FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

I mentioned a couple of pages back, all they’re going to do is crowd out more affordable housing as UMC families rent in their chosen pyramid.

And before the equity posters claim residency fraud, please also plan to discuss why renting a pied a terre would amount to fraud.

It's not fraud to rent an abode. It's fraud to claim it's your primary residence in order to send your kid to a school they aren't entitled to attend.

No it actually isn’t fraud. You haven’t laid out your elements. Seems like You are saying it’s fraud because you say so - read your circular logic.

And if a renter rents in a certain pyramid, they are 100% “entitled to attend” that pyramid. Sorry, I know that’s not the response you wanted.

This will be the way. And the only way around it would be to just zone affordable housing to the pyramid.

If you are registering a kid, you provide a residency attestation: "I certify that I am currently residing with my child(ren) in Fairfax County at [address]."

You also affirm that you understand that "providing false or otherwise untrue information for school enrollment purposes constitutes a Class 4 misdemeanor."

If you knowingly provide a false certification about where you are currently residing, you have engaged in fraud, as that term is generally understood, and are subject to being fined (and your kid is subject to being booted out of the school they shouldn't be attending).

FCPS only has one person working on residency.

FCPS isn't enforcing anything.

Wait - only ONE person?!? For all of FCPS??

FCPS = 183,000 students.

There is a near-zero chance of getting caught at that ratio.

I think the schools do it themselves. This was several years back but I was in our ES office and heard one of the employees making calls about residency questions. Two were even told their kids had to leave.

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

And that is why this thread is so ugly. You don't even see how insulting and terrible those words are.

+1. Disgusting

Uh, no. There's nothing "ugly" or "disgusting" about parents not wanting their rising sophomore or junior to be removed from their high school (and friends, clubs, and teams) in an AP pyramid to be forced to attend an IB school, when it really has nothing to do with capacity or transportation or "equitable access to programs", and everything to do with making that school look better on paper and saving FCPS from actually doing any real work to prevent the school from losing accreditation or help the students in need. What parent wants their child's life upended so they can be used as a pawn just to improve optics, because they aren't really addressing any of the actual problems or helping the kids that need it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am strongly against this redistricting.

It is illegal to claim a residence when you do not live there. I would not do that.

Actually, I wonder if some of this is trolling by SB shils to make those against the boundary change look bad.

I would in a heartbeat. If you are renting a unit, it’s very justifiable to claim residence there. You say it’s illegal, but just think about exhibit 1 in the hearing. It’s a legal valid rental agreement. Exhibit 2 are pictures of you inside the apartment flipping off the prosecutor. Exhibit 3 if your drivers license with that address, Etc.

Now, if you are somehow miraculously found to not reside there, then you’ll be subject to a fine of a couple hundred dollars. They can’t make your kids move if you continue to live there. It’s pretty foolproof.

Nobody should commit fraud, but this isn’t fraud, much as lots of folks want it to be. It’s just an arrangement where you split time between your old house and the pied a terre.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You all need to stop feeding the Gatehouse trolls and get focused on speaking to your communities. If they agree, write your delegate. If your delegate agrees with you, make sure the state it publicly, in writing. If the won’t, find 125 people who agree with you, and file some paperwork.

Fighting with the troll buried a decent strategy three pages back. That’s all they have. Ignore it. Use this space to share effective and productive ideas to be heard.

I suggested reaching out to your delegate to object to the current FCPS boundary review process currently in place. The current process does not allow for your voice to be heard. The current process should be paused. You can make that happen. Gatehouse does not want that. They want bury your voice. Do not waste space with an empty back and forth. Get organized and act now.

+1 This. Take your power back.

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

I mentioned a couple of pages back, all they’re going to do is crowd out more affordable housing as UMC families rent in their chosen pyramid.

And before the equity posters claim residency fraud, please also plan to discuss why renting a pied a terre would amount to fraud.

It's not fraud to rent an abode. It's fraud to claim it's your primary residence in order to send your kid to a school they aren't entitled to attend.

No it actually isn’t fraud. You haven’t laid out your elements. Seems like You are saying it’s fraud because you say so - read your circular logic.

And if a renter rents in a certain pyramid, they are 100% “entitled to attend” that pyramid. Sorry, I know that’s not the response you wanted.

This will be the way. And the only way around it would be to just zone affordable housing to the pyramid.

If you are registering a kid, you provide a residency attestation: "I certify that I am currently residing with my child(ren) in Fairfax County at [address]."

You also affirm that you understand that "providing false or otherwise untrue information for school enrollment purposes constitutes a Class 4 misdemeanor."

If you knowingly provide a false certification about where you are currently residing, you have engaged in fraud, as that term is generally understood, and are subject to being fined (and your kid is subject to being booted out of the school they shouldn't be attending).

