Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.

"Genocide" has always been a reach. But then again, it's not a reach to people who deny that 6 million Jews were systematically and deliberately killed by the Nazis.

Yes, the Holocaust happened unfortunately, but almost everyone responsible for this atrocity is dead today. Hopefully, as Americans anyway, we have learned from this and move on and try and realize that most American nonJews born after WWII, in my experience anyway, harbor no hatred or prejudice toward Jews, they’re indifferent, they don’t even realize who is jewish or not. It’s not a topic of conversation for most American non jewish people, it’s a nonissue. I have jewish friends who I didn’t even reaize were jewish initially, they live productive comfortable lives here in the US.

Many Hamas leaders deny the Holocaust happened, as do many other anti-semitic groups. And it's those same people who are trying to frame what's happening in Gaza as being the worst genocide in history. It's a major reach.

Most Americans have no dog in this fight though. We have bigger fish to fry.

of course we do. The spread of autocratic governments endangers us. They tend to be agressive (see Putin and the Hamas attack) and they will come for us.

Israel is a country led by a corrupt, criminal leader who has a stranglehold on an entire nation thanks to the support of a radical right-wing political party. Is this what democracy looks like to the US? This is a banana Republic, not a democracy.

Flawed, but vastly preferred over an Islamic state where women are second class citizens, gays are executed from rooftops, and a significant percentage of the populace wants to murder infidels in pursuit of eternal paradise.

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This is how much Muslim leaders care about Palestine:

"Screw Palestine, you go do my bidding on whatever other stupidity, or I will shoot you in the head."

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Anonymous wrote:American students being shot by mentally ill American students should take precedence over any other global issue.

The only thing worse than virtue signaling is fake concern trolling being used to deflect from the main debate topic. We're talking about the Hamas attack on Israel, and Israel's response to it, not gun violence in the US. If you genuinely want to talk about school shootings, there are many threads here on DCUM for that.

I am not virtue signaling, maybe you’re virtue signaling and feigning concern for the ME conflict. I am not deflecting, merely pointing out that most Americans don’t hold malicious views or intentions toward the conflict a world away. We have bigger issues. Most of us anyway. And that’s not antisemitism.

Liar. You are definitely deflecting by arguing that the US needs to mind its own business and deal with other US problems. Sorry but this thread is about Israel and Hamas, not other problems. If you want to advocate for dealing with other problems, there are plenty of other threads for that. Yet for some reason I haven't seen you doing that. The fact that you aren't shows me you are disingenuous to do it here.

I’m not a liar, I don’t have time to sit and debate constantly. I simply cannot fathom the need to concern ourselves with foreign affairs on the other side of the world. Additionally, it seems as if one disagrees or has any negative opinion of Israel they are branded an antisemite, and that, that is a lie it’s slander.

You seem to have all the time in the world to make non-relevant arguments because if you actually cared to use your supposedly limited time to debate, you wouldn't here be doing it in the wrong thread. As such you continue to lie, including accusing others of slandering you. Either that, or you are just monumentally stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:American students being shot by mentally ill American students should take precedence over any other global issue.

The only thing worse than virtue signaling is fake concern trolling being used to deflect from the main debate topic. We're talking about the Hamas attack on Israel, and Israel's response to it, not gun violence in the US. If you genuinely want to talk about school shootings, there are many threads here on DCUM for that.

I am not virtue signaling, maybe you’re virtue signaling and feigning concern for the ME conflict. I am not deflecting, merely pointing out that most Americans don’t hold malicious views or intentions toward the conflict a world away. We have bigger issues. Most of us anyway. And that’s not antisemitism.

Liar. You are definitely deflecting by arguing that the US needs to mind its own business and deal with other US problems. Sorry but this thread is about Israel and Hamas, not other problems. If you want to advocate for dealing with other problems, there are plenty of other threads for that. Yet for some reason I haven't seen you doing that. The fact that you aren't shows me you are disingenuous to do it here.

I’m not a liar, I don’t have time to sit and debate constantly. I simply cannot fathom the need to concern ourselves with foreign affairs on the other side of the world. Additionally, it seems as if one disagrees or has any negative opinion of Israel they are branded an antisemite, and that, that is a lie it’s slander.

