How would you feel about losing your company-provided health insurance for "medicare for all"?

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How is it fair for someone earning $50k in a DC suburb, just getting by, to have to pay $800 a month for a craoot bronze plan when someone living in Alabama earning $45k, and living comfortably, gets the same subsidized coverage for $100 a month?

We live in a Republic, not a Democracy.

I sure hope you're not a Democrat, with your ridiculous non sequitur.

What does the form of our representation have to do with the fact that Obama rammed through a plan that made middle-income people pay $800 a month for a catastrophic plan worth $50 a month so that the lower-income people pay $50 or $100 for the same plan? This entire thing was just a redistribute scheme from the straight middle class (earning $50kish) to the lower-middle class (earning $35kish) and the working class ($25k) WHEN MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE EARNING $50K CANNOT AFFORD TO SUBSIDIZE HEALTH INSURANXE FOR THOSE WHO EARN LESS. And that's what OBamacare did.

Next thing you know is that the Dems will have the middle class subsidize the illegals' health insurance. Just watch.

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You're welcome.

And did you see the clueless liberal above who,responded by saying...."well, don't buy an ACA plan then." OMG. So I should just go without insurance because the AFFORDABLE (hah) Care Act inflated the premiums on insurance for the middle class to the point it's not affordable?

You don't know what you are talking about. You should read more.

I know more about it than you. I'm LIVING IT. What type of answer is it to say "well don't buy insurance then" when people report how they are being charged an unaffordable premium as a result of the Affordablr Care Act? All,of a sudden you don't care if people can't afford insurance? I bet you didn't tell low-income people who couldn't afford insurance "don't buy it then."

LIberals. sheesh.

DP.. Rs didn't seem to care that millions couldn't afford insurance prior to ACA. Obama tried to get everyone covered. Some Rs refused to expand medicaid in their states.

Look at the red states that adopted the medicaid expansion. Their people are a lot healthier now. You think folks like ones in the article want to get rid of ACA and go back to what we had before?

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2019/04/04/kentucky-medicaid-expansion-leads-more-colon-cancer-screenings/3367111002/

Rural areas benefit most... you know.. the areas that supported Trump. Ironic, no?

https://wfpl.org/study-kentuckys-rural-areas-benefit-most-from-medicaid-expansion/

Ds didn't try to get everyone covered. They tried to get LOWER-income covered, even though premiums on Unsubsidized middle earners would skyrocket to the point they couldn't afford insurance.

And that's why the Ds will lose again. They care about those they see as "downtrodden" - poor people. Illegals, etc., - and a big F-U to the regular middle class working girl or guy. How many times have we heard liberals, when a middle earner (REAL middle earner....not DCUM middle earner) say she can't afford health insurance on her earnings of $50,000, be told to just get a better job? Why don't libs tell the low earners to get a better job?

+1 and I voted for Hillary and wanted Bernie in ‘16 https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/463425-colbert-questions-sanders-on-middle-class-tax-hike-after-pressing-warren-on

I thought Bernie actually cared about the middle-class. Dunno if he changed his views, or if this was always as he imagined, but I personally feel betrayed, he’s just like the rest of the Democrats that care more about “inequality” than they do about the middle class. Guess what? Most people don’t want a completely equal country, they just want things more fair i.e. 400 billionaires NOT holding more wealth than the bottom 64% of Americans.

So what we do is exempt the first $29,000 of a person’s income, you make less than $29,000, you pay nothing in taxes.

If he really cared about the MC, that “2” in 29,000 would be a “5” or “6”. In what world is $29,000 middle-class? I’d like to live there.

There are other ways to control costs, and not throw half of The U.S.A. off their current health plans. I guarantee you most people do not want longer wait times while at the same time subsidizing the people who will add to longer waiting times (why do you think most Doctors only take so-many medicare/caid patients? The programs pay them less for more work) We just want to stop paying more for less every year!!!

Just. Infuriating. Don’t even get me started how it seems like all the Democrats want to cover illegal aliens too. All while they want to keep importing poverty.

That's it exactly. Bernie does't consider people earning under $29,000 middle income - he considers them low income (and correctly). And that's who he cares about. These people are already getting free health insurance (or close to it), and now he wants to send more taxpayer benefits their way? How is that helping the hard-working middle earner paying taxes, paying for his own food without food stamps, and paying rent with no subsidies?

That is why Trump won. The bulk of Americans struggle to pay their bills and raise their families on moderate incomes, and they are tired of hearing of how the Dem candidates are gong to give even more help to people earning less.

Ok. It sounds like you should vote for Trump then. You have to do what you think is best.

