Rules questions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I saw an attacking player foul the defender who had successfully shielded the ball. The defender fell as a result of the foul and ended up with the ball trapped under his body. The ref blew his whistle, but the attacker continued and kicked the ball hard right into the defender. Should this have been a red card?

If you are kicking the ball and not the other player, its not a redcard offence. The ref could easily also have called a foul on the defender with the ball trapped under the body. I wasn't there, didn't see it, but this doesn't sound like an automatic anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I saw an attacking player foul the defender who had successfully shielded the ball. The defender fell as a result of the foul and ended up with the ball trapped under his body. The ref blew his whistle, but the attacker continued and kicked the ball hard right into the defender. Should this have been a red card?

This doe not answer your question directly but this is what the Laws say. This is from Law 12. A referee would have to deem it violent conduct. So the answer is maybe.

Sending-off offences
A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:

denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a handball offence (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area)

denying a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent whose overall movement is towards the offender’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick (unless as outlined below)

serious foul play

biting or spitting at someone

violent conduct

using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or action(s)

receiving a second caution in the same match

entering the video operation room (VOR)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I saw an attacking player foul the defender who had successfully shielded the ball. The defender fell as a result of the foul and ended up with the ball trapped under his body. The ref blew his whistle, but the attacker continued and kicked the ball hard right into the defender. Should this have been a red card?

Unless it happened well after the whistle, I don’t see why that would be a red card. If you’re already starting your play on the ball when the whistle blows you won’t necessary be able to stop on a dime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw an attacking player foul the defender who had successfully shielded the ball. The defender fell as a result of the foul and ended up with the ball trapped under his body. The ref blew his whistle, but the attacker continued and kicked the ball hard right into the defender. Should this have been a red card?

Unless it happened well after the whistle, I don’t see why that would be a red card. If you’re already starting your play on the ball when the whistle blows you won’t necessary be able to stop on a dime.

Did you not read "The ref blew his whistle, but the attacker continued and kicked the ball hard right into the defender."?

[Anonymous]

If you are wondering if maybe it could be a yellow card...what would you say is the reason for the yellow card. These are the only reasons to give a YC under Law 12.

Cautionable offences
A player is cautioned if guilty of:

delaying the restart of play

dissent by word or action

entering, re-entering or deliberately leaving the field of play without the referee’s permission

failing to respect the required distance when play is restarted with a dropped ball, corner kick, free kick or throw-in

persistent offences (no specific number or pattern of offences constitutes 'persistent')

unsporting behaviour

entering the referee review area (RRA)

excessively using the ‘review’ (TV screen) signal

A substitute or substituted player is cautioned if guilty of:

delaying the restart of play

dissent by word or action

entering or re-entering the field of play without the referee’s permission

unsporting behaviour

entering the referee review area (RRA)

excessively using the ‘review’ (TV screen) signal

Where two separate cautionable offences are committed (even in close proximity), they should result in two cautions, for example if a player enters the field of play without the required permission and commits a reckless tackle or stops a promising attack with a foul/handball, etc.

Cautions for unsporting behaviour
There are different circumstances when a player must be cautioned for unsporting behaviour including if a player:

attempts to deceive the referee, e.g. by feigning injury or pretending to have been fouled (simulation)

changes places with the goalkeeper during play or without the referee’s permission (see Law 3)

commits in a reckless manner a direct free kick offence

handles the ball to interfere with or stop a promising attack

commits any other offence which interferes with or stops a promising attack, except where the referee awards a penalty kick for an offence which was an attempt to play the ball

denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by an offence which was an attempt to play the ball and the referee awards a penalty kick

handles the ball in an attempt to score a goal (whether or not the attempt is successful) or in an unsuccessful attempt to prevent a goal

makes unauthorised marks on the field of play

plays the ball when leaving the field of play after being given permission to leave

shows a lack of respect for the game

initiates a deliberate trick for the ball to be passed (including from a free kick or goal kick) to the goalkeeper with the head, chest, knee etc. to circumvent the Law, whether or not the goalkeeper touches the ball with the hands; the goalkeeper is cautioned if responsible for initiating the deliberate trick

verbally distracts an opponent during play or at a restart

Celebration of a goal
Players can celebrate when a goal is scored, but the celebration must not be excessive; choreographed celebrations are not encouraged and must not cause excessive time-wasting.

