FCPS is turning the new high school purchased to fix crowding into an Aviation magnet school instead of a high school??

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Anonymous wrote:Web archive of KAA facilities description

https://web.archive.org/web/20250502091109/https://www.kaa-herndon.com/about-us/facilities

Hightlights (List of 11 items.)

Buildings and grounds on 40-acres

Fourteen learning communities designed to maximize individual and group work

Three gymnasiums suitable for basketball, volleyball, badminton etc.

Large multi-purpose halls

Indoor 8 lane heated swimming pool & weight lifting/fitness facilities

State-of-the-art theater and performing arts facilities

Library and study rooms

Dual dining room and cafeteria

Ceramics and robotics laboratories

Fine arts facilities

Soccer fields and Athletics oval

That sounds like plenty of space for a high school.

They can use trailers for overflow while construction is going on.

No, it sounds like tons of amenities for a high school.

It doesn’t address the actual capacity or how much classroom space there is.

What amenities? The only thing it has that other schools don't have is a pool. It's not like they're going to keep the dining room and three gyms. They will repurpose those into classrooms.

Wrong. There are a lot of special-purpose spaces and equipment (which conveyed) that typical high schools don’t have. And “repurpose” is an interesting word for the modifications that will be required for more classroom space. You can’t just snap your fingers and turn a gym into classrooms.

You clearly don't know anything about this stuff - converting a gym into classrooms would be one of the easiest projects for them to do - put down flooring, put up thin walls.

It’s starting to sound less like a high school and more like a refugee camp, but do go on.

I will, thanks! Do you know anything about construction and renovation? Because it's obvious you don't. A gym is one large room. You can easily build partitions to turn it into several smaller rooms. Have you ever been in an office building? They build it out as one large open space, and add walls to create offices. Then when one company leaves and another ones leases the space, they rebuild the interior to meet their own needs. Sometimes that means tearing down offices and building cubicles or removing walls to create a large conference room. Other times it means, building offices where there were once cubicles or turning one large conference room into several offices. I've seen this happen many times, and nobody has ever compared these office spaces to refugee camps!

But, Robyn Lady also added that it would be a shame to get rid of those beautiful "small spaces" or something like that.

But, I agree. This building is as large as Centreville. It can work. Lady has spoken about how every available space at Chantilly has been redirected. That can happen here, as well. Some people just do not want it to work.
And, there are those two extra buildings.

You are wrong and silly. Again.

People are fine if it "works," but they ought to know what the real cost is going to be, what type of school it will be (the School Board already had to shoot down Reid's dumb proposal to make it a magnet admission to which would be restricted to kids otherwise zoned to just a few FCPS high schools), how it will affect the ongoing boundary study, and how it will affect the CIP and existing renovation queue.

At present, they can't or won't answer any of these questions, and they can't or won't even say what the school's current or anticipated capacity will be. It demonstrates incompetence and poor oversight, but that doesn't mean that people don't want FCPS to get its money out of the building, which it now owns.

Well, they are 65 bus drivers short. So there is a savings for you. They will need lots fewer bus drivers and buses. Maybe a drop in the bucket, but it is a savings.

They have to educate the kids no matter where they are. How many more kids do you think they can put in Chantilly/Westfield, Centreville? Oakton and South Lakes are also pretty full.

Ah, yes. Leave out the high school in western Fairfax that FCPS is projecting will have 850 extra seats by SY 2029-30.

You don't even try to be honest with the facts.

They don't have 850 extra seats now. Wonder why the future of Herndon High is so important to you?

They might have room for one elementary school. And, that school is not at Chantilly. And, that school does not have the demographics they desire for Herndon.

Chantilly is 3000 now. No Chantilly kids are a reasonable distance from Herndon High. Without boundary changes, Westfield will soon be at 3000 with all the new construction.

We understand your strong desire to fill Herndon. There are neighborhoods easily within 10 minutes who could fill it now. And, they are not near KAA.

They had over 500 vacant seats last year and that number is only projected to go up.

There is nothing in Policy 8130 that allows them to base redistricting decisions on “desired” demographics, but there is language that suggests they should take advantage of available capacity.

It would have been very simple to move part of Chantilly to Westfield and part of Westfield - about which you pretend to worry so much - to Herndon.

Instead they went ahead and bought a school that they still haven’t figured out what they’re going to do with, or what the final price tag might be.

We own it now, so it should not go to waste, but it’s just one more instance of gross incompetence on their part of Reid and the School Board.

They are not moving high FARMs ES into a HS that is already high FARMs. That would be awful for all of the kids. They could put the aviation academy there because there is room and there are students in the area that would benefit from the program. Or a strong auto mechanics academy, outside the traditional auto mechanics class that is at a bunch of schools. Some type of vo-tech program would be a great fit at Herndon.

They can shift McNair and Coates to KAA easily enough, which will make space at Westfield and then shift kids from Chantilly to Westfield. Floris is likely to end up at KAA, which relieves South Lakes and Westfield. They can shift Oak Hill to KAA, which will help Chantilly. Then shift some kids from Centerville to Chantilly, which should now have space for kids.

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No dog in this fight but high FARMS kids generally prefer closer high FARMS schools over lower FARMS schools that are further away.

In Herndon’s case if it has space adding more high FARMS neighborhoods wouldn’t push anyone out of the school and the number of high achieving kids would stay about the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Web archive of KAA facilities description

https://web.archive.org/web/20250502091109/https://www.kaa-herndon.com/about-us/facilities

Hightlights (List of 11 items.)

Buildings and grounds on 40-acres

Fourteen learning communities designed to maximize individual and group work

Three gymnasiums suitable for basketball, volleyball, badminton etc.

