FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

And that is why this thread is so ugly. You don't even see how insulting and terrible those words are.

+1. Disgusting

Uh, no. There's nothing "ugly" or "disgusting" about parents not wanting their rising sophomore or junior to be removed from their high school (and friends, clubs, and teams) in an AP pyramid to be forced to attend an IB school, when it really has nothing to do with capacity or transportation or "equitable access to programs", and everything to do with making that school look better on paper and saving FCPS from actually doing any real work to prevent the school from losing accreditation or help the students in need. What parent wants their child's life upended so they can be used as a pawn just to improve optics, because they aren't really addressing any of the actual problems or helping the kids that need it.

Langley and Herndon are both AP so the whole “we don’t want IB” argument doesn’t apply there. They just think it’s beneath them to send their kids to a school that’s over 5% FARMS.

If 400 kids are pupil placing out of Herndon (a former PP said), then there is no room at Herndon if those 400 stay.

This is 100% if they make kids go back to schools they are zoned to. Even if they don’t make those kids who pupil place out HMS doesn’t have room for another school to go there

This will be even more true if they get rid of AAP centers. Kids at Herndon now go to Hughes for AAP. If they bring those kids back to HMS i imagine the school will be over 100% capacity without moving another elementary school over to the HHS pyramid

No need to imagine, the numbers are all available. Herndon MS currently has a capacity of 993, but in previous years had a program capacity of 1176. If all transfers were sent to their home school, HMS would be at 103% but if they increased the school back to its full capacity it’d be at 87%

That’s not how program capacity works. Much more nuanced than, they can just go back to how it was before.

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

And that is why this thread is so ugly. You don't even see how insulting and terrible those words are.

+1. Disgusting

Uh, no. There's nothing "ugly" or "disgusting" about parents not wanting their rising sophomore or junior to be removed from their high school (and friends, clubs, and teams) in an AP pyramid to be forced to attend an IB school, when it really has nothing to do with capacity or transportation or "equitable access to programs", and everything to do with making that school look better on paper and saving FCPS from actually doing any real work to prevent the school from losing accreditation or help the students in need. What parent wants their child's life upended so they can be used as a pawn just to improve optics, because they aren't really addressing any of the actual problems or helping the kids that need it.

Langley and Herndon are both AP so the whole “we don’t want IB” argument doesn’t apply there. They just think it’s beneath them to send their kids to a school that’s over 5% FARMS.

If 400 kids are pupil placing out of Herndon (a former PP said), then there is no room at Herndon if those 400 stay.

This is 100% if they make kids go back to schools they are zoned to. Even if they don’t make those kids who pupil place out HMS doesn’t have room for another school to go there

This will be even more true if they get rid of AAP centers. Kids at Herndon now go to Hughes for AAP. If they bring those kids back to HMS i imagine the school will be over 100% capacity without moving another elementary school over to the HHS pyramid

No need to imagine, the numbers are all available. Herndon MS currently has a capacity of 993, but in previous years had a program capacity of 1176. If all transfers were sent to their home school, HMS would be at 103% but if they increased the school back to its full capacity it’d be at 87%

That’s not how program capacity works. Much more nuanced than, they can just go back to how it was before.

Looking at historic HMS capacity data, and the capacity shifts fairly often to match the student demand.

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

And that is why this thread is so ugly. You don't even see how insulting and terrible those words are.

+1. Disgusting

Uh, no. There's nothing "ugly" or "disgusting" about parents not wanting their rising sophomore or junior to be removed from their high school (and friends, clubs, and teams) in an AP pyramid to be forced to attend an IB school, when it really has nothing to do with capacity or transportation or "equitable access to programs", and everything to do with making that school look better on paper and saving FCPS from actually doing any real work to prevent the school from losing accreditation or help the students in need. What parent wants their child's life upended so they can be used as a pawn just to improve optics, because they aren't really addressing any of the actual problems or helping the kids that need it.

