violence after WJ-BCC football game?

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Anonymous wrote:It just seems like these parents need to keep their children in check. The kids should be charged with vandalism and have to make restitution. Clearly we need more police involved in these high UMC schools. They’re a scourge on our communities. Bad parenting = Bad kids.

I agree. Parents need to parent, they are in high school — not in college or adults yet.

What about 18 year olds in HS?

You mean the held back by their parents kids... does it surprise you these kid are acting up.

My thought is that if those parents had been parenting those full 18 years those kids wouldn’t be doing violent, dangerous or disrespectful things at age 18.

All these years on DCUM (horrifying), and I still don't know what posters mean when they talk about parents parenting (or not parenting).

Definition of parenting
1 : the raising of a child by its parents
2 : the act or process of becoming a parent
3 : the taking care of someone in the manner of a parent

Of course here on DCUM it means I'm judging you for not being the wonderful parent I am.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's up with all these incidence of violence between students. My goodness. Where is the leadership?

Shouldn't the questions be where are the parents and their leadership.

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My thought is that if those parents had been parenting those full 18 years those kids wouldn’t be doing violent, dangerous or disrespectful things at age 18.

All these years on DCUM (horrifying), and I still don't know what posters mean when they talk about parents parenting (or not parenting).

Definition of parenting
1 : the raising of a child by its parents
2 : the act or process of becoming a parent
3 : the taking care of someone in the manner of a parent

Of course here on DCUM it means I'm judging you for not being the wonderful parent I am.

Bingo.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What's up with all these incidence of violence between students. My goodness. Where is the leadership?

Shouldn't the questions be where are the parents and their leadership.

What do you mean, where are the parents? Do you expect parents to chaperone high school students at all time?

[Anonymous]

It means instilling good values, spending quality time with your kids snd teens, making sure they are not involved with negative Influences online or in person, ensuring that they feel connected to a responsible adult in their life which leads to them making good decisions that do not include weapons or violence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It means instilling good values, spending quality time with your kids snd teens, making sure they are not involved with negative Influences online or in person, ensuring that they feel connected to a responsible adult in their life which leads to them making good decisions that do not include weapons or violence.

PP, I don't know how old your children are, but evidently they are not old enough yet for you to realize that the parent-child relationship does not work on an input-output model.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It means instilling good values, spending quality time with your kids snd teens, making sure they are not involved with negative Influences online or in person, ensuring that they feel connected to a responsible adult in their life which leads to them making good decisions that do not include weapons or violence.

PP, I don't know how old your children are, but evidently they are not old enough yet for you to realize that the parent-child relationship does not work on an input-output model.

?!! They do! They really do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It means instilling good values, spending quality time with your kids snd teens, making sure they are not involved with negative Influences online or in person, ensuring that they feel connected to a responsible adult in their life which leads to them making good decisions that do not include weapons or violence.

This only works with kids who are genetically predisposed to behaving.
It's an entirely new phenomenon where people think children are only the result of their upbringing and its wrong
It's an idea that was sold to you since Dr. Spock started selling parenting books.take a look at the student on the football field throwing a bicycle. That is not a result of parenting. That is genetics and probably a mental health disease.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It means instilling good values, spending quality time with your kids snd teens, making sure they are not involved with negative Influences online or in person, ensuring that they feel connected to a responsible adult in their life which leads to them making good decisions that do not include weapons or violence.

This only works with kids who are genetically predisposed to behaving.
It's an entirely new phenomenon where people think children are only the result of their upbringing and its wrong
It's an idea that was sold to you since Dr. Spock started selling parenting books.take a look at the student on the football field throwing a bicycle. That is not a result of parenting. That is genetics and probably a mental health disease.

Bull. That is anger, and that is very, very, often a result of bad parenting. And it definitely can turn into mental disease.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It means instilling good values, spending quality time with your kids snd teens, making sure they are not involved with negative Influences online or in person, ensuring that they feel connected to a responsible adult in their life which leads to them making good decisions that do not include weapons or violence.

This only works with kids who are genetically predisposed to behaving.
It's an entirely new phenomenon where people think children are only the result of their upbringing and its wrong
It's an idea that was sold to you since Dr. Spock started selling parenting books.take a look at the student on the football field throwing a bicycle. That is not a result of parenting. That is genetics and probably a mental health disease.