Large multi-purpose halls

Indoor 8 lane heated swimming pool & weight lifting/fitness facilities

State-of-the-art theater and performing arts facilities

Library and study rooms

Dual dining room and cafeteria

Ceramics and robotics laboratories

Fine arts facilities

Soccer fields and Athletics oval

That sounds like plenty of space for a high school.

They can use trailers for overflow while construction is going on.

No, it sounds like tons of amenities for a high school.

It doesn’t address the actual capacity or how much classroom space there is.

What amenities? The only thing it has that other schools don't have is a pool. It's not like they're going to keep the dining room and three gyms. They will repurpose those into classrooms.

Wrong. There are a lot of special-purpose spaces and equipment (which conveyed) that typical high schools don’t have. And “repurpose” is an interesting word for the modifications that will be required for more classroom space. You can’t just snap your fingers and turn a gym into classrooms.

You clearly don't know anything about this stuff - converting a gym into classrooms would be one of the easiest projects for them to do - put down flooring, put up thin walls.

It’s starting to sound less like a high school and more like a refugee camp, but do go on.

I will, thanks! Do you know anything about construction and renovation? Because it's obvious you don't. A gym is one large room. You can easily build partitions to turn it into several smaller rooms. Have you ever been in an office building? They build it out as one large open space, and add walls to create offices. Then when one company leaves and another ones leases the space, they rebuild the interior to meet their own needs. Sometimes that means tearing down offices and building cubicles or removing walls to create a large conference room. Other times it means, building offices where there were once cubicles or turning one large conference room into several offices. I've seen this happen many times, and nobody has ever compared these office spaces to refugee camps!

But, Robyn Lady also added that it would be a shame to get rid of those beautiful "small spaces" or something like that.

But, I agree. This building is as large as Centreville. It can work. Lady has spoken about how every available space at Chantilly has been redirected. That can happen here, as well. Some people just do not want it to work.
And, there are those two extra buildings.

You are wrong and silly. Again.

People are fine if it "works," but they ought to know what the real cost is going to be, what type of school it will be (the School Board already had to shoot down Reid's dumb proposal to make it a magnet admission to which would be restricted to kids otherwise zoned to just a few FCPS high schools), how it will affect the ongoing boundary study, and how it will affect the CIP and existing renovation queue.

At present, they can't or won't answer any of these questions, and they can't or won't even say what the school's current or anticipated capacity will be. It demonstrates incompetence and poor oversight, but that doesn't mean that people don't want FCPS to get its money out of the building, which it now owns.

Well, they are 65 bus drivers short. So there is a savings for you. They will need lots fewer bus drivers and buses. Maybe a drop in the bucket, but it is a savings.

They have to educate the kids no matter where they are. How many more kids do you think they can put in Chantilly/Westfield, Centreville? Oakton and South Lakes are also pretty full.

Ah, yes. Leave out the high school in western Fairfax that FCPS is projecting will have 850 extra seats by SY 2029-30.

You don't even try to be honest with the facts.

They don't have 850 extra seats now. Wonder why the future of Herndon High is so important to you?

They might have room for one elementary school. And, that school is not at Chantilly. And, that school does not have the demographics they desire for Herndon.

Chantilly is 3000 now. No Chantilly kids are a reasonable distance from Herndon High. Without boundary changes, Westfield will soon be at 3000 with all the new construction.

We understand your strong desire to fill Herndon. There are neighborhoods easily within 10 minutes who could fill it now. And, they are not near KAA.

They had over 500 vacant seats last year and that number is only projected to go up.

There is nothing in Policy 8130 that allows them to base redistricting decisions on “desired” demographics, but there is language that suggests they should take advantage of available capacity.

It would have been very simple to move part of Chantilly to Westfield and part of Westfield - about which you pretend to worry so much - to Herndon.

Instead they went ahead and bought a school that they still haven’t figured out what they’re going to do with, or what the final price tag might be.

We own it now, so it should not go to waste, but it’s just one more instance of gross incompetence on their part of Reid and the School Board.

They are not moving high FARMs ES into a HS that is already high FARMs. That would be awful for all of the kids. They could put the aviation academy there because there is room and there are students in the area that would benefit from the program. Or a strong auto mechanics academy, outside the traditional auto mechanics class that is at a bunch of schools. Some type of vo-tech program would be a great fit at Herndon.

They can shift McNair and Coates to KAA easily enough, which will make space at Westfield and then shift kids from Chantilly to Westfield. Floris is likely to end up at KAA, which relieves South Lakes and Westfield. They can shift Oak Hill to KAA, which will help Chantilly. Then shift some kids from Centerville to Chantilly, which should now have space for kids.

That is reasonable. Hopefully, they could also put Crossfield there in order to relieve the bus to Oakton.

But, if there is really a need for more kids at Herndon as some insist, there are kids in 20170 (same as Town of Herndon) that live less than 2.5 miles from Herndon High-some, even less, and more than 13 miles to Langley,

But, I think Herndon is okay like it is. Over 2000 is not a small school.

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Anonymous wrote:Web archive of KAA facilities description

https://web.archive.org/web/20250502091109/https://www.kaa-herndon.com/about-us/facilities

Hightlights (List of 11 items.)

Buildings and grounds on 40-acres

Fourteen learning communities designed to maximize individual and group work

Three gymnasiums suitable for basketball, volleyball, badminton etc.

Large multi-purpose halls

Indoor 8 lane heated swimming pool & weight lifting/fitness facilities

State-of-the-art theater and performing arts facilities

Library and study rooms

Dual dining room and cafeteria

Ceramics and robotics laboratories

Fine arts facilities

Soccer fields and Athletics oval

That sounds like plenty of space for a high school.

They can use trailers for overflow while construction is going on.

No, it sounds like tons of amenities for a high school.

