Sound off if you think AAP is BS

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Anonymous wrote:Can we all come together and agree to officially change the name AAP to a more accurate name- AAP Bloat.

Yes we can.

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Really? Somehow I just don't see low-income parents knowing anything about referrals, appeals, or private testing.

I imagine there is a lot you don't see.

+1. Low income means low income, not necessarily inability to read.

Low income often means working multiple jobs just to stay afloat. Of course it doesn't mean unable to read. But it does mean that anything outside the ordinary when it comes to school, is going to be low priority for families whose entire focus is on just surviving, not taking their child for a $400 WISC. You know, on their day off. You people need to get out of your bubbles of privilege and get real.

Most of these posters can't seem to see past their own shiny little world. They also think every school is full of higher SES kids like theirs, where half the school tests into the AAP center somehow, and you can actually have classrooms of level IV AAP right there. Come on over to our base school, where maybe one kid per class qualifies for the AAP center, and there certainly is no local level IV.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a shame it's not just the top 2%. The current % is so disruptive to the whole system.

Top 2% of FCPS is not top 2% nationally. It's why the FCPS CogAT is not nationally normed. For perspective-- about 2% of each FCPS class is admitted to TJ.

Who cares nationally? Locally, it's causing a huge disruption and it's time to revisit the goal of AAP and also the approach. Something got lost along the way.

What has happened locally is that fcps AAP program and TJ have attracted a lot of families with high performing kids away from districts like Arlington & MC, which brings in more NMSFs, higher SATs, more prestige, etc, which attracts more educated, high achieving families which raises property valies which raises tax revenue for fcps.

+1. This. It's exactly doesn't Karen Garza has zero interest in getting rid of AAP. And why Fairfax County has a tech corridor.

It's utter hubris to declare that Fairfax County's tech corridor exists because of AAP. It would exist regardless. Plenty of highly-educated, professional parents live in Fairfax County and don't have kids in AAP.

As a twenty something professional, before I had kids (and before I discovered DCUM), I knew about Fairfax and their gifted program. It's a draw. One of many, sure, but definitely one.

I've lived in Fairfax for over 20 years and DCUM is the only place where I've ever seen such concentrated antipathy against the AAP programs. Since it's an anonymous forum, it's not clear at all how many posters there actually are who dislike AAP so much or whether they even live in Fairfax.

oh boo f*cking hoo. What about the implicit antipathy toward the Gen Ed kids?

I live in the land of TJ crazy, and know no one who explicitly or implicitly looks down on GE kids. The GE kids I know are lovely kids with nice parents. I think you're projecting.

The best teachers, facilities and materials are all being skimmed off for AAP kids and the gen ed kids are warehoused or worse. It's really out of control, nationwide. A lot of these so-called gifted kids are reverting to norm by high school, yet truly believe they are exceptional and superior. They behave accordingly.

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Anonymous wrote:The best teachers, facilities and materials are all being skimmed off for AAP kids and the gen ed kids are warehoused or worse. It's really out of control, nationwide.

This statement is so over-the-top.

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Anonymous wrote:The best teachers, facilities and materials are all being skimmed off for AAP kids and the gen ed kids are warehoused or worse. It's really out of control, nationwide.

This statement is so over-the-top.

Nationwide! Nationwide I tell you!

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Anonymous wrote:The best teachers, facilities and materials are all being skimmed off for AAP kids and the gen ed kids are warehoused or worse. It's really out of control, nationwide.

This statement is so over-the-top.

Crazy land.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a shame it's not just the top 2%. The current % is so disruptive to the whole system.

Top 2% of FCPS is not top 2% nationally. It's why the FCPS CogAT is not nationally normed. For perspective-- about 2% of each FCPS class is admitted to TJ.

Who cares nationally? Locally, it's causing a huge disruption and it's time to revisit the goal of AAP and also the approach. Something got lost along the way.