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That's it exactly. Bernie does't consider people earning under $29,000 middle income - he considers them low income (and correctly). And that's who he cares about. These people are already getting free health insurance (or close to it), and now he wants to send more taxpayer benefits their way? How is that helping the hard-working middle earner paying taxes, paying for his own food without food stamps, and paying rent with no subsidies?

That is why Trump won. The bulk of Americans struggle to pay their bills and raise their families on moderate incomes, and they are tired of hearing of how the Dem candidates are gong to give even more help to people earning less.

I agree. I just don’t understand why they don’t understand that.
Sorry had to cut some of those quotes. It was getting ridiculously long with all of them in each message

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Vote for yourself (you, yourself, and you again) then. I for one will vote for myself and my fellow countrymen/women/children—Medicare for all.

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That's it exactly. Bernie does't consider people earning under $29,000 middle income - he considers them low income (and correctly). And that's who he cares about. These people are already getting free health insurance (or close to it), and now he wants to send more taxpayer benefits their way? How is that helping the hard-working middle earner paying taxes, paying for his own food without food stamps, and paying rent with no subsidies?

That is why Trump won. The bulk of Americans struggle to pay their bills and raise their families on moderate incomes, and they are tired of hearing of how the Dem candidates are gong to give even more help to people earning less.

I agree. I just don’t understand why they don’t understand that.
Sorry had to cut some of those quotes. It was getting ridiculously long with all of them in each message

Yeah those D's don't understand anything. You should vote for Trump. He understands. He's going to reveal his new plan after he is re-elected, right?

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That's it exactly. Bernie does't consider people earning under $29,000 middle income - he considers them low income (and correctly). And that's who he cares about. These people are already getting free health insurance (or close to it), and now he wants to send more taxpayer benefits their way? How is that helping the hard-working middle earner paying taxes, paying for his own food without food stamps, and paying rent with no subsidies?

That is why Trump won. The bulk of Americans struggle to pay their bills and raise their families on moderate incomes, and they are tired of hearing of how the Dem candidates are gong to give even more help to people earning less.

I agree. I just don’t understand why they don’t understand that.
Sorry had to cut some of those quotes. It was getting ridiculously long with all of them in each message

Yeah those D's don't understand anything. You should vote for Trump. He understands. He's going to reveal his new plan after he is re-elected, right?

Meh, they’re all corrupt. At least if he wins again it will make the establishment freak out more.

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That's it exactly. Bernie does't consider people earning under $29,000 middle income - he considers them low income (and correctly). And that's who he cares about. These people are already getting free health insurance (or close to it), and now he wants to send more taxpayer benefits their way? How is that helping the hard-working middle earner paying taxes, paying for his own food without food stamps, and paying rent with no subsidies?

That is why Trump won. The bulk of Americans struggle to pay their bills and raise their families on moderate incomes, and they are tired of hearing of how the Dem candidates are gong to give even more help to people earning less.

I agree. I just don’t understand why they don’t understand that.
Sorry had to cut some of those quotes. It was getting ridiculously long with all of them in each message

Yeah those D's don't understand anything. You should vote for Trump. He understands. He's going to reveal his new plan after he is re-elected, right?

Meh, they’re all corrupt. At least if he wins again it will make the establishment freak out more.

The only downside is it would make R’s happy. Because yes, they are corrupt too!

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That's it exactly. Bernie does't consider people earning under $29,000 middle income - he considers them low income (and correctly). And that's who he cares about. These people are already getting free health insurance (or close to it), and now he wants to send more taxpayer benefits their way? How is that helping the hard-working middle earner paying taxes, paying for his own food without food stamps, and paying rent with no subsidies?

That is why Trump won. The bulk of Americans struggle to pay their bills and raise their families on moderate incomes, and they are tired of hearing of how the Dem candidates are gong to give even more help to people earning less.

I agree. I just don’t understand why they don’t understand that.
Sorry had to cut some of those quotes. It was getting ridiculously long with all of them in each message

You're right about those quotes!

But what will happen - as it did already with the poster just above - is that liberals will come out with their smug self-righteousness and declare how they don't just vote for themselves, they vote for what is best for the country. The implication of course is that they KNOW what's best for our country (like defending and protecting illegal aliens and giving more free stuff to low income.) The affluent people on DCUM can afford to say that.

But what they still don't get is that MOST of the country isn't an affluent DCUM poster. They are mechanics, and assistant managers at diners, and the like, and are watching their pennies to make ends meet. They do not see that giving more stuff to people earning less - including illegal aliens! - is best for the country.

And to the smug liberal just up a post, I TOO vote for what is best for the country. We just disagree on what that is.

