Trump admin ADMITS wrongful deportation

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Anonymous wrote:Did he have due process?

Abrego Garcia did not. That's why some of us are concerned. Maybe you don't know what "due process" is. TBH, I didn't that in school. I learned it later. Maybe you haven't yet

Yes he had due process. The government made a mistake and did not follow the result of that due process.

He has been judged to be a danger to the community, denied bond, and found that the government could hold him in detention.
He was also found to be in danger if he was returned to El Salvador, so the government could not send him there.
What happened after that to allow him to not be held in detention is not clear.

However, the government can always deport him, and there is no additional due process required.
They just have to deport him somewhere other than El Salvador.

They did the one thing a court ruled they could not do and they’re not only taking no steps to correct the error, but are actively fighting in the courts to for the right to make no attempt to correct it. That’s the exact opposite of the rule of law.

The question now before the Supreme Court is whether a court can order the President to engage in foreign diplomacy to return someone to the U.S. The Supreme Court ruled on a similar issue in Zivotofsky v. Kerry, 576 U.S. 1 (2015) (Recognition Clause). Wrote Jefferson in 1790: “The transaction of business with foreign nations is executive altogether. It belongs, then, to the head of that department, except as to such portions of it as are specially submitted to the Senate. Exceptions are to be construed strictly.”

They are just a contractor. The regime is paying them to house these people.

El Salvador is a sovereign nation. He is a citizen of El Salvador.

Is the remedy here to violate Separation of Powers?

Ah yes because Trump is so respectful of other countries sovereignty.

That's not the issue.

Does the Supreme Court have the authority to order a President to engage in foreign relations? If those fail, can the Supreme Court order the U.S. military to invade another country to enforce its order?

This is not actually the issue at hand. The esteemed solicitor general is trying to switch arguments in midstream, which is bad lawyering. And won't fly.

This is not a foreign relations or diplomacy issue, there's no separation of powers issue here to worry about. This is a due process issue, which is more powerful than the executive. Neither the AG nor the president can override the constitution.

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Anonymous wrote:Did he have due process?

Abrego Garcia did not. That's why some of us are concerned. Maybe you don't know what "due process" is. TBH, I didn't that in school. I learned it later. Maybe you haven't yet

Yes he had due process. The government made a mistake and did not follow the result of that due process.

He has been judged to be a danger to the community, denied bond, and found that the government could hold him in detention.
He was also found to be in danger if he was returned to El Salvador, so the government could not send him there.
What happened after that to allow him to not be held in detention is not clear.

However, the government can always deport him, and there is no additional due process required.
They just have to deport him somewhere other than El Salvador.

They did the one thing a court ruled they could not do and they’re not only taking no steps to correct the error, but are actively fighting in the courts to for the right to make no attempt to correct it. That’s the exact opposite of the rule of law.

The question now before the Supreme Court is whether a court can order the President to engage in foreign diplomacy to return someone to the U.S. The Supreme Court ruled on a similar issue in Zivotofsky v. Kerry, 576 U.S. 1 (2015) (Recognition Clause). Wrote Jefferson in 1790: “The transaction of business with foreign nations is executive altogether. It belongs, then, to the head of that department, except as to such portions of it as are specially submitted to the Senate. Exceptions are to be construed strictly.”

They are just a contractor. The regime is paying them to house these people.

El Salvador is a sovereign nation. He is a citizen of El Salvador.

Is the remedy here to violate Separation of Powers?

Ah yes because Trump is so respectful of other countries sovereignty.

That's not the issue.

Does the Supreme Court have the authority to order a President to engage in foreign relations? If those fail, can the Supreme Court order the U.S. military to invade another country to enforce its order?

This is not actually the issue at hand. The esteemed solicitor general is trying to switch arguments in midstream, which is bad lawyering. And won't fly.

This is not a foreign relations or diplomacy issue, there's no separation of powers issue here to worry about. This is a due process issue, which is more powerful than the executive. Neither the AG nor the president can override the constitution.

There is no due process issue. He had due process. The issue is that the US is paying El Salvador for the jailing, so they should be able to get him out.

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Anonymous wrote:A judge needs to hold Pam Bondi and Kristi Noem in contempt and throw them both in jail if he’s not return by the morning. Period.

