Ruling on MCPS LGBT curriculum case coming this morning

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Anonymous wrote:The message that mcps just sent out to staff and families shows that mcps continues to miss the point.
I’d really like to know who drafted it.
“Chilling”

I thought their message was fine. What's the problem with saying "It also sends a chilling message to many valued members of our diverse community"?

You are failing to see the issue here.

MCPS = LGBTQ lobby

Court simply said that parents have right to opt out. MCPS allows opt out for lots of things. It does nto send any message to LGBTQ community. Only a LGBTQ lobby group will interepret court ruling like that.

The other things kids were opting out for were for older kids, and they could sit quietly in a room by themselves, but five-year-olds can’t.

The ruling actually gave MCPS and now they don’t have to keep the kids in school and find something else for them to do. They can make them stay home.

In what world do you think you can just “make” children stay home? That’s not the way it works sweetheart. You now have to find something else for the 5 year olds to do instead. Otherwise you’re discriminating based on religion, which is not legal.

I’m not “making kids stay home” SCOTUS is saying you can have an excused absence if you don’t want your kids in a lesson that is being taught that day.

I’m here for it. Teachers get to continue teaching. Administrators don’t have to deal with your child. You get to opt out, which is what the lawsuit was all about.

It’s not discrimination because it’s your choice.

You got your way, but you’re still complaining.

DP. That’s not AT ALL what was said, did you even read it?

Yes, I did and I also read the descent,. The descent is actually on your side. They said it would be too much time away from education to get excused absences. Every time they read a book that shows a boy and a boy can marry each other.

Just how much LGBTQIA education is going on that kids will miss “too much time”?

None but to religious zealot bigots saying Johnnie has 2 dads is LGBT education.

Reading a book with 2 moms is lgbt education to ignoramuses.

L is for lesbian. You created this nonsense, now you claim it’s ignoramus? Glad you’re coming to your senses!

Don’t worry, hon I’m gonna read these books to your kids at my house.

Honey they ain’t coming to your house, we avoid psychos.

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Anonymous wrote:For the parents opting their children out of lessons because those lessons include a same sex couple family, please know that the vast majority of us judge you harshly as a bigot and your kids will likely suffer social consequences because of your intolerance. I feel bad for them, especially those who are themselves gay. Shame on you, you intolerant and insecure people.

The vibe has shifted. I think you’ll be surprised at who is judging who here.

No such thing as a "bigot". This is a fake, made up social construct that liberals made up for people who don't agree with them. Disagreeing with you doesn't make someone an uneducated, narrow minded "bigot". It just means someone doesn't agree wth your social activist agenda.

It always interesting when folks throw out the phrase social activist as though that is a bad thing. They forgot that the founding fathers are social activist, the suffragist are social activist, Abolitionist are social activist, Etc etc. I’m pretty sure social activist consider themselves in good company of people who people and movements that have had transformational change good for humanity.

The progressives who championed and implemented eugenics in the US were also social activists.

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Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

Stating that there are 2 genders used to be an objective, inoffensive fact of life and biology. Trans activists have made it a “slogan.”

Saying the world was flat and black people are slaves with less rights, and stoning people to death use to be fact, the way of life, and unobjectable, does that mean we should never move forward and reach for better? Should we ignore all contrary evidence and never make changes just because some people are scared of the boogeyman?

We use to tell kids the stork delivered the baby, then realized it wasn’t really helpful to tell kids not to lie then lie to them about basic human biology.

Know better do better. The boogeyman isn’t there, the kids will be fine.

DP. Personally I am quite fine with older kids learning about the new religion that has grown in US that teaches that people have gender souls that can change in a baptism of self-awareness which then requires ritualistic body modification. They should learn about religious beliefs and religious mortification practices. Gender ideology isn’t the only religion that demands body mortification as part of its tenets. However, I do not want young kids taught the religious tenets of this neo religion as fact, because of course they are not. It’s no different that the schools that used to teach that Jesus rose from the dead as fact.

