DA vs ECNL vs everything else

[Anonymous]

You can clearly see the difference between U19s and U15s? Um, yeah, you don’t say. That’s a 4 year age group difference...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see play ups get physically over-powered on the field again and again and again.

The muscle and build of an 18 year old is different than a 14 year old. It's visually obvious. Go look at a U19 team and compare them to a U15 team. You don't even have to leave your house. Just look at youtube. Check out the US Soccer play offs.

Saying otherwise just sounds ridiculous.

Nobody said otherwise, but the difference between a 18 year old girl in the 70th percentile and a 16 year old girl in the 70th percentile is not significant. Height growth levels off and the weight difference is around 5lbs.

By 17 Girls have hit over 90% of their maturity. There just isn’t much left I. The tank naturally after that. Everything else is training and nutrition.

The early developer always benefits. Yes, that gap closes as they get older...but until then...

USSF decided who benefited and who didn't (with the age change).

Agree, but RAE is universal and not limited to the US. All US Soccer did with the age change was align our RAE with the rest of the world. Before the age change our RAE selected “best” for club soccer were 9 months younger than their European counterparts.

Very true. Bottom line: age matters and US Soccer knows it. They just wanted the age to work in their favor; or at least not hold them back. 9 months is a big difference, even within the same team. We even noticed a difference when we went up against teams last year in the same age group, but an average older player. Half our team looked like girls, and most of their team looked more like young ladies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You are welcome.

The older they get the more true it should be. Technical technical technical with increasing speed of thought is what it's all about in pre-teen. Once they hit teens, in an elite environment, it should be about maximum pressure to test for grit.

Training centers stop because the DA is supposed to be accumulating the talent from there, with the support of the scouts funneling non DA players to DA environments.

There are places if the young woman is dead set on being a pro and are willing to give up scholarship dollars. There is nothing stopping them from going pro just like men, but there are certainly a lot fewer options. And for now, there are only a handful of pro teams outside america that could beat UNC, Stanford, or Penn State playing by college rules. They'd play prettier, more technical soccer, they'd get overrun by american athleticism by college rules. If they played with FIFA 3 sub rules, it would make it much more likely college teams would fall. If DD has sniffs at national team, going pro as early as possible is a great idea. College soccer RUINS technical and creative players while elevating great athletes with adequate skills. To go pro, give up the college scholarship. Just go to a cheaper school online while being a pro in Europe. Going pro in America is harder because the league is also very physical and fast, but it should become more of an option if the league expands in both teams and roster sizes as I've heard it will be.

Politics still controls the scouts, and powerful coaches and clubs still set the agenda and the funnel. But enough of that.

College will always be there, and there are academic dollars to be had anyways later on if it comes to that. If you have any information to share of where to go pro outside of the US, please do share. There is hardly any information here that I know of. I know conceptually Europe has a pathway, but I have failed to find out how. Yes, UNC could win based on college soccer rules and brutish American physicality (and yes, I was a brute myself back in the day), but my DD is a technical player. I would hate to see her have to give up on it just because neither of us knew how to go about it.

Finding pro opportunities can be tricky if you're not fully committed to giving up NCAA eligibility. If a player engages with an agent, that can be it. If a parent engages with an agent, it can risky. If a club coach engages with an agent, it's safer. The first step though is out if she's really capable and ready. Go train with a local 16 year boys team. Boys 15-17 represent the physical spectrum of most top women's teams. If she holds her own, try an older team.

If you're already a WS parent, you could find out a lot faster by asking the TD if DD can train with the pro team. If you can hang with them, you can play on all but the best European teams. If the TD says no way, you probably have your answer (or you can come on here and call him or her an idiot because they don't see your DDs true potential like a lot of parents do). Their staff I'm sure knows just about every other coach in the world worth playing for. So would staffs at other nwsl teams if you have connections.

