Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing against Jewish Americans at all, I just fail to see where their issues take precedence over any other oppressed American.

I would also point out for many, many, many Jewish Americans “their issue” here is actually stopping the U.S. enabling this bloodbath. That’s why rabbis keep getting arrested at these protests. They are people of conscience and I hope when this is in the rear view mirror people take a moment to reflect on the moral courage it took.

People who pretend to be Jewish, but do not fully and unconditionally support Israel, are not Jewish.

Those so-called “Rabbis” may use the word, but real Jews know they are little more then anti-Semitic pro-Hamas terrorists.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.

"Genocide" has always been a reach. But then again, it's not a reach to people who deny that 6 million Jews were systematically and deliberately killed by the Nazis.

Yes, the Holocaust happened unfortunately, but almost everyone responsible for this atrocity is dead today. Hopefully, as Americans anyway, we have learned from this and move on and try and realize that most American nonJews born after WWII, in my experience anyway, harbor no hatred or prejudice toward Jews, they’re indifferent, they don’t even realize who is jewish or not. It’s not a topic of conversation for most American non jewish people, it’s a nonissue. I have jewish friends who I didn’t even reaize were jewish initially, they live productive comfortable lives here in the US.

Many Hamas leaders deny the Holocaust happened, as do many other anti-semitic groups. And it's those same people who are trying to frame what's happening in Gaza as being the worst genocide in history. It's a major reach.

Most Americans have no dog in this fight though. We have bigger fish to fry.

of course we do. The spread of autocratic governments endangers us. They tend to be agressive (see Putin and the Hamas attack) and they will come for us.

Israel is a country led by a corrupt, criminal leader who has a stranglehold on an entire nation thanks to the support of a radical right-wing political party. Is this what democracy looks like to the US? This is a banana Republic, not a democracy.

Flawed, but vastly preferred over an Islamic state where women are second class citizens, gays are executed from rooftops, and a significant percentage of the populace wants to murder infidels in pursuit of eternal paradise.

You are describing one manifestation of Islam practiced by one group of Muslims. To generalize from this to all Muslims is Islamophobic. It's akin to claiming all Buddhists are like the war-mongering, racist Buddhist faction in Myanmar that persecutes Muslims. Some Palestinians are Christian or secular rather than Muslim, and some Palestinian Muslims are pacifists.

I would not want to see all Jews stereotyped as being brutal, barbaric, racist Zionists who want an ethnically Jewish state where Palestinians are second-class citizens, Palestinians are executed from the rooftops of their own homes by settler terrorists, and a significant percentage of the populace wants to murder all Palestinians in pursuit of a Zionist paradise.

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing against Jewish Americans at all, I just fail to see where their issues take precedence over any other oppressed American.

I would also point out for many, many, many Jewish Americans “their issue” here is actually stopping the U.S. enabling this bloodbath. That’s why rabbis keep getting arrested at these protests. They are people of conscience and I hope when this is in the rear view mirror people take a moment to reflect on the moral courage it took.

People who pretend to be Jewish, but do not fully and unconditionally support Israel, are not Jewish.

Those so-called “Rabbis” may use the word, but real Jews know they are little more then anti-Semitic pro-Hamas terrorists.

Wow…seems like some brainwashing going on here, that’s a bit extreme. So, who determines if one is actually Jewish then, you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing against Jewish Americans at all, I just fail to see where their issues take precedence over any other oppressed American.

I would also point out for many, many, many Jewish Americans “their issue” here is actually stopping the U.S. enabling this bloodbath. That’s why rabbis keep getting arrested at these protests. They are people of conscience and I hope when this is in the rear view mirror people take a moment to reflect on the moral courage it took.

People who pretend to be Jewish, but do not fully and unconditionally support Israel, are not Jewish.

Those so-called “Rabbis” may use the word, but real Jews know they are little more then anti-Semitic pro-Hamas terrorists.

