Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

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Anonymous wrote:They should never have bought Skyview. The neighborhood closest to it doesn’t want to go there. They should enable everyone alone and just make it opt in. All these changes are tearing us apart. Great job, Reid!

FWIW, "the neighborhood closest to it" is Floris, and we 100% want to go there. Our community has been fighting to be included in the Skyview boundary since the school was purchased. 3 of the 4 original maps left parts of Floris out of Skyview, despite the fact that the schools its in the middle of our boundary. Keeping all of Floris — minus the small pockets they are proposing to carve out and send to Fox Mill for some unknown reason — in Skyview is one of the few reasonable things that these maps do, but it took a lot of work to get here.

They didn't keep all of Floris together, the new carve outs equate to nearly 25% of the school. They managed to mess this up again for no reason.

With Scenarios 1&3 swapping in the McNair townhouses off Fox Mill for ???.

They carved out several neighborhoods along both sides of Monroe St. out of Floris and are sending them to Fox Mill in Scenarios 1 & 3, it's a large chunk of Floris. Not sure what's being moved out of Fox Mill to make room though.

Scenarios 1 and 3 take a section of Fox Mill Estates (a portion of which is literally on the same street as Fox Mill ES) and move them to Crossfield. So, basically they are removing a bunch of kids who walk to the school to fit in those additional Floris neighborhoods.

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Anonymous wrote:They should never have bought Skyview. The neighborhood closest to it doesn’t want to go there. They should enable everyone alone and just make it opt in. All these changes are tearing us apart. Great job, Reid!

FWIW, "the neighborhood closest to it" is Floris, and we 100% want to go there. Our community has been fighting to be included in the Skyview boundary since the school was purchased. 3 of the 4 original maps left parts of Floris out of Skyview, despite the fact that the schools its in the middle of our boundary. Keeping all of Floris — minus the small pockets they are proposing to carve out and send to Fox Mill for some unknown reason — in Skyview is one of the few reasonable things that these maps do, but it took a lot of work to get here.

They didn't keep all of Floris together, the new carve outs equate to nearly 25% of the school. They managed to mess this up again for no reason.

With Scenarios 1&3 swapping in the McNair townhouses off Fox Mill for ???.

Just as idiotic as taking the Oak Hill Elem section of Franklin Farm and splitting it off--just a few streets out. Makes no sense.

Wonder how much these people got paid.
They carved out several neighborhoods along both sides of Monroe St. out of Floris and are sending them to Fox Mill in Scenarios 1 & 3, it's a large chunk of Floris. Not sure what's being moved out of Fox Mill to make room though.

Scenarios 1 and 3 take a section of Fox Mill Estates (a portion of which is literally on the same street as Fox Mill ES) and move them to Crossfield. So, basically they are removing a bunch of kids who walk to the school to fit in those additional Floris neighborhoods.

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Anonymous wrote:They should never have bought Skyview. The neighborhood closest to it doesn’t want to go there. They should enable everyone alone and just make it opt in. All these changes are tearing us apart. Great job, Reid!

FWIW, "the neighborhood closest to it" is Floris, and we 100% want to go there. Our community has been fighting to be included in the Skyview boundary since the school was purchased. 3 of the 4 original maps left parts of Floris out of Skyview, despite the fact that the schools its in the middle of our boundary. Keeping all of Floris — minus the small pockets they are proposing to carve out and send to Fox Mill for some unknown reason — in Skyview is one of the few reasonable things that these maps do, but it took a lot of work to get here.

They didn't keep all of Floris together, the new carve outs equate to nearly 25% of the school. They managed to mess this up again for no reason.

With Scenarios 1&3 swapping in the McNair townhouses off Fox Mill for ???.

Just as idiotic as taking the Oak Hill Elem section of Franklin Farm and splitting it off--just a few streets out. Makes no sense.

Wonder how much these people got paid.
They carved out several neighborhoods along both sides of Monroe St. out of Floris and are sending them to Fox Mill in Scenarios 1 & 3, it's a large chunk of Floris. Not sure what's being moved out of Fox Mill to make room though.

Scenarios 1 and 3 take a section of Fox Mill Estates (a portion of which is literally on the same street as Fox Mill ES) and move them to Crossfield. So, basically they are removing a bunch of kids who walk to the school to fit in those additional Floris neighborhoods.

Just as idiotic as taking the Oak Hill Elem section of Franklin Farm and splitting it off--just a few streets out. Makes no sense.

Wonder how much these people got paid.

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Anonymous wrote:Scenario 2 is the only feasible choice.

Whether you like the RIO people or not, the elected officials cannot just ignore their constituents.

The RIO people don't want to move.
Lees Corner people don't want to move.
Many Fox Mill people do want to move.

Scenario B satisfies all these conditions and is also the least disruptive option.

RIO Karen has spoken!

So there is absolutely no one objecting to Scenario B?

Why are the opinions of the RIO people, the Lees Corner people and the Fox Mill people more important than the opinions of People Who Don't Want Option B?

Part of the issue is way too many moving parts. For example: there is a need to fill Westfield. It is clear that Skyview will have an impact on this no matter which option is selected. So, there should be separate options on how to adjust from Chantilly or Centreville. Instead, we have musical chairs with elementary and middle schools included that have little to do with this need. The one thing that should be apparent is that it is ridiculous to move Lee's Corner to Westfield. Whether Crossfield goes to Skyview or stays at Oakton should have nothing to do with this decision.

