Montgomery County zoning: Council wants to change zoning throughout the county to multi-family

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You're saying that it's only a problem if it's a house full of single male laborers. Well, it's also a problem to have three families living in a house that normally would fit one family.

PPs who want to make it sound scary say it's all single men. PPs who want to appeal to humanity say it's families with babies. Which is it?

Also, if it's three families living there who are related (for example, three siblings plus their partners and their children), it would be legal. What's the difference, from the standpoint of families fitting, between families who are related and families who aren't?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Do children live there, or not?

Yes they do. am I missing something for why you keep asking?

Because other PPs right here on this thread, this morning, have said that it's all single men, not families with children.

[Anonymous]

I am just saying that this house property is a nuisance in a handful of ways. They park so many cars in front of their house that it sometimes causes problems turning because you can't be sure if the car up ahead has a driver in it or was illegally parked next to the stop sign by these people.

Overall, it's just ugly. A little taste of the trailer park aesthetic on the way to our house.

[Anonymous]

And we only have one house that is obviously like that. I feel very bad for the people whose entire neighborhoods have declined from well-maintained and charming to looking more like a slum.

[Anonymous]

this house/property*

[Anonymous]

I just looked at it on google maps and it used to be so pretty before they added their trashy addition. Man, this is just annoying me to think about them

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Give it time. Is there an HOA? Once the price drops enough, a (most likely Chinese) landlord will purchase the home and divide it up into a boarding house. They are interested in pretty much any neighborhood, without an HOA, once the home goes under $500K.

It ends up being an incredibly lucrative business model for the landlords. The rent out to illegal immigrant men or families with young kids. They have no lease or rental license, so can force them out at will. And, they collect cash only rent so that they do not have to report any income. Also, they fix the houses up as poorly as possible - it's all being done illegally anyway, so there is no reason for them to keep the buildings up to code.

Not sure why people support this kind of thing. Honestly, it puts these illegal immigrant families at risk. We have one that has several babies who live there, and the home is absolutely, positively not up to code. Seems dangerous, and is definitely overcrowded. Why would anyone defend letting kids (or really anyone) live in these homes as a good thing to encourage?

Probably you mean "rooming house".

Also you can't file for an eviction if you don't have a rental license.

I haven't noticed anybody supporting the idea of babies living in houses that aren't up to code.

The landlords don’t need to ‘file for an eviction’. You’re right. No rental license so there are no laws that need to be followed. The tenants simply get kicked out.

Anyone who supports these illegal rentals supports the idea of babies living there. Once there is no enforcement of the housing code rules, the problem becomes widespread - as it has in montgomery County.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Do children live there, or not?

Yes they do. am I missing something for why you keep asking?

Because other PPs right here on this thread, this morning, have said that it's all single men, not families with children.

It’s both. Some of the homes in my neighborhood are rented to groups of single men. Some have families. It varies.

[Anonymous]

I haven't read all 30 pages but the people who seem most passionately against this are from Wheaton, Silver Spring and Bethesda. I just can't imagine anyone in Potomac, Poolesville, or Darnestown even caring about this issue. Rockville is in its own war with developers so they aren't supporting it.

It just doesn't seem like anyone who owns/lives in Montgomery County is for it. Is this just coming from developers or renters?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read all 30 pages but the people who seem most passionately against this are from Wheaton, Silver Spring and Bethesda. I just can't imagine anyone in Potomac, Poolesville, or Darnestown even caring about this issue. Rockville is in its own war with developers so they aren't supporting it.

It just doesn't seem like anyone who owns/lives in Montgomery County is for it. Is this just coming from developers or renters?

Plenty of people who live in Montgomery County are for it, including people who own their homes.

Note that the ADU regulation has no benefit for developers, because it requires the owner to live on the property.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read all 30 pages but the people who seem most passionately against this are from Wheaton, Silver Spring and Bethesda. I just can't imagine anyone in Potomac, Poolesville, or Darnestown even caring about this issue. Rockville is in its own war with developers so they aren't supporting it.

It just doesn't seem like anyone who owns/lives in Montgomery County is for it. Is this just coming from developers or renters?

Plenty of people who live in Montgomery County are for it, including people who own their homes.

Note that the ADU regulation has no benefit for developers, because it requires the owner to live on the property.

Again, impossible/very difficult to enforce. It's not as if housing enforcement officers are going to do a stakeout outside these rentals to prove that the owner lives on property.

The illegal rentals in our neighborhood definitely do not have an owner living on property.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read all 30 pages but the people who seem most passionately against this are from Wheaton, Silver Spring and Bethesda. I just can't imagine anyone in Potomac, Poolesville, or Darnestown even caring about this issue. Rockville is in its own war with developers so they aren't supporting it.

It just doesn't seem like anyone who owns/lives in Montgomery County is for it. Is this just coming from developers or renters?

The County is trying to be more 'immigrant friendly' and passed this law to allow for more 'affordable housing' for immigrants.

Also, landlords are already seeing huge benefits from the lack of housing code enforcement because they are able to openly flaunt the rules. There is a TON of money to be made in the county with these illegal rentals. The owners themselves don't live in Wheaton/Silver Spring etc, so they don't care what it does to the neighborhoods and schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read all 30 pages but the people who seem most passionately against this are from Wheaton, Silver Spring and Bethesda. I just can't imagine anyone in Potomac, Poolesville, or Darnestown even caring about this issue. Rockville is in its own war with developers so they aren't supporting it.

It just doesn't seem like anyone who owns/lives in Montgomery County is for it. Is this just coming from developers or renters?

The County is trying to be more 'immigrant friendly' and passed this law to allow for more 'affordable housing' for immigrants.

Also, landlords are already seeing huge benefits from the lack of housing code enforcement because they are able to openly flaunt the rules. There is a TON of money to be made in the county with these illegal rentals. The owners themselves don't live in Wheaton/Silver Spring etc, so they don't care what it does to the neighborhoods and schools.

No, that's factually incorrect.

Also, why would a landlord who already openly flouts the rules even care about another rule to openly flout? The regulation helps homeowners who want to have a legal detached ADU, not absentee property owners who don't care what's in the regulations anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read all 30 pages but the people who seem most passionately against this are from Wheaton, Silver Spring and Bethesda. I just can't imagine anyone in Potomac, Poolesville, or Darnestown even caring about this issue. Rockville is in its own war with developers so they aren't supporting it.

It just doesn't seem like anyone who owns/lives in Montgomery County is for it. Is this just coming from developers or renters?

Hans Reimer was a huge advocate for this, though the law passed unanimously.

Could be wrong, but I believe that Reimer is a transplant from California and it hoping to implement similar 'progressive' policies here in Montgomery County.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read all 30 pages but the people who seem most passionately against this are from Wheaton, Silver Spring and Bethesda. I just can't imagine anyone in Potomac, Poolesville, or Darnestown even caring about this issue. Rockville is in its own war with developers so they aren't supporting it.

It just doesn't seem like anyone who owns/lives in Montgomery County is for it. Is this just coming from developers or renters?

Hans Reimer was a huge advocate for this, though the law passed unanimously.

Could be wrong, but I believe that Reimer is a transplant from California and it hoping to implement similar 'progressive' policies here in Montgomery County.

https://councilmemberriemer.com/category/accessory-dwelling-units