FCPS only has one person working on residency.

FCPS isn't enforcing anything.

Wait - only ONE person?!? For all of FCPS??

FCPS = 183,000 students.

There is a near-zero chance of getting caught at that ratio.

I think the schools do it themselves. This was several years back but I was in our ES office and heard one of the employees making calls about residency questions. Two were even told their kids had to leave.

In the last boundary thread someone shared that they send out mass mail and the letters that bounce back serve a a starting point for who to investigate. Residency checks should be a standard form included with the beginning of every year stack of forms that goes out to each child.

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

I mentioned a couple of pages back, all they’re going to do is crowd out more affordable housing as UMC families rent in their chosen pyramid.

And before the equity posters claim residency fraud, please also plan to discuss why renting a pied a terre would amount to fraud.

It's not fraud to rent an abode. It's fraud to claim it's your primary residence in order to send your kid to a school they aren't entitled to attend.

No it actually isn’t fraud. You haven’t laid out your elements. Seems like You are saying it’s fraud because you say so - read your circular logic.

And if a renter rents in a certain pyramid, they are 100% “entitled to attend” that pyramid. Sorry, I know that’s not the response you wanted.

This will be the way. And the only way around it would be to just zone affordable housing to the pyramid.

If you are registering a kid, you provide a residency attestation: "I certify that I am currently residing with my child(ren) in Fairfax County at [address]."

You also affirm that you understand that "providing false or otherwise untrue information for school enrollment purposes constitutes a Class 4 misdemeanor."

If you knowingly provide a false certification about where you are currently residing, you have engaged in fraud, as that term is generally understood, and are subject to being fined (and your kid is subject to being booted out of the school they shouldn't be attending).

FCPS only has one person working on residency.

FCPS isn't enforcing anything.

Wait - only ONE person?!? For all of FCPS??

FCPS = 183,000 students.

There is a near-zero chance of getting caught at that ratio.

All they would have to do is introduce residency checks when moving schools (ES - MS and then MS - HS). They could probably even just get away with starting HS. When you first register a kid in FCPS, either when they start in K or when you move in to the district, you have to provide a proof of current address that shows your residency, to the people in the school front office at your school. If you had to do that again when starting middle and high, you could catch a lot of the residency cheaters. Not all because there would still be a lot of claims of “homeless students,” but a lot. Like all the people who come to Edison from PG County. They don’t even live in Virginia! I believe Arlington caught a lot of residency fakers this way recently.

Of course, this wouldn’t ensnare a renter in the pyramid.

No, but you’d get all the people who quietly moved to a big home in a less desirable pyramid 3 years ago, and the people using PO Boxes or business addresses. Most people aren’t going through the expense of renting an apartment to stay at whatever school.

I’d also have someone noting at pickup/dropoff which kids are coming in cars with MD or DC plates because it’s a lot if you’re in the eastern parts of the county. And maybe those kids get an extra look from the school to investigate where they’re really living.

The real reason they won’t look into residency more closely is because it’d end up identifying more residency fraud for lower SES families.

At our school (a non langley school that is frequently mentioned for boundary changes) the people who live out of boundary all have bigger houses.

It is not the lower SES families.

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

And that is why this thread is so ugly. You don't even see how insulting and terrible those words are.

+1. Disgusting

Uh, no. There's nothing "ugly" or "disgusting" about parents not wanting their rising sophomore or junior to be removed from their high school (and friends, clubs, and teams) in an AP pyramid to be forced to attend an IB school, when it really has nothing to do with capacity or transportation or "equitable access to programs", and everything to do with making that school look better on paper and saving FCPS from actually doing any real work to prevent the school from losing accreditation or help the students in need. What parent wants their child's life upended so they can be used as a pawn just to improve optics, because they aren't really addressing any of the actual problems or helping the kids that need it.

Langley and Herndon are both AP so the whole “we don’t want IB” argument doesn’t apply there. They just think it’s beneath them to send their kids to a school that’s over 5% FARMS.

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

And that is why this thread is so ugly. You don't even see how insulting and terrible those words are.

+1. Disgusting

Uh, no. There's nothing "ugly" or "disgusting" about parents not wanting their rising sophomore or junior to be removed from their high school (and friends, clubs, and teams) in an AP pyramid to be forced to attend an IB school, when it really has nothing to do with capacity or transportation or "equitable access to programs", and everything to do with making that school look better on paper and saving FCPS from actually doing any real work to prevent the school from losing accreditation or help the students in need. What parent wants their child's life upended so they can be used as a pawn just to improve optics, because they aren't really addressing any of the actual problems or helping the kids that need it.

Langley and Herndon are both AP so the whole “we don’t want IB” argument doesn’t apply there. They just think it’s beneath them to send their kids to a school that’s over 5% FARMS.