Bull. That is anger, and that is very, very, often a result of bad parenting. And it definitely can turn into mental disease.

Yes, and depressed teens can often be teens who didn’t get enough attention as younger kids and Whose parents have no idea how much time they are spending on their phones looking at crap. Etc

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Anonymous wrote:It means instilling good values, spending quality time with your kids snd teens, making sure they are not involved with negative Influences online or in person, ensuring that they feel connected to a responsible adult in their life which leads to them making good decisions that do not include weapons or violence.

PP, I don't know how old your children are, but evidently they are not old enough yet for you to realize that the parent-child relationship does not work on an input-output model.

?!! They do! They really do.

No, they really don't. Good parents can have children who nonetheless do not turn out well. Bad parents can have children who nonetheless do turn out well. And even the most well-brought-up teenager doesn't always have the judgment to avoid disastrous choices.

I remember my sister-in-law telling me about the wonderful mother she believed herself to be, with her first child, who did everything he was supposed to - until she had her second child.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It means instilling good values, spending quality time with your kids snd teens, making sure they are not involved with negative Influences online or in person, ensuring that they feel connected to a responsible adult in their life which leads to them making good decisions that do not include weapons or violence.

This only works with kids who are genetically predisposed to behaving.
It's an entirely new phenomenon where people think children are only the result of their upbringing and its wrong
It's an idea that was sold to you since Dr. Spock started selling parenting books.take a look at the student on the football field throwing a bicycle. That is not a result of parenting. That is genetics and probably a mental health disease.

Bull. That is anger, and that is very, very, often a result of bad parenting. And it definitely can turn into mental disease.

Your response is good reminder of how little people (like yourself) understand about mental health. I appreciate your post because it is a true exemplification of ignorance. Hopefully we can someday do better to educate people about mental health.

[Anonymous]

So all the kids who were fighting have mental health issues? Those who vandalized the bus are just depressed? I think there’s more it it than that and involved parenting is a part of preventing and solving these issues, and a big part of making sure your child’s mental health is being cared (for with medical assistance if needed).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It means instilling good values, spending quality time with your kids snd teens, making sure they are not involved with negative Influences online or in person, ensuring that they feel connected to a responsible adult in their life which leads to them making good decisions that do not include weapons or violence.

PP, I don't know how old your children are, but evidently they are not old enough yet for you to realize that the parent-child relationship does not work on an input-output model.

?!! They do! They really do.

No, they really don't. Good parents can have children who nonetheless do not turn out well. Bad parents can have children who nonetheless do turn out well. And even the most well-brought-up teenager doesn't always have the judgment to avoid disastrous choices.

I remember my sister-in-law telling me about the wonderful mother she believed herself to be, with her first child, who did everything he was supposed to - until she had her second child.

Well I agree that good kids can make bad choices I do not agree with the implication that it’s a “throw your hands up kind of situation because kids do stupid things anyways, so why think that involved parents will make a difference”, which is what a lot of people are doing these days. Things are worse for kids and some parents need to step up in a big way.
We aren’t talking about your SILs one baby being potty trained immediately and sleeping through the night from day one and then her baby number two never sleeping and wearing a diaper until age 4 kind of situation. Also we know nothing if the amount and kind of attention she gave her children. We are talking about BCC teenagers vandalizing property and starting fights. I doubt that most of the kids involved have really close relationships with their family members who are likely unaware of what they are doing, who they are hanging out with and what they look at on their phones all day and night. These are the sorts of kids who are being overly influenced by crap online and/or a crappy peer group, not influenced by parental connections, or a strong and positive sense of self.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:More BCC and WJ, etc parents need to step up and be involved and aware of where their kids are, who they are with, and instill and promote positive values and behaviors. This isn’t the schools’ job when things happened off campus.

Yeah, but how about also promoting a more academic environment and less jock culture in high school? Most of the violence directly stems from this type of sports culture mentality. You never see this happening after a non-sports event.

You say that now, but how many posters on the college site seek big Rah Rah state schools with "school spirit."

It is a mindset. Watch the Hunting Ground:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBNHGi36nlM