You seem to have all the time in the world to make non-relevant arguments because if you actually cared to use your supposedly limited time to debate, you wouldn't here be doing it in the wrong thread. As such you continue to lie, including accusing others of slandering you. Either that, or you are just monumentally stupid.

I'm using the burn from these posts destroying pro-Hamas trolls to heat my home against the winter cold

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Anonymous wrote:American students being shot by mentally ill American students should take precedence over any other global issue.

The only thing worse than virtue signaling is fake concern trolling being used to deflect from the main debate topic. We're talking about the Hamas attack on Israel, and Israel's response to it, not gun violence in the US. If you genuinely want to talk about school shootings, there are many threads here on DCUM for that.

I am not virtue signaling, maybe you’re virtue signaling and feigning concern for the ME conflict. I am not deflecting, merely pointing out that most Americans don’t hold malicious views or intentions toward the conflict a world away. We have bigger issues. Most of us anyway. And that’s not antisemitism.

Liar. You are definitely deflecting by arguing that the US needs to mind its own business and deal with other US problems. Sorry but this thread is about Israel and Hamas, not other problems. If you want to advocate for dealing with other problems, there are plenty of other threads for that. Yet for some reason I haven't seen you doing that. The fact that you aren't shows me you are disingenuous to do it here.

I’m not a liar, I don’t have time to sit and debate constantly. I simply cannot fathom the need to concern ourselves with foreign affairs on the other side of the world. Additionally, it seems as if one disagrees or has any negative opinion of Israel they are branded an antisemite, and that, that is a lie it’s slander.

You seem to have all the time in the world to make non-relevant arguments because if you actually cared to use your supposedly limited time to debate, you wouldn't here be doing it in the wrong thread. As such you continue to lie, including accusing others of slandering you. Either that, or you are just monumentally stupid.

What are you accusing me of lying about exactly? That I think we as Americans should reprioritize? Is that a lie? Am I lying if I say people are many times wrongly branded antisemites if they disagree or have negative opinions toward jewish people? Is that a lie?

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No one here appears to be pro Hamas either.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.

"Genocide" has always been a reach. But then again, it's not a reach to people who deny that 6 million Jews were systematically and deliberately killed by the Nazis.

Yes, the Holocaust happened unfortunately, but almost everyone responsible for this atrocity is dead today. Hopefully, as Americans anyway, we have learned from this and move on and try and realize that most American nonJews born after WWII, in my experience anyway, harbor no hatred or prejudice toward Jews, they’re indifferent, they don’t even realize who is jewish or not. It’s not a topic of conversation for most American non jewish people, it’s a nonissue. I have jewish friends who I didn’t even reaize were jewish initially, they live productive comfortable lives here in the US.

In case you missed it, there has been a huge increase in antisemitic incidents in the U.S.

There's a huge increase in all kinds of -isms in the US - Jews aren't special in the hatred they get.

There's an increase in pro-Palestinian sentiment and a backlash against Zionism. Neither of these is necessarily antisemitic in the sense of being anti-Jewish, but they are widely interpreted as the same thing. Sadly, there are increases in genuine antisemitic and Islamophobic incidents. Regarding the latter, there was the case of the 6yo Muslim boy stabbed to death and his mother injured, and the shooting of three Muslim students, one of whom is now paralyzed.

Was this in the US?

Yes. The 6yo Palestinian American boy was stabbed 26 times last October by his landlord in Plainfield, IL. He died. His mother was stabbed a dozen times and survived. Detectives determined the attack was predicated on their being Muslim. Three college students (one each from Haverford, Trinity, and Brown) of Palestinian descent were shot in Vermont last November. They were wearing keffiyeh scarves at the time and conversing in both English and Arabic. The 20yo student from Brown is now paralyzed from the chest down. American Muslims say the spike in Islamophobic incidents since October 7 is reminiscent of the post-9/11 period.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.

"Genocide" has always been a reach. But then again, it's not a reach to people who deny that 6 million Jews were systematically and deliberately killed by the Nazis.

Yes, the Holocaust happened unfortunately, but almost everyone responsible for this atrocity is dead today. Hopefully, as Americans anyway, we have learned from this and move on and try and realize that most American nonJews born after WWII, in my experience anyway, harbor no hatred or prejudice toward Jews, they’re indifferent, they don’t even realize who is jewish or not. It’s not a topic of conversation for most American non jewish people, it’s a nonissue. I have jewish friends who I didn’t even reaize were jewish initially, they live productive comfortable lives here in the US.