Disagree. There are lots of suggested moves that make a lot less sense than this one. The logic behind moving lees corner is clear--kids have to be moved into Westfield from somewhere and Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than many other areas. That's the logic and it makes sense. Whether you like it or not is a different question.

I asked you this before and you didn't answer. Which western CVHS neighborhoods are you talking about? This is scenario 1 vs 2 (3 is the same as 2 for this area.) The striped area has so few homes. That's the Bull Run Regional park area. The closest populated area is Uniontown which would be moved from Centreville HS (8 mins away) to Westfield (14 minutes away.) Compare to Lees Corner ES, which is heavily populated, moving from being walkable/bikeable, less than 1 miles away from Chantilly to 5 miles away in heavy traffic to Westfield. If this is your sticking point, your fight to stay at CVHS should have nothing to do with Lees Corner. Lees Corner should be Chantilly HS or Skyview HS, the end.
Scenario 1:


Scenario 2 & 3:

I don't live in the area, but anyone who can use google maps can tell you are being disingenous.

I picked a random street in the "Uniontown" neighborhood-to arrive by 8 am to Westfield on a weekday, its 7.1 miles distance and estimated 14-26 minutes, in heavy traffic with commuters going up 28 north.
From "Lees Corner ES"-which is in the middle of the Lees Corner boundary, its 4.5 miles and 9-20 minutes *against* morning traffic down 50.

Of course it makes more sense to move Lees Corner rather than that area.

Lees corner is 5 minutes from Chantilly. And, with loss of Oak Hill, Chantilly won't be overcrowded...unlike Centreville.

So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

Well, I picked out a "random street" in Lee's Corner neighborhood. Right now it is 20 minutes --and that is in a car, not a school bus from Westfield. And, 5 minutes from Chantilly.

Which specific street?
And why won't you just answer the question asked? So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

You are picking out one "random street" in an area of Bull Run school. I picked out a random street of Lee's Corner. Almost all of Lee's Corner is within five minutes of Chantilly--some likely less.

Sorry, but much of Bull Run is equidistant to Westfield and Centreville. Big difference. And, again, Chantilly will no longer be overcrowded. No need. They can take those Chantilly kids who go to Cub Run. That makes sense if they need to take some from Chantilly to Westfield.
Go find another Centreville area to move.

I am an unaffected Chantilly family so familiar with this area. There is no way Lees Corner is 5 minutes to Chantilly, more like 10 minimum. Westfield maps is a 15 min ride. I too am becoming less sympathetic to your position the more you post time exaggerations like 5 min to Chantilly and 30 min to Westfield.

Great for you. It doesn’t matter if it’s 15 mins or 30. It still doesn’t make sense to move Lees Corner to Westfield and bypass Chantilly and Skyview. Dixit, McDaniel, and Meren all agree.

Look, someone has to move. It also doesn't make sense to move that area of Centreville to Westfield. But you're OK with that, right? Anyone other than your kids, right? I loathe that this process has turned into whoever throws the loudest tantrum like a little 2 year old gets whatever they want.

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Anonymous wrote:Scenario 2 is the only feasible choice.

Whether you like the RIO people or not, the elected officials cannot just ignore their constituents.

The RIO people don't want to move.
Lees Corner people don't want to move.
Many Fox Mill people do want to move.

Scenario B satisfies all these conditions and is also the least disruptive option.

RIO Karen has spoken!

So there is absolutely no one objecting to Scenario B?

Why are the opinions of the RIO people, the Lees Corner people and the Fox Mill people more important than the opinions of People Who Don't Want Option B?

Part of the issue is way too many moving parts. For example: there is a need to fill Westfield. It is clear that Skyview will have an impact on this no matter which option is selected. So, there should be separate options on how to adjust from Chantilly or Centreville. Instead, we have musical chairs with elementary and middle schools included that have little to do with this need. The one thing that should be apparent is that it is ridiculous to move Lee's Corner to Westfield. Whether Crossfield goes to Skyview or stays at Oakton should have nothing to do with this decision.

Disagree. There are lots of suggested moves that make a lot less sense than this one. The logic behind moving lees corner is clear--kids have to be moved into Westfield from somewhere and Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than many other areas. That's the logic and it makes sense. Whether you like it or not is a different question.

I asked you this before and you didn't answer. Which western CVHS neighborhoods are you talking about? This is scenario 1 vs 2 (3 is the same as 2 for this area.) The striped area has so few homes. That's the Bull Run Regional park area. The closest populated area is Uniontown which would be moved from Centreville HS (8 mins away) to Westfield (14 minutes away.) Compare to Lees Corner ES, which is heavily populated, moving from being walkable/bikeable, less than 1 miles away from Chantilly to 5 miles away in heavy traffic to Westfield. If this is your sticking point, your fight to stay at CVHS should have nothing to do with Lees Corner. Lees Corner should be Chantilly HS or Skyview HS, the end.
Scenario 1:


Scenario 2 & 3:

I don't live in the area, but anyone who can use google maps can tell you are being disingenous.

I picked a random street in the "Uniontown" neighborhood-to arrive by 8 am to Westfield on a weekday, its 7.1 miles distance and estimated 14-26 minutes, in heavy traffic with commuters going up 28 north.
From "Lees Corner ES"-which is in the middle of the Lees Corner boundary, its 4.5 miles and 9-20 minutes *against* morning traffic down 50.