It doesn’t address the actual capacity or how much classroom space there is.

What amenities? The only thing it has that other schools don't have is a pool. It's not like they're going to keep the dining room and three gyms. They will repurpose those into classrooms.

Wrong. There are a lot of special-purpose spaces and equipment (which conveyed) that typical high schools don’t have. And “repurpose” is an interesting word for the modifications that will be required for more classroom space. You can’t just snap your fingers and turn a gym into classrooms.

You clearly don't know anything about this stuff - converting a gym into classrooms would be one of the easiest projects for them to do - put down flooring, put up thin walls.

It’s starting to sound less like a high school and more like a refugee camp, but do go on.

I will, thanks! Do you know anything about construction and renovation? Because it's obvious you don't. A gym is one large room. You can easily build partitions to turn it into several smaller rooms. Have you ever been in an office building? They build it out as one large open space, and add walls to create offices. Then when one company leaves and another ones leases the space, they rebuild the interior to meet their own needs. Sometimes that means tearing down offices and building cubicles or removing walls to create a large conference room. Other times it means, building offices where there were once cubicles or turning one large conference room into several offices. I've seen this happen many times, and nobody has ever compared these office spaces to refugee camps!

But, Robyn Lady also added that it would be a shame to get rid of those beautiful "small spaces" or something like that.

But, I agree. This building is as large as Centreville. It can work. Lady has spoken about how every available space at Chantilly has been redirected. That can happen here, as well. Some people just do not want it to work.
And, there are those two extra buildings.

You are wrong and silly. Again.

People are fine if it "works," but they ought to know what the real cost is going to be, what type of school it will be (the School Board already had to shoot down Reid's dumb proposal to make it a magnet admission to which would be restricted to kids otherwise zoned to just a few FCPS high schools), how it will affect the ongoing boundary study, and how it will affect the CIP and existing renovation queue.

At present, they can't or won't answer any of these questions, and they can't or won't even say what the school's current or anticipated capacity will be. It demonstrates incompetence and poor oversight, but that doesn't mean that people don't want FCPS to get its money out of the building, which it now owns.

Well, they are 65 bus drivers short. So there is a savings for you. They will need lots fewer bus drivers and buses. Maybe a drop in the bucket, but it is a savings.

They have to educate the kids no matter where they are. How many more kids do you think they can put in Chantilly/Westfield, Centreville? Oakton and South Lakes are also pretty full.

Ah, yes. Leave out the high school in western Fairfax that FCPS is projecting will have 850 extra seats by SY 2029-30.

You don't even try to be honest with the facts.

They don't have 850 extra seats now. Wonder why the future of Herndon High is so important to you?

They might have room for one elementary school. And, that school is not at Chantilly. And, that school does not have the demographics they desire for Herndon.

Chantilly is 3000 now. No Chantilly kids are a reasonable distance from Herndon High. Without boundary changes, Westfield will soon be at 3000 with all the new construction.

We understand your strong desire to fill Herndon. There are neighborhoods easily within 10 minutes who could fill it now. And, they are not near KAA.

They had over 500 vacant seats last year and that number is only projected to go up.

There is nothing in Policy 8130 that allows them to base redistricting decisions on “desired” demographics, but there is language that suggests they should take advantage of available capacity.

It would have been very simple to move part of Chantilly to Westfield and part of Westfield - about which you pretend to worry so much - to Herndon.

Instead they went ahead and bought a school that they still haven’t figured out what they’re going to do with, or what the final price tag might be.

We own it now, so it should not go to waste, but it’s just one more instance of gross incompetence on their part of Reid and the School Board.

They are not moving high FARMs ES into a HS that is already high FARMs. That would be awful for all of the kids. They could put the aviation academy there because there is room and there are students in the area that would benefit from the program. Or a strong auto mechanics academy, outside the traditional auto mechanics class that is at a bunch of schools. Some type of vo-tech program would be a great fit at Herndon.

They can shift McNair and Coates to KAA easily enough, which will make space at Westfield and then shift kids from Chantilly to Westfield. Floris is likely to end up at KAA, which relieves South Lakes and Westfield. They can shift Oak Hill to KAA, which will help Chantilly. Then shift some kids from Centerville to Chantilly, which should now have space for kids.

That is reasonable. Hopefully, they could also put Crossfield there in order to relieve the bus to Oakton.

But, if there is really a need for more kids at Herndon as some insist, there are kids in 20170 (same as Town of Herndon) that live less than 2.5 miles from Herndon High-some, even less, and more than 13 miles to Langley,

But, I think Herndon is okay like it is. Over 2000 is not a small school.

DP. “Grumble, grumble, great falls, Langley! Great falls, grumble grumble.”

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Anonymous wrote:Web archive of KAA facilities description

https://web.archive.org/web/20250502091109/https://www.kaa-herndon.com/about-us/facilities

Hightlights (List of 11 items.)

Buildings and grounds on 40-acres

Fourteen learning communities designed to maximize individual and group work

Three gymnasiums suitable for basketball, volleyball, badminton etc.

Large multi-purpose halls

Indoor 8 lane heated swimming pool & weight lifting/fitness facilities

State-of-the-art theater and performing arts facilities

Library and study rooms

Dual dining room and cafeteria

Ceramics and robotics laboratories

Fine arts facilities

Soccer fields and Athletics oval

That sounds like plenty of space for a high school.

They can use trailers for overflow while construction is going on.

No, it sounds like tons of amenities for a high school.

It doesn’t address the actual capacity or how much classroom space there is.

What amenities? The only thing it has that other schools don't have is a pool. It's not like they're going to keep the dining room and three gyms. They will repurpose those into classrooms.