Agreed. Whoever made the order for him to be sent to El Salvador should go to jail.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that more people are not upset by this really makes me lose a lot of faith in our humanity.... I mean I see a few posts on social media but literally no one I know is outraged by this

Thank you for saying this. I feel seen.

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Anonymous wrote:Then claims that they can't bring the person back.
WTH is this? They can't or won't fix their error? Is this the state of the US justice system? https://wtop.com/maryland/2025/04/trump-administration-concedes-maryland-father-from-el-salvador-was-mistakenly-deported-and-sent-to-mega-prison/

Why did you Democrats create this open border sh*t show?

It turns out, governing is hard. MAGA is experiencing this but blaming Biden for it rather than turning their brains on and realizing that this is a large country with big issues and lots of laws to deal with lots of situations.

Ignoring all of it and saying "Deport 100 people, don't bother me with details about who they are or whether they are removable!" leads to disasters. As we see now.

DP. Problem is, it is a disaster but really only affecting a few people who are the deportee and their family members.
A few of these mistakes, maybe even a few hundred of these mistakes, are but a grain of sand in the Sahara, in comparison to the number of people who have been stopped from coming in at the border and/or lawfully deported.
Unfortunate but I do think the majority are ok with this as the cost of getting things done.

This is not the cost of getting things done if you expect competence. Do you? The mistake we have seen in the last three months are ASTONISHING. The lack of accountability is SHOCKING. Why do you accept such incompetence from our elected officials????

Because I know how extremely complex things are, and our systems work most of the time, but nothing can be perfect.
We accept those kinds of risks all the time. We drive on roads knowing there’s a small chance of getting into a fatal accident. We get medical treatments knowing there’s a small chance of something going wrong. But we don’t stay at home and do nothing because those risks exist.

Activists would have us believe we shouldn’t do any immigration enforcement because mistakes can happen, but pragmatists recognize that can’t be a reason to stay home and do nothing.

See, this is exactly what I’m afraid of. People who hear snippets about deportation and crackdowns, but never the whole story. They’re grateful for enforcement of immigration laws and think, great, we’re making some progress! They hear about one, single administrative error and think, oh well, that’s just the cost of doing business, nothing’s perfect.

This administration is more about theater than justice or protection of American citizens. They’re putting on a show and they want to shock and awe people. Look how tough we are! Look at these results! They said they were going to round up the worst of the worst first. They said you have to get the bad guys first. 75% of these men not only had never been convicted of anything in the US, but they’d never even been arrested for anything. Our government can’t produce any evidence of wrongdoing for 3/4 of them, but we’ve labeled them terrorists and sent them to CECOT, which houses the *actual* worst of the worst from El Salvador.

You think Mr. Garcia’s case was an administrative error, but don’t care because he’s probably MS-13, and hey, nothing’s perfect, but make no mistake: this administration is not striving for perfection and falling short just short of it. They weren’t going after the worst criminals. They harvested low hanging fruit and called it a success. They’re putting on a show for you and they’re completely indifferent to the actual results. All they’re looking for is the public thinking they’re accomplishing something. It’s the exact same approach they’re taking to every governmental agency. They’re not cutting out waste; they’re funneling it in different directions. They’re not increasing efficiency; they’re dismantling the very framework that makes the bureaucracy run. But none of that matters because we see them shaking things up!

He may well be putting on a show, and I’m not convinced that this is the best and most efficient way of doing things, but the numbers at the border don’t lie. Like it or not, it’s working.

What were the numbers before these infamous plane trips?

This theater was not needed. It is only needed now to threaten all Americans with possible unreviewable exile. In "error".

This guy is not and never was American. He is a citizen of El Salvador. He is back in El Salvador.

Yes, this guy is not American. But I am. Who is going to object if the Trump administration picks me up and sends me to a prison in El Salvador? Not you, it seems.

Did you object to James Fields getting a 400 year sentence?

Did he have due process?

Abrego Garcia did not. That's why some of us are concerned. Maybe you don't know what "due process" is. TBH, I didn't that in school. I learned it later. Maybe you haven't yet

What effect does this case have on your life?

None.

