Palisades Fire - Los Angeles

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Anonymous wrote:Adam Brody and Leighton Meester lost their home. I guess I don't worry too much about wealthy celebrities who can always rebuild or buy elsewhere, but it must be a little traumatizing to lose your home. Hope people are being evacuated safely, and the regular folks will be able to recover from the massive financial hit.

Who are they?

Crawl out from under your rock

I'm genuinely sorry these people lost their homes. But they are not as famous as you think they are.

NP. Between The OC & Gossip Girl, they're pretty damn famous. But also, Nobody Wants This got a lot of attention this year and Adam got nominated for a Golden Globe at the ceremony that just happened. Between their historic fame and his hot at the moment fame, it is pretty surprising you don't know who they are.

+1

And I've never watched a single episode of The OC or Gossip Girl but I still know who they are.

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Anonymous wrote:Adam Brody and Leighton Meester lost their home. I guess I don't worry too much about wealthy celebrities who can always rebuild or buy elsewhere, but it must be a little traumatizing to lose your home. Hope people are being evacuated safely, and the regular folks will be able to recover from the massive financial hit.

A little? You think it would be A LITTLE traumatizing to lose your home? Obviously wealthy people will be much better able to handle the situation, but being rich doesn't make you immune to the pain of losing your belongings. Idiot.

Let’s not overlook that there IS some element of karma at work here, with many of these incredibly wealthy people losing their homes to climate change. Climate change that they themselves contributed to far and away more than the average person. Private jet travel, massive homes, lifestyles that consume far more resources than the average person. The carbon footprint of the typical celebrity is probably bigger than the sum total of your entire extended family.

This is karma, catching up with them. Let’s not pretend it isn’t.

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Anonymous wrote:Question from somebody who hasn't had to evacuate - when do you decide to go? My impulse would be to just leave now if I was anywhere near, but I can understand it requires a place to stay, missing work, etc. Do you wait for the order? or go sooner if you can?

I am pp who has been through it three times. We have a system that warns us to prepare to evacuate, and we all are watching location, wind speed/direction, and of course literally watching, communicating with neighbors, and paying attention to our guts. I want to be out before the order so that there is no chance of being stuck in gridlock.

Coordinating with neighbors is a must. We have some teens on the block that aren’t old enough to drive. There are plans A, B, and C for them to get out. We all have keys or codes for multiple neighbors and we know who has which pets. We have a couple of elderly neighbors that are pretty fit but we have designated people to make sure they are ok and help them if needed. We let each other know when we’re going out of town, etc.

Curious, PP: Why do you keep living in such a fire-prone area? Why not move away to a safer place?

If you haven't lived there you don't understand.

Why not ask the people who live in tornado alley? Those places have few redeeming qualities and yet people live there. California has beaches, mountains, deserts, amazing weather, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Question from somebody who hasn't had to evacuate - when do you decide to go? My impulse would be to just leave now if I was anywhere near, but I can understand it requires a place to stay, missing work, etc. Do you wait for the order? or go sooner if you can?

I am pp who has been through it three times. We have a system that warns us to prepare to evacuate, and we all are watching location, wind speed/direction, and of course literally watching, communicating with neighbors, and paying attention to our guts. I want to be out before the order so that there is no chance of being stuck in gridlock.

Coordinating with neighbors is a must. We have some teens on the block that aren’t old enough to drive. There are plans A, B, and C for them to get out. We all have keys or codes for multiple neighbors and we know who has which pets. We have a couple of elderly neighbors that are pretty fit but we have designated people to make sure they are ok and help them if needed. We let each other know when we’re going out of town, etc.

Curious, PP: Why do you keep living in such a fire-prone area? Why not move away to a safer place?

If you haven't lived there you don't understand.

Why not ask the people who live in tornado alley? Those places have few redeeming qualities and yet people live there. California has beaches, mountains, deserts, amazing weather, etc.

if people want to go back and rebuild there they should know they won't have insurance and nobody will help them rebuild when the next fire comes. Caveat emptor. That is if they will be allowed. I think CA will make it impossible for some to rebuild as it was before. Those ocean view Malibu bluff homes won't be rebuilt, that's for sure.

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Anonymous wrote:Question from somebody who hasn't had to evacuate - when do you decide to go? My impulse would be to just leave now if I was anywhere near, but I can understand it requires a place to stay, missing work, etc. Do you wait for the order? or go sooner if you can?