Of course it makes more sense to move Lees Corner rather than that area.

Lees corner is 5 minutes from Chantilly. And, with loss of Oak Hill, Chantilly won't be overcrowded...unlike Centreville.

So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

Well, I picked out a "random street" in Lee's Corner neighborhood. Right now it is 20 minutes --and that is in a car, not a school bus from Westfield. And, 5 minutes from Chantilly.

Which specific street?
And why won't you just answer the question asked? So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

You are picking out one "random street" in an area of Bull Run school. I picked out a random street of Lee's Corner. Almost all of Lee's Corner is within five minutes of Chantilly--some likely less.

Sorry, but much of Bull Run is equidistant to Westfield and Centreville. Big difference. And, again, Chantilly will no longer be overcrowded. No need. They can take those Chantilly kids who go to Cub Run. That makes sense if they need to take some from Chantilly to Westfield.
Go find another Centreville area to move.

Which street did you use in Lees Corner? My "random street" was Picket's Post Road.
Why do you keep throwing out non-sequitors? You sound foolish. If you can't admit that 7 miles is farther away than 4 miles (a fact we all know to be true), you are going to have a tough time making a coherent argument to FCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:Scenario 2 is the only feasible choice.

Whether you like the RIO people or not, the elected officials cannot just ignore their constituents.

The RIO people don't want to move.
Lees Corner people don't want to move.
Many Fox Mill people do want to move.

Scenario B satisfies all these conditions and is also the least disruptive option.

RIO Karen has spoken!

So there is absolutely no one objecting to Scenario B?

Why are the opinions of the RIO people, the Lees Corner people and the Fox Mill people more important than the opinions of People Who Don't Want Option B?

Part of the issue is way too many moving parts. For example: there is a need to fill Westfield. It is clear that Skyview will have an impact on this no matter which option is selected. So, there should be separate options on how to adjust from Chantilly or Centreville. Instead, we have musical chairs with elementary and middle schools included that have little to do with this need. The one thing that should be apparent is that it is ridiculous to move Lee's Corner to Westfield. Whether Crossfield goes to Skyview or stays at Oakton should have nothing to do with this decision.

Disagree. There are lots of suggested moves that make a lot less sense than this one. The logic behind moving lees corner is clear--kids have to be moved into Westfield from somewhere and Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than many other areas. That's the logic and it makes sense. Whether you like it or not is a different question.

I asked you this before and you didn't answer. Which western CVHS neighborhoods are you talking about? This is scenario 1 vs 2 (3 is the same as 2 for this area.) The striped area has so few homes. That's the Bull Run Regional park area. The closest populated area is Uniontown which would be moved from Centreville HS (8 mins away) to Westfield (14 minutes away.) Compare to Lees Corner ES, which is heavily populated, moving from being walkable/bikeable, less than 1 miles away from Chantilly to 5 miles away in heavy traffic to Westfield. If this is your sticking point, your fight to stay at CVHS should have nothing to do with Lees Corner. Lees Corner should be Chantilly HS or Skyview HS, the end.
Scenario 1:


Scenario 2 & 3:

I don't live in the area, but anyone who can use google maps can tell you are being disingenous.

I picked a random street in the "Uniontown" neighborhood-to arrive by 8 am to Westfield on a weekday, its 7.1 miles distance and estimated 14-26 minutes, in heavy traffic with commuters going up 28 north.
From "Lees Corner ES"-which is in the middle of the Lees Corner boundary, its 4.5 miles and 9-20 minutes *against* morning traffic down 50.

Of course it makes more sense to move Lees Corner rather than that area.

Lees corner is 5 minutes from Chantilly. And, with loss of Oak Hill, Chantilly won't be overcrowded...unlike Centreville.

So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

Well, I picked out a "random street" in Lee's Corner neighborhood. Right now it is 20 minutes --and that is in a car, not a school bus from Westfield. And, 5 minutes from Chantilly.

Which specific street?
And why won't you just answer the question asked? So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

You are picking out one "random street" in an area of Bull Run school. I picked out a random street of Lee's Corner. Almost all of Lee's Corner is within five minutes of Chantilly--some likely less.

Sorry, but much of Bull Run is equidistant to Westfield and Centreville. Big difference. And, again, Chantilly will no longer be overcrowded. No need. They can take those Chantilly kids who go to Cub Run. That makes sense if they need to take some from Chantilly to Westfield.
Go find another Centreville area to move.

I am an unaffected Chantilly family so familiar with this area. There is no way Lees Corner is 5 minutes to Chantilly, more like 10 minimum. Westfield maps is a 15 min ride. I too am becoming less sympathetic to your position the more you post time exaggerations like 5 min to Chantilly and 30 min to Westfield.

Great for you. It doesn’t matter if it’s 15 mins or 30. It still doesn’t make sense to move Lees Corner to Westfield and bypass Chantilly and Skyview. Dixit, McDaniel, and Meren all agree.

Look, someone has to move. It also doesn't make sense to move that area of Centreville to Westfield. But you're OK with that, right? Anyone other than your kids, right? I loathe that this process has turned into whoever throws the loudest tantrum like a little 2 year old gets whatever they want.