Leaving the field of play to celebrate a goal is not a cautionable offence but players should return as soon as possible.

A player must be cautioned, even if the goal is disallowed, for:

climbing onto a perimeter fence and/or approaching the spectators in a manner which causes safety and/or security issues

acting in a provocative, derisory or inflammatory way

covering the head or face with a mask or other similar item

removing the shirt or covering the head with the shirt

Delaying the restart of play
Referees must caution players who delay the restart of play by:

appearing to take a throw-in but suddenly leaving it to a team-mate to take

delaying leaving the field of play when being substituted

excessively delaying a restart

kicking or carrying the ball away, or provoking a confrontation by deliberately touching the ball after the referee has stopped play

taking a free kick from the wrong position to force a retake

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw an attacking player foul the defender who had successfully shielded the ball. The defender fell as a result of the foul and ended up with the ball trapped under his body. The ref blew his whistle, but the attacker continued and kicked the ball hard right into the defender. Should this have been a red card?

If you are kicking the ball and not the other player, its not a redcard offence. The ref could easily also have called a foul on the defender with the ball trapped under the body. I wasn't there, didn't see it, but this doesn't sound like an automatic anything.

It was caught on film here: https://twitter.com/bigpapisruji/status/1452322353359335425

Let me know what you think.

[SoccerRef]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw an attacking player foul the defender who had successfully shielded the ball. The defender fell as a result of the foul and ended up with the ball trapped under his body. The ref blew his whistle, but the attacker continued and kicked the ball hard right into the defender. Should this have been a red card?

If you are kicking the ball and not the other player, its not a redcard offence. The ref could easily also have called a foul on the defender with the ball trapped under the body. I wasn't there, didn't see it, but this doesn't sound like an automatic anything.

It was caught on film here: https://twitter.com/bigpapisruji/status/1452322353359335425

Let me know what you think.

In the game itself, Ronaldo received a yellow for that. General consensus of refs that I've seen give it about 50/50 yellow/red.
If I see that in any youth game, it's a red for violent conduct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw an attacking player foul the defender who had successfully shielded the ball. The defender fell as a result of the foul and ended up with the ball trapped under his body. The ref blew his whistle, but the attacker continued and kicked the ball hard right into the defender. Should this have been a red card?

Unless it happened well after the whistle, I don’t see why that would be a red card. If you’re already starting your play on the ball when the whistle blows you won’t necessary be able to stop on a dime.

Did you not read "The ref blew his whistle, but the attacker continued and kicked the ball hard right into the defender."?

Kids can't hear the whistle all the time. You are overreacting.

[Anonymous]

SoccerRef wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw an attacking player foul the defender who had successfully shielded the ball. The defender fell as a result of the foul and ended up with the ball trapped under his body. The ref blew his whistle, but the attacker continued and kicked the ball hard right into the defender. Should this have been a red card?

If you are kicking the ball and not the other player, its not a redcard offence. The ref could easily also have called a foul on the defender with the ball trapped under the body. I wasn't there, didn't see it, but this doesn't sound like an automatic anything.

It was caught on film here: https://twitter.com/bigpapisruji/status/1452322353359335425

Let me know what you think.

In the game itself, Ronaldo received a yellow for that. General consensus of refs that I've seen give it about 50/50 yellow/red.
If I see that in any youth game, it's a red for violent conduct.

If you give a YC, what is the reason...a reckless foul or something else? Problem is that...if the referee blows the whistle for the careless foul of just pushing him over, then the kick after the whistle can't be for a reckless foul, correct? Thanks

[SoccerRef]

Anonymous wrote:

SoccerRef wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw an attacking player foul the defender who had successfully shielded the ball. The defender fell as a result of the foul and ended up with the ball trapped under his body. The ref blew his whistle, but the attacker continued and kicked the ball hard right into the defender. Should this have been a red card?

If you are kicking the ball and not the other player, its not a redcard offence. The ref could easily also have called a foul on the defender with the ball trapped under the body. I wasn't there, didn't see it, but this doesn't sound like an automatic anything.

It was caught on film here: https://twitter.com/bigpapisruji/status/1452322353359335425

Let me know what you think.