I am pp who has been through it three times. We have a system that warns us to prepare to evacuate, and we all are watching location, wind speed/direction, and of course literally watching, communicating with neighbors, and paying attention to our guts. I want to be out before the order so that there is no chance of being stuck in gridlock.

Coordinating with neighbors is a must. We have some teens on the block that aren’t old enough to drive. There are plans A, B, and C for them to get out. We all have keys or codes for multiple neighbors and we know who has which pets. We have a couple of elderly neighbors that are pretty fit but we have designated people to make sure they are ok and help them if needed. We let each other know when we’re going out of town, etc.

Curious, PP: Why do you keep living in such a fire-prone area? Why not move away to a safer place?

If you haven't lived there you don't understand.

Why not ask the people who live in tornado alley? Those places have few redeeming qualities and yet people live there. California has beaches, mountains, deserts, amazing weather, etc.

if people want to go back and rebuild there they should know they won't have insurance and nobody will help them rebuild when the next fire comes. Caveat emptor. That is if they will be allowed. I think CA will make it impossible for some to rebuild as it was before. Those ocean view Malibu bluff homes won't be rebuilt, that's for sure.

They already know about the insurance situation since they have been dealing with it. I never get lesson givers with zero personal experience thinking they know better.

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Anonymous wrote:Californian here. I think some of the posters here perhaps don’t really understand what it’s like to be in a Santa Ana wind. I saw a video on Twitter that gives a sense of what it’s like in the fires with Santa Ana winds.

Agreed. Nor have they ever witnessed a fire like this in real life. I've been in multiple natural disasters and fire is the scariest of all of them.

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Anonymous wrote:Question from somebody who hasn't had to evacuate - when do you decide to go? My impulse would be to just leave now if I was anywhere near, but I can understand it requires a place to stay, missing work, etc. Do you wait for the order? or go sooner if you can?

I am pp who has been through it three times. We have a system that warns us to prepare to evacuate, and we all are watching location, wind speed/direction, and of course literally watching, communicating with neighbors, and paying attention to our guts. I want to be out before the order so that there is no chance of being stuck in gridlock.

Coordinating with neighbors is a must. We have some teens on the block that aren’t old enough to drive. There are plans A, B, and C for them to get out. We all have keys or codes for multiple neighbors and we know who has which pets. We have a couple of elderly neighbors that are pretty fit but we have designated people to make sure they are ok and help them if needed. We let each other know when we’re going out of town, etc.

Curious, PP: Why do you keep living in such a fire-prone area? Why not move away to a safer place?

If you haven't lived there you don't understand.

Why not ask the people who live in tornado alley? Those places have few redeeming qualities and yet people live there. California has beaches, mountains, deserts, amazing weather, etc.

if people want to go back and rebuild there they should know they won't have insurance and nobody will help them rebuild when the next fire comes. Caveat emptor. That is if they will be allowed. I think CA will make it impossible for some to rebuild as it was before. Those ocean view Malibu bluff homes won't be rebuilt, that's for sure.

They already know about the insurance situation since they have been dealing with it. I never get lesson givers with zero personal experience thinking they know better.

Why do you presume people have no experience?

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Anonymous wrote:Adam Brody and Leighton Meester lost their home. I guess I don't worry too much about wealthy celebrities who can always rebuild or buy elsewhere, but it must be a little traumatizing to lose your home. Hope people are being evacuated safely, and the regular folks will be able to recover from the massive financial hit.

A little? You think it would be A LITTLE traumatizing to lose your home? Obviously wealthy people will be much better able to handle the situation, but being rich doesn't make you immune to the pain of losing your belongings. Idiot.

Let’s not overlook that there IS some element of karma at work here, with many of these incredibly wealthy people losing their homes to climate change. Climate change that they themselves contributed to far and away more than the average person. Private jet travel, massive homes, lifestyles that consume far more resources than the average person. The carbon footprint of the typical celebrity is probably bigger than the sum total of your entire extended family.

This is karma, catching up with them. Let’s not pretend it isn’t.

That's just what horrible people (you) tell themselves to justify their gleeful shadenfreude. Many of these people are actually poor. In Altadena especially many are much older people, working class, who have nowhere else to go.