Take video of all of it, and then start calling the teams directly with some dates you can go to them for a trial. Then get on a plane and go for it. They all are interested in American players. England will be harder due to work permits. She needs to be 18. Hitting the teams right before preseason is best. Many leagues start at different times of year so there are plenty of options to keep trying. Most don't pay enough for you to need an agent, so it can be a win-win on having an opportunity without risking NCAA.

Securing a D1 scholarship offer and using that to get the attention of the pro clubs overseas is effective. At the least maybe it gets you more money from the school if they know you're exploring other options.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You are welcome.

The older they get the more true it should be. Technical technical technical with increasing speed of thought is what it's all about in pre-teen. Once they hit teens, in an elite environment, it should be about maximum pressure to test for grit.

Training centers stop because the DA is supposed to be accumulating the talent from there, with the support of the scouts funneling non DA players to DA environments.

There are places if the young woman is dead set on being a pro and are willing to give up scholarship dollars. There is nothing stopping them from going pro just like men, but there are certainly a lot fewer options. And for now, there are only a handful of pro teams outside america that could beat UNC, Stanford, or Penn State playing by college rules. They'd play prettier, more technical soccer, they'd get overrun by american athleticism by college rules. If they played with FIFA 3 sub rules, it would make it much more likely college teams would fall. If DD has sniffs at national team, going pro as early as possible is a great idea. College soccer RUINS technical and creative players while elevating great athletes with adequate skills. To go pro, give up the college scholarship. Just go to a cheaper school online while being a pro in Europe. Going pro in America is harder because the league is also very physical and fast, but it should become more of an option if the league expands in both teams and roster sizes as I've heard it will be.

Politics still controls the scouts, and powerful coaches and clubs still set the agenda and the funnel. But enough of that.

College will always be there, and there are academic dollars to be had anyways later on if it comes to that. If you have any information to share of where to go pro outside of the US, please do share. There is hardly any information here that I know of. I know conceptually Europe has a pathway, but I have failed to find out how. Yes, UNC could win based on college soccer rules and brutish American physicality (and yes, I was a brute myself back in the day), but my DD is a technical player. I would hate to see her have to give up on it just because neither of us knew how to go about it.

Finding pro opportunities can be tricky if you're not fully committed to giving up NCAA eligibility. If a player engages with an agent, that can be it. If a parent engages with an agent, it can risky. If a club coach engages with an agent, it's safer. The first step though is out if she's really capable and ready. Go train with a local 16 year boys team. Boys 15-17 represent the physical spectrum of most top women's teams. If she holds her own, try an older team.

If you're already a WS parent, you could find out a lot faster by asking the TD if DD can train with the pro team. If you can hang with them, you can play on all but the best European teams. If the TD says no way, you probably have your answer (or you can come on here and call him or her an idiot because they don't see your DDs true potential like a lot of parents do). Their staff I'm sure knows just about every other coach in the world worth playing for. So would staffs at other nwsl teams if you have connections.

Take video of all of it, and then start calling the teams directly with some dates you can go to them for a trial. Then get on a plane and go for it. They all are interested in American players. England will be harder due to work permits. She needs to be 18. Hitting the teams right before preseason is best. Many leagues start at different times of year so there are plenty of options to keep trying. Most don't pay enough for you to need an agent, so it can be a win-win on having an opportunity without risking NCAA.

Securing a D1 scholarship offer and using that to get the attention of the pro clubs overseas is effective. At the least maybe it gets you more money from the school if they know you're exploring other options.

Thank you for that overview. I will certainly use that to help inform my DD of her options.

I think it's a fair point on the TD, and of course, some players don't have what it takes. That is often the correct answer, when coach after coach continues to say that player isn't good enough. At the same time, it's also true that players get overlooked. Not every coach gets it right. Carli Lloyd may fall under that category, Griezmann sure does, Didi, and a host of others. All I'm saying with that isn't that any coach is an idiot, but that there's no reason to let one coach or even club set a ceiling on your child. I believe they should be allowed to try as far as they can go. Regret is a terrible thing.

