Meghan Markle and Prince Harry News and Updates

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those asking what Kate could have done instead of giving a cheap gift of flowers that took all of 2 minutes to order from the Kensington Palace gift shop.

- Told her staff and courtiers to stop briefing against the Sussexes to news media and tabloids
- Fired her Chief of Staff whose lover was exposed for selling gossip about Meghan to the same news media and tabloids
- Did more joint engagements or just 'girl' dates with her sister-in-law to physically show support
- Planned a hen-do, engagement party, or baby shower for her sister-in-law (one of them would have been fine)
- Had biweekly meetings with Meghan to give her tips on the royal way of life (Kate spent 18 years keeping her head down, she could have picked up something)
- Worn her sister-in-law's clothing collection which donated proceeds to patronage (again - a show of silent support)
- Done anything to show she approved of how Meghan handled her amazing first project - the Grenfell cookbook - or her tour of Australia

Instead Kate let the media tear her to shreds by claiming Meghan was combative, pushy, and had brought her to tears. Meanwhile if someone mentions the word 'botox' or calls her, her mother or her sister social climbers - the lawyers come out.

It was obvious that Kate did nothing to help Meghan in the transition. Whether out of jealousy or spite or envy - who knows.

Meghan had an entire team dedicated to "giving her tips" on the royal way of life. She ignored their advice because she knew better and came in to shake the cobwebs off the stale institution of monarchy and who were they to tell her things anyway?

On the tour of Australia - maybe she didn't want to lend her support to a woman who claimed she paid for her own education when it was common knowledge she was funded by the Bank of Daddy?

I don't blame Kate for looking at Meghan and deciding no, I want no part of this train wreck, I have my hands full as it is. If she wants my advice, she knows how to reach me.

But she didn’t just decide she wanted no part she intentionally was complicit in the false narrative by doing the things PP stated above wrt the media. I actually don’t think she needed to plan parties for her or whatever but why let everyone believe something you know is false? And the chief of staff thing is just baffling and unprofessional.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

No offense, but Meghan's team was advising her to be quiet, shut up, and do whatever the tabloids want. Which translates to - give the tabloids interviews when they ask and let them make millions off your pictures when they ask.

BRF members rarely give interviews and it is doubtful anyone would be advised Meghan to do it. The palace doesn't comment on private matters and it is unreasonable to expect the palace will excise every negative article about you. If your certain behaviors invite negative commentary, it's much easier to just stop these behaviors.

Anonymous wrote:
Within six months of marriage, Meghan had gone on tour with the Queen, did a 60-engagement whirlwind tour of 4 countries, announced a project that brought in more than $1 million in funding for her patronage and simultaneously was the most successful fundraising project in the history of the Royal Foundation based at Kensington Palace, and oh - sailed through her first trimester of pregnancy with no issues.

Her way worked in a 21st Century were results matter. The courtiers and the staff just didn't like that she outshone their Royal Laziness.

Your comment means you don't really understand how the palace is set up. No one is allowed to outshine anyone who is ahead of them in the order of succession. William is not allowed to outshine Charles, and Charles is not allowed to outshine the Queen. It's not a meritocracy. It doesn't matter if Meghan is better than Kate in certain things. It doesn't matter what results she gets. Kate is above her in the palace hierarchy and that means Kate will always get better billing. Meghan is not allowed to outshine Kate, and Kate is not allowed to outshine those above her. It's like...every orchestra has a first violin. And if a third-row player suddenly decided he or she can play better and why don't I just play the part of the first violin? it would be cacophony and mess. All of this was certainly explained to Meghan. Her mistake was assuming that the monarchy wants to be brought into the 21st century. Turns out the British public likes their monarchy just the way it is, and isn't really hankering for any modernization.

The BRF keeps their pet press on a leash by giving an interview.

You think any of the British press would know Louis' first words or that George called himself Archie or that Kate likes advocados or that Beatrice switched wedding dresses at the last minute if they weren't briefing the press?

Call it interviews, call it dropping little bits of gossip when needed but that's what they wanted from Meghan. She just wasn't comfortable with it especially since the British press did nothing but make her life hell since they found out she was dating Harry in 2017.

As for William not outshining Charles and Charles not outshining the Queen -- are you kidding?

The Cambridges regularly outshine the PoW and many royals 'step out' when they're not supposed to.

Weddings are supposed to be sacrosanct. Remember when the British press spent 3 months haranguing Meghan saying she announced her pregnancy at Eugenie's reception? The Sussexs outrank the Yorks btw according to that hierarchy you love so much.

