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Gaza War, Part 3
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Anonymous
Well, thankfully, isolationism doesn't prevail in the US. |
Anonymous
Yes, it was shared above. But for people who didn't want to click on it for whatever imagined "it's hasbara" reasons... Here's a cite Frantzman, S.J. and Kark, R. (2013), The Muslim Settlement of Late Ottoman and Mandatory Palestine: Comparison with Jewish Settlement Patterns. Digest of Middle East Studies, 22: 74-93. https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1949-3606.2012.00172.x And a doi https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1949-3606.2012.00172.x |
Anonymous
Historically? okay. The here and now in the US? I don’t know, all I know is I am worried about mentally ill children/teens/adults having access to firearms and no mental health resources amongst other pressing issues. I have zero connection or ties to the ME and neither do most Americans. |
Anonymous
And that's just one of MANY articles that talk about the flow of other Muslim populations into Gaza and other areas of Palestine. Trying to make claims suggesting 100% of Palestinians have very deep and long reaching historical DNA ties or that they are a monolithic bloc of people who have lived there since the beginning of recorded time is either completely uninformed, or is just plain disingenuous and dishonest. |
Anonymous
Did you know that it's actually possible to be concerned about more than one thing at a time? And that one can be concerned about Jews even if you aren't one? I'm not Jewish and in fact have some Arab Muslim blood but I have many Jewish friends, a few of whom have directly experienced threatening and harrassing behaviors toward their communities. |
Anonymous
We need to prioritize our issues though to make any progress. |
Anonymous
| American students being shot by mentally ill American students should take precedence over any other global issue. |
Anonymous
| Perhaps some of the American multibillionaires out there would like to weigh in on the school shooting atrocities and demand some changes. |
Anonymous
| It’s not up to 6mil students yet so I guess we have to wait a while. |
Anonymous
| And it’s mostly kids we’re talking about here being killed almost daily in US schools. But I guess it’s not bad enough to warrant attention from VIPs. |
Anonymous
No, this is the here and now. Yes, gun control is a key issue. But the GOP doesn’t think so, and that is on them. |
Anonymous
| Most Americans prioritize national issues based on their demographic, gun control and mass murder of American children ranks #1 for me personally, the illegal drug/fentanyl/zylazine trade ranks a close 2nd. The conflict in the ME, while on my radar, really doesn’t impact me directly, it really depends on the demographic being considered. It’s just a shame that Americans never seem to be on the same page. That’s why things will never resolve. |
Anonymous
But it is "truly absurd." It is truly absurd that just one of the many, many groups whose ancestors lived in the area thousands of years ago should have sole right to control that land, particularly when many of them also have ancestry from other parts of the world. What is the precedent here? If you live in the USA, are you planning on evacuating your home and giving it to whichever Native American nation once lived there? If you have Viking ancestry, are you automatically entitled to Norwegian citizenship? This is not how modern citizenship works. What about the many non-Jewish groups that have lived in what is now Israel over the millennia? Or people whose ancestors may have been Jewish at some point but who, over the millennia, converted to other religions or secularized? Many Palestinians come from families that have lived in the region for many thousands of years and come from the same genetic stock that Jews originally come from. Are non-Jewish Palestinians more or less "indigenous" to the region than Jews? As for "ancient fables," every religion has its stories. Do you believe Adam and Eve were the first humans? One can be a devout adherent of Judaism, Christianity, or Islam and yet see the creation story (and other biblical accounts) as allegorical or mythical. It was once believed that Moses wrote most of the Torah. Now it is generally assumed that it was written much more recently, many centuries after most of the events it supposedly describes. There is no historical evidence that Moses (or Noah, Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob) existed. At some point, probably around the time the books of the Hebrew Bible were written, historical events begin to permeate the biblical narrative. However, even as recently as the New Testament, there are contradictions between the gospel accounts that undermine an entirely literal interpretation. Even when they contain some historic truths, biblical stories are unlikely to be entirely factual. |
Anonymous
That wasn’t exactly my point. The fact is, Jews are indigenous to the land. It’s a fact. Now they are back and living in Israel again. Face it. Deal with it. They have tried to live peacefully with Palestinians who have rejected every two state solution offered to them. At some point, Palestinians need to accept that Israel is here to stay and find a way to live peacefully with their neighbors and Vice Versa. If they show they are peaceful actors instead of barbaric anti semites, I’m quite sure that eventually they can integrate. Wouldn’t that be something? Doubt it’ll ever happen though. It would destroy everything they believe in. Their society would have nothing left. |
Anonymous
That article doesn’t contradict in any way the position that Israelis have a vastly inferior genetic tie to the region (in relation to the Palestinian population). So what’s your point? That people indigenous to the broader region moved around during the pre-mandate and mandate periods? That’s irrelevant to the discussion. Are you seriously trying to argue that groups that moved up to 75 miles to their current location are no more indigenous to that region than those who moved 5,700 miles to the region? |