You don't move a neighborhood that is right next door to a school that is more than five miles away. You cannot see that?
Lobby for your neighborhood. Stay at Centreville.
Westfield will still have plenty of kids and Centreville will still be overcrowded.

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Anonymous wrote:They should never have bought Skyview. The neighborhood closest to it doesn’t want to go there. They should enable everyone alone and just make it opt in. All these changes are tearing us apart. Great job, Reid!

FWIW, "the neighborhood closest to it" is Floris, and we 100% want to go there. Our community has been fighting to be included in the Skyview boundary since the school was purchased. 3 of the 4 original maps left parts of Floris out of Skyview, despite the fact that the schools its in the middle of our boundary. Keeping all of Floris — minus the small pockets they are proposing to carve out and send to Fox Mill for some unknown reason — in Skyview is one of the few reasonable things that these maps do, but it took a lot of work to get here.

They didn't keep all of Floris together, the new carve outs equate to nearly 25% of the school. They managed to mess this up again for no reason.

With Scenarios 1&3 swapping in the McNair townhouses off Fox Mill for ???.

I highly doubt that is 25% of Floris. It’s a chunk of the SFH for Floris for sure but so much of Floris is now the new townhomes/Discovery Square.

It was so odd how they did it though splitting it down Monroe but including a small portion of the other side.

Agreed it's not 25% - especially in Scenario 2. I suspect for 1&3 they took a bird and flew it from Monroe Manor II to the McNair townhouses, not realizing that the bird had to fly down Monroe to Fox Mill, take a left at the corner of Monroe/Fox Mill only to get run into and die thanks to VDOT...

With the approved change to Coates and this round, are they trying to avoid/delay building the Silver Line ES?

If you pull the student planning zone maps from the old Coates ES boundary study (a year or two old it looks like) it's roughly 150 kids. So not quite 25%, but it's by no means small pockets.

Interesting. They are clearly trying to make room at Floris for all the new construction. They should have dealt with this during the previous boundary review when they moved kids from Coates.

Found what the OP was referencing, link might help other families. 169 kids, agree it could be to make room for future Coates construction.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjnp9fY-JOUAxXkKlkFHag5A-oQFnoECB4QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fcps.edu%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2FCoates-Area-Boundary-Maps.pdf&usg=AOvVaw1h09lXXxbUBur7bQztijpV&cshid=1777496198035308&opi=89978449

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Anonymous wrote:Scenario 2 is the only feasible choice.

Whether you like the RIO people or not, the elected officials cannot just ignore their constituents.

The RIO people don't want to move.
Lees Corner people don't want to move.
Many Fox Mill people do want to move.

Scenario B satisfies all these conditions and is also the least disruptive option.

RIO Karen has spoken!

So there is absolutely no one objecting to Scenario B?

Why are the opinions of the RIO people, the Lees Corner people and the Fox Mill people more important than the opinions of People Who Don't Want Option B?

Part of the issue is way too many moving parts. For example: there is a need to fill Westfield. It is clear that Skyview will have an impact on this no matter which option is selected. So, there should be separate options on how to adjust from Chantilly or Centreville. Instead, we have musical chairs with elementary and middle schools included that have little to do with this need. The one thing that should be apparent is that it is ridiculous to move Lee's Corner to Westfield. Whether Crossfield goes to Skyview or stays at Oakton should have nothing to do with this decision.

Disagree. There are lots of suggested moves that make a lot less sense than this one. The logic behind moving lees corner is clear--kids have to be moved into Westfield from somewhere and Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than many other areas. That's the logic and it makes sense. Whether you like it or not is a different question.

I asked you this before and you didn't answer. Which western CVHS neighborhoods are you talking about? This is scenario 1 vs 2 (3 is the same as 2 for this area.) The striped area has so few homes. That's the Bull Run Regional park area. The closest populated area is Uniontown which would be moved from Centreville HS (8 mins away) to Westfield (14 minutes away.) Compare to Lees Corner ES, which is heavily populated, moving from being walkable/bikeable, less than 1 miles away from Chantilly to 5 miles away in heavy traffic to Westfield. If this is your sticking point, your fight to stay at CVHS should have nothing to do with Lees Corner. Lees Corner should be Chantilly HS or Skyview HS, the end.
Scenario 1:


Scenario 2 & 3:

I don't live in the area, but anyone who can use google maps can tell you are being disingenous.

I picked a random street in the "Uniontown" neighborhood-to arrive by 8 am to Westfield on a weekday, its 7.1 miles distance and estimated 14-26 minutes, in heavy traffic with commuters going up 28 north.
From "Lees Corner ES"-which is in the middle of the Lees Corner boundary, its 4.5 miles and 9-20 minutes *against* morning traffic down 50.

Of course it makes more sense to move Lees Corner rather than that area.

Lees corner is 5 minutes from Chantilly. And, with loss of Oak Hill, Chantilly won't be overcrowded...unlike Centreville.

So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

Well, I picked out a "random street" in Lee's Corner neighborhood. Right now it is 20 minutes --and that is in a car, not a school bus from Westfield. And, 5 minutes from Chantilly.

Which specific street?
And why won't you just answer the question asked? So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

You are picking out one "random street" in an area of Bull Run school. I picked out a random street of Lee's Corner. Almost all of Lee's Corner is within five minutes of Chantilly--some likely less.