Meanwhile William announces a full engagement on Beatrice's wedding day with pictures and quotes -- crickets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those asking what Kate could have done instead of giving a cheap gift of flowers that took all of 2 minutes to order from the Kensington Palace gift shop.

- Told her staff and courtiers to stop briefing against the Sussexes to news media and tabloids
- Fired her Chief of Staff whose lover was exposed for selling gossip about Meghan to the same news media and tabloids
- Did more joint engagements or just 'girl' dates with her sister-in-law to physically show support
- Planned a hen-do, engagement party, or baby shower for her sister-in-law (one of them would have been fine)
- Had biweekly meetings with Meghan to give her tips on the royal way of life (Kate spent 18 years keeping her head down, she could have picked up something)
- Worn her sister-in-law's clothing collection which donated proceeds to patronage (again - a show of silent support)
- Done anything to show she approved of how Meghan handled her amazing first project - the Grenfell cookbook - or her tour of Australia

Instead Kate let the media tear her to shreds by claiming Meghan was combative, pushy, and had brought her to tears. Meanwhile if someone mentions the word 'botox' or calls her, her mother or her sister social climbers - the lawyers come out.

It was obvious that Kate did nothing to help Meghan in the transition. Whether out of jealousy or spite or envy - who knows.

Meghan had an entire team dedicated to "giving her tips" on the royal way of life. She ignored their advice because she knew better and came in to shake the cobwebs off the stale institution of monarchy and who were they to tell her things anyway?

On the tour of Australia - maybe she didn't want to lend her support to a woman who claimed she paid for her own education when it was common knowledge she was funded by the Bank of Daddy?

I don't blame Kate for looking at Meghan and deciding no, I want no part of this train wreck, I have my hands full as it is. If she wants my advice, she knows how to reach me.

Meghan had a woman paid for and assigned to work with her on learning the ropes and palace ettiquette. I think Meghan was under instruction for about 6 months.

Baby showers are not a "thing" in the UK.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No offense, but Meghan's team was advising her to be quiet, shut up, and do whatever the tabloids want. Which translates to - give the tabloids interviews when they ask and let them make millions off your pictures when they ask.

BRF members rarely give interviews and it is doubtful anyone would be advised Meghan to do it. The palace doesn't comment on private matters and it is unreasonable to expect the palace will excise every negative article about you. If your certain behaviors invite negative commentary, it's much easier to just stop these behaviors.

Anonymous wrote:
Within six months of marriage, Meghan had gone on tour with the Queen, did a 60-engagement whirlwind tour of 4 countries, announced a project that brought in more than $1 million in funding for her patronage and simultaneously was the most successful fundraising project in the history of the Royal Foundation based at Kensington Palace, and oh - sailed through her first trimester of pregnancy with no issues.

Her way worked in a 21st Century were results matter. The courtiers and the staff just didn't like that she outshone their Royal Laziness.

Your comment means you don't really understand how the palace is set up. No one is allowed to outshine anyone who is ahead of them in the order of succession. William is not allowed to outshine Charles, and Charles is not allowed to outshine the Queen. It's not a meritocracy. It doesn't matter if Meghan is better than Kate in certain things. It doesn't matter what results she gets. Kate is above her in the palace hierarchy and that means Kate will always get better billing. Meghan is not allowed to outshine Kate, and Kate is not allowed to outshine those above her. It's like...every orchestra has a first violin. And if a third-row player suddenly decided he or she can play better and why don't I just play the part of the first violin? it would be cacophony and mess. All of this was certainly explained to Meghan. Her mistake was assuming that the monarchy wants to be brought into the 21st century. Turns out the British public likes their monarchy just the way it is, and isn't really hankering for any modernization.

Personal matters Kensington has commented on:
William’s affair
Kate’s Botox
Carole Middleton’s social climbing

Agree with the rest of your post

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
But she didn’t just decide she wanted no part she intentionally was complicit in the false narrative by doing the things PP stated above wrt the media. I actually don’t think she needed to plan parties for her or whatever but why let everyone believe something you know is false? And the chief of staff thing is just baffling and unprofessional.

What exactly did she do wrt to the media that you know for sure?

Wrt to believing what is false, the palace doesn't comment on every negative article and would quadruple in size if it did.

