Ruling on MCPS LGBT curriculum case coming this morning

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

That’s high school level biology/genetics curriculum, not kindergarten.

+1 just had this discussion with my 17 yr old DD who has a few gay friends, one who is her bff since 8. She said ES is not age appropriate to bring up these topics.

My older kid had a bff in ES whose parents were gay. It was just matter of fact for them - oh, my bff has two moms, and that was it. ES children don't delve too deeply into the whys and hows. They just accept it. There is no reason to teach them about the rest of the alphabet soup of genders at this age.

Agreed, children should be just have time to be innocent and childlike and loving without being exposed to everything all at once. Next thing you know MCPS will be telling 5 year olds about drugs and prostitution because some kids have homeless parents and drugs and prostitution are part of the homeless lifestyle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

Stating that there are 2 genders used to be an objective, inoffensive fact of life and biology. Trans activists have made it a “slogan.”

Saying the world was flat and black people are slaves with less rights, and stoning people to death use to be fact, the way of life, and unobjectable, does that mean we should never move forward and reach for better? Should we ignore all contrary evidence and never make changes just because some people are scared of the boogeyman?

We use to tell kids the stork delivered the baby, then realized it wasn’t really helpful to tell kids not to lie then lie to them about basic human biology.

Know better do better. The boogeyman isn’t there, the kids will be fine.

The kids will be fine if they don't learn about lgbtq in ES. Save it for MS/HS.

- dp

They won’t be fine. They’ll bully their classmates for having a Daddy and Papa or for dressing in a non-conforming way on picture day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

Stating that there are 2 genders used to be an objective, inoffensive fact of life and biology. Trans activists have made it a “slogan.”

Saying the world was flat and black people are slaves with less rights, and stoning people to death use to be fact, the way of life, and unobjectable, does that mean we should never move forward and reach for better? Should we ignore all contrary evidence and never make changes just because some people are scared of the boogeyman?

We use to tell kids the stork delivered the baby, then realized it wasn’t really helpful to tell kids not to lie then lie to them about basic human biology.

Know better do better. The boogeyman isn’t there, the kids will be fine.

The kids will be fine if they don't learn about lgbtq in ES. Save it for MS/HS.

- dp

They won’t be fine. They’ll bully their classmates for having a Daddy and Papa or for dressing in a non-conforming way on picture day.

Are you seriously taking the position that Pride Puppy prevents kids from being bullied? That’s abject nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

Stating that there are 2 genders used to be an objective, inoffensive fact of life and biology. Trans activists have made it a “slogan.”

Saying the world was flat and black people are slaves with less rights, and stoning people to death use to be fact, the way of life, and unobjectable, does that mean we should never move forward and reach for better? Should we ignore all contrary evidence and never make changes just because some people are scared of the boogeyman?

We use to tell kids the stork delivered the baby, then realized it wasn’t really helpful to tell kids not to lie then lie to them about basic human biology.

Know better do better. The boogeyman isn’t there, the kids will be fine.

DP. Personally I am quite fine with older kids learning about the new religion that has grown in US that teaches that people have gender souls that can change in a baptism of self-awareness which then requires ritualistic body modification. They should learn about religious beliefs and religious mortification practices. Gender ideology isn’t the only religion that demands body mortification as part of its tenets. However, I do not want young kids taught the religious tenets of this neo religion as fact, because of course they are not. It’s no different that the schools that used to teach that Jesus rose from the dead as fact.

I sharply distinguish between LGB and T, although Pride Puppy with its fetish wear pictures was obviously inappropriate and it was ridiculous for the school district to ever argue that they had the right to show kindergarteners pictures of mostly naked men in bondage gear. No parents except highly suspicious extreme liberal parents want that. Very few parents object to books that show a family with two dads or two moms in the background. But, because the school district refused to moderate and inexplicably decided to fight for the right to require all kindergartners to have cartoon pictures of men in fetishwear in their books, here we are. The arrogance of MCPS is astonishing.