Sorry, but much of Bull Run is equidistant to Westfield and Centreville. Big difference. And, again, Chantilly will no longer be overcrowded. No need. They can take those Chantilly kids who go to Cub Run. That makes sense if they need to take some from Chantilly to Westfield.
Go find another Centreville area to move.

I am an unaffected Chantilly family so familiar with this area. There is no way Lees Corner is 5 minutes to Chantilly, more like 10 minimum. Westfield maps is a 15 min ride. I too am becoming less sympathetic to your position the more you post time exaggerations like 5 min to Chantilly and 30 min to Westfield.

Great for you. It doesn’t matter if it’s 15 mins or 30. It still doesn’t make sense to move Lees Corner to Westfield and bypass Chantilly and Skyview. Dixit, McDaniel, and Meren all agree.

Look, someone has to move. It also doesn't make sense to move that area of Centreville to Westfield. But you're OK with that, right? Anyone other than your kids, right? I loathe that this process has turned into whoever throws the loudest tantrum like a little 2 year old gets whatever they want.

You don't move a neighborhood that is right next door to a school that is more than five miles away. You cannot see that?
Lobby for your neighborhood. Stay at Centreville.
Westfield will still have plenty of kids and Centreville will still be overcrowded.

Don't forget about this sweetie, https://www.fcps.edu/centreville-high-capital-project

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Anonymous wrote:Scenario 2 is the only feasible choice.

Whether you like the RIO people or not, the elected officials cannot just ignore their constituents.

The RIO people don't want to move.
Lees Corner people don't want to move.
Many Fox Mill people do want to move.

Scenario B satisfies all these conditions and is also the least disruptive option.

RIO Karen has spoken!

So there is absolutely no one objecting to Scenario B?

Why are the opinions of the RIO people, the Lees Corner people and the Fox Mill people more important than the opinions of People Who Don't Want Option B?

Part of the issue is way too many moving parts. For example: there is a need to fill Westfield. It is clear that Skyview will have an impact on this no matter which option is selected. So, there should be separate options on how to adjust from Chantilly or Centreville. Instead, we have musical chairs with elementary and middle schools included that have little to do with this need. The one thing that should be apparent is that it is ridiculous to move Lee's Corner to Westfield. Whether Crossfield goes to Skyview or stays at Oakton should have nothing to do with this decision.

Disagree. There are lots of suggested moves that make a lot less sense than this one. The logic behind moving lees corner is clear--kids have to be moved into Westfield from somewhere and Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than many other areas. That's the logic and it makes sense. Whether you like it or not is a different question.

I asked you this before and you didn't answer. Which western CVHS neighborhoods are you talking about? This is scenario 1 vs 2 (3 is the same as 2 for this area.) The striped area has so few homes. That's the Bull Run Regional park area. The closest populated area is Uniontown which would be moved from Centreville HS (8 mins away) to Westfield (14 minutes away.) Compare to Lees Corner ES, which is heavily populated, moving from being walkable/bikeable, less than 1 miles away from Chantilly to 5 miles away in heavy traffic to Westfield. If this is your sticking point, your fight to stay at CVHS should have nothing to do with Lees Corner. Lees Corner should be Chantilly HS or Skyview HS, the end.
Scenario 1:


Scenario 2 & 3:

I don't live in the area, but anyone who can use google maps can tell you are being disingenous.

I picked a random street in the "Uniontown" neighborhood-to arrive by 8 am to Westfield on a weekday, its 7.1 miles distance and estimated 14-26 minutes, in heavy traffic with commuters going up 28 north.
From "Lees Corner ES"-which is in the middle of the Lees Corner boundary, its 4.5 miles and 9-20 minutes *against* morning traffic down 50.

Of course it makes more sense to move Lees Corner rather than that area.

Lees corner is 5 minutes from Chantilly. And, with loss of Oak Hill, Chantilly won't be overcrowded...unlike Centreville.

So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

Well, I picked out a "random street" in Lee's Corner neighborhood. Right now it is 20 minutes --and that is in a car, not a school bus from Westfield. And, 5 minutes from Chantilly.

Which specific street?
And why won't you just answer the question asked? So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

You are picking out one "random street" in an area of Bull Run school. I picked out a random street of Lee's Corner. Almost all of Lee's Corner is within five minutes of Chantilly--some likely less.

Sorry, but much of Bull Run is equidistant to Westfield and Centreville. Big difference. And, again, Chantilly will no longer be overcrowded. No need. They can take those Chantilly kids who go to Cub Run. That makes sense if they need to take some from Chantilly to Westfield.
Go find another Centreville area to move.

I am an unaffected Chantilly family so familiar with this area. There is no way Lees Corner is 5 minutes to Chantilly, more like 10 minimum. Westfield maps is a 15 min ride. I too am becoming less sympathetic to your position the more you post time exaggerations like 5 min to Chantilly and 30 min to Westfield.

This is factually incorrect. The "Striped Area" is hundreds of kids, most of the kids who attend Bull Run ES.. There are a lot of townhouses and a large apartment complex in those striped areas, and a lesser number of SFHs. Its a lot of kids they are trying to move. Because its a lot of ELL and working class families, FCPS will probably move them over the LC whiners, but I agree with pp that its not fair to send these kids twice as far away when there are closer neighborhoods like LC that can and should be moved.

