By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)

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Anonymous wrote:PP, can I try to answer?
Principle Pride came from Stoddert. That might have something to do with it.
Stoddert has many embassy families, I'm taking a guess here that more than Key or Mann. I'd say they don't want to or can't afford to spend $30k a year for middle school. They also don't want to leave DC because the commute back is a pain.
Seems like Stoddert has way more condos and townhouses vs more expensive SFH in it's boundary than Key or Mann.
I'd say middle class families(yes, upper middle if you look at the whole country) are more willing to give a new school a try that the rich who have the money and/or pressure to move their kid to private.
Mine is going to Hardy in 2 years. I can't afford private nor can the families I know. Then again, what do I know about their money. Seems like the choice is between Hardy or moving out. If any, then we would do private for high school (would be a stretch financially though) because Wilson seems scary with its metal detector.
If I had to take a guess that which school sends the most, I would've also guessed Stoddert, then Mann and Key. Don't know much about HA.
We live IB to Mann now, but in one of the condo buildings. Many kids here, but I see them giving Hardy a try. Private is for high school if any and let's not forget college.


Are you also afraid to fly? Deal also has metal detectors.


If the Hardy feeder parents hold strong and send their kids to Hardy. And, if the majority of Deal feeder parents maintain their intention of sending their kids to Wilson. Then I bet we can make those metal detectors fo away in a few years. Of course it will require DCPS to shrink the Wilson boundary and get ride of OOB feeder rights. But if upper NW parents stand together and don't allow DCPS to fragment us as they have done in the past, we CAN do this.


Huh? You're scary, PP. You imply so many things that demonstrate what a stunted, prejudiced person you clearly are. So you think by getting rid of OOB ( we are OOB and have been since pre-K...now in 5th) and shrinking boundaries (which I have no doubt means that you want to see Bancroft and Shepard nixed) you'll make Deal, Hardy and Wilson schools that no longer require basic, modern era security measures? Because the student population will be whiter and richer? Is that what you're saying. I'd like to tell you what you CAN do...


Scary or truthful? If there is nothing to fear with OOB students, then why don't you attend your neighborhood school? What you say PP implied with words you demonstrated with your feet. No difference.


No difference? Really? Must be nice for you to be such a simpleton, distilling tough issues down to such simple "they are the same" calculations. Problem is you seem to be saying that the only reason someone might apply to the OOB lottery is out of safety concerns. For middle and high school that might be a significant factor, but I don't think there are significant questions over physical safety at DC elementaries. The reasoning used in assessing a local school is usually more nuanced than asking "is it safe?" And to answer your question, "scary" not truthful. And might I add stupid too? Again, get rid of OOB kids and you think you eliminate the perceived need for metal detectors?
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Anonymous wrote:I'm confused. Are there metal detectors at Hardy now? If so, why would increased IB enrollment make them go away?


No.

The PP who brought them up finds it 'scary' that there are metal detectors at Wilson. And going to Hardy means you might go to Wilson and be around scary people or things. Or something like that.
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Anonymous wrote:I'm confused. Are there metal detectors at Hardy now? If so, why would increased IB enrollment make them go away?


No.

The PP who brought them up finds it 'scary' that there are metal detectors at Wilson. And going to Hardy means you might go to Wilson and be around scary people or things. Or something like that.


To be more clear, PP is saying of more IB go to Hardy, there is less room for OOB black students at Hardy. She's suggesting that if there is no room for black students then the need for metal detectors would go away.
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Anonymous wrote:I'm confused. Are there metal detectors at Hardy now? If so, why would increased IB enrollment make them go away?


Are you kidding? No metal detectors at Hardy!

Previous number of 6th graders from Hyde is wrong. My son counted about 15, and I saw more than 10 being dropped in front of the school on the first day.
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Anonymous wrote:I'm confused. Are there metal detectors at Hardy now? If so, why would increased IB enrollment make them go away?


No.

The PP who brought them up finds it 'scary' that there are metal detectors at Wilson. And going to Hardy means you might go to Wilson and be around scary people or things. Or something like that.