In the game itself, Ronaldo received a yellow for that. General consensus of refs that I've seen give it about 50/50 yellow/red.
If I see that in any youth game, it's a red for violent conduct.

If you give a YC, what is the reason...a reckless foul or something else? Problem is that...if the referee blows the whistle for the careless foul of just pushing him over, then the kick after the whistle can't be for a reckless foul, correct? Thanks

Correct, it can't be a foul if the ball isn't in play. The YC would be for Unsporting Behavior.

[Anonymous]

SoccerRef wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

SoccerRef wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw an attacking player foul the defender who had successfully shielded the ball. The defender fell as a result of the foul and ended up with the ball trapped under his body. The ref blew his whistle, but the attacker continued and kicked the ball hard right into the defender. Should this have been a red card?

If you are kicking the ball and not the other player, its not a redcard offence. The ref could easily also have called a foul on the defender with the ball trapped under the body. I wasn't there, didn't see it, but this doesn't sound like an automatic anything.

It was caught on film here: https://twitter.com/bigpapisruji/status/1452322353359335425

Let me know what you think.

In the game itself, Ronaldo received a yellow for that. General consensus of refs that I've seen give it about 50/50 yellow/red.
If I see that in any youth game, it's a red for violent conduct.

If you give a YC, what is the reason...a reckless foul or something else? Problem is that...if the referee blows the whistle for the careless foul of just pushing him over, then the kick after the whistle can't be for a reckless foul, correct? Thanks

Correct, it can't be a foul if the ball isn't in play. The YC would be for Unsporting Behavior.

And what reason under USB?

[Anonymous]

SoccerRef wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw an attacking player foul the defender who had successfully shielded the ball. The defender fell as a result of the foul and ended up with the ball trapped under his body. The ref blew his whistle, but the attacker continued and kicked the ball hard right into the defender. Should this have been a red card?

If you are kicking the ball and not the other player, its not a redcard offence. The ref could easily also have called a foul on the defender with the ball trapped under the body. I wasn't there, didn't see it, but this doesn't sound like an automatic anything.

It was caught on film here: https://twitter.com/bigpapisruji/status/1452322353359335425

Let me know what you think.

In the game itself, Ronaldo received a yellow for that. General consensus of refs that I've seen give it about 50/50 yellow/red.
If I see that in any youth game, it's a red for violent conduct.

If it’s Ronaldo it’s a yellow. If it’s Joe Smith from Burnley it’s a red card. If it’s a kid, it’s a red. It was the malice that makes it a red. Get the punk off of the pitch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

SoccerRef wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw an attacking player foul the defender who had successfully shielded the ball. The defender fell as a result of the foul and ended up with the ball trapped under his body. The ref blew his whistle, but the attacker continued and kicked the ball hard right into the defender. Should this have been a red card?

If you are kicking the ball and not the other player, its not a redcard offence. The ref could easily also have called a foul on the defender with the ball trapped under the body. I wasn't there, didn't see it, but this doesn't sound like an automatic anything.

It was caught on film here: https://twitter.com/bigpapisruji/status/1452322353359335425

Let me know what you think.

In the game itself, Ronaldo received a yellow for that. General consensus of refs that I've seen give it about 50/50 yellow/red.
If I see that in any youth game, it's a red for violent conduct.

If it’s Ronaldo it’s a yellow. If it’s Joe Smith from Burnley it’s a red card. If it’s a kid, it’s a red. It was the malice that makes it a red. Get the punk off of the pitch.

Hav ego agree with this. Violent conduct. Liverpool players were rightly raging. Have to laugh at wee Andy Robertson telling Ronaldo all about it.

[Anonymous]

Another rules question here:

Player is 1v1 against the GK. Player dribbles around GK, GK dives to try and play the ball and "takes out" player without touching the ball, preventing player from getting a shot on goal. Foul?

[Anonymous]

From this description it's hard to tell but if you watch Ronaldo's eyes and body language as he clearly kicks out at Jones and not at the ball, it would have been a red for anyone else, but you can't have Ronaldo sent off when that's who the fans pay to see.

Anonymous wrote:I saw an attacking player foul the defender who had successfully shielded the ball. The defender fell as a result of the foul and ended up with the ball trapped under his body. The ref blew his whistle, but the attacker continued and kicked the ball hard right into the defender. Should this have been a red card?