Probationaries getting fired today

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Federal workers don’t do hardly anything that impact daily life the average person, At state level we have cops, fireman and teachers

dear god, this shows how powerful misinformation and poor education in civics can combine to create ignorance around things that should be widely known. I was just thinking this morning that the current maga rhetoric around federal workers reminds me of the "welfare queen" rhetoric of the 80s/90s. Lazy, entitled, a 'drain' on society, etc.

Just a small taste of what federal workers do. So when you wake up, the fact that you can count on knowing the time is thanks to NIST. THe water that you use to make your coffee? federal standards ensure its safe. Same with the food you make...not only tracking things like listeria and inspecting food production but also tons of research to be able to grow food while reducing disease. the electronics you use do not explore, hopefully, because they have had to pass rigorous safety standards, which of course puts restraints on industry that would love to just introduce things to the market without having to do all the safety tests. The morning medicine you take? not only had to pass rigorous safety testing, but may well have been developed via government funded research, NIH or elsewhere.
Same thing with the car that you might drive to work--again, cars are safer than ever due not only to federal regulations but also a lot of research at the federal level. And of course, while local and state entities maintain most roads, that bridge you cross is mostly likely part of federal infrastructure. Or maybe you take a train or a plane--ever heard of the FAA?
Okay, you make it to work, but first you have to stop for gas. Fortunately the FTC has fought against price fixing. But let's say you discover on your way to work credit card fraud. The fact that you are not responsible for the charges is not due to the kindness of the credit card company, its due to the CFPB. Now you get to work. Your boss is a real jerk, but even so, they can't lock you in or steal wages or prevent you from taking mandated breaks. Hey, you just heard about that measles outbreak in Texas and are worried about your kid? Well, the NIH and CDC used to be able to do something about things like that. Who knows now, maybe your 9 month old will just have to risk it until they can get the vaccine--that is, if its still allowed. After work, you think about checking out that exhibit at the Smithsonian (also government funded), but on your way you hear about a terrible flood where your aunt Myrtle lives, fortunately FEMA is helping out, and you check the weather (thanks NOAA) and see that the rains are supposed to abate. While every one is worried about the dam breaking, fortunately the army corps of engineers has recently been inspecting that dam so its not going to break. Its sad, Myrtle's been lonely lately, since her son is in the marine corps, protecting American interests overseas. After his tour of duty is over, he plans to join law enforcement, maybe the FBI, with a focus on preventing human trafficking.

Look, I could go on and on but the point is that this country depends on federal government to provide oversight, regulation, and all kinds of services for the public good in ways that go far beyond all this and that have made the United States a leader in science technology health etc. Now, the institutions are being decimated for ideological reasons, and those in power are reallly only interested in grift and suppressing democratic values because it threatens their stranglehold on power.

Love this. Thank you!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Federal workers don’t do hardly anything that impact daily life the average person, At state level we have cops, fireman and teachers

dear god, this shows how powerful misinformation and poor education in civics can combine to create ignorance around things that should be widely known. I was just thinking this morning that the current maga rhetoric around federal workers reminds me of the "welfare queen" rhetoric of the 80s/90s. Lazy, entitled, a 'drain' on society, etc.

Just a small taste of what federal workers do. So when you wake up, the fact that you can count on knowing the time is thanks to NIST. THe water that you use to make your coffee? federal standards ensure its safe. Same with the food you make...not only tracking things like listeria and inspecting food production but also tons of research to be able to grow food while reducing disease. the electronics you use do not explore, hopefully, because they have had to pass rigorous safety standards, which of course puts restraints on industry that would love to just introduce things to the market without having to do all the safety tests. The morning medicine you take? not only had to pass rigorous safety testing, but may well have been developed via government funded research, NIH or elsewhere.
Same thing with the car that you might drive to work--again, cars are safer than ever due not only to federal regulations but also a lot of research at the federal level. And of course, while local and state entities maintain most roads, that bridge you cross is mostly likely part of federal infrastructure. Or maybe you take a train or a plane--ever heard of the FAA?
Okay, you make it to work, but first you have to stop for gas. Fortunately the FTC has fought against price fixing. But let's say you discover on your way to work credit card fraud. The fact that you are not responsible for the charges is not due to the kindness of the credit card company, its due to the CFPB. Now you get to work. Your boss is a real jerk, but even so, they can't lock you in or steal wages or prevent you from taking mandated breaks. Hey, you just heard about that measles outbreak in Texas and are worried about your kid? Well, the NIH and CDC used to be able to do something about things like that. Who knows now, maybe your 9 month old will just have to risk it until they can get the vaccine--that is, if its still allowed. After work, you think about checking out that exhibit at the Smithsonian (also government funded), but on your way you hear about a terrible flood where your aunt Myrtle lives, fortunately FEMA is helping out, and you check the weather (thanks NOAA) and see that the rains are supposed to abate. While every one is worried about the dam breaking, fortunately the army corps of engineers has recently been inspecting that dam so its not going to break. Its sad, Myrtle's been lonely lately, since her son is in the marine corps, protecting American interests overseas. After his tour of duty is over, he plans to join law enforcement, maybe the FBI, with a focus on preventing human trafficking.