There are some good es books that explain differences in families and people that are not over the top and in your face.

This is why people should do their own research. There is no mostly naked in bondage wear any where in Pride Puppy.

Yes, there are. Or more specifically, there were at the time of filing the lawsuit. The pictures are widely available online and were referenced in oral argument in this case.

The publisher, seeing the backlash, has since re-issued the book to remove the fetishwear. But that doesn’t mean it wasn’t there.

The case was filed in 2023. This video was filmed in 2021. Show me the "mostly naked in bondage wear."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sisIwl07mc4

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

Stating that there are 2 genders used to be an objective, inoffensive fact of life and biology. Trans activists have made it a “slogan.”

Saying the world was flat and black people are slaves with less rights, and stoning people to death use to be fact, the way of life, and unobjectable, does that mean we should never move forward and reach for better? Should we ignore all contrary evidence and never make changes just because some people are scared of the boogeyman?

We use to tell kids the stork delivered the baby, then realized it wasn’t really helpful to tell kids not to lie then lie to them about basic human biology.

Know better do better. The boogeyman isn’t there, the kids will be fine.

The kids will be fine if they don't learn about lgbtq in ES. Save it for MS/HS.

- dp

They won’t be fine. They’ll bully their classmates for having a Daddy and Papa or for dressing in a non-conforming way on picture day.

Are you seriously taking the position that Pride Puppy prevents kids from being bullied? That’s abject nonsense.

There’s tons of studies about this that kids that are LGBT and live in societies that don’t recognize them as normal commit suicide at higher rate.

Here’s a documentary about a Catholic priest that wrote a book about it.

https://sojo.net/articles/culture-opinion/can-fr-martin-build-bridge-between-lgbtq-catholics-and-church

Educate yourself

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

That’s high school level biology/genetics curriculum, not kindergarten.

+1 just had this discussion with my 17 yr old DD who has a few gay friends, one who is her bff since 8. She said ES is not age appropriate to bring up these topics.

My older kid had a bff in ES whose parents were gay. It was just matter of fact for them - oh, my bff has two moms, and that was it. ES children don't delve too deeply into the whys and hows. They just accept it. There is no reason to teach them about the rest of the alphabet soup of genders at this age.

Ok. So you asked a cisgender, heterosexual teen, who presumably has cisgender heterosexual parents, and who also has a primarily cisgender and heterosexual peer group, and who has never been a parent, what she thought would be good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents? And you are offering this in the spirit of authority?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

Stating that there are 2 genders used to be an objective, inoffensive fact of life and biology. Trans activists have made it a “slogan.”

Saying the world was flat and black people are slaves with less rights, and stoning people to death use to be fact, the way of life, and unobjectable, does that mean we should never move forward and reach for better? Should we ignore all contrary evidence and never make changes just because some people are scared of the boogeyman?

We use to tell kids the stork delivered the baby, then realized it wasn’t really helpful to tell kids not to lie then lie to them about basic human biology.

Know better do better. The boogeyman isn’t there, the kids will be fine.

DP. Personally I am quite fine with older kids learning about the new religion that has grown in US that teaches that people have gender souls that can change in a baptism of self-awareness which then requires ritualistic body modification. They should learn about religious beliefs and religious mortification practices. Gender ideology isn’t the only religion that demands body mortification as part of its tenets. However, I do not want young kids taught the religious tenets of this neo religion as fact, because of course they are not. It’s no different that the schools that used to teach that Jesus rose from the dead as fact.

I sharply distinguish between LGB and T, although Pride Puppy with its fetish wear pictures was obviously inappropriate and it was ridiculous for the school district to ever argue that they had the right to show kindergarteners pictures of mostly naked men in bondage gear. No parents except highly suspicious extreme liberal parents want that. Very few parents object to books that show a family with two dads or two moms in the background. But, because the school district refused to moderate and inexplicably decided to fight for the right to require all kindergartners to have cartoon pictures of men in fetishwear in their books, here we are. The arrogance of MCPS is astonishing.