Wow…seems like some brainwashing going on here, that’s a bit extreme. So, who determines if one is actually Jewish then, you?

It’s not hard at all. Either you unconditionally support and praise Israel’s humanitarian mission in Gaza, or you support Hamas in its genocidal mission against Jewish people all over the world.

No middle ground.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.

"Genocide" has always been a reach. But then again, it's not a reach to people who deny that 6 million Jews were systematically and deliberately killed by the Nazis.

Yes, the Holocaust happened unfortunately, but almost everyone responsible for this atrocity is dead today. Hopefully, as Americans anyway, we have learned from this and move on and try and realize that most American nonJews born after WWII, in my experience anyway, harbor no hatred or prejudice toward Jews, they’re indifferent, they don’t even realize who is jewish or not. It’s not a topic of conversation for most American non jewish people, it’s a nonissue. I have jewish friends who I didn’t even reaize were jewish initially, they live productive comfortable lives here in the US.

In case you missed it, there has been a huge increase in antisemitic incidents in the U.S.

There's a huge increase in all kinds of -isms in the US - Jews aren't special in the hatred they get.

There's an increase in pro-Palestinian sentiment and a backlash against Zionism. Neither of these is necessarily antisemitic in the sense of being anti-Jewish, but they are widely interpreted as the same thing. Sadly, there are increases in genuine antisemitic and Islamophobic incidents. Regarding the latter, there was the case of the 6yo Muslim boy stabbed to death and his mother injured, and the shooting of three Muslim students, one of whom is now paralyzed.

Was this in the US?

Yes. The 6yo Palestinian American boy was stabbed 26 times last October by his landlord in Plainfield, IL. He died. His mother was stabbed a dozen times and survived. Detectives determined the attack was predicated on their being Muslim. Three college students (one each from Haverford, Trinity, and Brown) of Palestinian descent were shot in Vermont last November. They were wearing keffiyeh scarves at the time and conversing in both English and Arabic. The 20yo student from Brown is now paralyzed from the chest down. American Muslims say the spike in Islamophobic incidents since October 7 is reminiscent of the post-9/11 period.

Is that anything to compare to the living hell Jewish people in the US are currently having to endure as they watch posters of their beloved hostages defaced and defiles by brutal, heartless pro-Hamas terrorists? As they hear the crazy left calling for their genocide through ceasefire? As they are persecuted in the halls of their universities as the leaders of their schools go in front of congress to spew hate towards Jews to rapturous applause?

Do not try to claim anti-Muslim sentiment is even slightly comparable to the anti-semi Tim’s faced by the Jewish people. Period.

Are you trying to be ironic? Yes, being stabbed to death when you are six years old or shot or shot and paralyzed when you're 20 is a heck of a lot worse than seeing pictures of hostages defaced. Given the choice, I think most of us would prefer to watch an image being defiled than to be stabbed to death or shot and paralyzed. I mean, that's a no-brainer.

Also, calls for a ceasefire are NOT calls for Jewish genocide. They are calls to PREVENT Palestinian genocide. Gaza is virtually uninhabitable, Palestinian children are being butchered in their thousands, and starvation and disease are killing innocent Palestinians. Why would anyone with an ounce of humanity NOT call for a ceasefire?

I also don't see anyone "spewing hate" towards Jews. The criticism is partly of Zionism, but more specifically of Israel's absolutely barbaric behavior in Gaza and in the West Bank.

Only a pathological narcissist with a master race complex would think the incidents you describe are worse than the brutal attacks I described. Have you absolutely no empathy or compassion for Palestinians or people of Palestinian descent? I am frankly shocked and disgusted by your Islamophobia and your astonishingly jaw-dropping sense of entitlement.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing against Jewish Americans at all, I just fail to see where their issues take precedence over any other oppressed American.

