Rules questions

[SoccerRef]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP used quotation marks and may be omitting some other information, such as, did the attacking player play the ball so far in advance of the goalkeeper that it doesn't an obviously goal scoring oppportunity, that the goalkeeper actually had position and was making a move toward the path of the ball such that the attacker actually collided into the goalkeeper?

Attacker had the ball on her foot, dribbled around the goalie, goalie dove (in an effort to knock the ball away), never got the ball, but took the defender's legs out. Right at the top of the 6.

PK, yellow card.
Used to be a red card, but now yellow as long as the keeper made an attempt to play the ball.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP used quotation marks and may be omitting some other information, such as, did the attacking player play the ball so far in advance of the goalkeeper that it doesn't an obviously goal scoring oppportunity, that the goalkeeper actually had position and was making a move toward the path of the ball such that the attacker actually collided into the goalkeeper?

Attacker had the ball on her foot, dribbled around the goalie, goalie dove (in an effort to knock the ball away), never got the ball, but took the defender's legs out. Right at the top of the 6.

So now that you asked your question and got a bunch of responses, what do you think the correct call is? Include any cards that you would give and what the restart would be.

I honestly didn't know the answer when I asked (which is why I asked). Call on the field was no call.

Logically I would have said PK, no card. Given the low volume of cards we see (u14g) I didn't expect a card, as it wasn't flagrant or blatantly dangerous (in my eyes).

[Anonymous]

PP here, and I would add I really have no feel for what should be a card and what shouldn't. My gut tells me negligent and dangerous play, yellow. Intentional & egregious dangerous play = red.

I didn't feel this was even negligent or overtly dangerous. GK made a legitimate play to try and poke the ball away and failed, resulting in contact with offensive player. Foul, no harm.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another rules question here:

Player is 1v1 against the GK. Player dribbles around GK, GK dives to try and play the ball and "takes out" player without touching the ball, preventing player from getting a shot on goal. Foul?

No foul

Why not?

Are there, therefore, no restrictions on the GK making forcible contact with a player to prevent a scoring opportunity as long as the GK appears to be trying to make play on the ball?

If keeper made no contact with ball, foul
If keeper got a hand on ball, no foul

No where in the laws does it say that, if the defender gets the ball first, there is no foul. So just keep that in mind. A player can get to the ball and still foul. So many people yell….but he got the ball. Just saying.

Exactly. This exact play happened this weekend where Pogba got a red card when he got the ball. The ref initially called it as a yellow, but then went to red upon VAR review.

That Pogba clip is a two-footed studs up challenge - that is a straight red every time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another rules question here:

Player is 1v1 against the GK. Player dribbles around GK, GK dives to try and play the ball and "takes out" player without touching the ball, preventing player from getting a shot on goal. Foul?

No foul

Why not?

Are there, therefore, no restrictions on the GK making forcible contact with a player to prevent a scoring opportunity as long as the GK appears to be trying to make play on the ball?

If keeper made no contact with ball, foul
If keeper got a hand on ball, no foul

No where in the laws does it say that, if the defender gets the ball first, there is no foul. So just keep that in mind. A player can get to the ball and still foul. So many people yell….but he got the ball. Just saying.

Exactly. This exact play happened this weekend where Pogba got a red card when he got the ball. The ref initially called it as a yellow, but then went to red upon VAR review.

That Pogba clip is a two-footed studs up challenge - that is a straight red every time.

Agree, horrible challenge that could have resulted in a broken leg.

[SoccerRef]

Anonymous wrote:PP here, and I would add I really have no feel for what should be a card and what shouldn't. My gut tells me negligent and dangerous play, yellow. Intentional & egregious dangerous play = red.

I didn't feel this was even negligent or overtly dangerous. GK made a legitimate play to try and poke the ball away and failed, resulting in contact with offensive player. Foul, no harm.

The basic rubric that they teach concerning whether it should be a normal foul, a YC or a RC is to ask if the foul was careless, reckless, or did it use excessive force.
As to your play specifically, the foul denied an obvious goalscoring opportunity, which used to be and automatic RC, but now can be a YC in specific circumstances.

[Anonymous]

SoccerRef wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here, and I would add I really have no feel for what should be a card and what shouldn't. My gut tells me negligent and dangerous play, yellow. Intentional & egregious dangerous play = red.

I didn't feel this was even negligent or overtly dangerous. GK made a legitimate play to try and poke the ball away and failed, resulting in contact with offensive player. Foul, no harm.

The basic rubric that they teach concerning whether it should be a normal foul, a YC or a RC is to ask if the foul was careless, reckless, or did it use excessive force.
As to your play specifically, the foul denied an obvious goalscoring opportunity, which used to be and automatic RC, but now can be a YC in specific circumstances.