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Anonymous wrote:Scenario 2 is the only feasible choice.

Whether you like the RIO people or not, the elected officials cannot just ignore their constituents.

The RIO people don't want to move.
Lees Corner people don't want to move.
Many Fox Mill people do want to move.

Scenario B satisfies all these conditions and is also the least disruptive option.

RIO Karen has spoken!

So there is absolutely no one objecting to Scenario B?

Why are the opinions of the RIO people, the Lees Corner people and the Fox Mill people more important than the opinions of People Who Don't Want Option B?

Part of the issue is way too many moving parts. For example: there is a need to fill Westfield. It is clear that Skyview will have an impact on this no matter which option is selected. So, there should be separate options on how to adjust from Chantilly or Centreville. Instead, we have musical chairs with elementary and middle schools included that have little to do with this need. The one thing that should be apparent is that it is ridiculous to move Lee's Corner to Westfield. Whether Crossfield goes to Skyview or stays at Oakton should have nothing to do with this decision.

Disagree. There are lots of suggested moves that make a lot less sense than this one. The logic behind moving lees corner is clear--kids have to be moved into Westfield from somewhere and Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than many other areas. That's the logic and it makes sense. Whether you like it or not is a different question.

I asked you this before and you didn't answer. Which western CVHS neighborhoods are you talking about? This is scenario 1 vs 2 (3 is the same as 2 for this area.) The striped area has so few homes. That's the Bull Run Regional park area. The closest populated area is Uniontown which would be moved from Centreville HS (8 mins away) to Westfield (14 minutes away.) Compare to Lees Corner ES, which is heavily populated, moving from being walkable/bikeable, less than 1 miles away from Chantilly to 5 miles away in heavy traffic to Westfield. If this is your sticking point, your fight to stay at CVHS should have nothing to do with Lees Corner. Lees Corner should be Chantilly HS or Skyview HS, the end.
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Scenario 2 & 3:

I don't live in the area, but anyone who can use google maps can tell you are being disingenous.

I picked a random street in the "Uniontown" neighborhood-to arrive by 8 am to Westfield on a weekday, its 7.1 miles distance and estimated 14-26 minutes, in heavy traffic with commuters going up 28 north.
From "Lees Corner ES"-which is in the middle of the Lees Corner boundary, its 4.5 miles and 9-20 minutes *against* morning traffic down 50.

Of course it makes more sense to move Lees Corner rather than that area.

Lees corner is 5 minutes from Chantilly. And, with loss of Oak Hill, Chantilly won't be overcrowded...unlike Centreville.

So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

Well, I picked out a "random street" in Lee's Corner neighborhood. Right now it is 20 minutes --and that is in a car, not a school bus from Westfield. And, 5 minutes from Chantilly.

Which specific street?
And why won't you just answer the question asked? So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

You are picking out one "random street" in an area of Bull Run school. I picked out a random street of Lee's Corner. Almost all of Lee's Corner is within five minutes of Chantilly--some likely less.

Sorry, but much of Bull Run is equidistant to Westfield and Centreville. Big difference. And, again, Chantilly will no longer be overcrowded. No need. They can take those Chantilly kids who go to Cub Run. That makes sense if they need to take some from Chantilly to Westfield.
Go find another Centreville area to move.

I am an unaffected Chantilly family so familiar with this area. There is no way Lees Corner is 5 minutes to Chantilly, more like 10 minimum. Westfield maps is a 15 min ride. I too am becoming less sympathetic to your position the more you post time exaggerations like 5 min to Chantilly and 30 min to Westfield.

Great for you. It doesn’t matter if it’s 15 mins or 30. It still doesn’t make sense to move Lees Corner to Westfield and bypass Chantilly and Skyview. Dixit, McDaniel, and Meren all agree.

Look, someone has to move. It also doesn't make sense to move that area of Centreville to Westfield. But you're OK with that, right? Anyone other than your kids, right? I loathe that this process has turned into whoever throws the loudest tantrum like a little 2 year old gets whatever they want.

You don't move a neighborhood that is right next door to a school that is more than five miles away. You cannot see that?
Lobby for your neighborhood. Stay at Centreville.
Westfield will still have plenty of kids and Centreville will still be overcrowded.

Sure, you can, if you have to fill that farther away school. Lots of boundaries all over FCPS are drawn like that. Sucks but those are the breaks.

Its clear from the maps that to get enough kids at Westfield to replace all the Skyview rezones, they either need that Bull Run area, or Lees Corner. The smaller portion of CHS they are moving which is part of Cub Run is not enough bodies to move the needle.

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Do kids from the Lees Corner neighborhoods cross Route 50 on foot to get to Chantilly HS? Just wondering

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Anonymous wrote:They should never have bought Skyview. The neighborhood closest to it doesn’t want to go there. They should enable everyone alone and just make it opt in. All these changes are tearing us apart. Great job, Reid!

FWIW, "the neighborhood closest to it" is Floris, and we 100% want to go there. Our community has been fighting to be included in the Skyview boundary since the school was purchased. 3 of the 4 original maps left parts of Floris out of Skyview, despite the fact that the schools its in the middle of our boundary. Keeping all of Floris — minus the small pockets they are proposing to carve out and send to Fox Mill for some unknown reason — in Skyview is one of the few reasonable things that these maps do, but it took a lot of work to get here.