It's totally up to my DD of course. My personal opinion is that if you can go pro and give up the eligibility, you are better off, for many reasons. It's better soccer, but also by trying to do both college and soccer, you can't really do either well. I had a D1 scholarship and wanted to pursue engineering. I ended up having to choose, because there was no way to continue effectively in soccer and engineering at the same time. I chose engineering, which is fine. Times were different, but it would have been nice if I could have chosen soccer instead. College will always be there.

I have friends who went pro first (not in soccer, but other sports), and I think they were smarter. They came back to college after their pro careers were over and lead just as nice a life as I do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You are welcome.

The older they get the more true it should be. Technical technical technical with increasing speed of thought is what it's all about in pre-teen. Once they hit teens, in an elite environment, it should be about maximum pressure to test for grit.

Training centers stop because the DA is supposed to be accumulating the talent from there, with the support of the scouts funneling non DA players to DA environments.

There are places if the young woman is dead set on being a pro and are willing to give up scholarship dollars. There is nothing stopping them from going pro just like men, but there are certainly a lot fewer options. And for now, there are only a handful of pro teams outside america that could beat UNC, Stanford, or Penn State playing by college rules. They'd play prettier, more technical soccer, they'd get overrun by american athleticism by college rules. If they played with FIFA 3 sub rules, it would make it much more likely college teams would fall. If DD has sniffs at national team, going pro as early as possible is a great idea. College soccer RUINS technical and creative players while elevating great athletes with adequate skills. To go pro, give up the college scholarship. Just go to a cheaper school online while being a pro in Europe. Going pro in America is harder because the league is also very physical and fast, but it should become more of an option if the league expands in both teams and roster sizes as I've heard it will be.

Politics still controls the scouts, and powerful coaches and clubs still set the agenda and the funnel. But enough of that.

College will always be there, and there are academic dollars to be had anyways later on if it comes to that. If you have any information to share of where to go pro outside of the US, please do share. There is hardly any information here that I know of. I know conceptually Europe has a pathway, but I have failed to find out how. Yes, UNC could win based on college soccer rules and brutish American physicality (and yes, I was a brute myself back in the day), but my DD is a technical player. I would hate to see her have to give up on it just because neither of us knew how to go about it.

Finding pro opportunities can be tricky if you're not fully committed to giving up NCAA eligibility. If a player engages with an agent, that can be it. If a parent engages with an agent, it can risky. If a club coach engages with an agent, it's safer. The first step though is out if she's really capable and ready. Go train with a local 16 year boys team. Boys 15-17 represent the physical spectrum of most top women's teams. If she holds her own, try an older team.

If you're already a WS parent, you could find out a lot faster by asking the TD if DD can train with the pro team. If you can hang with them, you can play on all but the best European teams. If the TD says no way, you probably have your answer (or you can come on here and call him or her an idiot because they don't see your DDs true potential like a lot of parents do). Their staff I'm sure knows just about every other coach in the world worth playing for. So would staffs at other nwsl teams if you have connections.

Take video of all of it, and then start calling the teams directly with some dates you can go to them for a trial. Then get on a plane and go for it. They all are interested in American players. England will be harder due to work permits. She needs to be 18. Hitting the teams right before preseason is best. Many leagues start at different times of year so there are plenty of options to keep trying. Most don't pay enough for you to need an agent, so it can be a win-win on having an opportunity without risking NCAA.

Securing a D1 scholarship offer and using that to get the attention of the pro clubs overseas is effective. At the least maybe it gets you more money from the school if they know you're exploring other options.

Thank you for that overview. I will certainly use that to help inform my DD of her options.

I think it's a fair point on the TD, and of course, some players don't have what it takes. That is often the correct answer, when coach after coach continues to say that player isn't good enough. At the same time, it's also true that players get overlooked. Not every coach gets it right. Carli Lloyd may fall under that category, Griezmann sure does, Didi, and a host of others. All I'm saying with that isn't that any coach is an idiot, but that there's no reason to let one coach or even club set a ceiling on your child. I believe they should be allowed to try as far as they can go. Regret is a terrible thing.