What has happened locally is that fcps AAP program and TJ have attracted a lot of families with high performing kids away from districts like Arlington & MC, which brings in more NMSFs, higher SATs, more prestige, etc, which attracts more educated, high achieving families which raises property valies which raises tax revenue for fcps.

+1. This. It's exactly doesn't Karen Garza has zero interest in getting rid of AAP. And why Fairfax County has a tech corridor.

It's utter hubris to declare that Fairfax County's tech corridor exists because of AAP. It would exist regardless. Plenty of highly-educated, professional parents live in Fairfax County and don't have kids in AAP.

As a twenty something professional, before I had kids (and before I discovered DCUM), I knew about Fairfax and their gifted program. It's a draw. One of many, sure, but definitely one.

I've lived in Fairfax for over 20 years and DCUM is the only place where I've ever seen such concentrated antipathy against the AAP programs. Since it's an anonymous forum, it's not clear at all how many posters there actually are who dislike AAP so much or whether they even live in Fairfax.

oh boo f*cking hoo. What about the implicit antipathy toward the Gen Ed kids?

I live in the land of TJ crazy, and know no one who explicitly or implicitly looks down on GE kids. The GE kids I know are lovely kids with nice parents. I think you're projecting.

The best teachers, facilities and materials are all being skimmed off for AAP kids and the gen ed kids are warehoused or worse. It's really out of control, nationwide. A lot of these so-called gifted kids are reverting to norm by high school, yet truly believe they are exceptional and superior. They behave accordingly.

And while we're at it, can we figure out a way for the kids in the soccer travel leagues to stop looking down on the kids in the house league and taking away all their resources and acting all superior as if they are all going to be professional soccer players one day?!? They're not! They'll all even out in the end so what is the point of dividing them??? AHHHHHHHHH.

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Anonymous wrote:The best teachers, facilities and materials are all being skimmed off for AAP kids and the gen ed kids are warehoused or worse. It's really out of control, nationwide.

This statement is so over-the-top.

Teachers volunteer for AAP-- they have to get separately certified. So they are choosing to leave GE-- no one is skimming them. And according to many posters on this board, the best teachers don't want AAP, because the kids are 2e, entitled, obnoxious behavior problems. So which is it?

And my kids have always sat in the classroom directly next two the GE classes-- or in two occasions in the trailer next to them. So, I would tend to think this is BS too.

Except for the fact that now FCPS AAP is not just destroying the fabric of Fairfax County-- it has now become a nationwide scourge! It is to blame for destroying DCPS (which has no gifted program) and the problems in Dirtpoor, Mississippi. My eyes have seen the light.

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Anonymous wrote:The best teachers, facilities and materials are all being skimmed off for AAP kids and the gen ed kids are warehoused or worse. It's really out of control, nationwide.

This statement is so over-the-top.

Teachers volunteer for AAP-- they have to get separately certified. So they are choosing to leave GE-- no one is skimming them. And according to many posters on this board, the best teachers don't want AAP, because the kids are 2e, entitled, obnoxious behavior problems. So which is it?

And my kids have always sat in the classroom directly next two the GE classes-- or in two occasions in the trailer next to them. So, I would tend to think this is BS too.

Except for the fact that now FCPS AAP is not just destroying the fabric of Fairfax County-- it has now become a nationwide scourge! It is to blame for destroying DCPS (which has no gifted program) and the problems in Dirtpoor, Mississippi. My eyes have seen the light.

Thanks, Obama!

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Anonymous wrote:It's a shame it's not just the top 2%. The current % is so disruptive to the whole system.

Top 2% of FCPS is not top 2% nationally. It's why the FCPS CogAT is not nationally normed. For perspective-- about 2% of each FCPS class is admitted to TJ.

Who cares nationally? Locally, it's causing a huge disruption and it's time to revisit the goal of AAP and also the approach. Something got lost along the way.

What has happened locally is that fcps AAP program and TJ have attracted a lot of families with high performing kids away from districts like Arlington & MC, which brings in more NMSFs, higher SATs, more prestige, etc, which attracts more educated, high achieving families which raises property valies which raises tax revenue for fcps.