Wrong. There are a lot of special-purpose spaces and equipment (which conveyed) that typical high schools don’t have. And “repurpose” is an interesting word for the modifications that will be required for more classroom space. You can’t just snap your fingers and turn a gym into classrooms.

You clearly don't know anything about this stuff - converting a gym into classrooms would be one of the easiest projects for them to do - put down flooring, put up thin walls.

It’s starting to sound less like a high school and more like a refugee camp, but do go on.

I will, thanks! Do you know anything about construction and renovation? Because it's obvious you don't. A gym is one large room. You can easily build partitions to turn it into several smaller rooms. Have you ever been in an office building? They build it out as one large open space, and add walls to create offices. Then when one company leaves and another ones leases the space, they rebuild the interior to meet their own needs. Sometimes that means tearing down offices and building cubicles or removing walls to create a large conference room. Other times it means, building offices where there were once cubicles or turning one large conference room into several offices. I've seen this happen many times, and nobody has ever compared these office spaces to refugee camps!

But, Robyn Lady also added that it would be a shame to get rid of those beautiful "small spaces" or something like that.

But, I agree. This building is as large as Centreville. It can work. Lady has spoken about how every available space at Chantilly has been redirected. That can happen here, as well. Some people just do not want it to work.
And, there are those two extra buildings.

You are wrong and silly. Again.

People are fine if it "works," but they ought to know what the real cost is going to be, what type of school it will be (the School Board already had to shoot down Reid's dumb proposal to make it a magnet admission to which would be restricted to kids otherwise zoned to just a few FCPS high schools), how it will affect the ongoing boundary study, and how it will affect the CIP and existing renovation queue.

At present, they can't or won't answer any of these questions, and they can't or won't even say what the school's current or anticipated capacity will be. It demonstrates incompetence and poor oversight, but that doesn't mean that people don't want FCPS to get its money out of the building, which it now owns.

Well, they are 65 bus drivers short. So there is a savings for you. They will need lots fewer bus drivers and buses. Maybe a drop in the bucket, but it is a savings.

They have to educate the kids no matter where they are. How many more kids do you think they can put in Chantilly/Westfield, Centreville? Oakton and South Lakes are also pretty full.

Ah, yes. Leave out the high school in western Fairfax that FCPS is projecting will have 850 extra seats by SY 2029-30.

You don't even try to be honest with the facts.

They don't have 850 extra seats now. Wonder why the future of Herndon High is so important to you?

They might have room for one elementary school. And, that school is not at Chantilly. And, that school does not have the demographics they desire for Herndon.

Chantilly is 3000 now. No Chantilly kids are a reasonable distance from Herndon High. Without boundary changes, Westfield will soon be at 3000 with all the new construction.

We understand your strong desire to fill Herndon. There are neighborhoods easily within 10 minutes who could fill it now. And, they are not near KAA.

They had over 500 vacant seats last year and that number is only projected to go up.

There is nothing in Policy 8130 that allows them to base redistricting decisions on “desired” demographics, but there is language that suggests they should take advantage of available capacity.

It would have been very simple to move part of Chantilly to Westfield and part of Westfield - about which you pretend to worry so much - to Herndon.

Instead they went ahead and bought a school that they still haven’t figured out what they’re going to do with, or what the final price tag might be.

We own it now, so it should not go to waste, but it’s just one more instance of gross incompetence on their part of Reid and the School Board.

They are not moving high FARMs ES into a HS that is already high FARMs. That would be awful for all of the kids. They could put the aviation academy there because there is room and there are students in the area that would benefit from the program. Or a strong auto mechanics academy, outside the traditional auto mechanics class that is at a bunch of schools. Some type of vo-tech program would be a great fit at Herndon.

They can shift McNair and Coates to KAA easily enough, which will make space at Westfield and then shift kids from Chantilly to Westfield. Floris is likely to end up at KAA, which relieves South Lakes and Westfield. They can shift Oak Hill to KAA, which will help Chantilly. Then shift some kids from Centerville to Chantilly, which should now have space for kids.

That is reasonable. Hopefully, they could also put Crossfield there in order to relieve the bus to Oakton.

But, if there is really a need for more kids at Herndon as some insist, there are kids in 20170 (same as Town of Herndon) that live less than 2.5 miles from Herndon High-some, even less, and more than 13 miles to Langley,

But, I think Herndon is okay like it is. Over 2000 is not a small school.

DP. “Grumble, grumble, great falls, Langley! Great falls, grumble grumble.”

No one said a word about Great Falls. Why do you keep bringing that up?

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20170 is Herndon. Everything south of 7 should without question be going to Herndon.

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Anonymous wrote:20170 is Herndon. Everything south of 7 should without question be going to Herndon.

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Anonymous wrote:20170 is Herndon. Everything south of 7 should without question be going to Herndon.

Grumble, grumble.

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Anonymous wrote:Web archive of KAA facilities description

https://web.archive.org/web/20250502091109/https://www.kaa-herndon.com/about-us/facilities

Hightlights (List of 11 items.)

Buildings and grounds on 40-acres

Fourteen learning communities designed to maximize individual and group work

Three gymnasiums suitable for basketball, volleyball, badminton etc.

Large multi-purpose halls

Indoor 8 lane heated swimming pool & weight lifting/fitness facilities

State-of-the-art theater and performing arts facilities

Library and study rooms

Dual dining room and cafeteria

Ceramics and robotics laboratories

Fine arts facilities

Soccer fields and Athletics oval

That sounds like plenty of space for a high school.

They can use trailers for overflow while construction is going on.

No, it sounds like tons of amenities for a high school.

It doesn’t address the actual capacity or how much classroom space there is.

What amenities? The only thing it has that other schools don't have is a pool. It's not like they're going to keep the dining room and three gyms. They will repurpose those into classrooms.

