Fire in upper NW?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"W-1 stated that Mr. Savopoulos instructed him to place the money on the seat of his red car which was parked in the garage on his house. W-1 stated that when he arrived at 3201 Woodland Drive he went inside the garage ...."

That was the statement he recanted because he lied statement #2 doesn't mention color

Mosler is probably still in the garage.

First thing that comes to mind when I see a mobile service center for fleets is that they are moving drugs in a big way. Less risky to get caught if you break down if you have your own technician on hand.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The females who were with Wint better start talking.

Hopefully they get a confession from Wint. Without a witness, murder weapon, confession, this is going to be hard to prove imo

I disagree. This is not a high-powered, rich defendant (e.g., OJ) who will be able to hire great lawyers to get him out of this. Wint will absolutely be convicted (DNA on the pizza is enough, but of course there's a lot more evidence). As for the others, we'll have to see what evidence the cops can come up w/, but Wint will be convicted w/out a confession.

Doesn't matter how much money you have. A random jury will decide based on the evidence presented.

That's the most ridiculous, naïve thing I've ever heard. It's all about the money and who Wint has representing him and the arguments they can make. That's the reality of our legal system, like it or not.

[jsteele]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, that's the Audi. The Mosler is in the garage. Read the charging documents. There is no mention of a missing Mosler, and in fact, in context it is clear the car is in the garage.

What page on the charging documents did you see the Mosler being mentioned? I must of missed it

On page 3, W-1 says he was instructed to place the money in the seat of the red car in the garage and then W-1 describes himself unlocking the car and putting the money in it. On page 4, W-1 restates being instructed to place the money in the car in the garage and describes himself placing the money in the car in the garage, but this time not unlocking it. On page 5, a visual inspection of the red sports car in the garage is described. It is an assumption that the red sports car in the garage is the Mosler but that is not explicitly stated.

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Anonymous wrote:Reason for letting 4 seeming accomplices go without arrest is simple: under the Sixth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, certain "speedy trial" rights attach at the moment of arrest. There's a clock that starts, and prosecutors have a limited amount of time within which to obtain an indictment. If they don't, the charges get dismissed. No one wants anybody connected with this crime to be sprung on this basis. With Darron Wint, prosecutors had telltale DNA evidence placing him at the scene of the crime. Easy indictment. The others were clearly involved after the fact, but it may take time and more thorough analysis of evidence to place them at the scene. If they had a role in torturing and murdering this family, you don't want them convicted simply as accessories; you want them charged as principals. I'm sure that arrests will come in the next couple of weeks, and meanwhile, these folks are being watched like hawks.

Thanks for that information. I realized that I've been thinking of Wint as the ringleader but all we know is that his DNA was on the pizza. He could just be a peon and one of the others could have been the ringleader. Hope everyone gets what they deserve.

Exactly. I doubt Wint will give up anyone else invloved.

I think he will. And those involved know he will as well.

Myabe but he's going to be in jail anyway, why tell on them and be stuck in jail with ex-friends now enemies. Especially if someone else murdered the family like that..I wouldn't want that guy pissed and in jail with me.

I think they will argue it was the possibly the brother's dna and he'll walk? with no proof of either actually committing the crime, no murder weapon, etc. they both will walk. With no proof besides the crust it is going to be a hard case.. Let's hope they have way more proof than the pizza crust.

Why all these claims about Wint saying it's his brother's DNA? They aren't identical twins and, thus, their DNA is different, right? What am I missing?

I think a lot of people on this site watch way too many episodes of Law & Order, CSI, etc. In the real world, people are convicted of crimes all the time based on circumstantial evidence. Here, we have Wint's DNA on the pizza crust (at the least). What kind of juror is going to believe that he went up to the door, took a bite of the pizza, and left it in the box? That is ridiculous. People need to realize that murder convictions happen in this country regularly on less evidence than we already know the police have against Wint.

Maybe but good luck getting 12 people to agree and find a man guilty on pizza crust dna. Anyone could frame anyone this way if it were that easy. Think

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And where is the Bentley?

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The police report concludes the discussion of W-1 and the inaccuracies in his account with this sentence:

"A visual inspection was conducted of the red sports car that was parked in side of the garage of 3201 Woodland Drive; there was no visible traces of a manila envelope, loose cash, or any other items on the front seat or floor."

The Mosler is conclusively not missing!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The females who were with Wint better start talking.

Hopefully they get a confession from Wint. Without a witness, murder weapon, confession, this is going to be hard to prove imo

I disagree. This is not a high-powered, rich defendant (e.g., OJ) who will be able to hire great lawyers to get him out of this. Wint will absolutely be convicted (DNA on the pizza is enough, but of course there's a lot more evidence). As for the others, we'll have to see what evidence the cops can come up w/, but Wint will be convicted w/out a confession.

Doesn't matter how much money you have. A random jury will decide based on the evidence presented.

That's the most ridiculous, naïve thing I've ever heard. It's all about the money and who Wint has representing him and the arguments they can make. That's the reality of our legal system, like it or not.