I sharply distinguish between LGB and T, although Pride Puppy with its fetish wear pictures was obviously inappropriate and it was ridiculous for the school district to ever argue that they had the right to show kindergarteners pictures of mostly naked men in bondage gear. No parents except highly suspicious extreme liberal parents want that. Very few parents object to books that show a family with two dads or two moms in the background. But, because the school district refused to moderate and inexplicably decided to fight for the right to require all kindergartners to have cartoon pictures of men in fetishwear in their books, here we are. The arrogance of MCPS is astonishing.

There are some good es books that explain differences in families and people that are not over the top and in your face.

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Anonymous wrote:It's going to be really fun when Jewish kids opt out of the Narnia series, Catholics opt out of Romeo and Juliet (suicide), and on and on.

shrug.. that's their choice. Bunch of Evangelicals didn't want their kids to read Harry Potter.

But, those books are just fantasy. Teaching ES kids about lgbtq is real life and not age appropriate.

Why is it not age appropriate? If they read a book about Susie going to her uncle’s wedding will something negative happen to them?

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Anonymous wrote:It's going to be really fun when Jewish kids opt out of the Narnia series, Catholics opt out of Romeo and Juliet (suicide), and on and on.

You think that kids in MCPS are actually expected to read classics like this?

Catholic schools teach R&J.

MCPS kids who take AP Lang Lit and IB do read Shakespeare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

Stating that there are 2 genders used to be an objective, inoffensive fact of life and biology. Trans activists have made it a “slogan.”

Saying the world was flat and black people are slaves with less rights, and stoning people to death use to be fact, the way of life, and unobjectable, does that mean we should never move forward and reach for better? Should we ignore all contrary evidence and never make changes just because some people are scared of the boogeyman?

We use to tell kids the stork delivered the baby, then realized it wasn’t really helpful to tell kids not to lie then lie to them about basic human biology.

Know better do better. The boogeyman isn’t there, the kids will be fine.

DP. Personally I am quite fine with older kids learning about the new religion that has grown in US that teaches that people have gender souls that can change in a baptism of self-awareness which then requires ritualistic body modification. They should learn about religious beliefs and religious mortification practices. Gender ideology isn’t the only religion that demands body mortification as part of its tenets. However, I do not want young kids taught the religious tenets of this neo religion as fact, because of course they are not. It’s no different that the schools that used to teach that Jesus rose from the dead as fact.

I sharply distinguish between LGB and T, although Pride Puppy with its fetish wear pictures was obviously inappropriate and it was ridiculous for the school district to ever argue that they had the right to show kindergarteners pictures of mostly naked men in bondage gear. No parents except highly suspicious extreme liberal parents want that. Very few parents object to books that show a family with two dads or two moms in the background. But, because the school district refused to moderate and inexplicably decided to fight for the right to require all kindergartners to have cartoon pictures of men in fetishwear in their books, here we are. The arrogance of MCPS is astonishing.

There are some good es books that explain differences in families and people that are not over the top and in your face.

This is why people should do their own research. There is no mostly naked in bondage wear any where in Pride Puppy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's going to be really fun when Jewish kids opt out of the Narnia series, Catholics opt out of Romeo and Juliet (suicide), and on and on.

You think that kids in MCPS are actually expected to read classics like this?

Catholic schools teach R&J.

MCPS kids who take AP Lang Lit and IB do read Shakespeare.

MCPS kids who don’t take AP/IB lot read and watch Shakespeare.

Catholic schools teach the Bible and it has all types of topics within.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The message that mcps just sent out to staff and families shows that mcps continues to miss the point.
I’d really like to know who drafted it.
“Chilling”

I thought their message was fine. What's the problem with saying "It also sends a chilling message to many valued members of our diverse community"?

You are failing to see the issue here.