Besides, Meghan weaves her own false narratives just fine - for instance, posing as an entirely self-made woman who rose from humble beginnings with no thanks to anyone but herself. Why claim she paid for her own schooling? Why claim she doesn't understand tabloids "because we don't have that in America"?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The excerpts from the Scoby book paint Meghan as someone who feels entitled to fawning to the point that is frankly eye-rolling.

https://www.elle.com/culture/celebrities/a33425617/why-kate-middleton-meghan-markle-not-friends-finding-freedom/

"When Meghan first started dating Harry, the authors wrote, Meghan envisioned Kate would reach out and help her understand "everything an outsider to the Firm [the working side of the royal family] needed to know." That didn't happen. "

Huh? So she expected that Kate would take an initiative to sit her down and educate her in the ways of the BRF. Don't you think that's a bit...much? While you're still dating? Or, like, ever?

"Why didn't Kate pursue a close friendship or deep working relationship with Meghan? A source told the authors that Kate felt that they didn’t have much in common "other than the fact that they lived at Kensington Palace." And even that changed, once Meghan and Harry moved to Frogmore Cottage in Windsor in 2019."

A better question is - why would Kate be expected to?

"Kate didn't really give Meghan the level of emotional support Meghan would have liked, they added. One example they cited was that Kate sent Meghan flowers for her birthday, which was a nice sentiment. But "Meghan would far rather have had Kate check in on her during the most difficult times with the press," Scobie and Durand wrote."

I'm just going to let this paragraph stand on its own in all its ridiculousness and "Meghan is the center of the universe" vibe.

Oops sorry. Posting again to fix messed up quoting.

Interesting. Seems like nothing would ever be enough to satisfy Meghan. For people who live life in a fish bowl where every move is scrutinized, it would be hard to let new people into the inner circle. It would take a long time to build trust. Meghan was in the family a few months? If she really wanted to make it work she would have had to invest more time to build trust. But she bounced almost immediately which makes it seem she was never very committed to making it work, and the family, rightfully, kept her at arm's length. How long was she married when that ridiculous Finding Freedom drivel came out?

I'm guessing that Kate was following William's lead on this. William was obviously hesitant to embrace Meghan into the family and Firm, and as someone who married into it, Kate couldn't exactly go against his wishes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The excerpts from the Scoby book paint Meghan as someone who feels entitled to fawning to the point that is frankly eye-rolling.

https://www.elle.com/culture/celebrities/a33425617/why-kate-middleton-meghan-markle-not-friends-finding-freedom/

"When Meghan first started dating Harry, the authors wrote, Meghan envisioned Kate would reach out and help her understand "everything an outsider to the Firm [the working side of the royal family] needed to know." That didn't happen. "

Huh? So she expected that Kate would take an initiative to sit her down and educate her in the ways of the BRF. Don't you think that's a bit...much? While you're still dating? Or, like, ever?

"Why didn't Kate pursue a close friendship or deep working relationship with Meghan? A source told the authors that Kate felt that they didn’t have much in common "other than the fact that they lived at Kensington Palace." And even that changed, once Meghan and Harry moved to Frogmore Cottage in Windsor in 2019."

A better question is - why would Kate be expected to?

"Kate didn't really give Meghan the level of emotional support Meghan would have liked, they added. One example they cited was that Kate sent Meghan flowers for her birthday, which was a nice sentiment. But "Meghan would far rather have had Kate check in on her during the most difficult times with the press," Scobie and Durand wrote."

I'm just going to let this paragraph stand on its own in all its ridiculousness and "Meghan is the center of the universe" vibe.

Oops sorry. Posting again to fix messed up quoting.

Interesting. Seems like nothing would ever be enough to satisfy Meghan. For people who live life in a fish bowl where every move is scrutinized, it would be hard to let new people into the inner circle. It would take a long time to build trust. Meghan was in the family a few months? If she really wanted to make it work she would have had to invest more time to build trust. But she bounced almost immediately which makes it seem she was never very committed to making it work, and the family, rightfully, kept her at arm's length. How long was she married when that ridiculous Finding Freedom drivel came out?

I'm guessing that Kate was following William's lead on this. William was obviously hesitant to embrace Meghan into the family and Firm, and as someone who married into it, Kate couldn't exactly go against his wishes.

Ultimately this comes down to an issue between the brothers. What Kate should or shouldn’t have done is irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
But she didn’t just decide she wanted no part she intentionally was complicit in the false narrative by doing the things PP stated above wrt the media. I actually don’t think she needed to plan parties for her or whatever but why let everyone believe something you know is false? And the chief of staff thing is just baffling and unprofessional.

What exactly did she do wrt to the media that you know for sure?