Yes, And this is what parents need to understand...certain fouls are automatic cards. A defender simply giving a break away striker a tug on his jersey and the striker losing his balance is DOGSO. No question a card is coming. Outside the box it's red and a free kick. Inside the box is a PK and, a tug of the jersey is red. Challenging for the ball is yellow. It doesn't matter if their was "no harm". The laws are the laws. A kid spits at another player. It's Red. Why? Because that's what the Laws say. The Laws lay out what are yellow card offenses and what are red card offenses.

[Anonymous]

Hello Referees-my son just got certified recently and we need to buy the gear. Any other websites that sells referee gear beside Referee Store and Official Sports? Thank you in advance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hello Referees-my son just got certified recently and we need to buy the gear. Any other websites that sells referee gear beside Referee Store and Official Sports? Thank you in advance.

Springfield Soccer Supplies
https://springfieldsoccersupplies.com/collections/referee-gear/equipment

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hello Referees-my son just got certified recently and we need to buy the gear. Any other websites that sells referee gear beside Referee Store and Official Sports? Thank you in advance.

Score sells a slightly cheaper version of the standard ref uniform and offers starter kits.
https://scoresports.com/officials

You can also get alternative brands on Amazon--can't vouch for quality of any of them. I don't recommend buying him all 5 colors unless you're sure he's going to stick with it. Get him yellow to start.

[Anonymous]

What are the new drop ball rules? Seems like the referee now plays it to the team they felt had possession now vs. the old challenge drop ball.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What are the new drop ball rules? Seems like the referee now plays it to the team they felt had possession now vs. the old challenge drop ball.

8.2 Dropped ball
Procedure
The ball is dropped for the defending team goalkeeper in their penalty area if, when play was stopped:

the ball was in the penalty area or

the last touch of the ball was in the penalty area

In all other cases, the referee drops the ball for one player of the team that last touched the ball at the position where it last touched a player, an outside agent or, as outlined in Law 9.1, a match official

All other players (of both teams) must remain at least 4 m (4.5 yds) from the ball until it is in play

The ball is in play when it touches the ground.

Offences and sanctions
The ball is dropped again if it:

touches a player before it touches the ground

leaves the field of play after it touches the ground, without touching a player

If a dropped ball enters the goal without touching at least two players, play is restarted with:

a goal kick if it enters the opponents’ goal

a corner kick if it enters the team’s goal

[Anonymous]

RantingSoccerDad wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Hello Referees-my son just got certified recently and we need to buy the gear. Any other websites that sells referee gear beside Referee Store and Official Sports? Thank you in advance.

Score sells a slightly cheaper version of the standard ref uniform and offers starter kits.
https://scoresports.com/officials

You can also get alternative brands on Amazon--can't vouch for quality of any of them. I don't recommend buying him all 5 colors unless you're sure he's going to stick with it. Get him yellow to start.

Oh yeah -- few teams in this area wear yellow, so definitely get that. Black is a good second option. I also got green and might bust it out on occasion just for sake of variety, but there's no need for a beginner to get three. The odds of a yellow team playing a black team are pretty slim.

This advice is fine if you ref by yourself but normally games have three officials and they each need to wear the same color jerseys. Very few officials in my experience have black, so that would be the last color I would get. When you get certified, they usually tell you to get yellow first, then green, then blue, then red, then black. I haven't been refereeing very long but I have over 150 guys under my belt and I think I've seen black worn twice.

[Anonymous]

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RantingSoccerDad wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hello Referees-my son just got certified recently and we need to buy the gear. Any other websites that sells referee gear beside Referee Store and Official Sports? Thank you in advance.

Score sells a slightly cheaper version of the standard ref uniform and offers starter kits.
https://scoresports.com/officials

You can also get alternative brands on Amazon--can't vouch for quality of any of them. I don't recommend buying him all 5 colors unless you're sure he's going to stick with it. Get him yellow to start.

Oh yeah -- few teams in this area wear yellow, so definitely get that. Black is a good second option. I also got green and might bust it out on occasion just for sake of variety, but there's no need for a beginner to get three. The odds of a yellow team playing a black team are pretty slim.

This advice is fine if you ref by yourself but normally games have three officials and they each need to wear the same color jerseys. Very few officials in my experience have black, so that would be the last color I would get. When you get certified, they usually tell you to get yellow first, then green, then blue, then red, then black. I haven't been refereeing very long but I have over 150 guys under my belt and I think I've seen black worn twice.

I agree, yellow, green, and blue are the most common in that order. I’ve only seen red at tournaments and never seen black.