MCPS = LGBTQ lobby

Court simply said that parents have right to opt out. MCPS allows opt out for lots of things. It does nto send any message to LGBTQ community. Only a LGBTQ lobby group will interepret court ruling like that.

The other things kids were opting out for were for older kids, and they could sit quietly in a room by themselves, but five-year-olds can’t.

The ruling actually gave MCPS and now they don’t have to keep the kids in school and find something else for them to do. They can make them stay home.

In what world do you think you can just “make” children stay home? That’s not the way it works sweetheart. You now have to find something else for the 5 year olds to do instead. Otherwise you’re discriminating based on religion, which is not legal.

I’m not “making kids stay home” SCOTUS is saying you can have an excused absence if you don’t want your kids in a lesson that is being taught that day.

I’m here for it. Teachers get to continue teaching. Administrators don’t have to deal with your child. You get to opt out, which is what the lawsuit was all about.

It’s not discrimination because it’s your choice.

You got your way, but you’re still complaining.

DP. That’s not AT ALL what was said, did you even read it?

Yes, I did and I also read the descent,. The descent is actually on your side. They said it would be too much time away from education to get excused absences. Every time they read a book that shows a boy and a boy can marry each other.

Just how much LGBTQIA education is going on that kids will miss “too much time”?

None but to religious zealot bigots saying Johnnie has 2 dads is LGBT education.

Reading a book with 2 moms is lgbt education to ignoramuses.

L is for lesbian. You created this nonsense, now you claim it’s ignoramus? Glad you’re coming to your senses!

Don’t worry, hon I’m gonna read these books to your kids at my house.

Honey they ain’t coming to your house, we avoid psychos.

I sit next to you in church.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's going to be really fun when Jewish kids opt out of the Narnia series, Catholics opt out of Romeo and Juliet (suicide), and on and on.

You think that kids in MCPS are actually expected to read classics like this?

Catholic schools teach R&J.

MCPS kids who take AP Lang Lit and IB do read Shakespeare.

MCPS kids who don’t take AP/IB lot read and watch Shakespeare.

Catholic schools teach the Bible and it has all types of topics within.

Do not lump Catholic schools with these orthodox religious right bigot psychos … pretty please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's going to be really fun when Jewish kids opt out of the Narnia series, Catholics opt out of Romeo and Juliet (suicide), and on and on.

You think that kids in MCPS are actually expected to read classics like this?

Catholic schools teach R&J.

MCPS kids who take AP Lang Lit and IB do read Shakespeare.

I’m PP. Not just those courses either. It’s part of Humanities English in 6th and 7th grade.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Parents should not be given authority over educational professionals. Parents should not be allowed to opt their kids out sex Ed or reading assignments.

-teacher and religious person

Truly disgusting people like you should never be hired as teachers.

Teachers don’t have the ultimate authority over our kids. If teachers choose more appropriate books, it would be a nonissue. I think it’s amazing MCPS focuses on one particular group and ignores the rest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

Stating that there are 2 genders used to be an objective, inoffensive fact of life and biology. Trans activists have made it a “slogan.”

Saying the world was flat and black people are slaves with less rights, and stoning people to death use to be fact, the way of life, and unobjectable, does that mean we should never move forward and reach for better? Should we ignore all contrary evidence and never make changes just because some people are scared of the boogeyman?

We use to tell kids the stork delivered the baby, then realized it wasn’t really helpful to tell kids not to lie then lie to them about basic human biology.

Know better do better. The boogeyman isn’t there, the kids will be fine.

DP. Personally I am quite fine with older kids learning about the new religion that has grown in US that teaches that people have gender souls that can change in a baptism of self-awareness which then requires ritualistic body modification. They should learn about religious beliefs and religious mortification practices. Gender ideology isn’t the only religion that demands body mortification as part of its tenets. However, I do not want young kids taught the religious tenets of this neo religion as fact, because of course they are not. It’s no different that the schools that used to teach that Jesus rose from the dead as fact.