Langley and Herndon are both AP so the whole “we don’t want IB” argument doesn’t apply there. They just think it’s beneath them to send their kids to a school that’s over 5% FARMS.

If 400 kids are pupil placing out of Herndon (a former PP said), then there is no room at Herndon if those 400 stay.

This is 100% if they make kids go back to schools they are zoned to. Even if they don’t make those kids who pupil place out HMS doesn’t have room for another school to go there

I am pretty sure Lewis is similar. I'm not sure it would be up to full capacity, but I bet it would be very close if they brought back all the kids who pupil place out for various reasons and also do a residency check at the nearby schools.

Step 1: allow liberal pupil placements from poor performing schools.

Step 2: complain about enrollment at said schools.

Step 3: implement disruptive boundary changes to make the catchment bigger for said schools.

I have no problem with Step 1 alone, but I have a huge problem with it when it contributes to the justification for step 3.

Shame on the school board.

Agreed.
We are taking advantage of the DLI program. Our zoned school isn't great but there's a DLI school less than a 10 min drive away. Kids got in via lottery, they get a better school and a second language from a young age. I will be livid if they use families opting into the opportunities FCPS offers to rezone the entire district.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

And that is why this thread is so ugly. You don't even see how insulting and terrible those words are.

+1. Disgusting

Uh, no. There's nothing "ugly" or "disgusting" about parents not wanting their rising sophomore or junior to be removed from their high school (and friends, clubs, and teams) in an AP pyramid to be forced to attend an IB school, when it really has nothing to do with capacity or transportation or "equitable access to programs", and everything to do with making that school look better on paper and saving FCPS from actually doing any real work to prevent the school from losing accreditation or help the students in need. What parent wants their child's life upended so they can be used as a pawn just to improve optics, because they aren't really addressing any of the actual problems or helping the kids that need it.

Langley and Herndon are both AP so the whole “we don’t want IB” argument doesn’t apply there. They just think it’s beneath them to send their kids to a school that’s over 5% FARMS.

If 400 kids are pupil placing out of Herndon (a former PP said), then there is no room at Herndon if those 400 stay.

This is 100% if they make kids go back to schools they are zoned to. Even if they don’t make those kids who pupil place out HMS doesn’t have room for another school to go there

I am pretty sure Lewis is similar. I'm not sure it would be up to full capacity, but I bet it would be very close if they brought back all the kids who pupil place out for various reasons and also do a residency check at the nearby schools.

Step 1: allow liberal pupil placements from poor performing schools.

Step 2: complain about enrollment at said schools.

Step 3: implement disruptive boundary changes to make the catchment bigger for said schools.

I have no problem with Step 1 alone, but I have a huge problem with it when it contributes to the justification for step 3.

Shame on the school board.

Agreed.
We are taking advantage of the DLI program. Our zoned school isn't great but there's a DLI school less than a 10 min drive away. Kids got in via lottery, they get a better school and a second language from a young age. I will be livid if they use families opting into the opportunities FCPS offers to rezone the entire district.

The only people suggesting FCPS stop pupil placing are those desperate to avoid rezoning. Bringing everyone back to their base school without offering the same courses will not work.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

And that is why this thread is so ugly. You don't even see how insulting and terrible those words are.

+1. Disgusting

Uh, no. There's nothing "ugly" or "disgusting" about parents not wanting their rising sophomore or junior to be removed from their high school (and friends, clubs, and teams) in an AP pyramid to be forced to attend an IB school, when it really has nothing to do with capacity or transportation or "equitable access to programs", and everything to do with making that school look better on paper and saving FCPS from actually doing any real work to prevent the school from losing accreditation or help the students in need. What parent wants their child's life upended so they can be used as a pawn just to improve optics, because they aren't really addressing any of the actual problems or helping the kids that need it.

Langley and Herndon are both AP so the whole “we don’t want IB” argument doesn’t apply there. They just think it’s beneath them to send their kids to a school that’s over 5% FARMS.

There are close to 400 transfers out of Herndon high, many appear to be for South lakes ib.

