1

No punctuation whatsoever. The grammar instruction was nonexistent. When my DDs left FCPS AAP after 5th grade, they did not know the parts of speech. But they sure could make a Powerpoint.

So what’s the problem? Making a PowerPoint is a future job skill. The interviewer won’t quiz her on parts of speech. When is the last time someone (not a child) asked you if a word was a noun, verb, etc.

(Jk)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No grammar, pretty much no spelling, no cursive (I can live with that), no structured writing/composition program. So, so terrible. Kids at "highly sought after" FCPS AAP center.

+1

No punctuation whatsoever. The grammar instruction was nonexistent. When my DDs left FCPS AAP after 5th grade, they did not know the parts of speech. But they sure could make a Powerpoint.

If schools teach Powerpoint, do they also teach 10-key typing in Word and formula/charts in Excel?

In MS. It’s an elective class they can take.

[Anonymous]

Seriously? Someone doesn’t think that kids need to learn the parts of speech!?! This is basic English instruction. It is the basis for learning to speak and write fluently - as well as to understand how to learn a foreign language.

Kids need to learn something other than computer and STEM.

[Anonymous]

Oops, sorry - just saw the (jk)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP the answer is multi-layered but this article touches on one of the issues.

Why So Many Kids Struggle to Learn: Teachers continue to be trained in ways that ignore the findings of cognitive science
https://theamericanscholar.org/why-so-many-kids-struggle-to-learn/


"In recent decades, teacher-educators have drawn a dichotomy between the “cognitive” model, or framework, and the “sociocultural” one, rejecting the former and embracing the latter. In ed school usage, “cognitive” refers not to the principles advanced by DfI, which are premised on relatively recent research, but to any theory of learning that emphasizes cognition. The sociocultural model focuses on the learner’s interaction with teachers and others and the influence of culture—specifically cultures that have been historically marginalized.

In theory, the models could be combined; no cognitive scientist would deny that interaction and culture play a role in learning, and presumably most educators acknowledge that cognition has some importance. Beyond that, both models see prior knowledge as central to learning. But the sociocultural model prioritizes the knowledge students acquire from their own communities, whereas the cognitive framework emphasizes knowledge relating to whatever students are expected to learn next. Disagreements over what content to include in the curriculum have complicated and politicized the issue."

thank you for this link! Excellent read!

[Anonymous]

I am not from here. I learned English as second language back home with recognizing part of speech, punctuation, grammar, tenses, and structured writing (with diagram to show main idea, supporting ideas and examples) etc. It is boring, but it kinds of work to teach me English. I learned cursive writing and calligraphy with ink pen back home as well.
I hand written the wedding envelopes with my beautiful writing. Back home, we even taught to cook, used sewing machine, sew with needles. Knitting and typwriting in public middle school.

Where can I get those part of speech book online here?

And, what are considered "social studies " here ?

I am still confused with punctuation rule in America because I think it is a bit different from what I have learned, any recommendation?

For spelling, I hear that if you are good at phonics, you don't need spelling list by pure memorization, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s always amusing when people post nostalgia for they way they were taught, as if those archaic methods were superior.

Always amusing when we, as a country, are not doing our best to educate our children. https://theamericanscholar.org/why-so-many-kids-struggle-to-learn/

Let’s follow the science, shall we? And not some nostalgic way of teaching teachers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s always amusing when people post nostalgia for they way they were taught, as if those archaic methods were superior.

Always amusing when we, as a country, are not doing our best to educate our children. https://theamericanscholar.org/why-so-many-kids-struggle-to-learn/

Let’s follow the science, shall we? And not some nostalgic way of teaching teachers.

Yup. We should model our educational strategies after those in countries that are outperforming our system. Finland is a good one to copy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s always amusing when people post nostalgia for they way they were taught, as if those archaic methods were superior.

Always amusing when we, as a country, are not doing our best to educate our children. https://theamericanscholar.org/why-so-many-kids-struggle-to-learn/

Let’s follow the science, shall we? And not some nostalgic way of teaching teachers.

Yup. We should model our educational strategies after those in countries that are outperforming our system. Finland is a good one to copy.

They are probably outperforming us because they don't expect schools to solve social ills. Do they have a lot of childhood poverty in Finland? I doubt it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s always amusing when people post nostalgia for they way they were taught, as if those archaic methods were superior.

Always amusing when we, as a country, are not doing our best to educate our children. https://theamericanscholar.org/why-so-many-kids-struggle-to-learn/

Let’s follow the science, shall we? And not some nostalgic way of teaching teachers.