It's totally up to my DD of course. My personal opinion is that if you can go pro and give up the eligibility, you are better off, for many reasons. It's better soccer, but also by trying to do both college and soccer, you can't really do either well. I had a D1 scholarship and wanted to pursue engineering. I ended up having to choose, because there was no way to continue effectively in soccer and engineering at the same time. I chose engineering, which is fine. Times were different, but it would have been nice if I could have chosen soccer instead. College will always be there.

I have friends who went pro first (not in soccer, but other sports), and I think they were smarter. They came back to college after their pro careers were over and lead just as nice a life as I do.

Yes players get overlooked at times, but I was suggesting only that they be given an opportunity to catch a run. I would think if there was truly any shot at all about deciding to go pro anytime within the next year or two, that the TD of a pro club academy would at least let the kid go out an have a chance to shine, or to use it as a teaching moment if she gets embarrassed. If she's overlooked within 1 year of you needing to make a decision, then maybe she's a late bloomer, not overlooked. Then go to college, play in the summer, and keep working.

I don't have a dog in the ECNL/DA fight, but having been around the pros, the way it's supposed to work is the pro academies really do offer the purest most honest opportunities. It doesn't mean a non pro club doesn't have a good coach, but their goals are always different at a non pro club here in America. Youth is about college commitments. Pro is about how many go on to be successful pros. Youth use college commitments and youth national team call ups as marketing items to keep bringing in future players, but don't do much once the kids leave the nest. Pros use players promoted to professional ranks for competitive advantage of the 1st team so they can sell tickets, trade for players, or earn money on transfer fees. In both cases, the clubs "use" players. But at least in the pro academy the goals of the staff are more aligned with dreams of the most talented players.

[Anonymous]

We all go pro at something considering pro means profession. You know...a JOB. These professional women players are getting paid slightly above a non paid intern to WORK as soccer players. You know...their JOB.

What does minimum wage pay a year? What does the average NWSL player make a year? What's the difference?

Pathway to the Pros is a pathway to being broke.

[Anonymous]

The National Women’s Soccer League increased the player minimum salary in 2017 to roughly $15,000. In 2016, the minimum salary was $7,200, a more modest increase from the starting minimum salary in 2013 at $6,000. This is a far more considerable increase to address salaries at the lower end of the scale for the league. By the end of Wednesday, Equalizer Soccer had confirmed the new numbers with the league front office.

As of Thursday, there’s still no official word on how this will impact each of the 10 clubs’ salary caps. Last year, the cap was at $278,000.

While the news is certainly good, there’s still work to be done. Even with the increase, the NWSL is still far behind other minimum salaries—the WNBA’s is just around $35,000, the men’s professional league MLS is even higher at $60,000. Buy beyond that, amateur players are not paid. At this year’s college draft, coaches also expressed interest in the upper limits of player salaries as well, flirting with the idea of designated players who could be paid more than the max salary to help boost the league’s talent.

Haley Carter, former Houston Dash goalkeeper and current goalkeeper coach for the Afghanistan women’s national team, notably spoke up on Twitter to re-affirm that even with the big jump in salary, $15,000 is still not a living wage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We all go pro at something considering pro means profession. You know...a JOB. These professional women players are getting paid slightly above a non paid intern to WORK as soccer players. You know...their JOB.

What does minimum wage pay a year? What does the average NWSL player make a year? What's the difference?

Pathway to the Pros is a pathway to being broke.

Your post is silly. You are obviously FCV or Arlington and anti pro club.

Kids play soccer for the love of the sport and to reach their dreams not for the money.

Is that why your family plays travel soccer? If so you are getting a terrible return on your investment. Save your $$$ for tuition. You are making a financial mistake.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We all go pro at something considering pro means profession. You know...a JOB. These professional women players are getting paid slightly above a non paid intern to WORK as soccer players. You know...their JOB.

