What "serious incident" happened this morning 11/19 at BCC?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid told me that a kid was hit in the head with a chair. Horrifying. Expulsion should ensue if witnesses can corroborate this.

I do not think expulsion exists. Suspension does not really even exist.

It’s against the law to expel a student from public school since the state has a duty to educate them. Mcps used to have several alternative schools for those who couldn’t behave in a traditional classroom. Because these schools turned out mostly black they were shuttered. Now they just keep them home for a week or switch schools.

Exactly this. We have thrown out the baby with the bath water. The result is ghat kids who are potential shooters or have been expelled from other schools are just shuffled around with no real support or consequences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid told me that a kid was hit in the head with a chair. Horrifying. Expulsion should ensue if witnesses can corroborate this.

I do not think expulsion exists. Suspension does not really even exist.

It’s against the law to expel a student from public school since the state has a duty to educate them. Mcps used to have several alternative schools for those who couldn’t behave in a traditional classroom. Because these schools turned out mostly black they were shuttered. Now they just keep them home for a week or switch schools.

Exactly this. We have thrown out the baby with the bath water. The result is ghat kids who are potential shooters or have been expelled from other schools are just shuffled around with no real support or consequences.

They can form a virtual program for those kids. They are required to provide an education, does not have to be in person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid told me that a kid was hit in the head with a chair. Horrifying. Expulsion should ensue if witnesses can corroborate this.

I do not think expulsion exists. Suspension does not really even exist.

It’s against the law to expel a student from public school since the state has a duty to educate them. Mcps used to have several alternative schools for those who couldn’t behave in a traditional classroom. Because these schools turned out mostly black they were shuttered. Now they just keep them home for a week or switch schools.

Exactly this. We have thrown out the baby with the bath water. The result is ghat kids who are potential shooters or have been expelled from other schools are just shuffled around with no real support or consequences.

They can form a virtual program for those kids. They are required to provide an education, does not have to be in person.

+1,000. Problem solved. If your kid won’t behave, enjoy having them back in your living room.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So... what actually happened?

The rumor is that one boy was gently teasing another. That kid went nuts and started beating the crap out of the teaser with a chair, to the point where he was hospitalized. Then he ran off, so the school was put into lockdown.

I don't think metal detectors are helpful if the weapon of choice is a chair. What is needed is better mental health interventions, and removing children with this kind of disposition to more secure facilities where they can be catered for more appropriately.

Sounds like he was being bullied. Not gently teased.

Can’t make that assumption based on what PP wrote. Not all teasing is considered bullying.

[Anonymous]

NP here: The story I heard from my BCC student is that the kid who committed the assault had previously been in some kind of trouble and sent to some other school or disciplinary program but now is back at BCC. A younger kid said something about that to him in music class, and the older one started beating him with a chair.

I'm a parent, not an "outside agitator," btw, and in my view this was not a "minor scuffle" nor does it have anything to do with bullying. No student who explodes in the middle of the school day and beats a younger classmate badly enough to need hospitalization should be anywhere near a regular MCPS high school. That shouldn't be remotely controversial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP here: The story I heard from my BCC student is that the kid who committed the assault had previously been in some kind of trouble and sent to some other school or disciplinary program but now is back at BCC. A younger kid said something about that to him in music class, and the older one started beating him with a chair.

I'm a parent, not an "outside agitator," btw, and in my view this was not a "minor scuffle" nor does it have anything to do with bullying. No student who explodes in the middle of the school day and beats a younger classmate badly enough to need hospitalization should be anywhere near a regular MCPS high school. That shouldn't be remotely controversial.

I heard the same story from my child. Despite the accusations above, I am not a paid agitator.

Honestly I think something is wrong when any criticism of the left is treated as russian propaganda. Matt Yglesias made a tweet about dems needing to take parents’ concerns seriously, and the responses all confirmed what he was saying: he is accused of being a stooge for Fox News propaganda etc…

Ensuring our kids get a quality education is the most important thing to many of us. More important than trying to ensure that there is no equality gap or that discipline measures don’t disproportionately affect some segments of society.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP here: The story I heard from my BCC student is that the kid who committed the assault had previously been in some kind of trouble and sent to some other school or disciplinary program but now is back at BCC. A younger kid said something about that to him in music class, and the older one started beating him with a chair.

I'm a parent, not an "outside agitator," btw, and in my view this was not a "minor scuffle" nor does it have anything to do with bullying. No student who explodes in the middle of the school day and beats a younger classmate badly enough to need hospitalization should be anywhere near a regular MCPS high school. That shouldn't be remotely controversial.

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If I were the younger kids parents, I'd press charges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid told me that a kid was hit in the head with a chair. Horrifying. Expulsion should ensue if witnesses can corroborate this.

I do not think expulsion exists. Suspension does not really even exist.

It’s against the law to expel a student from public school since the state has a duty to educate them. Mcps used to have several alternative schools for those who couldn’t behave in a traditional classroom. Because these schools turned out mostly black they were shuttered. Now they just keep them home for a week or switch schools.

Exactly this. We have thrown out the baby with the bath water. The result is ghat kids who are potential shooters or have been expelled from other schools are just shuffled around with no real support or consequences.

They can form a virtual program for those kids. They are required to provide an education, does not have to be in person.

+1,000. Problem solved. If your kid won’t behave, enjoy having them back in your living room.

This plus mental health and family intentervention.

[Anonymous]

Although some children are violent, the flip side to this is if a clever student or even a discontented teacher or staff member ever "pranks" a child, that child is toast.