Look, I could go on and on but the point is that this country depends on federal government to provide oversight, regulation, and all kinds of services for the public good in ways that go far beyond all this and that have made the United States a leader in science technology health etc. Now, the institutions are being decimated for ideological reasons, and those in power are reallly only interested in grift and suppressing democratic values because it threatens their stranglehold on power.

It’s admirable you took the time to write this but why try to talk sense to obvious trolls?

[Anonymous]

DOJ actually sends a lot of grant money to state and local law enforcement agencies. Please see the Byrne JAG program.

[Anonymous]

As a prior disaster victim ROFL that FEMA is there to help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a prior disaster victim ROFL that FEMA is there to help.

My ILs have received help from FEMA after a disaster. But don't worry, PP, now everyone will have your experience rather than my ILs'. Problem solved.

[Anonymous]

dear god, this shows how powerful misinformation and poor education in civics can combine to create ignorance around things that should be widely known. I was just thinking this morning that the current maga rhetoric around federal workers reminds me of the "welfare queen" rhetoric of the 80s/90s. Lazy, entitled, a 'drain' on society, etc.

Just a small taste of what federal workers do. So when you wake up, the fact that you can count on knowing the time is thanks to NIST. THe water that you use to make your coffee? federal standards ensure its safe. Same with the food you make...not only tracking things like listeria and inspecting food production but also tons of research to be able to grow food while reducing disease. the electronics you use do not explore, hopefully, because they have had to pass rigorous safety standards, which of course puts restraints on industry that would love to just introduce things to the market without having to do all the safety tests. The morning medicine you take? not only had to pass rigorous safety testing, but may well have been developed via government funded research, NIH or elsewhere.
Same thing with the car that you might drive to work--again, cars are safer than ever due not only to federal regulations but also a lot of research at the federal level. And of course, while local and state entities maintain most roads, that bridge you cross is mostly likely part of federal infrastructure. Or maybe you take a train or a plane--ever heard of the FAA?
Okay, you make it to work, but first you have to stop for gas. Fortunately the FTC has fought against price fixing. But let's say you discover on your way to work credit card fraud. The fact that you are not responsible for the charges is not due to the kindness of the credit card company, its due to the CFPB. Now you get to work. Your boss is a real jerk, but even so, they can't lock you in or steal wages or prevent you from taking mandated breaks. Hey, you just heard about that measles outbreak in Texas and are worried about your kid? Well, the NIH and CDC used to be able to do something about things like that. Who knows now, maybe your 9 month old will just have to risk it until they can get the vaccine--that is, if its still allowed. After work, you think about checking out that exhibit at the Smithsonian (also government funded), but on your way you hear about a terrible flood where your aunt Myrtle lives, fortunately FEMA is helping out, and you check the weather (thanks NOAA) and see that the rains are supposed to abate. While every one is worried about the dam breaking, fortunately the army corps of engineers has recently been inspecting that dam so its not going to break. Its sad, Myrtle's been lonely lately, since her son is in the marine corps, protecting American interests overseas. After his tour of duty is over, he plans to join law enforcement, maybe the FBI, with a focus on preventing human trafficking.

Look, I could go on and on but the point is that this country depends on federal government to provide oversight, regulation, and all kinds of services for the public good in ways that go far beyond all this and that have made the United States a leader in science technology health etc. Now, the institutions are being decimated for ideological reasons, and those in power are reallly only interested in grift and suppressing democratic values because it threatens their stranglehold on power.

It’s admirable you took the time to write this but why try to talk sense to obvious trolls?

maybe i responded to a troll but I've had a number of conversations with people lately that go along the lines of "how terrible whats happening to federal workers. I mean, I am not on medicaid/social security, so i am not affected but....". I think people have no idea of the range of work that the federal government takes on and why it matters. So maybe I'm wasting my time, but maybe it will provide some people here with talking points when they have conversations with family, etc.