What does minimum wage pay a year? What does the average NWSL player make a year? What's the difference?

Pathway to the Pros is a pathway to being broke.


Or maybe it’s a pathway to doing what they love and feel passionate about. THere are always other opportunities when they are done playing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You are welcome.

The older they get the more true it should be. Technical technical technical with increasing speed of thought is what it's all about in pre-teen. Once they hit teens, in an elite environment, it should be about maximum pressure to test for grit.

Training centers stop because the DA is supposed to be accumulating the talent from there, with the support of the scouts funneling non DA players to DA environments.

There are places if the young woman is dead set on being a pro and are willing to give up scholarship dollars. There is nothing stopping them from going pro just like men, but there are certainly a lot fewer options. And for now, there are only a handful of pro teams outside america that could beat UNC, Stanford, or Penn State playing by college rules. They'd play prettier, more technical soccer, they'd get overrun by american athleticism by college rules. If they played with FIFA 3 sub rules, it would make it much more likely college teams would fall. If DD has sniffs at national team, going pro as early as possible is a great idea. College soccer RUINS technical and creative players while elevating great athletes with adequate skills. To go pro, give up the college scholarship. Just go to a cheaper school online while being a pro in Europe. Going pro in America is harder because the league is also very physical and fast, but it should become more of an option if the league expands in both teams and roster sizes as I've heard it will be.

Politics still controls the scouts, and powerful coaches and clubs still set the agenda and the funnel. But enough of that.

College will always be there, and there are academic dollars to be had anyways later on if it comes to that. If you have any information to share of where to go pro outside of the US, please do share. There is hardly any information here that I know of. I know conceptually Europe has a pathway, but I have failed to find out how. Yes, UNC could win based on college soccer rules and brutish American physicality (and yes, I was a brute myself back in the day), but my DD is a technical player. I would hate to see her have to give up on it just because neither of us knew how to go about it.

Finding pro opportunities can be tricky if you're not fully committed to giving up NCAA eligibility. If a player engages with an agent, that can be it. If a parent engages with an agent, it can risky. If a club coach engages with an agent, it's safer. The first step though is out if she's really capable and ready. Go train with a local 16 year boys team. Boys 15-17 represent the physical spectrum of most top women's teams. If she holds her own, try an older team.

If you're already a WS parent, you could find out a lot faster by asking the TD if DD can train with the pro team. If you can hang with them, you can play on all but the best European teams. If the TD says no way, you probably have your answer (or you can come on here and call him or her an idiot because they don't see your DDs true potential like a lot of parents do). Their staff I'm sure knows just about every other coach in the world worth playing for. So would staffs at other nwsl teams if you have connections.

Take video of all of it, and then start calling the teams directly with some dates you can go to them for a trial. Then get on a plane and go for it. They all are interested in American players. England will be harder due to work permits. She needs to be 18. Hitting the teams right before preseason is best. Many leagues start at different times of year so there are plenty of options to keep trying. Most don't pay enough for you to need an agent, so it can be a win-win on having an opportunity without risking NCAA.

Securing a D1 scholarship offer and using that to get the attention of the pro clubs overseas is effective. At the least maybe it gets you more money from the school if they know you're exploring other options.

Thank you for that overview. I will certainly use that to help inform my DD of her options.

I think it's a fair point on the TD, and of course, some players don't have what it takes. That is often the correct answer, when coach after coach continues to say that player isn't good enough. At the same time, it's also true that players get overlooked. Not every coach gets it right. Carli Lloyd may fall under that category, Griezmann sure does, Didi, and a host of others. All I'm saying with that isn't that any coach is an idiot, but that there's no reason to let one coach or even club set a ceiling on your child. I believe they should be allowed to try as far as they can go. Regret is a terrible thing.