I feel the same about your post. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reason for letting 4 seeming accomplices go without arrest is simple: under the Sixth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, certain "speedy trial" rights attach at the moment of arrest. There's a clock that starts, and prosecutors have a limited amount of time within which to obtain an indictment. If they don't, the charges get dismissed. No one wants anybody connected with this crime to be sprung on this basis. With Darron Wint, prosecutors had telltale DNA evidence placing him at the scene of the crime. Easy indictment. The others were clearly involved after the fact, but it may take time and more thorough analysis of evidence to place them at the scene. If they had a role in torturing and murdering this family, you don't want them convicted simply as accessories; you want them charged as principals. I'm sure that arrests will come in the next couple of weeks, and meanwhile, these folks are being watched like hawks.

Thanks for that information. I realized that I've been thinking of Wint as the ringleader but all we know is that his DNA was on the pizza. He could just be a peon and one of the others could have been the ringleader. Hope everyone gets what they deserve.

Exactly. I doubt Wint will give up anyone else invloved.

I think he will. And those involved know he will as well.

Myabe but he's going to be in jail anyway, why tell on them and be stuck in jail with ex-friends now enemies. Especially if someone else murdered the family like that..I wouldn't want that guy pissed and in jail with me.

I think they will argue it was the possibly the brother's dna and he'll walk? with no proof of either actually committing the crime, no murder weapon, etc. they both will walk. With no proof besides the crust it is going to be a hard case.. Let's hope they have way more proof than the pizza crust.

Why all these claims about Wint saying it's his brother's DNA? They aren't identical twins and, thus, their DNA is different, right? What am I missing?

I think a lot of people on this site watch way too many episodes of Law & Order, CSI, etc. In the real world, people are convicted of crimes all the time based on circumstantial evidence. Here, we have Wint's DNA on the pizza crust (at the least). What kind of juror is going to believe that he went up to the door, took a bite of the pizza, and left it in the box? That is ridiculous. People need to realize that murder convictions happen in this country regularly on less evidence than we already know the police have against Wint.

Maybe but good luck getting 12 people to agree and find a man guilty on pizza crust dna. Anyone could frame anyone this way if it were that easy. Think

This! sadly but true

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The females who were with Wint better start talking.

Hopefully they get a confession from Wint. Without a witness, murder weapon, confession, this is going to be hard to prove imo

I disagree. This is not a high-powered, rich defendant (e.g., OJ) who will be able to hire great lawyers to get him out of this. Wint will absolutely be convicted (DNA on the pizza is enough, but of course there's a lot more evidence). As for the others, we'll have to see what evidence the cops can come up w/, but Wint will be convicted w/out a confession.

+1000, thank god

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reason for letting 4 seeming accomplices go without arrest is simple: under the Sixth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, certain "speedy trial" rights attach at the moment of arrest. There's a clock that starts, and prosecutors have a limited amount of time within which to obtain an indictment. If they don't, the charges get dismissed. No one wants anybody connected with this crime to be sprung on this basis. With Darron Wint, prosecutors had telltale DNA evidence placing him at the scene of the crime. Easy indictment. The others were clearly involved after the fact, but it may take time and more thorough analysis of evidence to place them at the scene. If they had a role in torturing and murdering this family, you don't want them convicted simply as accessories; you want them charged as principals. I'm sure that arrests will come in the next couple of weeks, and meanwhile, these folks are being watched like hawks.

Thanks for that information. I realized that I've been thinking of Wint as the ringleader but all we know is that his DNA was on the pizza. He could just be a peon and one of the others could have been the ringleader. Hope everyone gets what they deserve.

Exactly. I doubt Wint will give up anyone else invloved.

I think he will. And those involved know he will as well.

Myabe but he's going to be in jail anyway, why tell on them and be stuck in jail with ex-friends now enemies. Especially if someone else murdered the family like that..I wouldn't want that guy pissed and in jail with me.

I think they will argue it was the possibly the brother's dna and he'll walk? with no proof of either actually committing the crime, no murder weapon, etc. they both will walk. With no proof besides the crust it is going to be a hard case.. Let's hope they have way more proof than the pizza crust.

Why all these claims about Wint saying it's his brother's DNA? They aren't identical twins and, thus, their DNA is different, right? What am I missing?

I think a lot of people on this site watch way too many episodes of Law & Order, CSI, etc. In the real world, people are convicted of crimes all the time based on circumstantial evidence. Here, we have Wint's DNA on the pizza crust (at the least). What kind of juror is going to believe that he went up to the door, took a bite of the pizza, and left it in the box? That is ridiculous. People need to realize that murder convictions happen in this country regularly on less evidence than we already know the police have against Wint.

Maybe but good luck getting 12 people to agree and find a man guilty on pizza crust dna. Anyone could frame anyone this way if it were that easy. Think

Really?? Anyone could frame someone in this situation? Someone got Wint to take a bite out of the pizza then rushed into a burning house and planted the crust? Please, you are ridiculous. OJ Simpson is one thing. This case is very different. I can guarantee you that if Daron Wint had killed Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman, he would have been convicted on the same evidence. The only reason OJ wasn't convicted was because he is rich, powerful, popular, well-loved, and had really good, expensive lawyers.