I would also point out for many, many, many Jewish Americans “their issue” here is actually stopping the U.S. enabling this bloodbath. That’s why rabbis keep getting arrested at these protests. They are people of conscience and I hope when this is in the rear view mirror people take a moment to reflect on the moral courage it took.

People who pretend to be Jewish, but do not fully and unconditionally support Israel, are not Jewish.

Those so-called “Rabbis” may use the word, but real Jews know they are little more then anti-Semitic pro-Hamas terrorists.

Of course they are Jewish! They may not be Zionists, but they are certainly Jewish.

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing against Jewish Americans at all, I just fail to see where their issues take precedence over any other oppressed American.

I would also point out for many, many, many Jewish Americans “their issue” here is actually stopping the U.S. enabling this bloodbath. That’s why rabbis keep getting arrested at these protests. They are people of conscience and I hope when this is in the rear view mirror people take a moment to reflect on the moral courage it took.

People who pretend to be Jewish, but do not fully and unconditionally support Israel, are not Jewish.

Those so-called “Rabbis” may use the word, but real Jews know they are little more then anti-Semitic pro-Hamas terrorists.

Wow…seems like some brainwashing going on here, that’s a bit extreme. So, who determines if one is actually Jewish then, you?

It’s not hard at all. Either you unconditionally support and praise Israel’s humanitarian mission in Gaza, or you support Hamas in its genocidal mission against Jewish people all over the world.

No middle ground.

Given that worldview, it’s hard to imagine anyone who dwells in your midst shying away from Door #2.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.

"Genocide" has always been a reach. But then again, it's not a reach to people who deny that 6 million Jews were systematically and deliberately killed by the Nazis.

Yes, the Holocaust happened unfortunately, but almost everyone responsible for this atrocity is dead today. Hopefully, as Americans anyway, we have learned from this and move on and try and realize that most American nonJews born after WWII, in my experience anyway, harbor no hatred or prejudice toward Jews, they’re indifferent, they don’t even realize who is jewish or not. It’s not a topic of conversation for most American non jewish people, it’s a nonissue. I have jewish friends who I didn’t even reaize were jewish initially, they live productive comfortable lives here in the US.

In case you missed it, there has been a huge increase in antisemitic incidents in the U.S.

There's a huge increase in all kinds of -isms in the US - Jews aren't special in the hatred they get.

Jews make up a tiny part of the population but are victims of the most hate crimes of any religious groups. So, sorry, but they are special in the hatred directed against them.

Historically? okay. The here and now in the US? I don’t know, all I know is I am worried about mentally ill children/teens/adults having access to firearms and no mental health resources amongst other pressing issues. I have zero connection or ties to the ME and neither do most Americans.

Except that our tax dollars that pay for Israel to murder Palestinians en masse could be used to help prevent mentally ill children/teens/adults from murdering their fellow Americans en masse.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.

"Genocide" has always been a reach. But then again, it's not a reach to people who deny that 6 million Jews were systematically and deliberately killed by the Nazis.

Yes, the Holocaust happened unfortunately, but almost everyone responsible for this atrocity is dead today. Hopefully, as Americans anyway, we have learned from this and move on and try and realize that most American nonJews born after WWII, in my experience anyway, harbor no hatred or prejudice toward Jews, they’re indifferent, they don’t even realize who is jewish or not. It’s not a topic of conversation for most American non jewish people, it’s a nonissue. I have jewish friends who I didn’t even reaize were jewish initially, they live productive comfortable lives here in the US.

Many Hamas leaders deny the Holocaust happened, as do many other anti-semitic groups. And it's those same people who are trying to frame what's happening in Gaza as being the worst genocide in history. It's a major reach.

Most Americans have no dog in this fight though. We have bigger fish to fry.

of course we do. The spread of autocratic governments endangers us. They tend to be agressive (see Putin and the Hamas attack) and they will come for us.