[Anonymous]

Unfortunately, much of what the US government does is about long-range impacts. People will claim they aren’t affected by federal firings, because they wake up tomorrow and feel the same. Time will pass and the effects will become more obvious, but by then it will be too late.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Federal workers don’t do hardly anything that impact daily life the average person, At state level we have cops, fireman and teachers

dear god, this shows how powerful misinformation and poor education in civics can combine to create ignorance around things that should be widely known. I was just thinking this morning that the current maga rhetoric around federal workers reminds me of the "welfare queen" rhetoric of the 80s/90s. Lazy, entitled, a 'drain' on society, etc.

Just a small taste of what federal workers do. So when you wake up, the fact that you can count on knowing the time is thanks to NIST. THe water that you use to make your coffee? federal standards ensure its safe. Same with the food you make...not only tracking things like listeria and inspecting food production but also tons of research to be able to grow food while reducing disease. the electronics you use do not explore, hopefully, because they have had to pass rigorous safety standards, which of course puts restraints on industry that would love to just introduce things to the market without having to do all the safety tests. The morning medicine you take? not only had to pass rigorous safety testing, but may well have been developed via government funded research, NIH or elsewhere.
Same thing with the car that you might drive to work--again, cars are safer than ever due not only to federal regulations but also a lot of research at the federal level. And of course, while local and state entities maintain most roads, that bridge you cross is mostly likely part of federal infrastructure. Or maybe you take a train or a plane--ever heard of the FAA?
Okay, you make it to work, but first you have to stop for gas. Fortunately the FTC has fought against price fixing. But let's say you discover on your way to work credit card fraud. The fact that you are not responsible for the charges is not due to the kindness of the credit card company, its due to the CFPB. Now you get to work. Your boss is a real jerk, but even so, they can't lock you in or steal wages or prevent you from taking mandated breaks. Hey, you just heard about that measles outbreak in Texas and are worried about your kid? Well, the NIH and CDC used to be able to do something about things like that. Who knows now, maybe your 9 month old will just have to risk it until they can get the vaccine--that is, if its still allowed. After work, you think about checking out that exhibit at the Smithsonian (also government funded), but on your way you hear about a terrible flood where your aunt Myrtle lives, fortunately FEMA is helping out, and you check the weather (thanks NOAA) and see that the rains are supposed to abate. While every one is worried about the dam breaking, fortunately the army corps of engineers has recently been inspecting that dam so its not going to break. Its sad, Myrtle's been lonely lately, since her son is in the marine corps, protecting American interests overseas. After his tour of duty is over, he plans to join law enforcement, maybe the FBI, with a focus on preventing human trafficking.

Look, I could go on and on but the point is that this country depends on federal government to provide oversight, regulation, and all kinds of services for the public good in ways that go far beyond all this and that have made the United States a leader in science technology health etc. Now, the institutions are being decimated for ideological reasons, and those in power are reallly only interested in grift and suppressing democratic values because it threatens their stranglehold on power.

Thank you for writing this out in such detail. I am on your side. Truly, really.

But this is a strawman argument. The argument is never about completely eliminating regulation and oversight.

What the opposing side is arguing is that there is too much regulation and too much waste.

How much regulation is too much can be something reasonable people can disagree in a civil way. That there is waste in many programs is by far the general consensus, even among Federal workers (by my possibly inaccurate anecdotes).

If we want to win this fight, we need to understand the other team - Trump and Musk.

What do they care about? What they most fear and respect?

It is public opinion. By far.

And public opinion is not in our favor.

And we cannot gain public favor by insulting the moderates, both in MAGA and in independents. We cannot say you guys don't understand, you are too uneducated to know all the important work I am doing, etc.

We need to acknowledge that previous administration pushed some policies (DEI, etc.) that have nothing to do with us Federal workers who are just implementing what was pushed on us. We need to gain the confidence of the majority of Americans.

Then and only then would Trump and Musk stop pushing against Federal employees. Whatever you might say about them, they are highly intune with pubic sentiment and they change on a dime to align with that.

If each of the Fed employees (all 2 million of us) can convert 2 people to believe in our work, that would be enough to stop this carnage. Yes courts and congress need to be pursued but this is a track we must also pursue.

Having a million Fed employee march is not going to be helpful. In fact, that would be taken as proof that what they are doing is working and they would double down on the current path.

Love you all! Good luck!

[Anonymous]

Federal employment as a percentage of population and even in the total numbers has been drooping. All this talk about waste is basically a red herring. Federal jobs have always been a bit of a prop for vets, etc. while also doing necessary things for country to function.

We should not look for efficiency in federal government. We need resilience and effectiveness, private sector showed us that focus on efficiency opens us up to failures if disaster strikes like covid or something similar.