I sharply distinguish between LGB and T, although Pride Puppy with its fetish wear pictures was obviously inappropriate and it was ridiculous for the school district to ever argue that they had the right to show kindergarteners pictures of mostly naked men in bondage gear. No parents except highly suspicious extreme liberal parents want that. Very few parents object to books that show a family with two dads or two moms in the background. But, because the school district refused to moderate and inexplicably decided to fight for the right to require all kindergartners to have cartoon pictures of men in fetishwear in their books, here we are. The arrogance of MCPS is astonishing.

There are some good es books that explain differences in families and people that are not over the top and in your face.

Like Uncle Bobby’s wedding

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's going to be really fun when Jewish kids opt out of the Narnia series, Catholics opt out of Romeo and Juliet (suicide), and on and on.

You think that kids in MCPS are actually expected to read classics like this?

Catholic schools teach R&J.

MCPS kids who take AP Lang Lit and IB do read Shakespeare.

I’m PP. Not just those courses either. It’s part of Humanities English in 6th and 7th grade.

Maybe, but we haven’t read any books of substance and have hs kids. They did watch a video in 9th for Shakespeare but were not given the book.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

Stating that there are 2 genders used to be an objective, inoffensive fact of life and biology. Trans activists have made it a “slogan.”

Saying the world was flat and black people are slaves with less rights, and stoning people to death use to be fact, the way of life, and unobjectable, does that mean we should never move forward and reach for better? Should we ignore all contrary evidence and never make changes just because some people are scared of the boogeyman?

We use to tell kids the stork delivered the baby, then realized it wasn’t really helpful to tell kids not to lie then lie to them about basic human biology.

Know better do better. The boogeyman isn’t there, the kids will be fine.

DP. Personally I am quite fine with older kids learning about the new religion that has grown in US that teaches that people have gender souls that can change in a baptism of self-awareness which then requires ritualistic body modification. They should learn about religious beliefs and religious mortification practices. Gender ideology isn’t the only religion that demands body mortification as part of its tenets. However, I do not want young kids taught the religious tenets of this neo religion as fact, because of course they are not. It’s no different that the schools that used to teach that Jesus rose from the dead as fact.

I sharply distinguish between LGB and T, although Pride Puppy with its fetish wear pictures was obviously inappropriate and it was ridiculous for the school district to ever argue that they had the right to show kindergarteners pictures of mostly naked men in bondage gear. No parents except highly suspicious extreme liberal parents want that. Very few parents object to books that show a family with two dads or two moms in the background. But, because the school district refused to moderate and inexplicably decided to fight for the right to require all kindergartners to have cartoon pictures of men in fetishwear in their books, here we are. The arrogance of MCPS is astonishing.

There are some good es books that explain differences in families and people that are not over the top and in your face.

This is why people should do their own research. There is no mostly naked in bondage wear any where in Pride Puppy.

Yes, there are. Or more specifically, there were at the time of filing the lawsuit. The pictures are widely available online and were referenced in oral argument in this case.

The publisher, seeing the backlash, has since re-issued the book to remove the fetishwear. But that doesn’t mean it wasn’t there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents should not be given authority over educational professionals. Parents should not be allowed to opt their kids out sex Ed or reading assignments.

-teacher and religious person

Truly disgusting people like you should never be hired as teachers.

Teachers don’t have the ultimate authority over our kids. If teachers choose more appropriate books, it would be a nonissue. I think it’s amazing MCPS focuses on one particular group and ignores the rest.

Are you somehow under the impression that....most...books kids are reading are about LGBTQ+ communities? Because we've done this dance before and the curriculum is primary male authors, with only a handful of LGBTQ+ characters. What does get people upset, though, is that not all of the books center cishet white men. So, some books center queer characters, some Latino/Hispanic characters, some Black characters, some Asian characters, etc. Each of these is a different group (except insofar as intersecting identities exist) but white folks tend to experience that as oppression.