Stupid to lie about something like that. It really hurts your credibility.

Based on the VA DOE stats for 23-24, only 57 South Lakes students are enrolled in IB:

South Lakes: 267 DE vs 13 AP vs 57 IB

If hundreds of students are transferring from Herndon to South Lakes for IB, shouldn't the South Lakes IB numbers be well into hundreds of students taking IB?

https://www.doe.virginia.gov/data-policy-funding/data-reports/program-participation-data/advanced-programs


Students using a transfer loophole such as AP or IB should be required to take a full course load of the program, not just a token 1 or 2 classes.

Somewhere the numbers are not making sense. Either your number of transfers is way off, or the data that FCPS submitted to Virginia is wrong

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

And that is why this thread is so ugly. You don't even see how insulting and terrible those words are.

+1. Disgusting

Uh, no. There's nothing "ugly" or "disgusting" about parents not wanting their rising sophomore or junior to be removed from their high school (and friends, clubs, and teams) in an AP pyramid to be forced to attend an IB school, when it really has nothing to do with capacity or transportation or "equitable access to programs", and everything to do with making that school look better on paper and saving FCPS from actually doing any real work to prevent the school from losing accreditation or help the students in need. What parent wants their child's life upended so they can be used as a pawn just to improve optics, because they aren't really addressing any of the actual problems or helping the kids that need it.

Langley and Herndon are both AP so the whole “we don’t want IB” argument doesn’t apply there. They just think it’s beneath them to send their kids to a school that’s over 5% FARMS.

If 400 kids are pupil placing out of Herndon (a former PP said), then there is no room at Herndon if those 400 stay.

This is 100% if they make kids go back to schools they are zoned to. Even if they don’t make those kids who pupil place out HMS doesn’t have room for another school to go there

I am pretty sure Lewis is similar. I'm not sure it would be up to full capacity, but I bet it would be very close if they brought back all the kids who pupil place out for various reasons and also do a residency check at the nearby schools.

Step 1: allow liberal pupil placements from poor performing schools.

Step 2: complain about enrollment at said schools.

Step 3: implement disruptive boundary changes to make the catchment bigger for said schools.

I have no problem with Step 1 alone, but I have a huge problem with it when it contributes to the justification for step 3.

Shame on the school board.

Agreed.
We are taking advantage of the DLI program. Our zoned school isn't great but there's a DLI school less than a 10 min drive away. Kids got in via lottery, they get a better school and a second language from a young age. I will be livid if they use families opting into the opportunities FCPS offers to rezone the entire district.

The only people suggesting FCPS stop pupil placing are those desperate to avoid rezoning. Bringing everyone back to their base school without offering the same courses will not work.

But moving 300 students from an AP school with German all the way to AP and German 5 to an IB school without German, while 300 students from the IB school are allowed to transfer to other schools is okay?

Nope, nope, nope.

You start with bringing back the students actually zoned for the school, before considering backfilling the zoned kids' spots with children from other neighborhoods.

Start with the in zone students first by eliminating IB, closing transfer loopholes and checking residency.

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

And that is why this thread is so ugly. You don't even see how insulting and terrible those words are.

+1. Disgusting

Uh, no. There's nothing "ugly" or "disgusting" about parents not wanting their rising sophomore or junior to be removed from their high school (and friends, clubs, and teams) in an AP pyramid to be forced to attend an IB school, when it really has nothing to do with capacity or transportation or "equitable access to programs", and everything to do with making that school look better on paper and saving FCPS from actually doing any real work to prevent the school from losing accreditation or help the students in need. What parent wants their child's life upended so they can be used as a pawn just to improve optics, because they aren't really addressing any of the actual problems or helping the kids that need it.

Langley and Herndon are both AP so the whole “we don’t want IB” argument doesn’t apply there. They just think it’s beneath them to send their kids to a school that’s over 5% FARMS.

There are close to 400 transfers out of Herndon high, many appear to be for South lakes ib.

Stupid to lie about something like that. It really hurts your credibility.