Many Hamas leaders deny the Holocaust happened, as do many other anti-semitic groups. And it's those same people who are trying to frame what's happening in Gaza as being the worst genocide in history. It's a major reach.

Most Americans have no dog in this fight though. We have bigger fish to fry.

of course we do. The spread of autocratic governments endangers us. They tend to be agressive (see Putin and the Hamas attack) and they will come for us.

Israel is a country led by a corrupt, criminal leader who has a stranglehold on an entire nation thanks to the support of a radical right-wing political party. Is this what democracy looks like to the US? This is a banana Republic, not a democracy.

Flawed, but vastly preferred over an Islamic state where women are second class citizens, gays are executed from rooftops, and a significant percentage of the populace wants to murder infidels in pursuit of eternal paradise.

LOL this describes every Gulf potentate with which Israel simply cannot WAIT to have relations, and which the United States calls an "indispensable ally" or something. Don't lie the West has a problem with Islamic states.

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Don't say nobody told you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.

"Genocide" has always been a reach. But then again, it's not a reach to people who deny that 6 million Jews were systematically and deliberately killed by the Nazis.

Yes, the Holocaust happened unfortunately, but almost everyone responsible for this atrocity is dead today. Hopefully, as Americans anyway, we have learned from this and move on and try and realize that most American nonJews born after WWII, in my experience anyway, harbor no hatred or prejudice toward Jews, they’re indifferent, they don’t even realize who is jewish or not. It’s not a topic of conversation for most American non jewish people, it’s a nonissue. I have jewish friends who I didn’t even reaize were jewish initially, they live productive comfortable lives here in the US.

In case you missed it, there has been a huge increase in antisemitic incidents in the U.S.

There's a huge increase in all kinds of -isms in the US - Jews aren't special in the hatred they get.

There's an increase in pro-Palestinian sentiment and a backlash against Zionism. Neither of these is necessarily antisemitic in the sense of being anti-Jewish, but they are widely interpreted as the same thing. Sadly, there are increases in genuine antisemitic and Islamophobic incidents. Regarding the latter, there was the case of the 6yo Muslim boy stabbed to death and his mother injured, and the shooting of three Muslim students, one of whom is now paralyzed.

Was this in the US?

Yes.

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing against Jewish Americans at all, I just fail to see where their issues take precedence over any other oppressed American.

I would also point out for many, many, many Jewish Americans “their issue” here is actually stopping the U.S. enabling this bloodbath. That’s why rabbis keep getting arrested at these protests. They are people of conscience and I hope when this is in the rear view mirror people take a moment to reflect on the moral courage it took.

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing against Jewish Americans at all, I just fail to see where their issues take precedence over any other oppressed American.

I would also point out for many, many, many Jewish Americans “their issue” here is actually stopping the U.S. enabling this bloodbath. That’s why rabbis keep getting arrested at these protests. They are people of conscience and I hope when this is in the rear view mirror people take a moment to reflect on the moral courage it took.

Heroes in the American Jewish community AND the worldwide human community, those rabbis.

Meanwhile, most of the spittle frothed weirdos here defending the apartheid policies of Israel find common cause with Netanyahu, a corrupt war criminal whose perverse perma-smirk is enough to haunt houses. Disgusting human being, that one.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

There were ancient Canaanites in the area long, long, long before there were Jews, Christians, or Muslims. The land was inhabited for tens of millennia before Judaism was even invented. Why should just one -- of the many different religious groups that have lived there -- have a special claim to this piece of land?

And before that, there were Neanderthals and before that amoebas. Maybe we should just give our homes back to them…

Well, yes this is the game we are playing. We preach about how the white Europeans ‘stole’ American indigenous land, yet we turcom and support and encourage it from another country. European jewish people don’t have direct roots to the middle east.

That wasn’t exactly my point. The fact is, Jews are indigenous to the land. It’s a fact. Now they are back and living in Israel again. Face it. Deal with it. They have tried to live peacefully with Palestinians who have rejected every two state solution offered to them. At some point, Palestinians need to accept that Israel is here to stay and find a way to live peacefully with their neighbors and Vice Versa.