Israel is a country led by a corrupt, criminal leader who has a stranglehold on an entire nation thanks to the support of a radical right-wing political party. Is this what democracy looks like to the US? This is a banana Republic, not a democracy.

Flawed, but vastly preferred over an Islamic state where women are second class citizens, gays are executed from rooftops, and a significant percentage of the populace wants to murder infidels in pursuit of eternal paradise.

You are describing one manifestation of Islam practiced by one group of Muslims. To generalize from this to all Muslims is Islamophobic. It's akin to claiming all Buddhists are like the war-mongering, racist Buddhist faction in Myanmar that persecutes Muslims. Some Palestinians are Christian or secular rather than Muslim, and some Palestinian Muslims are pacifists.

I would not want to see all Jews stereotyped as being brutal, barbaric, racist Zionists who want an ethnically Jewish state where Palestinians are second-class citizens, Palestinians are executed from the rooftops of their own homes by settler terrorists, and a significant percentage of the populace wants to murder all Palestinians in pursuit of a Zionist paradise.

You are intentionally conflating ethnic and religious issues.

No Buddhists in Myanmar are killing Muslims because they are instructed by their God to do so.

Some Muslims are Pacifists but that doesn’t change the reality that their Holy Books command the murder of infidels and that is indeed cited by terrorists as the murder civilians in thousands of terror attacks that occur globally. Muslim pacifists exist and should be recognized however they are quite literally disobeying orders from god and Mohammad as written in the Quran.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.

"Genocide" has always been a reach. But then again, it's not a reach to people who deny that 6 million Jews were systematically and deliberately killed by the Nazis.

Yes, the Holocaust happened unfortunately, but almost everyone responsible for this atrocity is dead today. Hopefully, as Americans anyway, we have learned from this and move on and try and realize that most American nonJews born after WWII, in my experience anyway, harbor no hatred or prejudice toward Jews, they’re indifferent, they don’t even realize who is jewish or not. It’s not a topic of conversation for most American non jewish people, it’s a nonissue. I have jewish friends who I didn’t even reaize were jewish initially, they live productive comfortable lives here in the US.

In case you missed it, there has been a huge increase in antisemitic incidents in the U.S.

There's a huge increase in all kinds of -isms in the US - Jews aren't special in the hatred they get.

There's an increase in pro-Palestinian sentiment and a backlash against Zionism. Neither of these is necessarily antisemitic in the sense of being anti-Jewish, but they are widely interpreted as the same thing. Sadly, there are increases in genuine antisemitic and Islamophobic incidents. Regarding the latter, there was the case of the 6yo Muslim boy stabbed to death and his mother injured, and the shooting of three Muslim students, one of whom is now paralyzed.

Was this in the US?

Yes. The 6yo Palestinian American boy was stabbed 26 times last October by his landlord in Plainfield, IL. He died. His mother was stabbed a dozen times and survived. Detectives determined the attack was predicated on their being Muslim. Three college students (one each from Haverford, Trinity, and Brown) of Palestinian descent were shot in Vermont last November. They were wearing keffiyeh scarves at the time and conversing in both English and Arabic. The 20yo student from Brown is now paralyzed from the chest down. American Muslims say the spike in Islamophobic incidents since October 7 is reminiscent of the post-9/11 period.

Is that anything to compare to the living hell Jewish people in the US are currently having to endure as they watch posters of their beloved hostages defaced and defiles by brutal, heartless pro-Hamas terrorists? As they hear the crazy left calling for their genocide through ceasefire? As they are persecuted in the halls of their universities as the leaders of their schools go in front of congress to spew hate towards Jews to rapturous applause?

Do not try to claim anti-Muslim sentiment is even slightly comparable to the anti-semi Tim’s faced by the Jewish people. Period.

Are you trying to be ironic? Yes, being stabbed to death when you are six years old or shot or shot and paralyzed when you're 20 is a heck of a lot worse than seeing pictures of hostages defaced. Given the choice, I think most of us would prefer to watch an image being defiled than to be stabbed to death or shot and paralyzed. I mean, that's a no-brainer.