Based on the VA DOE stats for 23-24, only 57 South Lakes students are enrolled in IB:

South Lakes: 267 DE vs 13 AP vs 57 IB

If hundreds of students are transferring from Herndon to South Lakes for IB, shouldn't the South Lakes IB numbers be well into hundreds of students taking IB?

https://www.doe.virginia.gov/data-policy-funding/data-reports/program-participation-data/advanced-programs


Students using a transfer loophole such as AP or IB should be required to take a full course load of the program, not just a token 1 or 2 classes.

Somewhere the numbers are not making sense. Either your number of transfers is way off, or the data that FCPS submitted to Virginia is wrong

I wondered about that, as well. Is 57 the number in the diploma program or just an IB course. If only 57 are taking IB courses, that is not very many students, even if it is just juniors and seniors. That would mean that there would only be one English class for JUniors and one for Seniors? Makes no sense. Either that, or the classes would be only 20.

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

And that is why this thread is so ugly. You don't even see how insulting and terrible those words are.

+1. Disgusting

Uh, no. There's nothing "ugly" or "disgusting" about parents not wanting their rising sophomore or junior to be removed from their high school (and friends, clubs, and teams) in an AP pyramid to be forced to attend an IB school, when it really has nothing to do with capacity or transportation or "equitable access to programs", and everything to do with making that school look better on paper and saving FCPS from actually doing any real work to prevent the school from losing accreditation or help the students in need. What parent wants their child's life upended so they can be used as a pawn just to improve optics, because they aren't really addressing any of the actual problems or helping the kids that need it.

Langley and Herndon are both AP so the whole “we don’t want IB” argument doesn’t apply there. They just think it’s beneath them to send their kids to a school that’s over 5% FARMS.

If 400 kids are pupil placing out of Herndon (a former PP said), then there is no room at Herndon if those 400 stay.

This is 100% if they make kids go back to schools they are zoned to. Even if they don’t make those kids who pupil place out HMS doesn’t have room for another school to go there

I am pretty sure Lewis is similar. I'm not sure it would be up to full capacity, but I bet it would be very close if they brought back all the kids who pupil place out for various reasons and also do a residency check at the nearby schools.

Step 1: allow liberal pupil placements from poor performing schools.

Step 2: complain about enrollment at said schools.

Step 3: implement disruptive boundary changes to make the catchment bigger for said schools.

I have no problem with Step 1 alone, but I have a huge problem with it when it contributes to the justification for step 3.

Shame on the school board.

Agreed.
We are taking advantage of the DLI program. Our zoned school isn't great but there's a DLI school less than a 10 min drive away. Kids got in via lottery, they get a better school and a second language from a young age. I will be livid if they use families opting into the opportunities FCPS offers to rezone the entire district.

The only people suggesting FCPS stop pupil placing are those desperate to avoid rezoning. Bringing everyone back to their base school without offering the same courses will not work.

But moving 300 students from an AP school with German all the way to AP and German 5 to an IB school without German, while 300 students from the IB school are allowed to transfer to other schools is okay?

Nope, nope, nope.

You start with bringing back the students actually zoned for the school, before considering backfilling the zoned kids' spots with children from other neighborhoods.

Start with the in zone students first by eliminating IB, closing transfer loopholes and checking residency.

Agree. But, I think there are more transferring by loopholes than residency offenses. I knew one that transferred for sports. Mom gave a bogus "social issues" excuse. The "social issue" is that he wanted to be on a better team.

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

And that is why this thread is so ugly. You don't even see how insulting and terrible those words are.

+1. Disgusting

Uh, no. There's nothing "ugly" or "disgusting" about parents not wanting their rising sophomore or junior to be removed from their high school (and friends, clubs, and teams) in an AP pyramid to be forced to attend an IB school, when it really has nothing to do with capacity or transportation or "equitable access to programs", and everything to do with making that school look better on paper and saving FCPS from actually doing any real work to prevent the school from losing accreditation or help the students in need. What parent wants their child's life upended so they can be used as a pawn just to improve optics, because they aren't really addressing any of the actual problems or helping the kids that need it.