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Anonymous wrote:Adam Brody and Leighton Meester lost their home. I guess I don't worry too much about wealthy celebrities who can always rebuild or buy elsewhere, but it must be a little traumatizing to lose your home. Hope people are being evacuated safely, and the regular folks will be able to recover from the massive financial hit.

A little? You think it would be A LITTLE traumatizing to lose your home? Obviously wealthy people will be much better able to handle the situation, but being rich doesn't make you immune to the pain of losing your belongings. Idiot.

Let’s not overlook that there IS some element of karma at work here, with many of these incredibly wealthy people losing their homes to climate change. Climate change that they themselves contributed to far and away more than the average person. Private jet travel, massive homes, lifestyles that consume far more resources than the average person. The carbon footprint of the typical celebrity is probably bigger than the sum total of your entire extended family.

This is karma, catching up with them. Let’s not pretend it isn’t.

This is really gross.

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Anonymous wrote:Question from somebody who hasn't had to evacuate - when do you decide to go? My impulse would be to just leave now if I was anywhere near, but I can understand it requires a place to stay, missing work, etc. Do you wait for the order? or go sooner if you can?

I am pp who has been through it three times. We have a system that warns us to prepare to evacuate, and we all are watching location, wind speed/direction, and of course literally watching, communicating with neighbors, and paying attention to our guts. I want to be out before the order so that there is no chance of being stuck in gridlock.

Coordinating with neighbors is a must. We have some teens on the block that aren’t old enough to drive. There are plans A, B, and C for them to get out. We all have keys or codes for multiple neighbors and we know who has which pets. We have a couple of elderly neighbors that are pretty fit but we have designated people to make sure they are ok and help them if needed. We let each other know when we’re going out of town, etc.

Curious, PP: Why do you keep living in such a fire-prone area? Why not move away to a safer place?

If you haven't lived there you don't understand.

Why not ask the people who live in tornado alley? Those places have few redeeming qualities and yet people live there. California has beaches, mountains, deserts, amazing weather, etc.

if people want to go back and rebuild there they should know they won't have insurance and nobody will help them rebuild when the next fire comes. Caveat emptor. That is if they will be allowed. I think CA will make it impossible for some to rebuild as it was before. Those ocean view Malibu bluff homes won't be rebuilt, that's for sure.

They already know about the insurance situation since they have been dealing with it. I never get lesson givers with zero personal experience thinking they know better.

Why do you presume people have no experience?

Because you just asserted that people in LA have no clue about insurance. Anyone in a natural disaster area is very aware of the insurance situation.

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Anonymous wrote:Question from somebody who hasn't had to evacuate - when do you decide to go? My impulse would be to just leave now if I was anywhere near, but I can understand it requires a place to stay, missing work, etc. Do you wait for the order? or go sooner if you can?

I am pp who has been through it three times. We have a system that warns us to prepare to evacuate, and we all are watching location, wind speed/direction, and of course literally watching, communicating with neighbors, and paying attention to our guts. I want to be out before the order so that there is no chance of being stuck in gridlock.

Coordinating with neighbors is a must. We have some teens on the block that aren’t old enough to drive. There are plans A, B, and C for them to get out. We all have keys or codes for multiple neighbors and we know who has which pets. We have a couple of elderly neighbors that are pretty fit but we have designated people to make sure they are ok and help them if needed. We let each other know when we’re going out of town, etc.

Curious, PP: Why do you keep living in such a fire-prone area? Why not move away to a safer place?

If you haven't lived there you don't understand.

Why not ask the people who live in tornado alley? Those places have few redeeming qualities and yet people live there. California has beaches, mountains, deserts, amazing weather, etc.

if people want to go back and rebuild there they should know they won't have insurance and nobody will help them rebuild when the next fire comes. Caveat emptor. That is if they will be allowed. I think CA will make it impossible for some to rebuild as it was before. Those ocean view Malibu bluff homes won't be rebuilt, that's for sure.

They already know about the insurance situation since they have been dealing with it. I never get lesson givers with zero personal experience thinking they know better.

Why do you presume people have no experience?

Because you just asserted that people in LA have no clue about insurance. Anyone in a natural disaster area is very aware of the insurance situation.

Yet they did nothing. It should have been a signal to sell, not hope and pray for the best.

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Anonymous wrote:I grew up in a canyon very close by. My childhood home, where my mother has lived for 50 years and just moved out of a few years ago (we are renting it), has been in the evacuation zone multiple times. I really wanted to sell the property in 2021 because of the fire risk but my sibling would not agree. Fire insurance alone is 10k/year. Its nuts.