MCPS never admits fault and is never guilty of anything. They only blame children and parents (and will leave that impression even if it is false), which will make it very convenient for the school, but that child has no hope of a future whatsoever.

Every parent wants security - unless this ever happens to their child.

A measured response is more appropriate. Deal with the incident and behavior on a child-by-child basis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Although some children are violent, the flip side to this is if a clever student or even a discontented teacher or staff member ever "pranks" a child, that child is toast.

MCPS never admits fault and is never guilty of anything. They only blame children and parents (and will leave that impression even if it is false), which will make it very convenient for the school, but that child has no hope of a future whatsoever.

Every parent wants security - unless this ever happens to their child.

A measured response is more appropriate. Deal with the incident and behavior on a child-by-child basis.

What's a measured response to beating a child with a chair?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP here: The story I heard from my BCC student is that the kid who committed the assault had previously been in some kind of trouble and sent to some other school or disciplinary program but now is back at BCC. A younger kid said something about that to him in music class, and the older one started beating him with a chair.

I'm a parent, not an "outside agitator," btw, and in my view this was not a "minor scuffle" nor does it have anything to do with bullying. No student who explodes in the middle of the school day and beats a younger classmate badly enough to need hospitalization should be anywhere near a regular MCPS high school. That shouldn't be remotely controversial.

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If I were the younger kids parents, I'd press charges.

+1 and maybe sue the school if they knew this kid was violent. And I'm not normally a sue happy person, but school admins need to stop passing the "buck" around. Why are our children being held hostage in the classrooms by these problem students?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So... what actually happened?

The rumor is that one boy was gently teasing another. That kid went nuts and started beating the crap out of the teaser with a chair, to the point where he was hospitalized. Then he ran off, so the school was put into lockdown.

I don't think metal detectors are helpful if the weapon of choice is a chair. What is needed is better mental health interventions, and removing children with this kind of disposition to more secure facilities where they can be catered for more appropriately.

They are good for knives and guns.

Mental health interventions would not help. This kid was probably teased for years and go to the breaking point. We need to address the issues, like this kid being teased for years, not just put a bandaid via a quick therapy session.

What are you talking about? You have no idea that this kid was being teased for years. That is something you have literally just made up.
It could be that this kid was not being bullied, but is mentally unstable and has a history of violent behavior, and a relatively innocent comment set him off.

In which case, I agree a quick therapy session would not solve anything, but removing him from the general population and putting him in a more suitable setting would be the solution...

There is no such thing as being “gently teased”. Words hurt. Sure, violence is never an answer, but the kid in the hospital is not an innocent victim.

Wtf, of course there is. Kids make mildly reading jokes all the time, all day long. You are a victim blaming idiot unless you have specific knowledge the assailant was actually being bullied.

Look, if your brat is teasing and cannot read social cues of others that its making them uncomfortable, you need to parent your kid better and get them social skills training. This was probably bullying and the kid who attacked had enough. If the bully is bullying all day, every day, there is some merit to the other child snapping. It usually has to be pretty bad to go that far. Maybe your brat will learn from this.

Okay, Mrs. Klebold.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So... what actually happened?

The rumor is that one boy was gently teasing another. That kid went nuts and started beating the crap out of the teaser with a chair, to the point where he was hospitalized. Then he ran off, so the school was put into lockdown.

I don't think metal detectors are helpful if the weapon of choice is a chair. What is needed is better mental health interventions, and removing children with this kind of disposition to more secure facilities where they can be catered for more appropriately.

They are good for knives and guns.

Mental health interventions would not help. This kid was probably teased for years and go to the breaking point. We need to address the issues, like this kid being teased for years, not just put a bandaid via a quick therapy session.

What are you talking about? You have no idea that this kid was being teased for years. That is something you have literally just made up.
It could be that this kid was not being bullied, but is mentally unstable and has a history of violent behavior, and a relatively innocent comment set him off.

In which case, I agree a quick therapy session would not solve anything, but removing him from the general population and putting him in a more suitable setting would be the solution...

There is no such thing as being “gently teased”. Words hurt. Sure, violence is never an answer, but the kid in the hospital is not an innocent victim.

Wtf, of course there is. Kids make mildly reading jokes all the time, all day long. You are a victim blaming idiot unless you have specific knowledge the assailant was actually being bullied.

Look, if your brat is teasing and cannot read social cues of others that its making them uncomfortable, you need to parent your kid better and get them social skills training. This was probably bullying and the kid who attacked had enough. If the bully is bullying all day, every day, there is some merit to the other child snapping. It usually has to be pretty bad to go that far. Maybe your brat will learn from this.

You know nothing about this. Kids who were there say it was completely out of the blue and unprovoked. He is also at least double the size of the kid he hit, who was seated at the time. Let’s not create fiction around this, making up a bullying backstory to suit your narrative.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm in favor of metal detectors and expulsion of students who are aggressive.

This. And, police in the schools. Let’s not call them sros and bring in police. Enough is enough.

Yeah because metal detectors will keep chairs out of schools. And police in every classroom will stop kids from picking them up and hitting people with them.

Some of you really want to live in a police state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm in favor of metal detectors and expulsion of students who are aggressive.

This. And, police in the schools. Let’s not call them sros and bring in police. Enough is enough.

Yeah because metal detectors will keep chairs out of schools. And police in every classroom will stop kids from picking them up and hitting people with them.

Some of you really want to live in a police state.

In this situation it seems if the kid had not been allowed back to BCC then this would not have happened, hence the above saying aggressive kids should be expelled from in-person mainstream school.