To be more clear, PP is saying of more IB go to Hardy, there is less room for OOB black students at Hardy. She's suggesting that if there is no room for black students then the need for metal detectors would go away.


NP here, yes, this is it. I am usually hesitant to call people racist on DCUM. Better to give people the benefit of the doubt. But there can be no doubt in this case. This is exactly what PP meant: the need for metal detectors at Wilson is due to the mostly black OOB population.

People, we as a society have allowed the gun lobby to take things way way too far. As a result, metal detectors in schools are sadly very common and there's even an argument that they should be more universal for liability reasons. It's a statement on our culture, not a statement on a specific school or its students necessarily.
Anonymous
So... how about let's agree to move on this latest derail -- and refocus this thread, which off-and-on has been a great source of examining the trends at Hardy & the OP did a service with his analysis..
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Previous number of 6th graders from Hyde is wrong. My son counted about 15, and I saw more than 10 being dropped in front of the school on the first day.


So that would be ~ 18 Stoddert, 13 Mann, 11 Key, 10-15 Hyde. 52-57 out of a class of around 120-130?
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Previous number of 6th graders from Hyde is wrong. My son counted about 15, and I saw more than 10 being dropped in front of the school on the first day.


So that would be ~ 18 Stoddert, 13 Mann, 11 Key, 10-15 Hyde. 52-57 out of a class of around 120-130?


OP here.

Best guess based on several years of data is that there are 44 in-boundary students in the current 7th grade. (That's IB, the less relevant measure, not feeder.) The class was about 37% IB last year.

45-50% IB (or feeder, more accurately) seems totally reasonable for his year's 6th grade class. (That's what the reported counts suggest.) the overall school is probably about 36-38% in-boundary this year. I think the school will be around 50% IB next year, with the incoming 6th grade cohort around 60% or more.



Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Previous number of 6th graders from Hyde is wrong. My son counted about 15, and I saw more than 10 being dropped in front of the school on the first day.


So that would be ~ 18 Stoddert, 13 Mann, 11 Key, 10-15 Hyde. 52-57 out of a class of around 120-130?




OP here.

Best guess based on several years of data is that there are 44 in-boundary students in the current 7th grade. (That's IB, the less relevant measure, not feeder.) The class was about 37% IB last year.

45-50% IB (or feeder, more accurately) seems totally reasonable for his year's 6th grade class. (That's what the reported counts suggest.) the overall school is probably about 36-38% in-boundary this year. I think the school will be around 50% IB next year, with the incoming 6th grade cohort around 60% or more.



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Does a student who was an OOB student at a Hardy feeder, who goes on to Hardy, count as 'IB' to the people who are breathlessly watching these numbers?

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Anonymous wrote:Does a student who was an OOB student at a Hardy feeder, who goes on to Hardy, count as 'IB' to the people who are breathlessly watching these numbers?



Yikes. Don't get this started again.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Does a student who was an OOB student at a Hardy feeder, who goes on to Hardy, count as 'IB' to the people who are breathlessly watching these numbers?



No, they are technically not IB. They won't show up as IB. That's why feeder is the more relevant number. It is not reported however.
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Anonymous wrote:Does a student who was an OOB student at a Hardy feeder, who goes on to Hardy, count as 'IB' to the people who are breathlessly watching these numbers?



No, they are technically not IB. They won't show up as IB. That's why feeder is the more relevant number. It is not reported however.


Not really. OOB feeders opting in doesn't say much as presumably they don't have any other option for middle so they aren't "opting in", more like continuing down the best path available. IB rate tells more.
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Anonymous wrote:Does a student who was an OOB student at a Hardy feeder, who goes on to Hardy, count as 'IB' to the people who are breathlessly watching these numbers?



No, they are technically not IB. They won't show up as IB. That's why feeder is the more relevant number. It is not reported however.


Not really. OOB feeders opting in doesn't say much as presumably they don't have any other option for middle so they aren't "opting in", more like continuing down the best path available. IB rate tells more.

...the only path that guarantees them access to the best non application/lottery high school and 2nd best non lottery middle.
Anonymous
Principal Pride usually "report" the feeder #s when she does the rounds at the feeder PTA meetings and Hardy open houses.
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