Gen Xers - Do you find Taylor Swift’s music bland?

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Anonymous wrote:Gen X women think hating Taylor Swift is a personality and I will never understand

One of the Gen X PPs here to clarify that I only am neutral/meh about Taylor. Now her fans…

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I have not posted much in the thread but I don't actually have strong feelings about Swift as a person. Like others I have tried to get into her music because she seems to be the biggest thing going, but it just never clicks with me. I do like singer-songwriters like Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo so I don't think it's purely a generational thing.

But reading through the thread I am reminded that I find diehard Swifties really annoying. They take any critique of Swift so personally. I don't get it. I think there is a lot of over identification with her as a personal avatar and it's not healthy. She's just an artist and celeb.

Actually, I don’t really care whether people like her or not. I understand she is not everyone’s cup of tea. I think people mainly take issue with the criticisms that come from generalizations or ignorance, or even a dismissal of her themes as unimportant because they appeal to young women as though that is a bad thing. There’s a deeper body of work there underneath the radio hits. I understand not everyone has the time or willingness to listen to them. But many people still speak before they know.

Yep. It’s the obvious misogyny and impossible standards Taylor is held to that get some of us riled up.

Please stop with this nonsense. Critics have listed plenty of other female artists that they adore.

None them have touched Taylor’s success and impact. Or they’ve stayed in their lane and so they are acceptable.

I’m not accusing you or everyone as misogynistic but there is a lot of misogyny in some of the criticisms. And people respond to that and are accused as rabid and hysterical.

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Anonymous wrote:Gen X women think hating Taylor Swift is a personality and I will never understand

One of the Gen X PPs here to clarify that I only am neutral/meh about Taylor. Now her fans…

+1

I have not posted much in the thread but I don't actually have strong feelings about Swift as a person. Like others I have tried to get into her music because she seems to be the biggest thing going, but it just never clicks with me. I do like singer-songwriters like Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo so I don't think it's purely a generational thing.

But reading through the thread I am reminded that I find diehard Swifties really annoying. They take any critique of Swift so personally. I don't get it. I think there is a lot of over identification with her as a personal avatar and it's not healthy. She's just an artist and celeb.

Actually, I don’t really care whether people like her or not. I understand she is not everyone’s cup of tea. I think people mainly take issue with the criticisms that come from generalizations or ignorance, or even a dismissal of her themes as unimportant because they appeal to young women as though that is a bad thing. There’s a deeper body of work there underneath the radio hits. I understand not everyone has the time or willingness to listen to them. But many people still speak before they know.

Yep. It’s the obvious misogyny and impossible standards Taylor is held to that get some of us riled up.

The problem is when you cast any criticism of her as misogyny.

Not any. But certainly some. And anytime it’s brought up it’s cast as rabid crazy hysterical women defending her.

No one has said it’s rabid hysterical women.

But you all seemed to take a huge amount of offense at the notion that TS writing lyrics and basically not music means that her winning songwriting awards is a bit weird. At the very least, she should be winning them with Max Martin, Shellback, and the others who write the instrumentation.

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Anonymous wrote:Gen X women think hating Taylor Swift is a personality and I will never understand

One of the Gen X PPs here to clarify that I only am neutral/meh about Taylor. Now her fans…

+1

I have not posted much in the thread but I don't actually have strong feelings about Swift as a person. Like others I have tried to get into her music because she seems to be the biggest thing going, but it just never clicks with me. I do like singer-songwriters like Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo so I don't think it's purely a generational thing.

But reading through the thread I am reminded that I find diehard Swifties really annoying. They take any critique of Swift so personally. I don't get it. I think there is a lot of over identification with her as a personal avatar and it's not healthy. She's just an artist and celeb.

Actually, I don’t really care whether people like her or not. I understand she is not everyone’s cup of tea. I think people mainly take issue with the criticisms that come from generalizations or ignorance, or even a dismissal of her themes as unimportant because they appeal to young women as though that is a bad thing. There’s a deeper body of work there underneath the radio hits. I understand not everyone has the time or willingness to listen to them. But many people still speak before they know.

Yep. It’s the obvious misogyny and impossible standards Taylor is held to that get some of us riled up.

Please stop with this nonsense. Critics have listed plenty of other female artists that they adore.

None them have touched Taylor’s success and impact. Or they’ve stayed in their lane and so they are acceptable.

I’m not accusing you or everyone as misogynistic but there is a lot of misogyny in some of the criticisms. And people respond to that and are accused as rabid and hysterical.

It’s just tiring to hear nonstop about how she’s the next coming of Christ for music.

She’s a popular diva. Great. Leave it at that.

[Anonymous]

My 2nd grader has even been frustrated about how obsessed her friends are with TS.

Yesterday she asked me why they all love her so much. “They say she’s the best musician in the world. She’s not, right? Why are they so obsessed with her?”

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I also have come to love some of her songs more after hearing them in the acoustic sets in Eras. Stripped down to the lyrics and just guitar or piano is impactful.

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Anonymous wrote:My 2nd grader has even been frustrated about how obsessed her friends are with TS.

Yesterday she asked me why they all love her so much. “They say she’s the best musician in the world. She’s not, right? Why are they so obsessed with her?”

Wow, your 2nd grader is so musically progressive. Are they always this critical of their friends?