It's totally up to my DD of course. My personal opinion is that if you can go pro and give up the eligibility, you are better off, for many reasons. It's better soccer, but also by trying to do both college and soccer, you can't really do either well. I had a D1 scholarship and wanted to pursue engineering. I ended up having to choose, because there was no way to continue effectively in soccer and engineering at the same time. I chose engineering, which is fine. Times were different, but it would have been nice if I could have chosen soccer instead. College will always be there.

I have friends who went pro first (not in soccer, but other sports), and I think they were smarter. They came back to college after their pro careers were over and lead just as nice a life as I do.

Yes, college will always be there and if there is a legitimate opportunity to play professionally why not try? When will that chance ever happen again? Yes, the money can suck but it is a bucket list endeavor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We all go pro at something considering pro means profession. You know...a JOB. These professional women players are getting paid slightly above a non paid intern to WORK as soccer players. You know...their JOB.

What does minimum wage pay a year? What does the average NWSL player make a year? What's the difference?

Pathway to the Pros is a pathway to being broke.

Your post is silly. You are obviously FCV or Arlington and anti pro club.

Kids play soccer for the love of the sport and to reach their dreams not for the money.

Is that why your family plays travel soccer? If so you are getting a terrible return on your investment. Save your $$$ for tuition. You are making a financial mistake.

Do yourself a favor. Dont contradict yourself while attempting to educate me. Reread what you wrote. Maybe your own deep thoughts will enlighten you.

I'll help getting your brain moving in the right direction.

Your DD is a Spirit player. Let's say she is a 05 in the 7th grade. If you stay with Spirit (or any DA club) until she graduates, you would have spent about 60,000 on soccer. Since your daughter is pro material, she bypassed college and landed a lucrative 25,000 dollar a year contract with a NWSL team. After 5 years of playing (same time you spent on DA), she has made 125,000. After taxes, about 100,000.

Now, I'm going to give you 100,000 and tell you to make it last for 5 years.

Let's say rent is 1000 a month. 12000 a year. 5 years of rent is 60000. You have 40000 now...shall I continue....I can spend it real quick.

NOW

My daughter, not good enough to be a pro, got a partial academic and partial athletic scholarship to college. She lands a job out of college and becomes a PROfessional making a whole lot more than minimum wage.

I have been around the block more then enough to know the breakdown in cost and the return on investments. Starving artist eat out of trash cans.

Is Europe, they invest in you after the dem you good enough to maybe one day make the club money.

In the US, it's the complete opposite.

But thanks for the education

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We all go pro at something considering pro means profession. You know...a JOB. These professional women players are getting paid slightly above a non paid intern to WORK as soccer players. You know...their JOB.

What does minimum wage pay a year? What does the average NWSL player make a year? What's the difference?

Pathway to the Pros is a pathway to being broke.

Your post is silly. You are obviously FCV or Arlington and anti pro club.

Kids play soccer for the love of the sport and to reach their dreams not for the money.

Is that why your family plays travel soccer? If so you are getting a terrible return on your investment. Save your $$$ for tuition. You are making a financial mistake.

Do yourself a favor. Dont contradict yourself while attempting to educate me. Reread what you wrote. Maybe your own deep thoughts will enlighten you.

I'll help getting your brain moving in the right direction.

Your DD is a Spirit player. Let's say she is a 05 in the 7th grade. If you stay with Spirit (or any DA club) until she graduates, you would have spent about 60,000 on soccer. Since your daughter is pro material, she bypassed college and landed a lucrative 25,000 dollar a year contract with a NWSL team. After 5 years of playing (same time you spent on DA), she has made 125,000. After taxes, about 100,000.

Now, I'm going to give you 100,000 and tell you to make it last for 5 years.

Let's say rent is 1000 a month. 12000 a year. 5 years of rent is 60000. You have 40000 now...shall I continue....I can spend it real quick.

NOW

My daughter, not good enough to be a pro, got a partial academic and partial athletic scholarship to college. She lands a job out of college and becomes a PROfessional making a whole lot more than minimum wage.