+1. This. It's exactly doesn't Karen Garza has zero interest in getting rid of AAP. And why Fairfax County has a tech corridor.

It's utter hubris to declare that Fairfax County's tech corridor exists because of AAP. It would exist regardless. Plenty of highly-educated, professional parents live in Fairfax County and don't have kids in AAP.

As a twenty something professional, before I had kids (and before I discovered DCUM), I knew about Fairfax and their gifted program. It's a draw. One of many, sure, but definitely one.

I've lived in Fairfax for over 20 years and DCUM is the only place where I've ever seen such concentrated antipathy against the AAP programs. Since it's an anonymous forum, it's not clear at all how many posters there actually are who dislike AAP so much or whether they even live in Fairfax.

oh boo f*cking hoo. What about the implicit antipathy toward the Gen Ed kids?

I live in the land of TJ crazy, and know no one who explicitly or implicitly looks down on GE kids. The GE kids I know are lovely kids with nice parents. I think you're projecting.

The best teachers, facilities and materials are all being skimmed off for AAP kids and the gen ed kids are warehoused or worse. It's really out of control, nationwide. A lot of these so-called gifted kids are reverting to norm by high school, yet truly believe they are exceptional and superior. They behave accordingly.

And while we're at it, can we figure out a way for the kids in the soccer travel leagues to stop looking down on the kids in the house league and taking away all their resources and acting all superior as if they are all going to be professional soccer players one day?!? They're not! They'll all even out in the end so what is the point of dividing them??? AHHHHHHHHH.

A faulty analogy... I can see where you're going, but travel soccer is not public school. For one, it's optional and with few exceptions, kids are paying much more to play travel. Public school is taxpayer funded and a requirement for all. This makes the question of who is getting better resources in public school much more of an issue since resources are finite and must be shared.

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PP, the "better resources" is tye cohort of kids who are, for the most part, able to move through material very quickly, even with a bunch of disruptive 2E kids in the mix.

The classroom costs are the same between AAP and gen ed.

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Exactly. ^^

AAP kids are not getting "better resources."

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Anonymous wrote:PP, the "better resources" is tye cohort of kids who are, for the most part, able to move through material very quickly, even with a bunch of disruptive 2E kids in the mix.

The classroom costs are the same between AAP and gen ed.

This is a very interesting post. PP can you please elaborate? How do you know AAP classrooms are not receiving more resources or funds?

Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a shame it's not just the top 2%. The current % is so disruptive to the whole system.

Top 2% of FCPS is not top 2% nationally. It's why the FCPS CogAT is not nationally normed. For perspective-- about 2% of each FCPS class is admitted to TJ.

Who cares nationally? Locally, it's causing a huge disruption and it's time to revisit the goal of AAP and also the approach. Something got lost along the way.

What has happened locally is that fcps AAP program and TJ have attracted a lot of families with high performing kids away from districts like Arlington & MC, which brings in more NMSFs, higher SATs, more prestige, etc, which attracts more educated, high achieving families which raises property valies which raises tax revenue for fcps.

+1. This. It's exactly doesn't Karen Garza has zero interest in getting rid of AAP. And why Fairfax County has a tech corridor.

It's utter hubris to declare that Fairfax County's tech corridor exists because of AAP. It would exist regardless. Plenty of highly-educated, professional parents live in Fairfax County and don't have kids in AAP.

As a twenty something professional, before I had kids (and before I discovered DCUM), I knew about Fairfax and their gifted program. It's a draw. One of many, sure, but definitely one.

I've lived in Fairfax for over 20 years and DCUM is the only place where I've ever seen such concentrated antipathy against the AAP programs. Since it's an anonymous forum, it's not clear at all how many posters there actually are who dislike AAP so much or whether they even live in Fairfax.

oh boo f*cking hoo. What about the implicit antipathy toward the Gen Ed kids?