It is laughable and stupid that Dogetards are not even aware that this should be the focus and instead are bleating about "savings" and efficiency and waste. All while posting complete nonsense on their website. They freaking mistook 8M for 8B in "savings", literally showed how big their brains are!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Federal employment as a percentage of population and even in the total numbers has been drooping. All this talk about waste is basically a red herring. Federal jobs have always been a bit of a prop for vets, etc. while also doing necessary things for country to function.

We should not look for efficiency in federal government. We need resilience and effectiveness, private sector showed us that focus on efficiency opens us up to failures if disaster strikes like covid or something similar.

It is laughable and stupid that Dogetards are not even aware that this should be the focus and instead are bleating about "savings" and efficiency and waste. All while posting complete nonsense on their website. They freaking mistook 8M for 8B in "savings", literally showed how big their brains are!

It is not just Fed employment. It is about how much fraud there is in Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Disability Insurance, Covid Funds, etc.

Your view conflicts with how the majority of the American people think and believe.

You can say, well they are stupid and ignorant. We wont get sympathy with that attitude. And we need that sympathy.

[Anonymous]

What Trump and Musk are doing is proving popular with a majority of Americans. That is a dangerous position to be in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Federal employment as a percentage of population and even in the total numbers has been drooping. All this talk about waste is basically a red herring. Federal jobs have always been a bit of a prop for vets, etc. while also doing necessary things for country to function.

We should not look for efficiency in federal government. We need resilience and effectiveness, private sector showed us that focus on efficiency opens us up to failures if disaster strikes like covid or something similar.

It is laughable and stupid that Dogetards are not even aware that this should be the focus and instead are bleating about "savings" and efficiency and waste. All while posting complete nonsense on their website. They freaking mistook 8M for 8B in "savings", literally showed how big their brains are!

It is not just Fed employment. It is about how much fraud there is in Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Disability Insurance, Covid Funds, etc.

Your view conflicts with how the majority of the American people think and believe.

You can say, well they are stupid and ignorant. We wont get sympathy with that attitude. And we need that sympathy.

But with that argument in order to investigate fraud you need more employees and more regulations unless the whole goal is to get rid of those programs across the board.

[Anonymous]

Democrats themselves are coming with numbers like $250 billion in fraud in Govt expenditures. We cannot say, that is not so bad, compared to all the good we are doing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Federal employment as a percentage of population and even in the total numbers has been drooping. All this talk about waste is basically a red herring. Federal jobs have always been a bit of a prop for vets, etc. while also doing necessary things for country to function.

We should not look for efficiency in federal government. We need resilience and effectiveness, private sector showed us that focus on efficiency opens us up to failures if disaster strikes like covid or something similar.

It is laughable and stupid that Dogetards are not even aware that this should be the focus and instead are bleating about "savings" and efficiency and waste. All while posting complete nonsense on their website. They freaking mistook 8M for 8B in "savings", literally showed how big their brains are!

It is not just Fed employment. It is about how much fraud there is in Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Disability Insurance, Covid Funds, etc.

Your view conflicts with how the majority of the American people think and believe.

You can say, well they are stupid and ignorant. We wont get sympathy with that attitude. And we need that sympathy.

But with that argument in order to investigate fraud you need more employees and more regulations unless the whole goal is to get rid of those programs across the board.

The answer to every problem cannot be "I need more money, I need to hire more people".

A case can be made that regulations can be simplified and streamlined so we don't need as many people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Federal employment as a percentage of population and even in the total numbers has been drooping. All this talk about waste is basically a red herring. Federal jobs have always been a bit of a prop for vets, etc. while also doing necessary things for country to function.

We should not look for efficiency in federal government. We need resilience and effectiveness, private sector showed us that focus on efficiency opens us up to failures if disaster strikes like covid or something similar.

It is laughable and stupid that Dogetards are not even aware that this should be the focus and instead are bleating about "savings" and efficiency and waste. All while posting complete nonsense on their website. They freaking mistook 8M for 8B in "savings", literally showed how big their brains are!

It is not just Fed employment. It is about how much fraud there is in Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Disability Insurance, Covid Funds, etc.

Your view conflicts with how the majority of the American people think and believe.

You can say, well they are stupid and ignorant. We wont get sympathy with that attitude. And we need that sympathy.

But with that argument in order to investigate fraud you need more employees and more regulations unless the whole goal is to get rid of those programs across the board.

The answer to every problem cannot be "I need more money, I need to hire more people".

A case can be made that regulations can be simplified and streamlined so we don't need as many people.

We used to have more federal employees. And we used to have fewer planes crash into each other.

We should fire more FAA employees. Because.