They didn't keep all of Floris together, the new carve outs equate to nearly 25% of the school. They managed to mess this up again for no reason.

With Scenarios 1&3 swapping in the McNair townhouses off Fox Mill for ???.

I highly doubt that is 25% of Floris. It’s a chunk of the SFH for Floris for sure but so much of Floris is now the new townhomes/Discovery Square.

It was so odd how they did it though splitting it down Monroe but including a small portion of the other side.

Agreed it's not 25% - especially in Scenario 2. I suspect for 1&3 they took a bird and flew it from Monroe Manor II to the McNair townhouses, not realizing that the bird had to fly down Monroe to Fox Mill, take a left at the corner of Monroe/Fox Mill only to get run into and die thanks to VDOT...

With the approved change to Coates and this round, are they trying to avoid/delay building the Silver Line ES?

If you pull the student planning zone maps from the old Coates ES boundary study (a year or two old it looks like) it's roughly 150 kids. So not quite 25%, but it's by no means small pockets.

Interesting. They are clearly trying to make room at Floris for all the new construction. They should have dealt with this during the previous boundary review when they moved kids from Coates.

Found what the OP was referencing, link might help other families. 169 kids, agree it could be to make room for future Coates construction.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjnp9fY-JOUAxXkKlkFHag5A-oQFnoECB4QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fcps.edu%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2FCoates-Area-Boundary-Maps.pdf&usg=AOvVaw1h09lXXxbUBur7bQztijpV&cshid=1777496198035308&opi=89978449

Are the Floris changes coupled with the Coates changes in the County Wide RD intended to delay/eliminate construction of the Silver Line ES?

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Anonymous wrote:Scenario 2 is the only feasible choice.

Whether you like the RIO people or not, the elected officials cannot just ignore their constituents.

The RIO people don't want to move.
Lees Corner people don't want to move.
Many Fox Mill people do want to move.

Scenario B satisfies all these conditions and is also the least disruptive option.

RIO Karen has spoken!

So there is absolutely no one objecting to Scenario B?

Why are the opinions of the RIO people, the Lees Corner people and the Fox Mill people more important than the opinions of People Who Don't Want Option B?

Part of the issue is way too many moving parts. For example: there is a need to fill Westfield. It is clear that Skyview will have an impact on this no matter which option is selected. So, there should be separate options on how to adjust from Chantilly or Centreville. Instead, we have musical chairs with elementary and middle schools included that have little to do with this need. The one thing that should be apparent is that it is ridiculous to move Lee's Corner to Westfield. Whether Crossfield goes to Skyview or stays at Oakton should have nothing to do with this decision.

Disagree. There are lots of suggested moves that make a lot less sense than this one. The logic behind moving lees corner is clear--kids have to be moved into Westfield from somewhere and Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than many other areas. That's the logic and it makes sense. Whether you like it or not is a different question.

I asked you this before and you didn't answer. Which western CVHS neighborhoods are you talking about? This is scenario 1 vs 2 (3 is the same as 2 for this area.) The striped area has so few homes. That's the Bull Run Regional park area. The closest populated area is Uniontown which would be moved from Centreville HS (8 mins away) to Westfield (14 minutes away.) Compare to Lees Corner ES, which is heavily populated, moving from being walkable/bikeable, less than 1 miles away from Chantilly to 5 miles away in heavy traffic to Westfield. If this is your sticking point, your fight to stay at CVHS should have nothing to do with Lees Corner. Lees Corner should be Chantilly HS or Skyview HS, the end.
Scenario 1:


Scenario 2 & 3:

I don't live in the area, but anyone who can use google maps can tell you are being disingenous.

I picked a random street in the "Uniontown" neighborhood-to arrive by 8 am to Westfield on a weekday, its 7.1 miles distance and estimated 14-26 minutes, in heavy traffic with commuters going up 28 north.
From "Lees Corner ES"-which is in the middle of the Lees Corner boundary, its 4.5 miles and 9-20 minutes *against* morning traffic down 50.

Of course it makes more sense to move Lees Corner rather than that area.

Lees corner is 5 minutes from Chantilly. And, with loss of Oak Hill, Chantilly won't be overcrowded...unlike Centreville.

So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

Well, I picked out a "random street" in Lee's Corner neighborhood. Right now it is 20 minutes --and that is in a car, not a school bus from Westfield. And, 5 minutes from Chantilly.

Which specific street?
And why won't you just answer the question asked? So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

You are picking out one "random street" in an area of Bull Run school. I picked out a random street of Lee's Corner. Almost all of Lee's Corner is within five minutes of Chantilly--some likely less.

Sorry, but much of Bull Run is equidistant to Westfield and Centreville. Big difference. And, again, Chantilly will no longer be overcrowded. No need. They can take those Chantilly kids who go to Cub Run. That makes sense if they need to take some from Chantilly to Westfield.
Go find another Centreville area to move.

I am an unaffected Chantilly family so familiar with this area. There is no way Lees Corner is 5 minutes to Chantilly, more like 10 minimum. Westfield maps is a 15 min ride. I too am becoming less sympathetic to your position the more you post time exaggerations like 5 min to Chantilly and 30 min to Westfield.