The palisades fire is a monster. It is moving unbelievably fast. so many icons of growing up there--the old malibu and topanga canyon places (the reef inn, the feed store) have gone up in flames. My stepsister is in santa monica ,on the edge of the evacuation zone. My stepmother's home (she has several) is smack in the middle of the palisades too. no idea what is happening there. I just heard about a friend of a friend's daughter who lost both her childhood homes--divorced parents, each lost their home. I know that I will hear about more losses.

The high school is gone. Its been around forever, and was a major school for so many areas (including where I grew up)--poof. Where will the kids go? Such disruptions have huge ripple effects, for years, on kids.

Rebuilding will happen, but slowly, painfully, not entirely. And lots of people will move-- north, and east and elsewhere, because as much as california is a dream, it is also a nightmare. I love the state with all my heart and its heartbreaking.

I know a billionaire who has a second home there who was posting on IG and was on the news to discuss. Will be interesting to see if she and all the movie stars help others less fortunate.

I think we all know they won't. At least not on a large scale.

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Anonymous wrote:I do think it’s related to global warming (drought + higher temps longer)
I’m very surprised they didn’t or haven’t brought in federal forest fire crews sooner. Why not bring in national guard or military to truck in water?

Seems eerily similar to what happened in Hawaii.

Yes, fires like this occurring in January is related to a hotter planet. And we should expect to see more and more incidents like this in the coming years and decades.

I posted above a link to John Vallaint's "Fire Weather" which talks about the Fort McMurray fire but also provides a lot of insight into the complexity of fires like these which are essentially wildfires occurring in urban areas. Fires like this make their own weather, and fighting them is extremely complicated. In many instances, things that seem like they make sense to seasoned firefighters can have unexpected and counterintuitive effects. And almost no one has expertise in fighting these fires. Nothing about fighting them is simple or straightforward, and they move an unimaginable speeds, changing course unpredictably.

There will surely be years and decades of analysis into what happened and what went wrong. It will probably be possible to point to pretty much anyone with a modicum of power and blame them for something. But in reality, the world's climate is changing very fast, and we are unprepared for the consequences.

California has always had a volatile climate including years long droughts. The difference is that now we’ve put millions of people in to an entire that is literally adapted to deal with frequent fires (chaparral). It is irresponsible for people to ascribe these fires to climate change. https://www.mercurynews.com/2014/01/25/california-drought-past-dry-periods-have-lasted-more-than-200-years-scientists-say/amp/

It's easier to whip out the climate change card than practice forest management and clearing dead underbrush and trees like many countries do. We prefer to lecture from a keyboatd while mischarging our employer for the time spent doing it and claiming it as "work".

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, these fires didn’t magically happen. Someone dropped a cigarette somewhere or was grilling or burning something somewhere. Yes, the winds carried the embers across a dry area, but the fires started thanks to a human.

When they rebuild, they’ll need to enact fireproof legislation impacting structures, vegetation, smoking, etc. Density is an obvious culprit along with the weather (winds and drought). They can’t control the weather, so they need to attempt to better control the other variables.

It could be caused by many things - a piece of glass, a back firing truck, lightning, landscaping equipment, smouldering compost. There were wildfires before humans existed.

Sure.

But the fire chief/experts have said 95+% of all CA wildfires are traced back to a person sparking them.

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Anonymous wrote:Adam Brody and Leighton Meester lost their home. I guess I don't worry too much about wealthy celebrities who can always rebuild or buy elsewhere, but it must be a little traumatizing to lose your home. Hope people are being evacuated safely, and the regular folks will be able to recover from the massive financial hit.

A little? You think it would be A LITTLE traumatizing to lose your home? Obviously wealthy people will be much better able to handle the situation, but being rich doesn't make you immune to the pain of losing your belongings. Idiot.

Let’s not overlook that there IS some element of karma at work here, with many of these incredibly wealthy people losing their homes to climate change. Climate change that they themselves contributed to far and away more than the average person. Private jet travel, massive homes, lifestyles that consume far more resources than the average person. The carbon footprint of the typical celebrity is probably bigger than the sum total of your entire extended family.

This is karma, catching up with them. Let’s not pretend it isn’t.

Uh, speaking of karma...