Also, calls for a ceasefire are NOT calls for Jewish genocide. They are calls to PREVENT Palestinian genocide. Gaza is virtually uninhabitable, Palestinian children are being butchered in their thousands, and starvation and disease are killing innocent Palestinians. Why would anyone with an ounce of humanity NOT call for a ceasefire?

I also don't see anyone "spewing hate" towards Jews. The criticism is partly of Zionism, but more specifically of Israel's absolutely barbaric behavior in Gaza and in the West Bank.

Only a pathological narcissist with a master race complex would think the incidents you describe are worse than the brutal attacks I described. Have you absolutely no empathy or compassion for Palestinians or people of Palestinian descent? I am frankly shocked and disgusted by your Islamophobia and your astonishingly jaw-dropping sense of entitlement.

The show stopper detail you’re not even mentioning is just how MANY people have been brainwashed into a sense of entitlement and a guiding principle of contempt for those who are not in the tribe. It’s definitely not all, for which we should all be thankful. But every last one haunting these threads with persistent, unconditional, and throaty defense of Israel falls into that group, unfortunately.

To them, tribe over everything - even humanity.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.

"Genocide" has always been a reach. But then again, it's not a reach to people who deny that 6 million Jews were systematically and deliberately killed by the Nazis.

Yes, the Holocaust happened unfortunately, but almost everyone responsible for this atrocity is dead today. Hopefully, as Americans anyway, we have learned from this and move on and try and realize that most American nonJews born after WWII, in my experience anyway, harbor no hatred or prejudice toward Jews, they’re indifferent, they don’t even realize who is jewish or not. It’s not a topic of conversation for most American non jewish people, it’s a nonissue. I have jewish friends who I didn’t even reaize were jewish initially, they live productive comfortable lives here in the US.

In case you missed it, there has been a huge increase in antisemitic incidents in the U.S.

There's a huge increase in all kinds of -isms in the US - Jews aren't special in the hatred they get.

There's an increase in pro-Palestinian sentiment and a backlash against Zionism. Neither of these is necessarily antisemitic in the sense of being anti-Jewish, but they are widely interpreted as the same thing. Sadly, there are increases in genuine antisemitic and Islamophobic incidents. Regarding the latter, there was the case of the 6yo Muslim boy stabbed to death and his mother injured, and the shooting of three Muslim students, one of whom is now paralyzed.

Was this in the US?

Yes. The 6yo Palestinian American boy was stabbed 26 times last October by his landlord in Plainfield, IL. He died. His mother was stabbed a dozen times and survived. Detectives determined the attack was predicated on their being Muslim. Three college students (one each from Haverford, Trinity, and Brown) of Palestinian descent were shot in Vermont last November. They were wearing keffiyeh scarves at the time and conversing in both English and Arabic. The 20yo student from Brown is now paralyzed from the chest down. American Muslims say the spike in Islamophobic incidents since October 7 is reminiscent of the post-9/11 period.

Is that anything to compare to the living hell Jewish people in the US are currently having to endure as they watch posters of their beloved hostages defaced and defiles by brutal, heartless pro-Hamas terrorists? As they hear the crazy left calling for their genocide through ceasefire? As they are persecuted in the halls of their universities as the leaders of their schools go in front of congress to spew hate towards Jews to rapturous applause?

Do not try to claim anti-Muslim sentiment is even slightly comparable to the anti-semi Tim’s faced by the Jewish people. Period.

Are you trying to be ironic? Yes, being stabbed to death when you are six years old or shot or shot and paralyzed when you're 20 is a heck of a lot worse than seeing pictures of hostages defaced. Given the choice, I think most of us would prefer to watch an image being defiled than to be stabbed to death or shot and paralyzed. I mean, that's a no-brainer.