Langley and Herndon are both AP so the whole “we don’t want IB” argument doesn’t apply there. They just think it’s beneath them to send their kids to a school that’s over 5% FARMS.

There are close to 400 transfers out of Herndon high, many appear to be for South lakes ib.

Stupid to lie about something like that. It really hurts your credibility.

Based on the VA DOE stats for 23-24, only 57 South Lakes students are enrolled in IB:

South Lakes: 267 DE vs 13 AP vs 57 IB

If hundreds of students are transferring from Herndon to South Lakes for IB, shouldn't the South Lakes IB numbers be well into hundreds of students taking IB?

https://www.doe.virginia.gov/data-policy-funding/data-reports/program-participation-data/advanced-programs


Students using a transfer loophole such as AP or IB should be required to take a full course load of the program, not just a token 1 or 2 classes.

Somewhere the numbers are not making sense. Either your number of transfers is way off, or the data that FCPS submitted to Virginia is wrong

I wondered about that, as well. Is 57 the number in the diploma program or just an IB course. If only 57 are taking IB courses, that is not very many students, even if it is just juniors and seniors. That would mean that there would only be one English class for JUniors and one for Seniors? Makes no sense. Either that, or the classes would be only 20.

I think that’s only for the diploma. There are hundreds of students at South Lakes taking the IB exams: https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:17::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:320,0

The rule for transferring is a minimum of 4 IB or AP classes over 4 years. So yes, you can take one token class a year to qualify.

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

And that is why this thread is so ugly. You don't even see how insulting and terrible those words are.

+1. Disgusting

Uh, no. There's nothing "ugly" or "disgusting" about parents not wanting their rising sophomore or junior to be removed from their high school (and friends, clubs, and teams) in an AP pyramid to be forced to attend an IB school, when it really has nothing to do with capacity or transportation or "equitable access to programs", and everything to do with making that school look better on paper and saving FCPS from actually doing any real work to prevent the school from losing accreditation or help the students in need. What parent wants their child's life upended so they can be used as a pawn just to improve optics, because they aren't really addressing any of the actual problems or helping the kids that need it.

Langley and Herndon are both AP so the whole “we don’t want IB” argument doesn’t apply there. They just think it’s beneath them to send their kids to a school that’s over 5% FARMS.

There are close to 400 transfers out of Herndon high, many appear to be for South lakes ib.

Stupid to lie about something like that. It really hurts your credibility.

Based on the VA DOE stats for 23-24, only 57 South Lakes students are enrolled in IB:

South Lakes: 267 DE vs 13 AP vs 57 IB

If hundreds of students are transferring from Herndon to South Lakes for IB, shouldn't the South Lakes IB numbers be well into hundreds of students taking IB?

https://www.doe.virginia.gov/data-policy-funding/data-reports/program-participation-data/advanced-programs


Students using a transfer loophole such as AP or IB should be required to take a full course load of the program, not just a token 1 or 2 classes.

Somewhere the numbers are not making sense. Either your number of transfers is way off, or the data that FCPS submitted to Virginia is wrong

I wondered about that, as well. Is 57 the number in the diploma program or just an IB course. If only 57 are taking IB courses, that is not very many students, even if it is just juniors and seniors. That would mean that there would only be one English class for JUniors and one for Seniors? Makes no sense. Either that, or the classes would be only 20.

I think that’s only for the diploma. There are hundreds of students at South Lakes taking the IB exams: https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:17::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:320,0

The rule for transferring is a minimum of 4 IB or AP classes over 4 years. So yes, you can take one token class a year to qualify.

Darn embedded emojis! Link reports about 500 students took an IB exam in 11/12 grade at South Lakes with even more participating in an IB class.

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

And that is why this thread is so ugly. You don't even see how insulting and terrible those words are.