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Anonymous wrote:Vote for yourself (you, yourself, and you again) then. I for one will vote for myself and my fellow countrymen/women/children—Medicare for all.

You're being totally naive. What we will end up with is a highly rationed form of Medicaid. The ones to suffer the most are the elderly who paid 40'yeaes into a strong retirement health plan that the liberals will have demolished just at the point the old folks need medical care.

Then rich DCUM crowd will buy private plans and then pat themselves on the back for being so altruistic.

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Anonymous wrote:Vote for yourself (you, yourself, and you again) then. I for one will vote for myself and my fellow countrymen/women/children—Medicare for all.

You're being totally naive. What we will end up with is a highly rationed form of Medicaid. The ones to suffer the most are the elderly who paid 40'yeaes into a strong retirement health plan that the liberals will have demolished just at the point the old folks need medical care.

Then rich DCUM crowd will buy private plans and then pat themselves on the back for being so altruistic.

99% chances you're right, assuming Warren or Sanders or similar wins.

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How is it fair for someone earning $50k in a DC suburb, just getting by, to have to pay $800 a month for a craoot bronze plan when someone living in Alabama earning $45k, and living comfortably, gets the same subsidized coverage for $100 a month?

We live in a Republic, not a Democracy.

I sure hope you're not a Democrat, with your ridiculous non sequitur.

What does the form of our representation have to do with the fact that Obama rammed through a plan that made middle-income people pay $800 a month for a catastrophic plan worth $50 a month so that the lower-income people pay $50 or $100 for the same plan? This entire thing was just a redistribute scheme from the straight middle class (earning $50kish) to the lower-middle class (earning $35kish) and the working class ($25k) WHEN MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE EARNING $50K CANNOT AFFORD TO SUBSIDIZE HEALTH INSURANXE FOR THOSE WHO EARN LESS. And that's what OBamacare did.

Next thing you know is that the Dems will have the middle class subsidize the illegals' health insurance. Just watch.

Most Accurate Comment of the Thread.

Thank you

You're welcome.

And did you see the clueless liberal above who,responded by saying...."well, don't buy an ACA plan then." OMG. So I should just go without insurance because the AFFORDABLE (hah) Care Act inflated the premiums on insurance for the middle class to the point it's not affordable?

You don't know what you are talking about. You should read more.

I know more about it than you. I'm LIVING IT. What type of answer is it to say "well don't buy insurance then" when people report how they are being charged an unaffordable premium as a result of the Affordablr Care Act? All,of a sudden you don't care if people can't afford insurance? I bet you didn't tell low-income people who couldn't afford insurance "don't buy it then."

LIberals. sheesh.

DP.. Rs didn't seem to care that millions couldn't afford insurance prior to ACA. Obama tried to get everyone covered. Some Rs refused to expand medicaid in their states.

Look at the red states that adopted the medicaid expansion. Their people are a lot healthier now. You think folks like ones in the article want to get rid of ACA and go back to what we had before?

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2019/04/04/kentucky-medicaid-expansion-leads-more-colon-cancer-screenings/3367111002/

Rural areas benefit most... you know.. the areas that supported Trump. Ironic, no?

https://wfpl.org/study-kentuckys-rural-areas-benefit-most-from-medicaid-expansion/

Ds didn't try to get everyone covered. They tried to get LOWER-income covered, even though premiums on Unsubsidized middle earners would skyrocket to the point they couldn't afford insurance.

And that's why the Ds will lose again. They care about those they see as "downtrodden" - poor people. Illegals, etc., - and a big F-U to the regular middle class working girl or guy. How many times have we heard liberals, when a middle earner (REAL middle earner....not DCUM middle earner) say she can't afford health insurance on her earnings of $50,000, be told to just get a better job? Why don't libs tell the low earners to get a better job?

+1 and I voted for Hillary and wanted Bernie in ‘16 https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/463425-colbert-questions-sanders-on-middle-class-tax-hike-after-pressing-warren-on

I thought Bernie actually cared about the middle-class. Dunno if he changed his views, or if this was always as he imagined, but I personally feel betrayed, he’s just like the rest of the Democrats that care more about “inequality” than they do about the middle class. Guess what? Most people don’t want a completely equal country, they just want things more fair i.e. 400 billionaires NOT holding more wealth than the bottom 64% of Americans.

So what we do is exempt the first $29,000 of a person’s income, you make less than $29,000, you pay nothing in taxes.

If he really cared about the MC, that “2” in 29,000 would be a “5” or “6”. In what world is $29,000 middle-class? I’d like to live there.