Also, calls for a ceasefire are NOT calls for Jewish genocide. They are calls to PREVENT Palestinian genocide. Gaza is virtually uninhabitable, Palestinian children are being butchered in their thousands, and starvation and disease are killing innocent Palestinians. Why would anyone with an ounce of humanity NOT call for a ceasefire?

I also don't see anyone "spewing hate" towards Jews. The criticism is partly of Zionism, but more specifically of Israel's absolutely barbaric behavior in Gaza and in the West Bank.

Only a pathological narcissist with a master race complex would think the incidents you describe are worse than the brutal attacks I described. Have you absolutely no empathy or compassion for Palestinians or people of Palestinian descent? I am frankly shocked and disgusted by your Islamophobia and your astonishingly jaw-dropping sense of entitlement.

You listed two incidents in which Muslims were killed/injured. They may be tragic, but that does not even scratch the surface of the pain and suffering of the Jewish people.

To YOU watching hateful bigots who pray for the genocide of the Jewish people rip down the posters of our beloved hostages might not be traumatic, because you are clearly a Hamas supporter. But for Jewish Americans, watching people we once believed to be friends deface the images placed so carefully and thoughtfully to commemorate the beautiful Israelis stolen from us is deeply traumatic, and would constitute an act of pure, unadulterated terrorism against the Jewish people. For the Jewish people, it is like they were stolen again when we witness such unadulterated hatred towards their memory.

And yes, calling for a ceasefire is akin to calling for the genocide of all Jews. Hamas’ sole goal is the complete genocide of all Jews globally, they will never abide by any ceasefire. Calling for a ceasefire does nothing but strip Israel of its rights to self defense against the ongoing genocide of its people. Additionally, calling for a ceasefire is calling for the genocide of the Palestinian people, as should Israel remove their troops, they will also have to end their humanitarian mission to remove the genocidal Hamas from power in Gaza.

And yes, Jewish students are being brutalized on college campuses by pro-genocide/pro-Hamas protesters.

https://nypost.com/2023/12/15/news/jewish-mit-students-say-college-didnt-stop-yearlong-campaign-of-hate/amp/

https://nypost.com/2023/12/09/news/jewish-upenn-students-subjected-to-chants-of-we-are-hamas/amp/

https://www.timesofisrael.com/critics-say-us-colleges-double-standards-let-rabid-antisemitism-thrive-on-campus/amp/

Please stop trying to equate isolated anti-muslim crimes with the extreme levels of anti-Semitic hate all Jews are currently facing. It’s disgusting you would even compare the two.

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing against Jewish Americans at all, I just fail to see where their issues take precedence over any other oppressed American.

I would also point out for many, many, many Jewish Americans “their issue” here is actually stopping the U.S. enabling this bloodbath. That’s why rabbis keep getting arrested at these protests. They are people of conscience and I hope when this is in the rear view mirror people take a moment to reflect on the moral courage it took.

People who pretend to be Jewish, but do not fully and unconditionally support Israel, are not Jewish.

Those so-called “Rabbis” may use the word, but real Jews know they are little more then anti-Semitic pro-Hamas terrorists.

Wow, so Jews are now being antisemitic against other Jews. This is a new low.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.

"Genocide" has always been a reach. But then again, it's not a reach to people who deny that 6 million Jews were systematically and deliberately killed by the Nazis.

Yes, the Holocaust happened unfortunately, but almost everyone responsible for this atrocity is dead today. Hopefully, as Americans anyway, we have learned from this and move on and try and realize that most American nonJews born after WWII, in my experience anyway, harbor no hatred or prejudice toward Jews, they’re indifferent, they don’t even realize who is jewish or not. It’s not a topic of conversation for most American non jewish people, it’s a nonissue. I have jewish friends who I didn’t even reaize were jewish initially, they live productive comfortable lives here in the US.