I think non-lawyers should stop speculating on the law/legal system here. It's incredibly unhelpful.

[jsteele]

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Really?? Anyone could frame someone in this situation? Someone got Wint to take a bite out of the pizza then rushed into a burning house and planted the crust? Please, you are ridiculous. OJ Simpson is one thing. This case is very different. I can guarantee you that if Daron Wint had killed Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman, he would have been convicted on the same evidence. The only reason OJ wasn't convicted was because he is rich, powerful, popular, well-loved, and had really good, expensive lawyers.

I think non-lawyers should stop speculating on the law/legal system here. It's incredibly unhelpful.

From now on, when planning a home invasion, be sure to pack a mask, gloves, weapon, and pizza crust that someone else has take a bite of.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reason for letting 4 seeming accomplices go without arrest is simple: under the Sixth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, certain "speedy trial" rights attach at the moment of arrest. There's a clock that starts, and prosecutors have a limited amount of time within which to obtain an indictment. If they don't, the charges get dismissed. No one wants anybody connected with this crime to be sprung on this basis. With Darron Wint, prosecutors had telltale DNA evidence placing him at the scene of the crime. Easy indictment. The others were clearly involved after the fact, but it may take time and more thorough analysis of evidence to place them at the scene. If they had a role in torturing and murdering this family, you don't want them convicted simply as accessories; you want them charged as principals. I'm sure that arrests will come in the next couple of weeks, and meanwhile, these folks are being watched like hawks.

Thanks for that information. I realized that I've been thinking of Wint as the ringleader but all we know is that his DNA was on the pizza. He could just be a peon and one of the others could have been the ringleader. Hope everyone gets what they deserve.

Exactly. I doubt Wint will give up anyone else invloved.

I think he will. And those involved know he will as well.

Myabe but he's going to be in jail anyway, why tell on them and be stuck in jail with ex-friends now enemies. Especially if someone else murdered the family like that..I wouldn't want that guy pissed and in jail with me.

I think they will argue it was the possibly the brother's dna and he'll walk? with no proof of either actually committing the crime, no murder weapon, etc. they both will walk. With no proof besides the crust it is going to be a hard case.. Let's hope they have way more proof than the pizza crust.

Why all these claims about Wint saying it's his brother's DNA? They aren't identical twins and, thus, their DNA is different, right? What am I missing?

I think a lot of people on this site watch way too many episodes of Law & Order, CSI, etc. In the real world, people are convicted of crimes all the time based on circumstantial evidence. Here, we have Wint's DNA on the pizza crust (at the least). What kind of juror is going to believe that he went up to the door, took a bite of the pizza, and left it in the box? That is ridiculous. People need to realize that murder convictions happen in this country regularly on less evidence than we already know the police have against Wint.

Maybe but good luck getting 12 people to agree and find a man guilty on pizza crust dna. Anyone could frame anyone this way if it were that easy. Think

Really?? Anyone could frame someone in this situation? Someone got Wint to take a bite out of the pizza then rushed into a burning house and planted the crust? Please, you are ridiculous. OJ Simpson is one thing. This case is very different. I can guarantee you that if Daron Wint had killed Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman, he would have been convicted on the same evidence. The only reason OJ wasn't convicted was because he is rich, powerful, popular, well-loved, and had really good, expensive lawyers.

I think non-lawyers should stop speculating on the law/legal system here. It's incredibly unhelpful.

Who cares about OJ? The reason he wasn't convicted is because there was no evidence that the jury could agree to convict him on! What you'e not understanding is that he is innocent until proven guilty! Can anyone prove that the pizza crust wasn't planted there??? The jury will have to ask themselves this and if there is a doubt from even one person.. it's over. I'm sure they have more evidence but this is all we know of currently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The females who were with Wint better start talking.

Hopefully they get a confession from Wint. Without a witness, murder weapon, confession, this is going to be hard to prove imo

I disagree. This is not a high-powered, rich defendant (e.g., OJ) who will be able to hire great lawyers to get him out of this. Wint will absolutely be convicted (DNA on the pizza is enough, but of course there's a lot more evidence). As for the others, we'll have to see what evidence the cops can come up w/, but Wint will be convicted w/out a confession.

Doesn't matter how much money you have. A random jury will decide based on the evidence presented.

That's the most ridiculous, naïve thing I've ever heard. It's all about the money and who Wint has representing him and the arguments they can make. That's the reality of our legal system, like it or not.

I feel the same about your post. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Is anyone else getting the impression that some posts are written by someone who is weirdly invested in believing that Wint will be found innocent?

It seems very strange to me at this stage of the game when we have absolutely no idea what evidence there is so far. The investigation is in the very early days and the public is not privy to much of anything.

[Anonymous]

Just to close the loop - the original NBCwashington.com article that reported on the missing car has been amended and no longer refers to a missing red car. http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Daron-Wint-Mansion-Murder-DC-Charging-Documents-304744581.html