Wrong. There are a lot of special-purpose spaces and equipment (which conveyed) that typical high schools don’t have. And “repurpose” is an interesting word for the modifications that will be required for more classroom space. You can’t just snap your fingers and turn a gym into classrooms.

You clearly don't know anything about this stuff - converting a gym into classrooms would be one of the easiest projects for them to do - put down flooring, put up thin walls.

It’s starting to sound less like a high school and more like a refugee camp, but do go on.

I will, thanks! Do you know anything about construction and renovation? Because it's obvious you don't. A gym is one large room. You can easily build partitions to turn it into several smaller rooms. Have you ever been in an office building? They build it out as one large open space, and add walls to create offices. Then when one company leaves and another ones leases the space, they rebuild the interior to meet their own needs. Sometimes that means tearing down offices and building cubicles or removing walls to create a large conference room. Other times it means, building offices where there were once cubicles or turning one large conference room into several offices. I've seen this happen many times, and nobody has ever compared these office spaces to refugee camps!

But, Robyn Lady also added that it would be a shame to get rid of those beautiful "small spaces" or something like that.

But, I agree. This building is as large as Centreville. It can work. Lady has spoken about how every available space at Chantilly has been redirected. That can happen here, as well. Some people just do not want it to work.
And, there are those two extra buildings.

You are wrong and silly. Again.

People are fine if it "works," but they ought to know what the real cost is going to be, what type of school it will be (the School Board already had to shoot down Reid's dumb proposal to make it a magnet admission to which would be restricted to kids otherwise zoned to just a few FCPS high schools), how it will affect the ongoing boundary study, and how it will affect the CIP and existing renovation queue.

At present, they can't or won't answer any of these questions, and they can't or won't even say what the school's current or anticipated capacity will be. It demonstrates incompetence and poor oversight, but that doesn't mean that people don't want FCPS to get its money out of the building, which it now owns.

Well, they are 65 bus drivers short. So there is a savings for you. They will need lots fewer bus drivers and buses. Maybe a drop in the bucket, but it is a savings.

They have to educate the kids no matter where they are. How many more kids do you think they can put in Chantilly/Westfield, Centreville? Oakton and South Lakes are also pretty full.

Ah, yes. Leave out the high school in western Fairfax that FCPS is projecting will have 850 extra seats by SY 2029-30.

You don't even try to be honest with the facts.

They don't have 850 extra seats now. Wonder why the future of Herndon High is so important to you?

They might have room for one elementary school. And, that school is not at Chantilly. And, that school does not have the demographics they desire for Herndon.

Chantilly is 3000 now. No Chantilly kids are a reasonable distance from Herndon High. Without boundary changes, Westfield will soon be at 3000 with all the new construction.

We understand your strong desire to fill Herndon. There are neighborhoods easily within 10 minutes who could fill it now. And, they are not near KAA.

They had over 500 vacant seats last year and that number is only projected to go up.

There is nothing in Policy 8130 that allows them to base redistricting decisions on “desired” demographics, but there is language that suggests they should take advantage of available capacity.

It would have been very simple to move part of Chantilly to Westfield and part of Westfield - about which you pretend to worry so much - to Herndon.

Instead they went ahead and bought a school that they still haven’t figured out what they’re going to do with, or what the final price tag might be.

We own it now, so it should not go to waste, but it’s just one more instance of gross incompetence on their part of Reid and the School Board.

They are not moving high FARMs ES into a HS that is already high FARMs. That would be awful for all of the kids. They could put the aviation academy there because there is room and there are students in the area that would benefit from the program. Or a strong auto mechanics academy, outside the traditional auto mechanics class that is at a bunch of schools. Some type of vo-tech program would be a great fit at Herndon.

They can shift McNair and Coates to KAA easily enough, which will make space at Westfield and then shift kids from Chantilly to Westfield. Floris is likely to end up at KAA, which relieves South Lakes and Westfield. They can shift Oak Hill to KAA, which will help Chantilly. Then shift some kids from Centerville to Chantilly, which should now have space for kids.

Floris is a split feeder. They might leave part at South Lakes--depending on Meren input.

As for Centreville and Westfield, they could shift Centreville kids to Westfield rather than Chantilly to Westfield and Centreville to Chantilly. That would avoid a double switch. I am not familiar enough with the neighborhoods to know what would work better. It would seem one school to Westfield would help Centreville and Westfield.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20250502091109/https://www.kaa-herndon.com/about-us/facilities

Hightlights (List of 11 items.)

Buildings and grounds on 40-acres

Fourteen learning communities designed to maximize individual and group work

Three gymnasiums suitable for basketball, volleyball, badminton etc.

Large multi-purpose halls

Indoor 8 lane heated swimming pool & weight lifting/fitness facilities

State-of-the-art theater and performing arts facilities

Library and study rooms

Dual dining room and cafeteria

Ceramics and robotics laboratories

Fine arts facilities

Soccer fields and Athletics oval

That sounds like plenty of space for a high school.

They can use trailers for overflow while construction is going on.

No, it sounds like tons of amenities for a high school.

It doesn’t address the actual capacity or how much classroom space there is.

What amenities? The only thing it has that other schools don't have is a pool. It's not like they're going to keep the dining room and three gyms. They will repurpose those into classrooms.

Wrong. There are a lot of special-purpose spaces and equipment (which conveyed) that typical high schools don’t have. And “repurpose” is an interesting word for the modifications that will be required for more classroom space. You can’t just snap your fingers and turn a gym into classrooms.

You clearly don't know anything about this stuff - converting a gym into classrooms would be one of the easiest projects for them to do - put down flooring, put up thin walls.

It’s starting to sound less like a high school and more like a refugee camp, but do go on.