There are some good es books that explain differences in families and people that are not over the top and in your face.

This is why people should do their own research. There is no mostly naked in bondage wear any where in Pride Puppy.

Yes, there are. Or more specifically, there were at the time of filing the lawsuit. The pictures are widely available online and were referenced in oral argument in this case.

The publisher, seeing the backlash, has since re-issued the book to remove the fetishwear. But that doesn’t mean it wasn’t there.

The case was filed in 2023. This video was filmed in 2021. Show me the "mostly naked in bondage wear."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sisIwl07mc4

^^ Another person who didn’t read the actual record or listen to oral argument. But that doesn’t stop them from giving their uninformed views.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

Stating that there are 2 genders used to be an objective, inoffensive fact of life and biology. Trans activists have made it a “slogan.”

Saying the world was flat and black people are slaves with less rights, and stoning people to death use to be fact, the way of life, and unobjectable, does that mean we should never move forward and reach for better? Should we ignore all contrary evidence and never make changes just because some people are scared of the boogeyman?

We use to tell kids the stork delivered the baby, then realized it wasn’t really helpful to tell kids not to lie then lie to them about basic human biology.

Know better do better. The boogeyman isn’t there, the kids will be fine.

DP. Personally I am quite fine with older kids learning about the new religion that has grown in US that teaches that people have gender souls that can change in a baptism of self-awareness which then requires ritualistic body modification. They should learn about religious beliefs and religious mortification practices. Gender ideology isn’t the only religion that demands body mortification as part of its tenets. However, I do not want young kids taught the religious tenets of this neo religion as fact, because of course they are not. It’s no different that the schools that used to teach that Jesus rose from the dead as fact.

I sharply distinguish between LGB and T, although Pride Puppy with its fetish wear pictures was obviously inappropriate and it was ridiculous for the school district to ever argue that they had the right to show kindergarteners pictures of mostly naked men in bondage gear. No parents except highly suspicious extreme liberal parents want that. Very few parents object to books that show a family with two dads or two moms in the background. But, because the school district refused to moderate and inexplicably decided to fight for the right to require all kindergartners to have cartoon pictures of men in fetishwear in their books, here we are. The arrogance of MCPS is astonishing.

There are some good es books that explain differences in families and people that are not over the top and in your face.

Problem is that MCPS refused to distinguish between the LG and BTQ+ for 5 year olds, so now everything has to be labeled LGBTQ+.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

That’s high school level biology/genetics curriculum, not kindergarten.

+1 just had this discussion with my 17 yr old DD who has a few gay friends, one who is her bff since 8. She said ES is not age appropriate to bring up these topics.

My older kid had a bff in ES whose parents were gay. It was just matter of fact for them - oh, my bff has two moms, and that was it. ES children don't delve too deeply into the whys and hows. They just accept it. There is no reason to teach them about the rest of the alphabet soup of genders at this age.

Agreed, children should be just have time to be innocent and childlike and loving without being exposed to everything all at once. Next thing you know MCPS will be telling 5 year olds about drugs and prostitution because some kids have homeless parents and drugs and prostitution are part of the homeless lifestyle.

I actually think it is fine to tell kids that some family are unhoused or experiencing food insecurity. I'm surprised you don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

Stating that there are 2 genders used to be an objective, inoffensive fact of life and biology. Trans activists have made it a “slogan.”

Saying the world was flat and black people are slaves with less rights, and stoning people to death use to be fact, the way of life, and unobjectable, does that mean we should never move forward and reach for better? Should we ignore all contrary evidence and never make changes just because some people are scared of the boogeyman?

We use to tell kids the stork delivered the baby, then realized it wasn’t really helpful to tell kids not to lie then lie to them about basic human biology.

Know better do better. The boogeyman isn’t there, the kids will be fine.