I have been around the block more then enough to know the breakdown in cost and the return on investments. Starving artist eat out of trash cans.

Is Europe, they invest in you after the dem you good enough to maybe one day make the club money.

In the US, it's the complete opposite.

But thanks for the education

You are welcome. Kinda sucks when someone talks to you in a condescending manner huh? Do yourself a favor. Dont contradict yourself while attempting to educate me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We all go pro at something considering pro means profession. You know...a JOB. These professional women players are getting paid slightly above a non paid intern to WORK as soccer players. You know...their JOB.

What does minimum wage pay a year? What does the average NWSL player make a year? What's the difference?

Pathway to the Pros is a pathway to being broke.

Your post is silly. You are obviously FCV or Arlington and anti pro club.

Kids play soccer for the love of the sport and to reach their dreams not for the money.

Is that why your family plays travel soccer? If so you are getting a terrible return on your investment. Save your $$$ for tuition. You are making a financial mistake.

Do yourself a favor. Dont contradict yourself while attempting to educate me. Reread what you wrote. Maybe your own deep thoughts will enlighten you.

I'll help getting your brain moving in the right direction.

Your DD is a Spirit player. Let's say she is a 05 in the 7th grade. If you stay with Spirit (or any DA club) until she graduates, you would have spent about 60,000 on soccer. Since your daughter is pro material, she bypassed college and landed a lucrative 25,000 dollar a year contract with a NWSL team. After 5 years of playing (same time you spent on DA), she has made 125,000. After taxes, about 100,000.

Now, I'm going to give you 100,000 and tell you to make it last for 5 years.

Let's say rent is 1000 a month. 12000 a year. 5 years of rent is 60000. You have 40000 now...shall I continue....I can spend it real quick.

NOW

My daughter, not good enough to be a pro, got a partial academic and partial athletic scholarship to college. She lands a job out of college and becomes a PROfessional making a whole lot more than minimum wage.

I have been around the block more then enough to know the breakdown in cost and the return on investments. Starving artist eat out of trash cans.

Is Europe, they invest in you after the dem you good enough to maybe one day make the club money.

In the US, it's the complete opposite.

But thanks for the education

You are welcome. Kinda sucks when someone talks to you in a condescending manner huh? Do yourself a favor. Dont contradict yourself while attempting to educate me.

So you offer no rebuttal other than regurgitating my words.

You have no rebuttal.

You see life through the eyes of a sensitive soul.

God bless you. The world needs people like you.

Just make sure you are not getting played for a sucker.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We all go pro at something considering pro means profession. You know...a JOB. These professional women players are getting paid slightly above a non paid intern to WORK as soccer players. You know...their JOB.

What does minimum wage pay a year? What does the average NWSL player make a year? What's the difference?

Pathway to the Pros is a pathway to being broke.

Your post is silly. You are obviously FCV or Arlington and anti pro club.

Kids play soccer for the love of the sport and to reach their dreams not for the money.

Is that why your family plays travel soccer? If so you are getting a terrible return on your investment. Save your $$$ for tuition. You are making a financial mistake.

Do yourself a favor. Dont contradict yourself while attempting to educate me. Reread what you wrote. Maybe your own deep thoughts will enlighten you.

I'll help getting your brain moving in the right direction.

Your DD is a Spirit player. Let's say she is a 05 in the 7th grade. If you stay with Spirit (or any DA club) until she graduates, you would have spent about 60,000 on soccer. Since your daughter is pro material, she bypassed college and landed a lucrative 25,000 dollar a year contract with a NWSL team. After 5 years of playing (same time you spent on DA), she has made 125,000. After taxes, about 100,000.

Now, I'm going to give you 100,000 and tell you to make it last for 5 years.

Let's say rent is 1000 a month. 12000 a year. 5 years of rent is 60000. You have 40000 now...shall I continue....I can spend it real quick.