I will, thanks! Do you know anything about construction and renovation? Because it's obvious you don't. A gym is one large room. You can easily build partitions to turn it into several smaller rooms. Have you ever been in an office building? They build it out as one large open space, and add walls to create offices. Then when one company leaves and another ones leases the space, they rebuild the interior to meet their own needs. Sometimes that means tearing down offices and building cubicles or removing walls to create a large conference room. Other times it means, building offices where there were once cubicles or turning one large conference room into several offices. I've seen this happen many times, and nobody has ever compared these office spaces to refugee camps!

But, Robyn Lady also added that it would be a shame to get rid of those beautiful "small spaces" or something like that.

But, I agree. This building is as large as Centreville. It can work. Lady has spoken about how every available space at Chantilly has been redirected. That can happen here, as well. Some people just do not want it to work.
And, there are those two extra buildings.

You are wrong and silly. Again.

People are fine if it "works," but they ought to know what the real cost is going to be, what type of school it will be (the School Board already had to shoot down Reid's dumb proposal to make it a magnet admission to which would be restricted to kids otherwise zoned to just a few FCPS high schools), how it will affect the ongoing boundary study, and how it will affect the CIP and existing renovation queue.

At present, they can't or won't answer any of these questions, and they can't or won't even say what the school's current or anticipated capacity will be. It demonstrates incompetence and poor oversight, but that doesn't mean that people don't want FCPS to get its money out of the building, which it now owns.

Well, they are 65 bus drivers short. So there is a savings for you. They will need lots fewer bus drivers and buses. Maybe a drop in the bucket, but it is a savings.

They have to educate the kids no matter where they are. How many more kids do you think they can put in Chantilly/Westfield, Centreville? Oakton and South Lakes are also pretty full.

Ah, yes. Leave out the high school in western Fairfax that FCPS is projecting will have 850 extra seats by SY 2029-30.

You don't even try to be honest with the facts.

They don't have 850 extra seats now. Wonder why the future of Herndon High is so important to you?

They might have room for one elementary school. And, that school is not at Chantilly. And, that school does not have the demographics they desire for Herndon.

Chantilly is 3000 now. No Chantilly kids are a reasonable distance from Herndon High. Without boundary changes, Westfield will soon be at 3000 with all the new construction.

We understand your strong desire to fill Herndon. There are neighborhoods easily within 10 minutes who could fill it now. And, they are not near KAA.

They had over 500 vacant seats last year and that number is only projected to go up.

There is nothing in Policy 8130 that allows them to base redistricting decisions on “desired” demographics, but there is language that suggests they should take advantage of available capacity.

It would have been very simple to move part of Chantilly to Westfield and part of Westfield - about which you pretend to worry so much - to Herndon.

Instead they went ahead and bought a school that they still haven’t figured out what they’re going to do with, or what the final price tag might be.

We own it now, so it should not go to waste, but it’s just one more instance of gross incompetence on their part of Reid and the School Board.

They are not moving high FARMs ES into a HS that is already high FARMs. That would be awful for all of the kids. They could put the aviation academy there because there is room and there are students in the area that would benefit from the program. Or a strong auto mechanics academy, outside the traditional auto mechanics class that is at a bunch of schools. Some type of vo-tech program would be a great fit at Herndon.

They can shift McNair and Coates to KAA easily enough, which will make space at Westfield and then shift kids from Chantilly to Westfield. Floris is likely to end up at KAA, which relieves South Lakes and Westfield. They can shift Oak Hill to KAA, which will help Chantilly. Then shift some kids from Centerville to Chantilly, which should now have space for kids.

That is reasonable. Hopefully, they could also put Crossfield there in order to relieve the bus to Oakton.

But, if there is really a need for more kids at Herndon as some insist, there are kids in 20170 (same as Town of Herndon) that live less than 2.5 miles from Herndon High-some, even less, and more than 13 miles to Langley,

But, I think Herndon is okay like it is. Over 2000 is not a small school.

DP. We must have different ideas about what is OK, because it’s offensive to me that we’d build Herndon out to 2750 seats and then say it’s OK as long as it just has over 2000 kids. Meanwhile other schools that do need more seats get nothing from FCPS.

If nothing else, it’s an indictment of just how incompetent FCPS’s facilities planning has been for over a decade.

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Anonymous wrote:20170 is Herndon. Everything south of 7 should without question be going to Herndon.

Grumble, grumble.

So it's grumbling when people mention Herndon homes that should be going to Herndon, but when you propose that some Westfield kids backfill Herndon instead that's fine? Or literally anyone else saying Chantilly kids to Centreville or whatever. Those are all fine, but the mere mention of filling Herndon with Herndon kids from the north side of Herndon is grumbling and verboten. Got it.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20250502091109/https://www.kaa-herndon.com/about-us/facilities

Hightlights (List of 11 items.)

Buildings and grounds on 40-acres

Fourteen learning communities designed to maximize individual and group work

Three gymnasiums suitable for basketball, volleyball, badminton etc.

Large multi-purpose halls

Indoor 8 lane heated swimming pool & weight lifting/fitness facilities

State-of-the-art theater and performing arts facilities

Library and study rooms

Dual dining room and cafeteria

Ceramics and robotics laboratories

Fine arts facilities

Soccer fields and Athletics oval

That sounds like plenty of space for a high school.

They can use trailers for overflow while construction is going on.

No, it sounds like tons of amenities for a high school.

It doesn’t address the actual capacity or how much classroom space there is.

What amenities? The only thing it has that other schools don't have is a pool. It's not like they're going to keep the dining room and three gyms. They will repurpose those into classrooms.

Wrong. There are a lot of special-purpose spaces and equipment (which conveyed) that typical high schools don’t have. And “repurpose” is an interesting word for the modifications that will be required for more classroom space. You can’t just snap your fingers and turn a gym into classrooms.