Asked and answered.

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Anonymous wrote:Did he have due process?

Abrego Garcia did not. That's why some of us are concerned. Maybe you don't know what "due process" is. TBH, I didn't that in school. I learned it later. Maybe you haven't yet

Yes he had due process. The government made a mistake and did not follow the result of that due process.

He has been judged to be a danger to the community, denied bond, and found that the government could hold him in detention.
He was also found to be in danger if he was returned to El Salvador, so the government could not send him there.
What happened after that to allow him to not be held in detention is not clear.

However, the government can always deport him, and there is no additional due process required.
They just have to deport him somewhere other than El Salvador.

when?

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Anonymous wrote:A judge needs to hold Pam Bondi and Kristi Noem in contempt and throw them both in jail if he’s not return by the morning. Period.

The Supreme Court has stayed the judge's order for now.

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Anonymous wrote:A judge needs to hold Pam Bondi and Kristi Noem in contempt and throw them both in jail if he’s not return by the morning. Period.

Agreed. Whoever made the order for him to be sent to El Salvador should go to jail.

It was probably someone in DC, so they will just get "no-pappered."

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Anonymous wrote:Did he have due process?

Abrego Garcia did not. That's why some of us are concerned. Maybe you don't know what "due process" is. TBH, I didn't that in school. I learned it later. Maybe you haven't yet

Yes he had due process. The government made a mistake and did not follow the result of that due process.

He has been judged to be a danger to the community, denied bond, and found that the government could hold him in detention.
He was also found to be in danger if he was returned to El Salvador, so the government could not send him there.
What happened after that to allow him to not be held in detention is not clear.

However, the government can always deport him, and there is no additional due process required.
They just have to deport him somewhere other than El Salvador.

They did the one thing a court ruled they could not do and they’re not only taking no steps to correct the error, but are actively fighting in the courts to for the right to make no attempt to correct it. That’s the exact opposite of the rule of law.

Why would a judge get to decide where their own El Salvador citizen goes. He claimed some bogus persecution of his puousa store but gangs, sound fake. Now all the gangs are under control and the fake Biden asylum status has been revoked he can go home

But our leaders didn't send him home, did they? They sent him to a concentration camp. How do you feel supporting leaders who send people - anyone, guilty or not - to a place famous for violating human rights.

Also, who do you think you are claiming the persecution was "bogus"? No one, not even your hero leaders have said that.

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Anonymous wrote:Did he have due process?

Abrego Garcia did not. That's why some of us are concerned. Maybe you don't know what "due process" is. TBH, I didn't that in school. I learned it later. Maybe you haven't yet

Yes he had due process. The government made a mistake and did not follow the result of that due process.

He has been judged to be a danger to the community, denied bond, and found that the government could hold him in detention.
He was also found to be in danger if he was returned to El Salvador, so the government could not send him there.
What happened after that to allow him to not be held in detention is not clear.

However, the government can always deport him, and there is no additional due process required.
They just have to deport him somewhere other than El Salvador.

They did the one thing a court ruled they could not do and they’re not only taking no steps to correct the error, but are actively fighting in the courts to for the right to make no attempt to correct it. That’s the exact opposite of the rule of law.

The question now before the Supreme Court is whether a court can order the President to engage in foreign diplomacy to return someone to the U.S. The Supreme Court ruled on a similar issue in Zivotofsky v. Kerry, 576 U.S. 1 (2015) (Recognition Clause). Wrote Jefferson in 1790: “The transaction of business with foreign nations is executive altogether. It belongs, then, to the head of that department, except as to such portions of it as are specially submitted to the Senate. Exceptions are to be construed strictly.”

They are just a contractor. The regime is paying them to house these people.

El Salvador is a sovereign nation. He is a citizen of El Salvador.

Is the remedy here to violate Separation of Powers?

Ah yes because Trump is so respectful of other countries sovereignty.

That's not the issue.

Does the Supreme Court have the authority to order a President to engage in foreign relations? If those fail, can the Supreme Court order the U.S. military to invade another country to enforce its order?

This is not actually the issue at hand. The esteemed solicitor general is trying to switch arguments in midstream, which is bad lawyering. And won't fly.