The kids will be fine if they don't learn about lgbtq in ES. Save it for MS/HS.

- dp

They won’t be fine. They’ll bully their classmates for having a Daddy and Papa or for dressing in a non-conforming way on picture day.

Are you seriously taking the position that Pride Puppy prevents kids from being bullied? That’s abject nonsense.

There’s tons of studies about this that kids that are LGBT and live in societies that don’t recognize them as normal commit suicide at higher rate.

Here’s a documentary about a Catholic priest that wrote a book about it.

https://sojo.net/articles/culture-opinion/can-fr-martin-build-bridge-between-lgbtq-catholics-and-church

Educate yourself

DP. This is case in Montgomery County, Maryland. One of those most liberal and diverse counties in the counties. Teaching Pride Puppy to pre-k is not what is saving teens here from suicide.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

That’s high school level biology/genetics curriculum, not kindergarten.

+1 just had this discussion with my 17 yr old DD who has a few gay friends, one who is her bff since 8. She said ES is not age appropriate to bring up these topics.

My older kid had a bff in ES whose parents were gay. It was just matter of fact for them - oh, my bff has two moms, and that was it. ES children don't delve too deeply into the whys and hows. They just accept it. There is no reason to teach them about the rest of the alphabet soup of genders at this age.

Agreed, children should be just have time to be innocent and childlike and loving without being exposed to everything all at once. Next thing you know MCPS will be telling 5 year olds about drugs and prostitution because some kids have homeless parents and drugs and prostitution are part of the homeless lifestyle.

I actually think it is fine to tell kids that some family are unhoused or experiencing food insecurity. I'm surprised you don't.

DP. Naturally you skipped the drugs and prostitution part.

[Anonymous]

We need to teach reading , science and arthmeictic

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's going to be really fun when Jewish kids opt out of the Narnia series, Catholics opt out of Romeo and Juliet (suicide), and on and on.

shrug.. that's their choice. Bunch of Evangelicals didn't want their kids to read Harry Potter.

But, those books are just fantasy. Teaching ES kids about lgbtq is real life and not age appropriate.

Why is it not age appropriate? If they read a book about Susie going to her uncle’s wedding will something negative happen to them?

MCPS grouped Susie going to her uncle’s wedding in the same book class as men in bondage gear, so without anyone at MCPS able to agree upon what books might be appropriate for Kindergarten, and provide such a generally agreeable list to parents, this is now where we’re at.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MCPS has just gone off the rails. If the reporting I read is accurate, this is the second big loss for MCPS. The first loss was earlier this week with a settlement with Bethany Mandell and others.

LGB was it a sweet spot but when the rest of the alphabet joined in it soured many people.

This is why we need to teach queer liberation in schools. Because this is just an insane claim. Absolutely ahistorical, and I would assume an argument made entirely in bad faith but I think it is just someone who is poorly educated.

But, just for shits and giggles, can you nail down a time frame when this sweet spot occurred? Like, a general year? Careful, it needs to be after Stonewall (led by trans women), and after Obergefell, but before....something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

That’s high school level biology/genetics curriculum, not kindergarten.

+1 just had this discussion with my 17 yr old DD who has a few gay friends, one who is her bff since 8. She said ES is not age appropriate to bring up these topics.

My older kid had a bff in ES whose parents were gay. It was just matter of fact for them - oh, my bff has two moms, and that was it. ES children don't delve too deeply into the whys and hows. They just accept it. There is no reason to teach them about the rest of the alphabet soup of genders at this age.

Ok. So you asked a cisgender, heterosexual teen, who presumably has cisgender heterosexual parents, and who also has a primarily cisgender and heterosexual peer group, and who has never been a parent, what she thought would be good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents? And you are offering this in the spirit of authority?

DP. Your question was “what’s good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents.” That’s not the charge of our elementary public school system. Getting confused about the mission of public school education is how we got into this situation.