Sound off if you think AAP is BS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP, the "better resources" is tye cohort of kids who are, for the most part, able to move through material very quickly, even with a bunch of disruptive 2E kids in the mix.

The classroom costs are the same between AAP and gen ed.

This is a very interesting post. PP can you please elaborate? How do you know AAP classrooms are not receiving more resources or funds?

Thank you.

PP doesn't owe you anything. You're among the AAP experts clanging cowbells in the "AAP is BS" thread. Why not just school PP on why she's wrong? Er, I mean, please elaborate.

[Anonymous]

A faulty analogy... I can see where you're going, but travel soccer is not public school. For one, it's optional and with few exceptions, kids are paying much more to play travel. Public school is taxpayer funded and a requirement for all. This makes the question of who is getting better resources in public school much more of an issue since resources are finite and must be shared.

This is precisely it. The travel soccer analogy is so tired, overused, and INACCURATE. Travel sports are privately funded, not taxpayer funded. I don't care how kids are picked or sorted for privately funded activities. But I do care very much how my public tax dollars are being spent. I'm happy to spend them on services for special needs kids. But that's not what AAP is.

+1,000

Sports is a suitable analogy in response to the constantly off-key "my kid is marginalized!" shrieking. The private/public distinction is just an excuse to sidestep it. Go explain it to the taxpayers who don't even have kids. Crying about the significance of tax dollars just shows you don't know how government actually works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP, the "better resources" is tye cohort of kids who are, for the most part, able to move through material very quickly, even with a bunch of disruptive 2E kids in the mix.

The classroom costs are the same between AAP and gen ed.

This is a very interesting post. PP can you please elaborate? How do you know AAP classrooms are not receiving more resources or funds?

Thank you.

PP doesn't owe you anything. You're among the AAP experts clanging cowbells in the "AAP is BS" thread. Why not just school PP on why she's wrong? Er, I mean, please elaborate.

Calm down. I think you forgot to take your meds today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

A faulty analogy... I can see where you're going, but travel soccer is not public school. For one, it's optional and with few exceptions, kids are paying much more to play travel. Public school is taxpayer funded and a requirement for all. This makes the question of who is getting better resources in public school much more of an issue since resources are finite and must be shared.

This is precisely it. The travel soccer analogy is so tired, overused, and INACCURATE. Travel sports are privately funded, not taxpayer funded. I don't care how kids are picked or sorted for privately funded activities. But I do care very much how my public tax dollars are being spent. I'm happy to spend them on services for special needs kids. But that's not what AAP is.

+1,000

Sports is a suitable analogy in response to the constantly off-key "my kid is marginalized!" shrieking. The private/public distinction is just an excuse to sidestep it. Go explain it to the taxpayers who don't even have kids. Crying about the significance of tax dollars just shows you don't know how government actually works.

I think even taxpayers who don't have kids can agree that educating the youth of our community is critical to our future. I certainly did for all the years I paid taxes before I ever took advantage of the schools....if you don't see the distinction between private/public perhaps you're the one who doesn't understand how things work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The best teachers, facilities and materials are all being skimmed off for AAP kids and the gen ed kids are warehoused or worse. It's really out of control, nationwide.

This statement is so over-the-top.

I walk around my kids' schools year after year, and I see identical classrooms with identical teachers, facilities, and materials. The only way you can tell if a classroom is one of the AAP classes is if you sit down and read through things the kids have written in class. If these kids were mixed back into the Gen Ed, they would still need teachers, classrooms, books, desks. They're grouped together because it's efficient to group students of similar levels to facilitate maximum learning.

Oh wait, behind some secret door there are AAP students lounging on velvet couches next to their $20K computers, with Nobel Laureates massaging their brains.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

A faulty analogy... I can see where you're going, but travel soccer is not public school. For one, it's optional and with few exceptions, kids are paying much more to play travel. Public school is taxpayer funded and a requirement for all. This makes the question of who is getting better resources in public school much more of an issue since resources are finite and must be shared.

This is precisely it. The travel soccer analogy is so tired, overused, and INACCURATE. Travel sports are privately funded, not taxpayer funded. I don't care how kids are picked or sorted for privately funded activities. But I do care very much how my public tax dollars are being spent. I'm happy to spend them on services for special needs kids. But that's not what AAP is.

+1,000

Sports is a suitable analogy in response to the constantly off-key "my kid is marginalized!" shrieking. The private/public distinction is just an excuse to sidestep it. Go explain it to the taxpayers who don't even have kids. Crying about the significance of tax dollars just shows you don't know how government actually works.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The best teachers, facilities and materials are all being skimmed off for AAP kids and the gen ed kids are warehoused or worse. It's really out of control, nationwide.

This statement is so over-the-top.

I walk around my kids' schools year after year, and I see identical classrooms with identical teachers, facilities, and materials. The only way you can tell if a classroom is one of the AAP classes is if you sit down and read through things the kids have written in class. If these kids were mixed back into the Gen Ed, they would still need teachers, classrooms, books, desks. They're grouped together because it's efficient to group students of similar levels to facilitate maximum learning.

Oh wait, behind some secret door there are AAP students lounging on velvet couches next to their $20K computers, with Nobel Laureates massaging their brains.