+1. Disgusting

Uh, no. There's nothing "ugly" or "disgusting" about parents not wanting their rising sophomore or junior to be removed from their high school (and friends, clubs, and teams) in an AP pyramid to be forced to attend an IB school, when it really has nothing to do with capacity or transportation or "equitable access to programs", and everything to do with making that school look better on paper and saving FCPS from actually doing any real work to prevent the school from losing accreditation or help the students in need. What parent wants their child's life upended so they can be used as a pawn just to improve optics, because they aren't really addressing any of the actual problems or helping the kids that need it.

Langley and Herndon are both AP so the whole “we don’t want IB” argument doesn’t apply there. They just think it’s beneath them to send their kids to a school that’s over 5% FARMS.

There are close to 400 transfers out of Herndon high, many appear to be for South lakes ib.

Stupid to lie about something like that. It really hurts your credibility.

Based on the VA DOE stats for 23-24, only 57 South Lakes students are enrolled in IB:

South Lakes: 267 DE vs 13 AP vs 57 IB

If hundreds of students are transferring from Herndon to South Lakes for IB, shouldn't the South Lakes IB numbers be well into hundreds of students taking IB?

https://www.doe.virginia.gov/data-policy-funding/data-reports/program-participation-data/advanced-programs


Students using a transfer loophole such as AP or IB should be required to take a full course load of the program, not just a token 1 or 2 classes.

Somewhere the numbers are not making sense. Either your number of transfers is way off, or the data that FCPS submitted to Virginia is wrong

I wondered about that, as well. Is 57 the number in the diploma program or just an IB course. If only 57 are taking IB courses, that is not very many students, even if it is just juniors and seniors. That would mean that there would only be one English class for JUniors and one for Seniors? Makes no sense. Either that, or the classes would be only 20.

50 South Lakes students earned the diploma last year according to the state spreadsheet for 23/24.

Here are the FCPS IB numbers from 2023-24 posted on the Virginia Department of Education data.

Quite frankly, they are fairly abysmal for such an expensive program.

Mount Vernon: 14 IB diplomas awarded, 25 students participating in IB

Annandale: 54 IB diplomas awarded, 77 students participating in IB

Lewis: 10 IB diplomas awarded, 10 seniors participating in IB

Justice: 30 IB diplomas awarded, 100 seniors participating in IB

Edison: 45 IB diplomas awarded, 60 seniors participating in IB

Marshall: 68 IB diplomas awarded, 74 seniors participating in IB

Robinson: 109 IB diplomas awarded, 137 seniors participating in IB

South Lakes: 50 IB diplomas awarded, 57 seniors participating in IB

The AP schools have much higher participation rates, even when you factor in that the IB rates are only reported for seniors. AP participation is over 1000 for almost all of the AP schools.

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

And that is why this thread is so ugly. You don't even see how insulting and terrible those words are.

+1. Disgusting

Uh, no. There's nothing "ugly" or "disgusting" about parents not wanting their rising sophomore or junior to be removed from their high school (and friends, clubs, and teams) in an AP pyramid to be forced to attend an IB school, when it really has nothing to do with capacity or transportation or "equitable access to programs", and everything to do with making that school look better on paper and saving FCPS from actually doing any real work to prevent the school from losing accreditation or help the students in need. What parent wants their child's life upended so they can be used as a pawn just to improve optics, because they aren't really addressing any of the actual problems or helping the kids that need it.

Langley and Herndon are both AP so the whole “we don’t want IB” argument doesn’t apply there. They just think it’s beneath them to send their kids to a school that’s over 5% FARMS.

There are close to 400 transfers out of Herndon high, many appear to be for South lakes ib.

Stupid to lie about something like that. It really hurts your credibility.

Based on the VA DOE stats for 23-24, only 57 South Lakes students are enrolled in IB:

South Lakes: 267 DE vs 13 AP vs 57 IB

If hundreds of students are transferring from Herndon to South Lakes for IB, shouldn't the South Lakes IB numbers be well into hundreds of students taking IB?

https://www.doe.virginia.gov/data-policy-funding/data-reports/program-participation-data/advanced-programs


Students using a transfer loophole such as AP or IB should be required to take a full course load of the program, not just a token 1 or 2 classes.