You clearly don't know anything about this stuff - converting a gym into classrooms would be one of the easiest projects for them to do - put down flooring, put up thin walls.

It’s starting to sound less like a high school and more like a refugee camp, but do go on.

I will, thanks! Do you know anything about construction and renovation? Because it's obvious you don't. A gym is one large room. You can easily build partitions to turn it into several smaller rooms. Have you ever been in an office building? They build it out as one large open space, and add walls to create offices. Then when one company leaves and another ones leases the space, they rebuild the interior to meet their own needs. Sometimes that means tearing down offices and building cubicles or removing walls to create a large conference room. Other times it means, building offices where there were once cubicles or turning one large conference room into several offices. I've seen this happen many times, and nobody has ever compared these office spaces to refugee camps!

But, Robyn Lady also added that it would be a shame to get rid of those beautiful "small spaces" or something like that.

But, I agree. This building is as large as Centreville. It can work. Lady has spoken about how every available space at Chantilly has been redirected. That can happen here, as well. Some people just do not want it to work.
And, there are those two extra buildings.

You are wrong and silly. Again.

People are fine if it "works," but they ought to know what the real cost is going to be, what type of school it will be (the School Board already had to shoot down Reid's dumb proposal to make it a magnet admission to which would be restricted to kids otherwise zoned to just a few FCPS high schools), how it will affect the ongoing boundary study, and how it will affect the CIP and existing renovation queue.

At present, they can't or won't answer any of these questions, and they can't or won't even say what the school's current or anticipated capacity will be. It demonstrates incompetence and poor oversight, but that doesn't mean that people don't want FCPS to get its money out of the building, which it now owns.

Well, they are 65 bus drivers short. So there is a savings for you. They will need lots fewer bus drivers and buses. Maybe a drop in the bucket, but it is a savings.

They have to educate the kids no matter where they are. How many more kids do you think they can put in Chantilly/Westfield, Centreville? Oakton and South Lakes are also pretty full.

Ah, yes. Leave out the high school in western Fairfax that FCPS is projecting will have 850 extra seats by SY 2029-30.

You don't even try to be honest with the facts.

They don't have 850 extra seats now. Wonder why the future of Herndon High is so important to you?

They might have room for one elementary school. And, that school is not at Chantilly. And, that school does not have the demographics they desire for Herndon.

Chantilly is 3000 now. No Chantilly kids are a reasonable distance from Herndon High. Without boundary changes, Westfield will soon be at 3000 with all the new construction.

We understand your strong desire to fill Herndon. There are neighborhoods easily within 10 minutes who could fill it now. And, they are not near KAA.

They had over 500 vacant seats last year and that number is only projected to go up.

There is nothing in Policy 8130 that allows them to base redistricting decisions on “desired” demographics, but there is language that suggests they should take advantage of available capacity.

It would have been very simple to move part of Chantilly to Westfield and part of Westfield - about which you pretend to worry so much - to Herndon.

Instead they went ahead and bought a school that they still haven’t figured out what they’re going to do with, or what the final price tag might be.

We own it now, so it should not go to waste, but it’s just one more instance of gross incompetence on their part of Reid and the School Board.

They are not moving high FARMs ES into a HS that is already high FARMs. That would be awful for all of the kids. They could put the aviation academy there because there is room and there are students in the area that would benefit from the program. Or a strong auto mechanics academy, outside the traditional auto mechanics class that is at a bunch of schools. Some type of vo-tech program would be a great fit at Herndon.

They can shift McNair and Coates to KAA easily enough, which will make space at Westfield and then shift kids from Chantilly to Westfield. Floris is likely to end up at KAA, which relieves South Lakes and Westfield. They can shift Oak Hill to KAA, which will help Chantilly. Then shift some kids from Centerville to Chantilly, which should now have space for kids.

That is reasonable. Hopefully, they could also put Crossfield there in order to relieve the bus to Oakton.

But, if there is really a need for more kids at Herndon as some insist, there are kids in 20170 (same as Town of Herndon) that live less than 2.5 miles from Herndon High-some, even less, and more than 13 miles to Langley,

But, I think Herndon is okay like it is. Over 2000 is not a small school.

DP. We must have different ideas about what is OK, because it’s offensive to me that we’d build Herndon out to 2750 seats and then say it’s OK as long as it just has over 2000 kids. Meanwhile other schools that do need more seats get nothing from FCPS.

If nothing else, it’s an indictment of just how incompetent FCPS’s facilities planning has been for over a decade.

True. They should never have let KAA property go in the first place. However, I do think there was political pressure from the Board of Supervisors who were likely getting pressure from the feds to relieve an embarrassing situation.

Nevertheless, if you think they should fill Herndon, there are neighborhoods in the very close vicinity that could go there and save on bus transportation. It seems that FairFacts and Great Falls Citizens are the ones complaining about it the most. Let them fill Herndon if they think it is so important. They sure seem anxious for some reason to send other kids there.

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https://www.ffxnow.com/2025/08/28/fairfax-school-board-torn-between-traditional-or-magnet-program-for-new-western-high-school/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=nextdoor.com&utm_campaign=nextdoor_news

Wow. So Robyn Lady, who represents Dranesville, would be just fine with creating a new magnet school that kids in her district from Langley, McLean, and Marshall couldn't attend because they live too far east?

Is she on the spectrum or just really stupid? It's rare to find an elected official who so regularly demonstrates she doesn't care about most of her own constituents.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.ffxnow.com/2025/08/28/fairfax-school-board-torn-between-traditional-or-magnet-program-for-new-western-high-school/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=nextdoor.com&utm_campaign=nextdoor_news

Wow. So Robyn Lady, who represents Dranesville, would be just fine with creating a new magnet school that kids in her district from Langley, McLean, and Marshall couldn't attend because they live too far east?