There are close to 400 transfers out of Herndon high, many appear to be for South lakes ib.

Stupid to lie about something like that. It really hurts your credibility.

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

I mentioned a couple of pages back, all they’re going to do is crowd out more affordable housing as UMC families rent in their chosen pyramid.

And before the equity posters claim residency fraud, please also plan to discuss why renting a pied a terre would amount to fraud.

It's not fraud to rent an abode. It's fraud to claim it's your primary residence in order to send your kid to a school they aren't entitled to attend.

No it actually isn’t fraud. You haven’t laid out your elements. Seems like You are saying it’s fraud because you say so - read your circular logic.

And if a renter rents in a certain pyramid, they are 100% “entitled to attend” that pyramid. Sorry, I know that’s not the response you wanted.

This will be the way. And the only way around it would be to just zone affordable housing to the pyramid.

If you are registering a kid, you provide a residency attestation: "I certify that I am currently residing with my child(ren) in Fairfax County at [address]."

You also affirm that you understand that "providing false or otherwise untrue information for school enrollment purposes constitutes a Class 4 misdemeanor."

If you knowingly provide a false certification about where you are currently residing, you have engaged in fraud, as that term is generally understood, and are subject to being fined (and your kid is subject to being booted out of the school they shouldn't be attending).

This is another reason why FCPS should do residency checks before moving kids. There are quite a large amount of kids who don’t live where they say they do. Some live in FCPS and go to schools they aren’t zoned in because they’ve moved since initial enrollment and never notified FCPS. Kids live in loudoun county, prince william, Maryland etc. FCPS isn’t chasing down kids who currently don’t live where they should to attend FCPS schools so why would they start now? Didn’t someone point out there is one person who confirms residency? If you rent an apartment and bring in the necessary documents i doubt they are chasing you down. Reid showed she didn’t care about residency fraud when she tried to brush the hayfield nonsense under the rug

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

And that is why this thread is so ugly. You don't even see how insulting and terrible those words are.

+1. Disgusting

Uh, no. There's nothing "ugly" or "disgusting" about parents not wanting their rising sophomore or junior to be removed from their high school (and friends, clubs, and teams) in an AP pyramid to be forced to attend an IB school, when it really has nothing to do with capacity or transportation or "equitable access to programs", and everything to do with making that school look better on paper and saving FCPS from actually doing any real work to prevent the school from losing accreditation or help the students in need. What parent wants their child's life upended so they can be used as a pawn just to improve optics, because they aren't really addressing any of the actual problems or helping the kids that need it.

Langley and Herndon are both AP so the whole “we don’t want IB” argument doesn’t apply there. They just think it’s beneath them to send their kids to a school that’s over 5% FARMS.

If 400 kids are pupil placing out of Herndon (a former PP said), then there is no room at Herndon if those 400 stay.

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

And that is why this thread is so ugly. You don't even see how insulting and terrible those words are.

+1. Disgusting

Uh, no. There's nothing "ugly" or "disgusting" about parents not wanting their rising sophomore or junior to be removed from their high school (and friends, clubs, and teams) in an AP pyramid to be forced to attend an IB school, when it really has nothing to do with capacity or transportation or "equitable access to programs", and everything to do with making that school look better on paper and saving FCPS from actually doing any real work to prevent the school from losing accreditation or help the students in need. What parent wants their child's life upended so they can be used as a pawn just to improve optics, because they aren't really addressing any of the actual problems or helping the kids that need it.

Langley and Herndon are both AP so the whole “we don’t want IB” argument doesn’t apply there. They just think it’s beneath them to send their kids to a school that’s over 5% FARMS.

If 400 kids are pupil placing out of Herndon (a former PP said), then there is no room at Herndon if those 400 stay.

This is 100% if they make kids go back to schools they are zoned to. Even if they don’t make those kids who pupil place out HMS doesn’t have room for another school to go there

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

And that is why this thread is so ugly. You don't even see how insulting and terrible those words are.

+1. Disgusting

Uh, no. There's nothing "ugly" or "disgusting" about parents not wanting their rising sophomore or junior to be removed from their high school (and friends, clubs, and teams) in an AP pyramid to be forced to attend an IB school, when it really has nothing to do with capacity or transportation or "equitable access to programs", and everything to do with making that school look better on paper and saving FCPS from actually doing any real work to prevent the school from losing accreditation or help the students in need. What parent wants their child's life upended so they can be used as a pawn just to improve optics, because they aren't really addressing any of the actual problems or helping the kids that need it.

Langley and Herndon are both AP so the whole “we don’t want IB” argument doesn’t apply there. They just think it’s beneath them to send their kids to a school that’s over 5% FARMS.