Wrt to believing what is false, the palace doesn't comment on every negative article and would quadruple in size if it did.

Besides, Meghan weaves her own false narratives just fine - for instance, posing as an entirely self-made woman who rose from humble beginnings with no thanks to anyone but herself. Why claim she paid for her own schooling? Why claim she doesn't understand tabloids "because we don't have that in America"?

I mean the most obvious thing her and William did was continue to employ someone whose boyfriend was proven to have leaked stories to the media about Meghan. And I think the crying at the dress fitting thing seems unlikely to have happened given how many people were there but did seem designed to make Meghan look like an angry “black” woman.

Just because Meghan weaves her own false narratives about herself isn’t justification to do something that is wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
But she didn’t just decide she wanted no part she intentionally was complicit in the false narrative by doing the things PP stated above wrt the media. I actually don’t think she needed to plan parties for her or whatever but why let everyone believe something you know is false? And the chief of staff thing is just baffling and unprofessional.

What exactly did she do wrt to the media that you know for sure?

Wrt to believing what is false, the palace doesn't comment on every negative article and would quadruple in size if it did.

Besides, Meghan weaves her own false narratives just fine - for instance, posing as an entirely self-made woman who rose from humble beginnings with no thanks to anyone but herself. Why claim she paid for her own schooling? Why claim she doesn't understand tabloids "because we don't have that in America"?

I mean the most obvious thing her and William did was continue to employ someone whose boyfriend was proven to have leaked stories to the media about Meghan. And I think the crying at the dress fitting thing seems unlikely to have happened given how many people were there but did seem designed to make Meghan look like an angry “black” woman.

Just because Meghan weaves her own false narratives about herself isn’t justification to do something that is wrong.

Do you have a link re: boyfriend leaking stories?

Difficult women come in all colors, no one is angry or not angry because of their skin. I also don't know if the angry black woman stereotype is all that prevalent in the UK.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those asking what Kate could have done instead of giving a cheap gift of flowers that took all of 2 minutes to order from the Kensington Palace gift shop.

- Told her staff and courtiers to stop briefing against the Sussexes to news media and tabloids
- Fired her Chief of Staff whose lover was exposed for selling gossip about Meghan to the same news media and tabloids
- Did more joint engagements or just 'girl' dates with her sister-in-law to physically show support
- Planned a hen-do, engagement party, or baby shower for her sister-in-law (one of them would have been fine)
- Had biweekly meetings with Meghan to give her tips on the royal way of life (Kate spent 18 years keeping her head down, she could have picked up something)
- Worn her sister-in-law's clothing collection which donated proceeds to patronage (again - a show of silent support)
- Done anything to show she approved of how Meghan handled her amazing first project - the Grenfell cookbook - or her tour of Australia

Instead Kate let the media tear her to shreds by claiming Meghan was combative, pushy, and had brought her to tears. Meanwhile if someone mentions the word 'botox' or calls her, her mother or her sister social climbers - the lawyers come out.

It was obvious that Kate did nothing to help Meghan in the transition. Whether out of jealousy or spite or envy - who knows.

Nonsense. Kate didn’t need to any of this. Meghan couldn’t get over the fact that she would always be the wife of the second banana.

[Anonymous]

I must say when I try to look at it from the perspective of an elder brother who's watched his partying playboy younger brother spend his entire life up to that point always chasing after a certain type of girl (blond, busty, partying, Tatler type material) suddenly bring home a very different kind of woman, a woman from a very different world with very different values that your brother never previously showed any interest in, and mindful of your parents own failed marriage and that you took a decade to propose to your own girlfriend in order for her to fully understand the requirements and the pros and cons of becoming royal and living in that fishbowl world, I'm an utterly not surprised Will encouraged Harry to take his time.

Because what has happened afterwards is very much what Will likely feared. A rushed courtship with a woman who turned out not to really want or be willing to embrace the requirements of being royal (the PP above is utterly correct, it's a world based on precedence and order, Kate will always be more senior than any woman who married Will, just as Diana always took precedence over Sarah Ferguson) and leading to a disastrous flight and Will knows better than any of us the likelihood of how this will ultimately end up, namely a divorce and Harry emotionally crushed by the failures of his marriage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Basically Meghan's entire grievance could be condensed to one thing: that she was made to behave based on her place in the palace hierarchy, which simply wasn't good enough.

Yep. This summarizes it exactly.