Somewhere the numbers are not making sense. Either your number of transfers is way off, or the data that FCPS submitted to Virginia is wrong

I wondered about that, as well. Is 57 the number in the diploma program or just an IB course. If only 57 are taking IB courses, that is not very many students, even if it is just juniors and seniors. That would mean that there would only be one English class for JUniors and one for Seniors? Makes no sense. Either that, or the classes would be only 20.

I think that’s only for the diploma. There are hundreds of students at South Lakes taking the IB exams: https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:17::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:320,0

The rule for transferring is a minimum of 4 IB or AP classes over 4 years. So yes, you can take one token class a year to qualify.

Darn embedded emojis! Link reports about 500 students took an IB exam in 11/12 grade at South Lakes with even more participating in an IB class.

The state stats paint a very different picture.

That being said, if hundreds of students are transferring into a school for IB, shouldn't those students be required to complete the IB diploma?

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

And that is why this thread is so ugly. You don't even see how insulting and terrible those words are.

+1. Disgusting

Uh, no. There's nothing "ugly" or "disgusting" about parents not wanting their rising sophomore or junior to be removed from their high school (and friends, clubs, and teams) in an AP pyramid to be forced to attend an IB school, when it really has nothing to do with capacity or transportation or "equitable access to programs", and everything to do with making that school look better on paper and saving FCPS from actually doing any real work to prevent the school from losing accreditation or help the students in need. What parent wants their child's life upended so they can be used as a pawn just to improve optics, because they aren't really addressing any of the actual problems or helping the kids that need it.

Langley and Herndon are both AP so the whole “we don’t want IB” argument doesn’t apply there. They just think it’s beneath them to send their kids to a school that’s over 5% FARMS.

There are close to 400 transfers out of Herndon high, many appear to be for South lakes ib.

Stupid to lie about something like that. It really hurts your credibility.

Based on the VA DOE stats for 23-24, only 57 South Lakes students are enrolled in IB:

South Lakes: 267 DE vs 13 AP vs 57 IB

If hundreds of students are transferring from Herndon to South Lakes for IB, shouldn't the South Lakes IB numbers be well into hundreds of students taking IB?

https://www.doe.virginia.gov/data-policy-funding/data-reports/program-participation-data/advanced-programs


Students using a transfer loophole such as AP or IB should be required to take a full course load of the program, not just a token 1 or 2 classes.

Somewhere the numbers are not making sense. Either your number of transfers is way off, or the data that FCPS submitted to Virginia is wrong

I wondered about that, as well. Is 57 the number in the diploma program or just an IB course. If only 57 are taking IB courses, that is not very many students, even if it is just juniors and seniors. That would mean that there would only be one English class for JUniors and one for Seniors? Makes no sense. Either that, or the classes would be only 20.

50 South Lakes students earned the diploma last year according to the state spreadsheet for 23/24.

Here are the FCPS IB numbers from 2023-24 posted on the Virginia Department of Education data.

Quite frankly, they are fairly abysmal for such an expensive program.

Mount Vernon: 14 IB diplomas awarded, 25 students participating in IB

Annandale: 54 IB diplomas awarded, 77 students participating in IB

Lewis: 10 IB diplomas awarded, 10 seniors participating in IB

Justice: 30 IB diplomas awarded, 100 seniors participating in IB

Edison: 45 IB diplomas awarded, 60 seniors participating in IB

Marshall: 68 IB diplomas awarded, 74 seniors participating in IB

Robinson: 109 IB diplomas awarded, 137 seniors participating in IB

South Lakes: 50 IB diplomas awarded, 57 seniors participating in IB

The AP schools have much higher participation rates, even when you factor in that the IB rates are only reported for seniors. AP participation is over 1000 for almost all of the AP schools.