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Anonymous wrote:My 2nd grader has even been frustrated about how obsessed her friends are with TS.

Yesterday she asked me why they all love her so much. “They say she’s the best musician in the world. She’s not, right? Why are they so obsessed with her?”

Wow, your 2nd grader is so musically progressive. Are they always this critical of their friends?

She’s a really kind friend. She just doesn’t understand why they keep talking about what is to her a random person.

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Anonymous wrote:My 2nd grader has even been frustrated about how obsessed her friends are with TS.

Yesterday she asked me why they all love her so much. “They say she’s the best musician in the world. She’s not, right? Why are they so obsessed with her?”

Wow, your 2nd grader is so musically progressive. Are they always this critical of their friends?

She’s a really kind friend. She just doesn’t understand why they keep talking about what is to her a random person.

But she’s not a “random person” to her friends. She’s a musician they admire and who resonates with them?

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Anonymous wrote:My 2nd grader has even been frustrated about how obsessed her friends are with TS.

Yesterday she asked me why they all love her so much. “They say she’s the best musician in the world. She’s not, right? Why are they so obsessed with her?”

Wow, your 2nd grader is so musically progressive. Are they always this critical of their friends?

She’s a really kind friend. She just doesn’t understand why they keep talking about what is to her a random person.

But she’s not a “random person” to her friends. She’s a musician they admire and who resonates with them?

Yes, and she gets that. But she’s 7. And she doesn’t understand the fixation on TS as a person.

Celebrity worship can be a weird thing to a kid who hasn’t found any famous person they adore.

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Anonymous wrote:My 2nd grader has even been frustrated about how obsessed her friends are with TS.

Yesterday she asked me why they all love her so much. “They say she’s the best musician in the world. She’s not, right? Why are they so obsessed with her?”

Wow, your 2nd grader is so musically progressive. Are they always this critical of their friends?

She’s a really kind friend. She just doesn’t understand why they keep talking about what is to her a random person.

But she’s not a “random person” to her friends. She’s a musician they admire and who resonates with them?

Yes, and she gets that. But she’s 7. And she doesn’t understand the fixation on TS as a person.

Celebrity worship can be a weird thing to a kid who hasn’t found any famous person they adore.

Geez, PP, why is your 7 year old such a stuck-up misogynist? Hasn’t she heard that A-MAZING song about Taylor’s sweater?

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I prefer BTS which has its own large fandom. Taylor is ok but she doesn’t have as much depth and breadth and her story isn’t as compelling. Her concerts sound like fun. I think part of her popularity is that there aren’t enough other women given chances in the American music industry unless they dress sexy and sing about f-ing. Taylor is appropriate for those wanting a PG13 experience.

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Anonymous wrote:I prefer BTS which has its own large fandom. Taylor is ok but she doesn’t have as much depth and breadth and her story isn’t as compelling. Her concerts sound like fun. I think part of her popularity is that there aren’t enough other women given chances in the American music industry unless they dress sexy and sing about f-ing. Taylor is appropriate for those wanting a PG13 experience.

Yeah I think this is a lot of it.

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Anonymous wrote:I prefer BTS which has its own large fandom. Taylor is ok but she doesn’t have as much depth and breadth and her story isn’t as compelling. Her concerts sound like fun. I think part of her popularity is that there aren’t enough other women given chances in the American music industry unless they dress sexy and sing about f-ing. Taylor is appropriate for those wanting a PG13 experience.

I’d so much rather my daughter love Pink than TS.

She’s always been authentically herself and doesn’t seem to care that she’s different. She has seemed to embrace it.

https://youtu.be/Wxd-YGvry1o?si=bUiowYr21lh0GEJ5

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Anonymous wrote:My 2nd grader has even been frustrated about how obsessed her friends are with TS.

Yesterday she asked me why they all love her so much. “They say she’s the best musician in the world. She’s not, right? Why are they so obsessed with her?”

Wow, your 2nd grader is so musically progressive. Are they always this critical of their friends?

She’s a really kind friend. She just doesn’t understand why they keep talking about what is to her a random person.

But she’s not a “random person” to her friends. She’s a musician they admire and who resonates with them?

Yes, and she gets that. But she’s 7. And she doesn’t understand the fixation on TS as a person.

Celebrity worship can be a weird thing to a kid who hasn’t found any famous person they adore.

I can understand your kid not getting it... I just don't understand your weird flex about it.

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Anonymous wrote:My 2nd grader has even been frustrated about how obsessed her friends are with TS.

Yesterday she asked me why they all love her so much. “They say she’s the best musician in the world. She’s not, right? Why are they so obsessed with her?”

Wow, your 2nd grader is so musically progressive. Are they always this critical of their friends?

She’s a really kind friend. She just doesn’t understand why they keep talking about what is to her a random person.

But she’s not a “random person” to her friends. She’s a musician they admire and who resonates with them?

Yes, and she gets that. But she’s 7. And she doesn’t understand the fixation on TS as a person.

Celebrity worship can be a weird thing to a kid who hasn’t found any famous person they adore.

I can understand your kid not getting it... I just don't understand your weird flex about it.

… it’s not a flex. It’s an observation. I actually really am worried she’ll say something to her friends that is negative and will upset them. So I really emphasized to her that people can like what they like.