Is she on the spectrum or just really stupid? It's rare to find an elected official who so regularly demonstrates she doesn't care about most of her own constituents.

Doesn't take rocket science. Her constituents do not want this school to relieve the overcrowded schools in the area.. Her influential constituents have other plans. They have made that clear on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Web archive of KAA facilities description

https://web.archive.org/web/20250502091109/https://www.kaa-herndon.com/about-us/facilities

Hightlights (List of 11 items.)

Buildings and grounds on 40-acres

Fourteen learning communities designed to maximize individual and group work

Three gymnasiums suitable for basketball, volleyball, badminton etc.

Large multi-purpose halls

Indoor 8 lane heated swimming pool & weight lifting/fitness facilities

State-of-the-art theater and performing arts facilities

Library and study rooms

Dual dining room and cafeteria

Ceramics and robotics laboratories

Fine arts facilities

Soccer fields and Athletics oval

That sounds like plenty of space for a high school.

They can use trailers for overflow while construction is going on.

No, it sounds like tons of amenities for a high school.

It doesn’t address the actual capacity or how much classroom space there is.

What amenities? The only thing it has that other schools don't have is a pool. It's not like they're going to keep the dining room and three gyms. They will repurpose those into classrooms.

Wrong. There are a lot of special-purpose spaces and equipment (which conveyed) that typical high schools don’t have. And “repurpose” is an interesting word for the modifications that will be required for more classroom space. You can’t just snap your fingers and turn a gym into classrooms.

You clearly don't know anything about this stuff - converting a gym into classrooms would be one of the easiest projects for them to do - put down flooring, put up thin walls.

It’s starting to sound less like a high school and more like a refugee camp, but do go on.

I will, thanks! Do you know anything about construction and renovation? Because it's obvious you don't. A gym is one large room. You can easily build partitions to turn it into several smaller rooms. Have you ever been in an office building? They build it out as one large open space, and add walls to create offices. Then when one company leaves and another ones leases the space, they rebuild the interior to meet their own needs. Sometimes that means tearing down offices and building cubicles or removing walls to create a large conference room. Other times it means, building offices where there were once cubicles or turning one large conference room into several offices. I've seen this happen many times, and nobody has ever compared these office spaces to refugee camps!

But, Robyn Lady also added that it would be a shame to get rid of those beautiful "small spaces" or something like that.

But, I agree. This building is as large as Centreville. It can work. Lady has spoken about how every available space at Chantilly has been redirected. That can happen here, as well. Some people just do not want it to work.
And, there are those two extra buildings.

You are wrong and silly. Again.

People are fine if it "works," but they ought to know what the real cost is going to be, what type of school it will be (the School Board already had to shoot down Reid's dumb proposal to make it a magnet admission to which would be restricted to kids otherwise zoned to just a few FCPS high schools), how it will affect the ongoing boundary study, and how it will affect the CIP and existing renovation queue.

At present, they can't or won't answer any of these questions, and they can't or won't even say what the school's current or anticipated capacity will be. It demonstrates incompetence and poor oversight, but that doesn't mean that people don't want FCPS to get its money out of the building, which it now owns.

Well, they are 65 bus drivers short. So there is a savings for you. They will need lots fewer bus drivers and buses. Maybe a drop in the bucket, but it is a savings.

They have to educate the kids no matter where they are. How many more kids do you think they can put in Chantilly/Westfield, Centreville? Oakton and South Lakes are also pretty full.

Ah, yes. Leave out the high school in western Fairfax that FCPS is projecting will have 850 extra seats by SY 2029-30.

You don't even try to be honest with the facts.

They don't have 850 extra seats now. Wonder why the future of Herndon High is so important to you?

They might have room for one elementary school. And, that school is not at Chantilly. And, that school does not have the demographics they desire for Herndon.

Chantilly is 3000 now. No Chantilly kids are a reasonable distance from Herndon High. Without boundary changes, Westfield will soon be at 3000 with all the new construction.

We understand your strong desire to fill Herndon. There are neighborhoods easily within 10 minutes who could fill it now. And, they are not near KAA.

They had over 500 vacant seats last year and that number is only projected to go up.

There is nothing in Policy 8130 that allows them to base redistricting decisions on “desired” demographics, but there is language that suggests they should take advantage of available capacity.

It would have been very simple to move part of Chantilly to Westfield and part of Westfield - about which you pretend to worry so much - to Herndon.

Instead they went ahead and bought a school that they still haven’t figured out what they’re going to do with, or what the final price tag might be.

We own it now, so it should not go to waste, but it’s just one more instance of gross incompetence on their part of Reid and the School Board.

You certainly have great ideas to move other kids around. You do know that community and neighborhoods do matter? That was the number 1 priority on the BRAC pie charts.

Here are facts:
All these schools are too crowded and, with the exception of Centreville, all have new construction:
Chantilly:3000
Westfield:2700
Oakton: 2600
Centreville: 2300

South Lakes:2400

And, there is new construction in Chantilly, Westfield, South Lakes, and Oakton boundaries. Centreville is full.

I would think that we should have a goal of around 2500. A school can deal with more than that--as Chantilly has, but that developed over years. Certainly, any school that is over 2000 is not "too small."

And Herndon had 2200 students last year. Do you really think 2700 is a good goal? Get rid of IB at South Lakes, send AAP to Herndon Middle and Herndon would likely be just the right size.

While Westfield was expanded, it did not expand facilities like gym, cafeteria, etc.

Let's get to the planning and execution phase of this new school. It can work.

I suspect Facilities has been working KAA as community HS since March. All of this noise is just seagulling.