If they show they are peaceful actors instead of barbaric anti semites, I’m quite sure that eventually they can integrate. Wouldn’t that be something? Doubt it’ll ever happen though. It would destroy everything they believe in. Their society would have nothing left.

Many people are indigenous to the land that is now Israel, including the Palestinians. Palestinians and Jews in the region descended from the same original stock. Ashkenazi Jews in many cases are at least as "indigenous" to Europe as they are to Israel (I'm Ashkenazi -- I have a lot of Eastern European ancestry). Jews certainly do not have an exclusive claim to control the land. Palestinians occupied the region from the same time Jews did and remained there for very much longer. It is unconscionable to deny the Palestinians agency in the land where their families have lived for thousands of years. If you going to base control of the land on indigeneity, you cannot in the next breath exclude Palestinians.

Palestinians can be excused for being fiercely anti-Zionist after the many injustices and barbaric atrocities that they have suffered at the hands of Zionists, including property theft and extreme violence. We have probably all seen the video footage of old Zionist men laughing about raping and executing Palestinians at Deir Yassin. Israel is a barbaric and brutal state run by severely personality-disordered leaders who are contaminating the diatribe of the nation. Today, I saw video footage on Twitter of a Zionist youth threatening Palestinians in the West Bank. He said God gave him the land and that he had a right to kill them and take their land. He was verbally abusive and threatened to take the cameras of people filming him. Ironically, he called them "Nazis." He was probably 16 or 17 and may end up in the IDF soon, where he will be empowered to act out his genocidal fantasies "without restraint." Is this how Israel now indoctrinates its children? Certainly, he is following the lead of his elders in the region.

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing against Jewish Americans at all, I just fail to see where their issues take precedence over any other oppressed American.

I would also point out for many, many, many Jewish Americans “their issue” here is actually stopping the U.S. enabling this bloodbath. That’s why rabbis keep getting arrested at these protests. They are people of conscience and I hope when this is in the rear view mirror people take a moment to reflect on the moral courage it took.

100% true. These devout Jews are often abused by Israeli police: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu9izRis0CA

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.

"Genocide" has always been a reach. But then again, it's not a reach to people who deny that 6 million Jews were systematically and deliberately killed by the Nazis.

Yes, the Holocaust happened unfortunately, but almost everyone responsible for this atrocity is dead today. Hopefully, as Americans anyway, we have learned from this and move on and try and realize that most American nonJews born after WWII, in my experience anyway, harbor no hatred or prejudice toward Jews, they’re indifferent, they don’t even realize who is jewish or not. It’s not a topic of conversation for most American non jewish people, it’s a nonissue. I have jewish friends who I didn’t even reaize were jewish initially, they live productive comfortable lives here in the US.

In case you missed it, there has been a huge increase in antisemitic incidents in the U.S.

There's a huge increase in all kinds of -isms in the US - Jews aren't special in the hatred they get.

There's an increase in pro-Palestinian sentiment and a backlash against Zionism. Neither of these is necessarily antisemitic in the sense of being anti-Jewish, but they are widely interpreted as the same thing. Sadly, there are increases in genuine antisemitic and Islamophobic incidents. Regarding the latter, there was the case of the 6yo Muslim boy stabbed to death and his mother injured, and the shooting of three Muslim students, one of whom is now paralyzed.

Was this in the US?

Yes. The 6yo Palestinian American boy was stabbed 26 times last October by his landlord in Plainfield, IL. He died. His mother was stabbed a dozen times and survived. Detectives determined the attack was predicated on their being Muslim. Three college students (one each from Haverford, Trinity, and Brown) of Palestinian descent were shot in Vermont last November. They were wearing keffiyeh scarves at the time and conversing in both English and Arabic. The 20yo student from Brown is now paralyzed from the chest down. American Muslims say the spike in Islamophobic incidents since October 7 is reminiscent of the post-9/11 period.

Is that anything to compare to the living hell Jewish people in the US are currently having to endure as they watch posters of their beloved hostages defaced and defiles by brutal, heartless pro-Hamas terrorists? As they hear the crazy left calling for their genocide through ceasefire? As they are persecuted in the halls of their universities as the leaders of their schools go in front of congress to spew hate towards Jews to rapturous applause?

Do not try to claim anti-Muslim sentiment is even slightly comparable to the anti-semi Tim’s faced by the Jewish people. Period.