Except in fcps, most of the AAP students are not smarter than gen ed kids. Hence, the AAP BLOAT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

A faulty analogy... I can see where you're going, but travel soccer is not public school. For one, it's optional and with few exceptions, kids are paying much more to play travel. Public school is taxpayer funded and a requirement for all. This makes the question of who is getting better resources in public school much more of an issue since resources are finite and must be shared.

This is precisely it. The travel soccer analogy is so tired, overused, and INACCURATE. Travel sports are privately funded, not taxpayer funded. I don't care how kids are picked or sorted for privately funded activities. But I do care very much how my public tax dollars are being spent. I'm happy to spend them on services for special needs kids. But that's not what AAP is.

+1,000

Sports is a suitable analogy in response to the constantly off-key "my kid is marginalized!" shrieking. The private/public distinction is just an excuse to sidestep it. Go explain it to the taxpayers who don't even have kids. Crying about the significance of tax dollars just shows you don't know how government actually works.

No, actually it's not a suitable analogy at all. One is privately funded, the other is not. I'm not sure why this confuses you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The best teachers, facilities and materials are all being skimmed off for AAP kids and the gen ed kids are warehoused or worse. It's really out of control, nationwide.

This statement is so over-the-top.

I walk around my kids' schools year after year, and I see identical classrooms with identical teachers, facilities, and materials. The only way you can tell if a classroom is one of the AAP classes is if you sit down and read through things the kids have written in class. If these kids were mixed back into the Gen Ed, they would still need teachers, classrooms, books, desks. They're grouped together because it's efficient to group students of similar levels to facilitate maximum learning.

Oh wait, behind some secret door there are AAP students lounging on velvet couches next to their $20K computers, with Nobel Laureates massaging their brains.

Except in fcps, most of the AAP students are not smarter than gen ed kids. Hence, the AAP BLOAT.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

A faulty analogy... I can see where you're going, but travel soccer is not public school. For one, it's optional and with few exceptions, kids are paying much more to play travel. Public school is taxpayer funded and a requirement for all. This makes the question of who is getting better resources in public school much more of an issue since resources are finite and must be shared.

This is precisely it. The travel soccer analogy is so tired, overused, and INACCURATE. Travel sports are privately funded, not taxpayer funded. I don't care how kids are picked or sorted for privately funded activities. But I do care very much how my public tax dollars are being spent. I'm happy to spend them on services for special needs kids. But that's not what AAP is.

+1,000

Sports is a suitable analogy in response to the constantly off-key "my kid is marginalized!" shrieking. The private/public distinction is just an excuse to sidestep it. Go explain it to the taxpayers who don't even have kids. Crying about the significance of tax dollars just shows you don't know how government actually works.

No, actually it's not a suitable analogy at all. One is privately funded, the other is not. I'm not sure why this confuses you.

The thing is - the big complaints are not about funding or money - its about "my child feels bad" or "I feel bad" because my kids isn't in the higher group. AAP kids use the same facilities, the same resources- can you put a number on cost? Don't think so, its not about cost.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The best teachers, facilities and materials are all being skimmed off for AAP kids and the gen ed kids are warehoused or worse. It's really out of control, nationwide.

This statement is so over-the-top.

I walk around my kids' schools year after year, and I see identical classrooms with identical teachers, facilities, and materials. The only way you can tell if a classroom is one of the AAP classes is if you sit down and read through things the kids have written in class. If these kids were mixed back into the Gen Ed, they would still need teachers, classrooms, books, desks. They're grouped together because it's efficient to group students of similar levels to facilitate maximum learning.

Oh wait, behind some secret door there are AAP students lounging on velvet couches next to their $20K computers, with Nobel Laureates massaging their brains.

Except in fcps, most of the AAP students are not smarter than gen ed kids. Hence, the AAP BLOAT.

Actually, they are. This doesn't guarantee success in the future or predict who does what in high school and beyond, but where they are now - they can handle a more accelerated and rigorous program. Period.

[Anonymous]

It goes against the very essence of equal/public education

[Anonymous]

For you, equal means the same, one-size-fits-all instruction for everyone? That's the only way that I can see that NO parents will cry foul .

[Anonymous]

^^^ and it would happen to be a great disservice to students .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

A faulty analogy... I can see where you're going, but travel soccer is not public school. For one, it's optional and with few exceptions, kids are paying much more to play travel. Public school is taxpayer funded and a requirement for all. This makes the question of who is getting better resources in public school much more of an issue since resources are finite and must be shared.

This is precisely it. The travel soccer analogy is so tired, overused, and INACCURATE. Travel sports are privately funded, not taxpayer funded. I don't care how kids are picked or sorted for privately funded activities. But I do care very much how my public tax dollars are being spent. I'm happy to spend them on services for special needs kids. But that's not what AAP is.

+1,000

Sports is a suitable analogy in response to the constantly off-key "my kid is marginalized!" shrieking. The private/public distinction is just an excuse to sidestep it. Go explain it to the taxpayers who don't even have kids. Crying about the significance of tax dollars just shows you don't know how government actually works.

No, actually it's not a suitable analogy at all. One is privately funded, the other is not. I'm not sure why this confuses you.

The thing is - the big complaints are not about funding or money - its about "my child feels bad" or "I feel bad" because my kids isn't in the higher group. AAP kids use the same facilities, the same resources- can you put a number on cost? Don't think so, its not about cost.

+1