If 400 kids are pupil placing out of Herndon (a former PP said), then there is no room at Herndon if those 400 stay.

This is 100% if they make kids go back to schools they are zoned to. Even if they don’t make those kids who pupil place out HMS doesn’t have room for another school to go there

This will be even more true if they get rid of AAP centers. Kids at Herndon now go to Hughes for AAP. If they bring those kids back to HMS i imagine the school will be over 100% capacity without moving another elementary school over to the HHS pyramid

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

And that is why this thread is so ugly. You don't even see how insulting and terrible those words are.

+1. Disgusting

Uh, no. There's nothing "ugly" or "disgusting" about parents not wanting their rising sophomore or junior to be removed from their high school (and friends, clubs, and teams) in an AP pyramid to be forced to attend an IB school, when it really has nothing to do with capacity or transportation or "equitable access to programs", and everything to do with making that school look better on paper and saving FCPS from actually doing any real work to prevent the school from losing accreditation or help the students in need. What parent wants their child's life upended so they can be used as a pawn just to improve optics, because they aren't really addressing any of the actual problems or helping the kids that need it.

Langley and Herndon are both AP so the whole “we don’t want IB” argument doesn’t apply there. They just think it’s beneath them to send their kids to a school that’s over 5% FARMS.

If 400 kids are pupil placing out of Herndon (a former PP said), then there is no room at Herndon if those 400 stay.

This is 100% if they make kids go back to schools they are zoned to. Even if they don’t make those kids who pupil place out HMS doesn’t have room for another school to go there

I am pretty sure Lewis is similar. I'm not sure it would be up to full capacity, but I bet it would be very close if they brought back all the kids who pupil place out for various reasons and also do a residency check at the nearby schools.

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

And that is why this thread is so ugly. You don't even see how insulting and terrible those words are.

+1. Disgusting

Uh, no. There's nothing "ugly" or "disgusting" about parents not wanting their rising sophomore or junior to be removed from their high school (and friends, clubs, and teams) in an AP pyramid to be forced to attend an IB school, when it really has nothing to do with capacity or transportation or "equitable access to programs", and everything to do with making that school look better on paper and saving FCPS from actually doing any real work to prevent the school from losing accreditation or help the students in need. What parent wants their child's life upended so they can be used as a pawn just to improve optics, because they aren't really addressing any of the actual problems or helping the kids that need it.

Langley and Herndon are both AP so the whole “we don’t want IB” argument doesn’t apply there. They just think it’s beneath them to send their kids to a school that’s over 5% FARMS.

If 400 kids are pupil placing out of Herndon (a former PP said), then there is no room at Herndon if those 400 stay.

This is 100% if they make kids go back to schools they are zoned to. Even if they don’t make those kids who pupil place out HMS doesn’t have room for another school to go there

This will be even more true if they get rid of AAP centers. Kids at Herndon now go to Hughes for AAP. If they bring those kids back to HMS i imagine the school will be over 100% capacity without moving another elementary school over to the HHS pyramid

No need to imagine, the numbers are all available. Herndon MS currently has a capacity of 993, but in previous years had a program capacity of 1176. If all transfers were sent to their home school, HMS would be at 103% but if they increased the school back to its full capacity it’d be at 87%

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

And that is why this thread is so ugly. You don't even see how insulting and terrible those words are.

+1. Disgusting

Uh, no. There's nothing "ugly" or "disgusting" about parents not wanting their rising sophomore or junior to be removed from their high school (and friends, clubs, and teams) in an AP pyramid to be forced to attend an IB school, when it really has nothing to do with capacity or transportation or "equitable access to programs", and everything to do with making that school look better on paper and saving FCPS from actually doing any real work to prevent the school from losing accreditation or help the students in need. What parent wants their child's life upended so they can be used as a pawn just to improve optics, because they aren't really addressing any of the actual problems or helping the kids that need it.

Langley and Herndon are both AP so the whole “we don’t want IB” argument doesn’t apply there. They just think it’s beneath them to send their kids to a school that’s over 5% FARMS.

If 400 kids are pupil placing out of Herndon (a former PP said), then there is no room at Herndon if those 400 stay.

This is 100% if they make kids go back to schools they are zoned to. Even if they don’t make those kids who pupil place out HMS doesn’t have room for another school to go there

I am pretty sure Lewis is similar. I'm not sure it would be up to full capacity, but I bet it would be very close if they brought back all the kids who pupil place out for various reasons and also do a residency check at the nearby schools.

Step 1: allow liberal pupil placements from poor performing schools.

Step 2: complain about enrollment at said schools.

Step 3: implement disruptive boundary changes to make the catchment bigger for said schools.

I have no problem with Step 1 alone, but I have a huge problem with it when it contributes to the justification for step 3.

Shame on the school board.