This is not a foreign relations or diplomacy issue, there's no separation of powers issue here to worry about. This is a due process issue, which is more powerful than the executive. Neither the AG nor the president can override the constitution.

There is no due process issue. He had due process. The issue is that the US is paying El Salvador for the jailing, so they should be able to get him out.

Part of due process is the system abiding by court orders. If they don’t have to abide by court orders, what is the purpose of court hearings? This is a mockery of the process.

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Anonymous wrote:Did he have due process?

Abrego Garcia did not. That's why some of us are concerned. Maybe you don't know what "due process" is. TBH, I didn't that in school. I learned it later. Maybe you haven't yet

Yes he had due process. The government made a mistake and did not follow the result of that due process.

He has been judged to be a danger to the community, denied bond, and found that the government could hold him in detention.
He was also found to be in danger if he was returned to El Salvador, so the government could not send him there.
What happened after that to allow him to not be held in detention is not clear.

However, the government can always deport him, and there is no additional due process required.
They just have to deport him somewhere other than El Salvador.

when?

In 2019, the same time the gave him the protection from deportation.

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Our country should not be paying to jail people in another country if we cannot say who should and should not be imprisoned there and easily correct administrative errors when made.

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Anonymous wrote:Did he have due process?

Abrego Garcia did not. That's why some of us are concerned. Maybe you don't know what "due process" is. TBH, I didn't that in school. I learned it later. Maybe you haven't yet

Yes he had due process. The government made a mistake and did not follow the result of that due process.

He has been judged to be a danger to the community, denied bond, and found that the government could hold him in detention.
He was also found to be in danger if he was returned to El Salvador, so the government could not send him there.
What happened after that to allow him to not be held in detention is not clear.

However, the government can always deport him, and there is no additional due process required.
They just have to deport him somewhere other than El Salvador.

They did the one thing a court ruled they could not do and they’re not only taking no steps to correct the error, but are actively fighting in the courts to for the right to make no attempt to correct it. That’s the exact opposite of the rule of law.

The question now before the Supreme Court is whether a court can order the President to engage in foreign diplomacy to return someone to the U.S. The Supreme Court ruled on a similar issue in Zivotofsky v. Kerry, 576 U.S. 1 (2015) (Recognition Clause). Wrote Jefferson in 1790: “The transaction of business with foreign nations is executive altogether. It belongs, then, to the head of that department, except as to such portions of it as are specially submitted to the Senate. Exceptions are to be construed strictly.”

They are just a contractor. The regime is paying them to house these people.

El Salvador is a sovereign nation. He is a citizen of El Salvador.

Is the remedy here to violate Separation of Powers?

Ah yes because Trump is so respectful of other countries sovereignty.

That's not the issue.

Does the Supreme Court have the authority to order a President to engage in foreign relations? If those fail, can the Supreme Court order the U.S. military to invade another country to enforce its order?

This is not actually the issue at hand. The esteemed solicitor general is trying to switch arguments in midstream, which is bad lawyering. And won't fly.

This is not a foreign relations or diplomacy issue, there's no separation of powers issue here to worry about. This is a due process issue, which is more powerful than the executive. Neither the AG nor the president can override the constitution.

There is no due process issue. He had due process. The issue is that the US is paying El Salvador for the jailing, so they should be able to get him out.

Part of due process is the system abiding by court orders. If they don’t have to abide by court orders, what is the purpose of court hearings? This is a mockery of the process.

I think its fair to say that the courts are the ones that have been making a mockery of the process. This guy should have been deported on day 1, not given a free pass because he could tell some sob story.

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Anonymous wrote:Did he have due process?

Abrego Garcia did not. That's why some of us are concerned. Maybe you don't know what "due process" is. TBH, I didn't that in school. I learned it later. Maybe you haven't yet

Yes he had due process. The government made a mistake and did not follow the result of that due process.

He has been judged to be a danger to the community, denied bond, and found that the government could hold him in detention.
He was also found to be in danger if he was returned to El Salvador, so the government could not send him there.
What happened after that to allow him to not be held in detention is not clear.

However, the government can always deport him, and there is no additional due process required.
They just have to deport him somewhere other than El Salvador.