Yup. We should model our educational strategies after those in countries that are outperforming our system. Finland is a good one to copy.

They are probably outperforming us because they don't expect schools to solve social ills. Do they have a lot of childhood poverty in Finland? I doubt it.

Exactly. Progressives like to drone on about the school to prison pipeline which doesn't exist. It's a crappy home life or crappy neighborhood or even crappy culture to prison pipeline. In typical form, progressives expect the state to solve these problems when it's impossible and then blame the state for failing. They then lobby to change the system that works quite well for the kids who are willing to put in the effort to benefit the kids who are just there to cause trouble. It's a race to the bottom.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s always amusing when people post nostalgia for they way they were taught, as if those archaic methods were superior.

Always amusing when we, as a country, are not doing our best to educate our children. https://theamericanscholar.org/why-so-many-kids-struggle-to-learn/

Let’s follow the science, shall we? And not some nostalgic way of teaching teachers.

Yup. We should model our educational strategies after those in countries that are outperforming our system. Finland is a good one to copy.

They are probably outperforming us because they don't expect schools to solve social ills. Do they have a lot of childhood poverty in Finland? I doubt it.

The kids are very well raised in Finland. They can read by the time they’re sent to school and they all know how to follow the rules and behave.

There’s a video on YouTube of a highly ranked teacher from Finland who goes to the UK to teach for a week in an urban school and is absolutely shocked by the low standards of the kids and their awful behavior. She said she’s never seen anything like it where she’s from.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No grammar, pretty much no spelling, no cursive (I can live with that), no structured writing/composition program. So, so terrible. Kids at "highly sought after" FCPS AAP center.

+1

No punctuation whatsoever. The grammar instruction was nonexistent. When my DDs left FCPS AAP after 5th grade, they did not know the parts of speech. But they sure could make a Powerpoint.

So what’s the problem? Making a PowerPoint is a future job skill. The interviewer won’t quiz her on parts of speech. When is the last time someone (not a child) asked you if a word was a noun, verb, etc.

(Jk)

Well, I'm in communications, so pretty much every day. Interviewing for entry-level marcom positions is awful. None of these kids can write anymore.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s always amusing when people post nostalgia for they way they were taught, as if those archaic methods were superior.

Always amusing when we, as a country, are not doing our best to educate our children. https://theamericanscholar.org/why-so-many-kids-struggle-to-learn/

Let’s follow the science, shall we? And not some nostalgic way of teaching teachers.

Yup. We should model our educational strategies after those in countries that are outperforming our system. Finland is a good one to copy.

They are probably outperforming us because they don't expect schools to solve social ills. Do they have a lot of childhood poverty in Finland? I doubt it.

Exactly. Progressives like to drone on about the school to prison pipeline which doesn't exist. It's a crappy home life or crappy neighborhood or even crappy culture to prison pipeline. In typical form, progressives expect the state to solve these problems when it's impossible and then blame the state for failing. They then lobby to change the system that works quite well for the kids who are willing to put in the effort to benefit the kids who are just there to cause trouble. It's a race to the bottom.

Finland's government programs *have* helped with these problems.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s always amusing when people post nostalgia for they way they were taught, as if those archaic methods were superior.

Always amusing when we, as a country, are not doing our best to educate our children. https://theamericanscholar.org/why-so-many-kids-struggle-to-learn/

Let’s follow the science, shall we? And not some nostalgic way of teaching teachers.

Yup. We should model our educational strategies after those in countries that are outperforming our system. Finland is a good one to copy.

They are probably outperforming us because they don't expect schools to solve social ills. Do they have a lot of childhood poverty in Finland? I doubt it.

Exactly. Progressives like to drone on about the school to prison pipeline which doesn't exist. It's a crappy home life or crappy neighborhood or even crappy culture to prison pipeline. In typical form, progressives expect the state to solve these problems when it's impossible and then blame the state for failing. They then lobby to change the system that works quite well for the kids who are willing to put in the effort to benefit the kids who are just there to cause trouble. It's a race to the bottom.

Finland's government programs *have* helped with these problems.

Finland’s “problems” are a drop in the bucket compared to ours.

We have a significant percentage of our population who honestly thinks that the rest of us OWE them. That entitlement is the problem with our country. And more social programs only creates more entitlement.

Finland just doesn’t have that large scale entitlement. People in Finland think that raising their kids is their own responsibility. We should start there.