There are other ways to control costs, and not throw half of The U.S.A. off their current health plans. I guarantee you most people do not want longer wait times while at the same time subsidizing the people who will add to longer waiting times (why do you think most Doctors only take so-many medicare/caid patients? The programs pay them less for more work) We just want to stop paying more for less every year!!!

Just. Infuriating. Don’t even get me started how it seems like all the Democrats want to cover illegal aliens too. All while they want to keep importing poverty.

Ok, then stop paying more for less every year. Stop paying for health insurance. Problem solved. Capitalism. You're welcome.

Except, Obamacare outlawed the insurance policies that so many people want and need, at affordable rates.

Please bring back capitalism, you know, where supply meets demand.

Does capitalism negate laws? Well it sounds like you have two choices. Pay for health insurance or don't.

Imagine we passed a law that said every house must have 4 bedrooms, 3 bathrooms, a fully modern equipped kitchen and a 900 sq feet garden at minimum.

Do you think more or less people would be able to afford housing?

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Anonymous wrote:Vote for yourself (you, yourself, and you again) then. I for one will vote for myself and my fellow countrymen/women/children—Medicare for all.

You're being totally naive. What we will end up with is a highly rationed form of Medicaid. The ones to suffer the most are the elderly who paid 40'yeaes into a strong retirement health plan that the liberals will have demolished just at the point the old folks need medical care.

Then rich DCUM crowd will buy private plans and then pat themselves on the back for being so altruistic.

99% chances you're right, assuming Warren or Sanders or similar wins.

Sanders is out. NO chance after he was hospitalized for his bleeding heart.

Warren will be the nominee. And the bulk of voters - average earners with high school diplomas - won't be swayed by her promise to have other people pay off college loans or provide health insurance to illegals. Trump 2020.

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Anonymous wrote:Vote for yourself (you, yourself, and you again) then. I for one will vote for myself and my fellow countrymen/women/children—Medicare for all.

You're being totally naive. What we will end up with is a highly rationed form of Medicaid. The ones to suffer the most are the elderly who paid 40'yeaes into a strong retirement health plan that the liberals will have demolished just at the point the old folks need medical care.

Then rich DCUM crowd will buy private plans and then pat themselves on the back for being so altruistic.

99% chances you're right, assuming Warren or Sanders or similar wins.

Sanders is out. NO chance after he was hospitalized for his bleeding heart.

Warren will be the nominee. And the bulk of voters - average earners with high school diplomas - won't be swayed by her promise to have other people pay off college loans or provide health insurance to illegals. Trump 2020.

I tend to agree, but it is still early in the game.

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That's it exactly. Bernie does't consider people earning under $29,000 middle income - he considers them low income (and correctly). And that's who he cares about. These people are already getting free health insurance (or close to it), and now he wants to send more taxpayer benefits their way? How is that helping the hard-working middle earner paying taxes, paying for his own food without food stamps, and paying rent with no subsidies?

That is why Trump won. The bulk of Americans struggle to pay their bills and raise their families on moderate incomes, and they are tired of hearing of how the Dem candidates are gong to give even more help to people earning less.

I agree. I just don’t understand why they don’t understand that.
Sorry had to cut some of those quotes. It was getting ridiculously long with all of them in each message

Yeah those D's don't understand anything. You should vote for Trump. He understands. He's going to reveal his new plan after he is re-elected, right?

Meh, they’re all corrupt. At least if he wins again it will make the establishment freak out more.

Yeah that will be fun. But it isn't going to bring down the cost of health insurance.

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Anonymous wrote:Vote for yourself (you, yourself, and you again) then. I for one will vote for myself and my fellow countrymen/women/children—Medicare for all.

You're being totally naive. What we will end up with is a highly rationed form of Medicaid. The ones to suffer the most are the elderly who paid 40'yeaes into a strong retirement health plan that the liberals will have demolished just at the point the old folks need medical care.

Then rich DCUM crowd will buy private plans and then pat themselves on the back for being so altruistic.

99% chances you're right, assuming Warren or Sanders or similar wins.

Sanders is out. NO chance after he was hospitalized for his bleeding heart.

Warren will be the nominee. And the bulk of voters - average earners with high school diplomas - won't be swayed by her promise to have other people pay off college loans or provide health insurance to illegals. Trump 2020.

I tend to agree, but it is still early in the game.

Another thing against Warren is her attempt to use affirmative action to her advantage by pulling that Native American nonsense. The hypocrisy of her doing that while claiming to want to help the disadvantaged is unbelievable.

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Haven’t read any of the responses but I’d be fine with it. Currently, in my job that places me in the 1%, I have healthcare PPO where I cannot even get a person on the phone to make an appointment and when I do the doctors seem to work PT or not on Thursdays. I pay for my individual one person insurance $1k a month.