You have to separate IB diploma from IB participation. IB participation is taking a la carte courses in the same vein as AP. I’d rather they drop IB and just go full AP, because most people aren’t using the program as it’s intended anyway. They want the AP model.

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You have to separate IB diploma from IB participation. IB participation is taking a la carte courses in the same vein as AP. I’d rather they drop IB and just go full AP, because most people aren’t using the program as it’s intended anyway. They want the AP model.

Agree.

Why don't they do a survey of IB schools--be sure and include the middle school feeders.
Everyone I know with a child at an IB school would prefer AP.

It's expensive and it has contributed to this boundary mess.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

And that is why this thread is so ugly. You don't even see how insulting and terrible those words are.

+1. Disgusting

Uh, no. There's nothing "ugly" or "disgusting" about parents not wanting their rising sophomore or junior to be removed from their high school (and friends, clubs, and teams) in an AP pyramid to be forced to attend an IB school, when it really has nothing to do with capacity or transportation or "equitable access to programs", and everything to do with making that school look better on paper and saving FCPS from actually doing any real work to prevent the school from losing accreditation or help the students in need. What parent wants their child's life upended so they can be used as a pawn just to improve optics, because they aren't really addressing any of the actual problems or helping the kids that need it.

Langley and Herndon are both AP so the whole “we don’t want IB” argument doesn’t apply there. They just think it’s beneath them to send their kids to a school that’s over 5% FARMS.

There are close to 400 transfers out of Herndon high, many appear to be for South lakes ib.

Stupid to lie about something like that. It really hurts your credibility.

Based on the VA DOE stats for 23-24, only 57 South Lakes students are enrolled in IB:

South Lakes: 267 DE vs 13 AP vs 57 IB

If hundreds of students are transferring from Herndon to South Lakes for IB, shouldn't the South Lakes IB numbers be well into hundreds of students taking IB?

https://www.doe.virginia.gov/data-policy-funding/data-reports/program-participation-data/advanced-programs


Students using a transfer loophole such as AP or IB should be required to take a full course load of the program, not just a token 1 or 2 classes.

Somewhere the numbers are not making sense. Either your number of transfers is way off, or the data that FCPS submitted to Virginia is wrong

I wondered about that, as well. Is 57 the number in the diploma program or just an IB course. If only 57 are taking IB courses, that is not very many students, even if it is just juniors and seniors. That would mean that there would only be one English class for JUniors and one for Seniors? Makes no sense. Either that, or the classes would be only 20.

50 South Lakes students earned the diploma last year according to the state spreadsheet for 23/24.

Here are the FCPS IB numbers from 2023-24 posted on the Virginia Department of Education data.

Quite frankly, they are fairly abysmal for such an expensive program.

Mount Vernon: 14 IB diplomas awarded, 25 students participating in IB

Annandale: 54 IB diplomas awarded, 77 students participating in IB

Lewis: 10 IB diplomas awarded, 10 seniors participating in IB

Justice: 30 IB diplomas awarded, 100 seniors participating in IB

Edison: 45 IB diplomas awarded, 60 seniors participating in IB

Marshall: 68 IB diplomas awarded, 74 seniors participating in IB

Robinson: 109 IB diplomas awarded, 137 seniors participating in IB

South Lakes: 50 IB diplomas awarded, 57 seniors participating in IB

The AP schools have much higher participation rates, even when you factor in that the IB rates are only reported for seniors. AP participation is over 1000 for almost all of the AP schools.

You have to separate IB diploma from IB participation. IB participation is taking a la carte courses in the same vein as AP. I’d rather they drop IB and just go full AP, because most people aren’t using the program as it’s intended anyway. They want the AP model.

The state listed above are separated.

The state spreadsheet is senior (12th) grade IB participation rate, vs the IB diploma rate.

Even if you multiply the IB participation rate by 4 grades, IB participation is a lot less than the AP participation rate.

Robinson is the only exception.

Their IB participation rate is about the same as Lake Bradddock's AP participation rate.

IB needs to be eliminated in FCPS. The numbers don't lie.