They did the one thing a court ruled they could not do and they’re not only taking no steps to correct the error, but are actively fighting in the courts to for the right to make no attempt to correct it. That’s the exact opposite of the rule of law.

The question now before the Supreme Court is whether a court can order the President to engage in foreign diplomacy to return someone to the U.S. The Supreme Court ruled on a similar issue in Zivotofsky v. Kerry, 576 U.S. 1 (2015) (Recognition Clause). Wrote Jefferson in 1790: “The transaction of business with foreign nations is executive altogether. It belongs, then, to the head of that department, except as to such portions of it as are specially submitted to the Senate. Exceptions are to be construed strictly.”

They are just a contractor. The regime is paying them to house these people.

El Salvador is a sovereign nation. He is a citizen of El Salvador.

Is the remedy here to violate Separation of Powers?

Ah yes because Trump is so respectful of other countries sovereignty.

That's not the issue.

Does the Supreme Court have the authority to order a President to engage in foreign relations? If those fail, can the Supreme Court order the U.S. military to invade another country to enforce its order?

This is not actually the issue at hand. The esteemed solicitor general is trying to switch arguments in midstream, which is bad lawyering. And won't fly.

This is not a foreign relations or diplomacy issue, there's no separation of powers issue here to worry about. This is a due process issue, which is more powerful than the executive. Neither the AG nor the president can override the constitution.

There is no due process issue. He had due process. The issue is that the US is paying El Salvador for the jailing, so they should be able to get him out.

Part of due process is the system abiding by court orders. If they don’t have to abide by court orders, what is the purpose of court hearings? This is a mockery of the process.

I think it’s fair to say that the courts are the ones that have been making a mockery of the process. This guy should have been deported on day 1, not given a free pass because he could tell some sob story.

The immigration judge who ruled on this knows more about the law and this specific case than you do, so I’m not prepared to substitute your opinion for the judge’s ruling.

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Anonymous wrote:Did he have due process?

Abrego Garcia did not. That's why some of us are concerned. Maybe you don't know what "due process" is. TBH, I didn't that in school. I learned it later. Maybe you haven't yet

Yes he had due process. The government made a mistake and did not follow the result of that due process.

He has been judged to be a danger to the community, denied bond, and found that the government could hold him in detention.
He was also found to be in danger if he was returned to El Salvador, so the government could not send him there.
What happened after that to allow him to not be held in detention is not clear.

However, the government can always deport him, and there is no additional due process required.
They just have to deport him somewhere other than El Salvador.

They did the one thing a court ruled they could not do and they’re not only taking no steps to correct the error, but are actively fighting in the courts to for the right to make no attempt to correct it. That’s the exact opposite of the rule of law.

The question now before the Supreme Court is whether a court can order the President to engage in foreign diplomacy to return someone to the U.S. The Supreme Court ruled on a similar issue in Zivotofsky v. Kerry, 576 U.S. 1 (2015) (Recognition Clause). Wrote Jefferson in 1790: “The transaction of business with foreign nations is executive altogether. It belongs, then, to the head of that department, except as to such portions of it as are specially submitted to the Senate. Exceptions are to be construed strictly.”

They are just a contractor. The regime is paying them to house these people.

El Salvador is a sovereign nation. He is a citizen of El Salvador.

Is the remedy here to violate Separation of Powers?

Ah yes because Trump is so respectful of other countries sovereignty.

That's not the issue.

Does the Supreme Court have the authority to order a President to engage in foreign relations? If those fail, can the Supreme Court order the U.S. military to invade another country to enforce its order?

This is not actually the issue at hand. The esteemed solicitor general is trying to switch arguments in midstream, which is bad lawyering. And won't fly.

This is not a foreign relations or diplomacy issue, there's no separation of powers issue here to worry about. This is a due process issue, which is more powerful than the executive. Neither the AG nor the president can override the constitution.

There is no due process issue. He had due process. The issue is that the US is paying El Salvador for the jailing, so they should be able to get him out.

Part of due process is the system abiding by court orders. If they don’t have to abide by court orders, what is the purpose of court hearings? This is a mockery of the process.

If the court order violates separation of powers, it cannot be used to enforce due process. That said, contempt hearings are within the court's authority.