She just didn't want life in the gilded cage, always second fiddle to Will and Kate. In other words, she was clueless, and utterly unwilling to embrace the world she supposedly married into and expected that world to change to accommodate her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
But she didn’t just decide she wanted no part she intentionally was complicit in the false narrative by doing the things PP stated above wrt the media. I actually don’t think she needed to plan parties for her or whatever but why let everyone believe something you know is false? And the chief of staff thing is just baffling and unprofessional.

What exactly did she do wrt to the media that you know for sure?

Wrt to believing what is false, the palace doesn't comment on every negative article and would quadruple in size if it did.

Besides, Meghan weaves her own false narratives just fine - for instance, posing as an entirely self-made woman who rose from humble beginnings with no thanks to anyone but herself. Why claim she paid for her own schooling? Why claim she doesn't understand tabloids "because we don't have that in America"?

I mean the most obvious thing her and William did was continue to employ someone whose boyfriend was proven to have leaked stories to the media about Meghan. And I think the crying at the dress fitting thing seems unlikely to have happened given how many people were there but did seem designed to make Meghan look like an angry “black” woman.

Just because Meghan weaves her own false narratives about herself isn’t justification to do something that is wrong.

Do you have a link re: boyfriend leaking stories?

Difficult women come in all colors, no one is angry or not angry because of their skin. I also don't know if the angry black woman stereotype is all that prevalent in the UK.

Then you haven't been paying attention. Diane Abbott has been through hell-and-back since being elected as the UK's first black MP in the late 1980s. She's still shit on and politicians 20 years her junior are now leading Boris' shameful cabinet.

Or look at how Naga Munchetty was treated so recently.

As for the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge's Press Secretary's boyfriend leaking on Meghan, it came out in the court documents for the same lawsuit the BRF demanded/begged the Sussexs to drop over-and-over. Funny that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I must say when I try to look at it from the perspective of an elder brother who's watched his partying playboy younger brother spend his entire life up to that point always chasing after a certain type of girl (blond, busty, partying, Tatler type material) suddenly bring home a very different kind of woman, a woman from a very different world with very different values that your brother never previously showed any interest in, and mindful of your parents own failed marriage and that you took a decade to propose to your own girlfriend in order to cheat on her left-right-and-center, ensure she knew her 'place' and would never be as powerful as you (something Charles didn't), and sleep with as many other women as possible, I'm an utterly not surprised Will encouraged Harry to take his time.

Because what has happened afterwards is very much what Will likely feared. A rushed courtship with a woman who turned out not to really want or be willing to embrace the requirements of being royal (the PP above is utterly correct, it's a world based on precedence and order, Kate will always be more senior than any woman who married Will, just as Diana always took precedence over Sarah Ferguson) and leading to a disastrous flight and Will knows better than any of us the likelihood of how this will ultimately end up, namely a divorce and Harry emotionally crushed by the failures of his marriage.

Edited for correction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
But she didn’t just decide she wanted no part she intentionally was complicit in the false narrative by doing the things PP stated above wrt the media. I actually don’t think she needed to plan parties for her or whatever but why let everyone believe something you know is false? And the chief of staff thing is just baffling and unprofessional.

What exactly did she do wrt to the media that you know for sure?

Wrt to believing what is false, the palace doesn't comment on every negative article and would quadruple in size if it did.

Besides, Meghan weaves her own false narratives just fine - for instance, posing as an entirely self-made woman who rose from humble beginnings with no thanks to anyone but herself. Why claim she paid for her own schooling? Why claim she doesn't understand tabloids "because we don't have that in America"?

I mean the most obvious thing her and William did was continue to employ someone whose boyfriend was proven to have leaked stories to the media about Meghan. And I think the crying at the dress fitting thing seems unlikely to have happened given how many people were there but did seem designed to make Meghan look like an angry “black” woman.

Just because Meghan weaves her own false narratives about herself isn’t justification to do something that is wrong.

Do you have a link re: boyfriend leaking stories?

Difficult women come in all colors, no one is angry or not angry because of their skin. I also don't know if the angry black woman stereotype is all that prevalent in the UK.

Then you haven't been paying attention. Diane Abbott has been through hell-and-back since being elected as the UK's first black MP in the late 1980s. She's still shit on and politicians 20 years her junior are now leading Boris' shameful cabinet.

Or look at how Naga Munchetty was treated so recently.

As for the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge's Press Secretary's boyfriend leaking on Meghan, it came out in the court documents for the same lawsuit the BRF demanded/begged the Sussexs to drop over-and-over. Funny that.

Link please.