This is factually incorrect. The "Striped Area" is hundreds of kids, most of the kids who attend Bull Run ES.. There are a lot of townhouses and a large apartment complex in those striped areas, and a lesser number of SFHs. Its a lot of kids they are trying to move. Because its a lot of ELL and working class families, FCPS will probably move them over the LC whiners, but I agree with pp that its not fair to send these kids twice as far away when there are closer neighborhoods like LC that can and should be moved.

What is incorrect? Are you quoting the wrong post? You address nothing in my post and talk about Bull Run, which we appear to hold the same position on.

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Anonymous wrote:Do kids from the Lees Corner neighborhoods cross Route 50 on foot to get to Chantilly HS? Just wondering

Yes, they do. Saw some walking in the rain today. Frankly, it's probably faster to bus to Westfield than to walk 1.5 miles to Chantilly for some of them.

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Anonymous wrote:Scenario 2 is the only feasible choice.

Whether you like the RIO people or not, the elected officials cannot just ignore their constituents.

The RIO people don't want to move.
Lees Corner people don't want to move.
Many Fox Mill people do want to move.

Scenario B satisfies all these conditions and is also the least disruptive option.

RIO Karen has spoken!

So there is absolutely no one objecting to Scenario B?

Why are the opinions of the RIO people, the Lees Corner people and the Fox Mill people more important than the opinions of People Who Don't Want Option B?

Part of the issue is way too many moving parts. For example: there is a need to fill Westfield. It is clear that Skyview will have an impact on this no matter which option is selected. So, there should be separate options on how to adjust from Chantilly or Centreville. Instead, we have musical chairs with elementary and middle schools included that have little to do with this need. The one thing that should be apparent is that it is ridiculous to move Lee's Corner to Westfield. Whether Crossfield goes to Skyview or stays at Oakton should have nothing to do with this decision.

Disagree. There are lots of suggested moves that make a lot less sense than this one. The logic behind moving lees corner is clear--kids have to be moved into Westfield from somewhere and Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than many other areas. That's the logic and it makes sense. Whether you like it or not is a different question.

I asked you this before and you didn't answer. Which western CVHS neighborhoods are you talking about? This is scenario 1 vs 2 (3 is the same as 2 for this area.) The striped area has so few homes. That's the Bull Run Regional park area. The closest populated area is Uniontown which would be moved from Centreville HS (8 mins away) to Westfield (14 minutes away.) Compare to Lees Corner ES, which is heavily populated, moving from being walkable/bikeable, less than 1 miles away from Chantilly to 5 miles away in heavy traffic to Westfield. If this is your sticking point, your fight to stay at CVHS should have nothing to do with Lees Corner. Lees Corner should be Chantilly HS or Skyview HS, the end.
Scenario 1:


Scenario 2 & 3:

I don't live in the area, but anyone who can use google maps can tell you are being disingenous.

I picked a random street in the "Uniontown" neighborhood-to arrive by 8 am to Westfield on a weekday, its 7.1 miles distance and estimated 14-26 minutes, in heavy traffic with commuters going up 28 north.
From "Lees Corner ES"-which is in the middle of the Lees Corner boundary, its 4.5 miles and 9-20 minutes *against* morning traffic down 50.

Of course it makes more sense to move Lees Corner rather than that area.

Lees corner is 5 minutes from Chantilly. And, with loss of Oak Hill, Chantilly won't be overcrowded...unlike Centreville.

So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

Well, I picked out a "random street" in Lee's Corner neighborhood. Right now it is 20 minutes --and that is in a car, not a school bus from Westfield. And, 5 minutes from Chantilly.

Which specific street?
And why won't you just answer the question asked? So you agree that Lees Corner is closer to Westfield than that area of Centreville?

You are picking out one "random street" in an area of Bull Run school. I picked out a random street of Lee's Corner. Almost all of Lee's Corner is within five minutes of Chantilly--some likely less.

Sorry, but much of Bull Run is equidistant to Westfield and Centreville. Big difference. And, again, Chantilly will no longer be overcrowded. No need. They can take those Chantilly kids who go to Cub Run. That makes sense if they need to take some from Chantilly to Westfield.
Go find another Centreville area to move.

I am an unaffected Chantilly family so familiar with this area. There is no way Lees Corner is 5 minutes to Chantilly, more like 10 minimum. Westfield maps is a 15 min ride. I too am becoming less sympathetic to your position the more you post time exaggerations like 5 min to Chantilly and 30 min to Westfield.

Great for you. It doesn’t matter if it’s 15 mins or 30. It still doesn’t make sense to move Lees Corner to Westfield and bypass Chantilly and Skyview. Dixit, McDaniel, and Meren all agree.

Look, someone has to move. It also doesn't make sense to move that area of Centreville to Westfield. But you're OK with that, right? Anyone other than your kids, right? I loathe that this process has turned into whoever throws the loudest tantrum like a little 2 year old gets whatever they want.

You don't move a neighborhood that is right next door to a school that is more than five miles away. You cannot see that?
Lobby for your neighborhood. Stay at Centreville.
Westfield will still have plenty of kids and Centreville will still be overcrowded.

Don't forget about this sweetie, https://www.fcps.edu/centreville-high-capital-project

DP. Looking at these draft scenarios, all three of the scenarios have Centreville at 86% utilization or slightly over 1800 kids after CVHS kids move to either Chantilly (Scenario 1) or Westfield (Scenarios 2 and 3). How on earth do they continue to justify a major expansion of Centreville anticipating something like this?