NOW

My daughter, not good enough to be a pro, got a partial academic and partial athletic scholarship to college. She lands a job out of college and becomes a PROfessional making a whole lot more than minimum wage.

I have been around the block more then enough to know the breakdown in cost and the return on investments. Starving artist eat out of trash cans.

Is Europe, they invest in you after the dem you good enough to maybe one day make the club money.

In the US, it's the complete opposite.

But thanks for the education

You are welcome. Kinda sucks when someone talks to you in a condescending manner huh? Do yourself a favor. Dont contradict yourself while attempting to educate me.

So you offer no rebuttal other than regurgitating my words.

You have no rebuttal.

You see life through the eyes of a sensitive soul.

God bless you. The world needs people like you.

Just make sure you are not getting played for a sucker.

LOL. You don't know me or anyone else on this board. Don't make the assumption everyone is like you. I read your economics lesson and see blah blah blah.

Here is my situation. I can afford to spend whatever on travel soccer. Sorry if your situation is not the same. I want my DD to do what she loves. So stop being condescending and telling people the path to the pros is the path to being broke and then in the next breath try to come of as righteous - god blessing people.

You are a hypocrite.

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Anonymous wrote:We all go pro at something considering pro means profession. You know...a JOB. These professional women players are getting paid slightly above a non paid intern to WORK as soccer players. You know...their JOB.

What does minimum wage pay a year? What does the average NWSL player make a year? What's the difference?

Pathway to the Pros is a pathway to being broke.

Your post is silly. You are obviously FCV or Arlington and anti pro club.

Kids play soccer for the love of the sport and to reach their dreams not for the money.

Is that why your family plays travel soccer? If so you are getting a terrible return on your investment. Save your $$$ for tuition. You are making a financial mistake.

Do yourself a favor. Dont contradict yourself while attempting to educate me. Reread what you wrote. Maybe your own deep thoughts will enlighten you.

I'll help getting your brain moving in the right direction.

Your DD is a Spirit player. Let's say she is a 05 in the 7th grade. If you stay with Spirit (or any DA club) until she graduates, you would have spent about 60,000 on soccer. Since your daughter is pro material, she bypassed college and landed a lucrative 25,000 dollar a year contract with a NWSL team. After 5 years of playing (same time you spent on DA), she has made 125,000. After taxes, about 100,000.

Now, I'm going to give you 100,000 and tell you to make it last for 5 years.

Let's say rent is 1000 a month. 12000 a year. 5 years of rent is 60000. You have 40000 now...shall I continue....I can spend it real quick.

NOW

My daughter, not good enough to be a pro, got a partial academic and partial athletic scholarship to college. She lands a job out of college and becomes a PROfessional making a whole lot more than minimum wage.

I have been around the block more then enough to know the breakdown in cost and the return on investments. Starving artist eat out of trash cans.

Is Europe, they invest in you after the dem you good enough to maybe one day make the club money.

In the US, it's the complete opposite.

But thanks for the education

You are welcome. Kinda sucks when someone talks to you in a condescending manner huh? Do yourself a favor. Dont contradict yourself while attempting to educate me.

So you offer no rebuttal other than regurgitating my words.

You have no rebuttal.

You see life through the eyes of a sensitive soul.

God bless you. The world needs people like you.

Just make sure you are not getting played for a sucker.

Who is getting played for a sucker?

Both sets of parents paid the same amount in soccer. The kid/adult decided what to do with their lives.

1st assumption is the kid skips college to go straight to Pro.
If a kid has the quality to play pro there is a excellent chance for the same scholarship as your kid. If they both play in college they will both receive a degree.

The only difference is by that time an ADULT will have put off the career they earned a degree while they explore the opportunity to play professional soccer.

The 2nd assumption is that the player does not pursue a pro career in Europe where players do make more than living wages.

You are only given one life to live on this planet so if you are given the opportunity to pursue a dream and continue doing what you love doing why not? That safe career will always be there later.