I live in the land of TJ crazy, and know no one who explicitly or implicitly looks down on GE kids. The GE kids I know are lovely kids with nice parents. I think you're projecting.

The best teachers, facilities and materials are all being skimmed off for AAP kids and the gen ed kids are warehoused or worse. It's really out of control, nationwide. A lot of these so-called gifted kids are reverting to norm by high school, yet truly believe they are exceptional and superior. They behave accordingly.

And while we're at it, can we figure out a way for the kids in the soccer travel leagues to stop looking down on the kids in the house league and taking away all their resources and acting all superior as if they are all going to be professional soccer players one day?!? They're not! They'll all even out in the end so what is the point of dividing them??? AHHHHHHHHH.

A faulty analogy... I can see where you're going, but travel soccer is not public school. For one, it's optional and with few exceptions, kids are paying much more to play travel. Public school is taxpayer funded and a requirement for all. This makes the question of who is getting better resources in public school much more of an issue since resources are finite and must be shared.

This is precisely it. The travel soccer analogy is so tired, overused, and INACCURATE. Travel sports are privately funded, not taxpayer funded. I don't care how kids are picked or sorted for privately funded activities. But I do care very much how my public tax dollars are being spent. I'm happy to spend them on services for special needs kids. But that's not what AAP is.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a shame it's not just the top 2%. The current % is so disruptive to the whole system.

Top 2% of FCPS is not top 2% nationally. It's why the FCPS CogAT is not nationally normed. For perspective-- about 2% of each FCPS class is admitted to TJ.

Who cares nationally? Locally, it's causing a huge disruption and it's time to revisit the goal of AAP and also the approach. Something got lost along the way.

What has happened locally is that fcps AAP program and TJ have attracted a lot of families with high performing kids away from districts like Arlington & MC, which brings in more NMSFs, higher SATs, more prestige, etc, which attracts more educated, high achieving families which raises property valies which raises tax revenue for fcps.

+1. This. It's exactly doesn't Karen Garza has zero interest in getting rid of AAP. And why Fairfax County has a tech corridor.

It's utter hubris to declare that Fairfax County's tech corridor exists because of AAP. It would exist regardless. Plenty of highly-educated, professional parents live in Fairfax County and don't have kids in AAP.

As a twenty something professional, before I had kids (and before I discovered DCUM), I knew about Fairfax and their gifted program. It's a draw. One of many, sure, but definitely one.

I've lived in Fairfax for over 20 years and DCUM is the only place where I've ever seen such concentrated antipathy against the AAP programs. Since it's an anonymous forum, it's not clear at all how many posters there actually are who dislike AAP so much or whether they even live in Fairfax.

oh boo f*cking hoo. What about the implicit antipathy toward the Gen Ed kids?

I live in the land of TJ crazy, and know no one who explicitly or implicitly looks down on GE kids. The GE kids I know are lovely kids with nice parents. I think you're projecting.

The best teachers, facilities and materials are all being skimmed off for AAP kids and the gen ed kids are warehoused or worse. It's really out of control, nationwide. A lot of these so-called gifted kids are reverting to norm by high school, yet truly believe they are exceptional and superior. They behave accordingly.

And while we're at it, can we figure out a way for the kids in the soccer travel leagues to stop looking down on the kids in the house league and taking away all their resources and acting all superior as if they are all going to be professional soccer players one day?!? They're not! They'll all even out in the end so what is the point of dividing them??? AHHHHHHHHH.

A faulty analogy... I can see where you're going, but travel soccer is not public school. For one, it's optional and with few exceptions, kids are paying much more to play travel. Public school is taxpayer funded and a requirement for all. This makes the question of who is getting better resources in public school much more of an issue since resources are finite and must be shared.

This is precisely it. The travel soccer analogy is so tired, overused, and INACCURATE. Travel sports are privately funded, not taxpayer funded. I don't care how kids are picked or sorted for privately funded activities. But I do care very much how my public tax dollars are being spent. I'm happy to spend them on services for special needs kids. But that's not what AAP is.

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