Many Hamas leaders deny the Holocaust happened, as do many other anti-semitic groups. And it's those same people who are trying to frame what's happening in Gaza as being the worst genocide in history. It's a major reach.

Most Americans have no dog in this fight though. We have bigger fish to fry.

of course we do. The spread of autocratic governments endangers us. They tend to be agressive (see Putin and the Hamas attack) and they will come for us.

Israel is a country led by a corrupt, criminal leader who has a stranglehold on an entire nation thanks to the support of a radical right-wing political party. Is this what democracy looks like to the US? This is a banana Republic, not a democracy.

Flawed, but vastly preferred over an Islamic state where women are second class citizens, gays are executed from rooftops, and a significant percentage of the populace wants to murder infidels in pursuit of eternal paradise.

You are describing one manifestation of Islam practiced by one group of Muslims. To generalize from this to all Muslims is Islamophobic. It's akin to claiming all Buddhists are like the war-mongering, racist Buddhist faction in Myanmar that persecutes Muslims. Some Palestinians are Christian or secular rather than Muslim, and some Palestinian Muslims are pacifists.

I would not want to see all Jews stereotyped as being brutal, barbaric, racist Zionists who want an ethnically Jewish state where Palestinians are second-class citizens, Palestinians are executed from the rooftops of their own homes by settler terrorists, and a significant percentage of the populace wants to murder all Palestinians in pursuit of a Zionist paradise.

The distinction right now is that educated people around the world know that the Muslim and Palestinian populations vary widely in their political and religious beliefs, whereas due to Israel's efforts to portray itself as the "Jewish state" and to equate Zionism with Judaism, there's a default assumption that Jews everywhere support the policies of Netanyahu and the murderous conduct of the IDF.

That may not be fair, because there are absolutely Jewish activists in Israel, the United States, and elsewhere who deplore the settler colonialism taking place in the West Bank and the repulsive brutality of the IDF in Gaza, yet it's Israel that has made the bed in which Jews all over the world now unfortunately lie. And, again, that may not be fair, but it's no less fair than the collective guilt and punishment that Israel has been inflicting on Gaza for months now.

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing against Jewish Americans at all, I just fail to see where their issues take precedence over any other oppressed American.

I would also point out for many, many, many Jewish Americans “their issue” here is actually stopping the U.S. enabling this bloodbath. That’s why rabbis keep getting arrested at these protests. They are people of conscience and I hope when this is in the rear view mirror people take a moment to reflect on the moral courage it took.

People who pretend to be Jewish, but do not fully and unconditionally support Israel, are not Jewish.

Those so-called “Rabbis” may use the word, but real Jews know they are little more then anti-Semitic pro-Hamas terrorists.

Well, what they are is people with Jewish ancestry who are moved by universalism at the expense of Jewish particularism. That's not the same as what you said, but I will grant you I personally believe they want gentiles to like them and are trying to show they are the "good", practically fully assimilated Jews who don't care about Jewish peoplehood or its survival.

There is a long tradition of formerly Jewish converts to Christianity attacking Jews. The secular "religion" that dominates our society at the moment doesn't demand their conversion, so they can still call themselves Jewish, but these attacks should be understood as part of this tradition of Jewish apostates currying favor with Gentiles by slandering Jews.

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing against Jewish Americans at all, I just fail to see where their issues take precedence over any other oppressed American.

I would also point out for many, many, many Jewish Americans “their issue” here is actually stopping the U.S. enabling this bloodbath. That’s why rabbis keep getting arrested at these protests. They are people of conscience and I hope when this is in the rear view mirror people take a moment to reflect on the moral courage it took.

People who pretend to be Jewish, but do not fully and unconditionally support Israel, are not Jewish.

Those so-called “Rabbis” may use the word, but real Jews know they are little more then anti-Semitic pro-Hamas terrorists.

Wow, so Jews are now being antisemitic against other Jews. This is a new low.

It's actually a very, very old low. Starting with Paul, actually!