School Board Forum on "Boundary and Capacity"

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Anonymous wrote:It was clear from the time that Tholen scrubbed her campaign website of any favorable references to “One Fairfax” that she would do what her Great Falls neighbors wanted. And she did, for the most part.

Anyway with so much growth in Tysons and nearby areas they may need to move more kids to Langley at some point and the difference now is that Herndon has more space if they need to move kids there.

Nope the assertion back then was that she changed her website to get elected and that once in, she would be all in on the “comprehend review of the boundaries.”

Didn’t happen.

It could be, just might be that the boundaries didn’t need a massive overhaul.

You’re just making stuff up.

The grocery stores have large bags of ice.
Pick one up to soothe your butthurt.

That’s funny because the biggest butthurt on the forum is Langley posters getting so worked up whenever the mere possibility that their school might be part of a future boundary discussion is mentioned.

Why would they be irritated when they supposedly get what they want all the time?

When you know the system has been rigged in your favor in the past, it gives rise to both a sense of entitlement and considerable insecurity.

Next question.

DP. Or perhaps they have common sense and understand that the idea of moving Forestville students is ridiculous as there is no need to do so in the first place? The only person displaying considerable insecurity here is you, insisting that these students need to move for "reasons." And those reasons are entirely about placating you and your weird obsession.

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Anonymous wrote:Will the Langley bastion finally fall? I hope so. Rooting for this board.

Bitter much?

Gatehouse should make the best use of facilities, giving weight to efficiency and budget.
If the Langley boundaries change due to that then whatever.

The Langley boundaries may well need to change in a few years based on capacity and logistical issues, but if that happens they'll still claim it's being done to "punish" them. Hopefully with Robyn Lady representing the district rather than Elaine Tholen, decisions will be based on the merits and not just a desire to place Langley's interests over everyone else's.

“still?”
Where/when did Langley parents protest possible boundary changes with the argument that the school board wanted to punish them for something?

As to hoping the latest Dranesville rep will advocate for boundaries based on the merits of different options (which will apparently be demonstrated only if she wants to alter boundaries in a way that you desire)
—- I am old enough to remember all the crowing about Jane Strauss not being around to “protect” the Langley boundaries anymore after Elaine was elected, and we see how that worked out for people emotionally invested in some drastic change.

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There is no rational discussion to be had with the PP, who continues to rant about schools which her children don’t even attend. Interesting how she’ll never disclose where her kids actually do go to school.

+1. Her social engineering crusade is truly pathetic at this point. She is likely as insufferable in real life as she is on this forum.

Are you sock puppeting or do all these Langley posters sound EXACTLY the same?

I mean people will point out that changes should only be made, if at all, if needed based on capacity and logistics, and you'll still flail away about "social engineering."

Report the post and claim it’s a sock puppet post. It’s not, but you can see for yourself that I’m a DP when the admin doesn’t remove it. On the other hand, I’m quite certain that you are a one woman social engineering crusader.

Honest question - do you think "social engineering" means anything that might run counter to the wishes of a Langley family? Because there may be valid reasons to move kids in and out of Langley at some point that bear no resemblance to what "social engineering" generally is understood to connote.

Perhaps, but her posts are of one flavor - to soak the “rich” Forestville families. She’s got a real chip on her shoulder about it, especially since, as the board member recently pointed out, redistricting is bad for all involved, especially poor students. Her hatred of Forestville is just that great, that she’d be willing to hurt Herndon students to stick it to Forestville.

I am in favor of doing everything we can to improve schools, but it really feels like a paternalistic “savior” move to do what she advocates.

Except multiple posters have said Forestville should only move if there’s a compelling logistical need to move it and you keep claiming we’re all the same poster with a “social engineering” agenda. It’s just very odd.

Any suggestion that has a whiff of possibly affecting certain schools in certain ways is labeled social engineering around here — even before the renovations over the past few years occurred. It is sad. Just wait until next year when standards based grading is applied to all schools.

What’s sad about it? Parents should advocate for their kids. I’d take that any day of the week over someone who wants to upend the apple cart based on some vague misguided sense of social justice.

And deep down most people on this board know they would feel the exact same way if it were their kids’ educations on the line.

Whoa. That is quite the accusation about another FCPS school. You should see your therapist. That is next level overreacting.

I know, right? It’s like I have this obsession with trying to screw over other people’s kids. It’s really next level f-ed up. I pretend to care about poor people, but I really just hate a subset of our county that I believe has money.

It’s infuriating, I just can’t sleep at night, it tears me apart. I seethe.

Oh wait, that’s you, the paternalistic social engineer looking to have Forestville kids play savior for other people’s kids.

It turns out that wanting what’s best for one’s child is typically not grounds to see a therapist. You however, sweetie, should consider it.

Actually, you are a flat out racist. I’m not even sure you have a child in school.

Hi pot, I’m kettle!

At least I’m not overtly railing against non native English speakers in this board like some pretend SJWs.

If some non-native speaker thinks “social engineering” means everything they personally dislike, consider it a teaching moment.

Otherwise, get a grip. There’s no bigger group of overt racists in the county than Langley families when it comes to the Hispanic population at Herndon.

Says the racist social engineer, who doubled down on calling out non native speakers twice now. Maybe you are an oblivious racist?

Yawn. If you want to come up with arguments why Langley alone should be uniquely excluded from future FCPS boundary studies in perpetuity, you’re going to have to come up with something better than this nonsense.

DP. Now you're just making things up. No one has said this. It's been acknowledged repeatedly that sure, in the future, boundary studies might impact Langley. That time is not anywhere close, however. That's the part you can't (won't) accept and you're looking like a complete fool every time you stomp your feet and insist that it WILL BE SO, just because it bothers you so very much. Oh - almost forgot. Where do your kids go to school?

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Anonymous wrote:So you sincerely believe the following people should not have a say at all?

1. Arthur, whose kids are FCPS alumni. Arthur believes that strong schools build a strong community, and therefore, he has a vested interest in what happens in the community schools.
2. Beatrice, a retired teacher who lives in the community in which she taught for 35 years.
3. Carlos, a current FCPS teacher who has 15+ years of experience in education
4. Dania, a young woman who doesn't yet have children, but who hopes to have them within the next couple years.
5. Elliot, a professor of educational policy who lives in Fairfax County.
6. Farrah, a recent graduate of FCPS who has strong feelings about the state of our schools.

ANYONE who cares about our community should care about our public schools. They all have a right to vote, run for office (yes, even for school board!), and voice their opinions.
Saying you should have to have children in the system in order to run for SB or to vote is gross discrimination and is voter suppression. Think about how that would sound if you replaced your qualifier (about having school-age children) with a different one, such as gender, sex, religion, skin color, difference in ability, etc. Think about that. Just think. I hope you are ashamed of yourself!

Yes, that's what I'm saying. The only people with a say should be those with skin in the game who are directly impacted by the schools. That means parents.

By your reasoning, we should open up voting for Governor to the following people:
1. Arthur, who lives in California but his kids live in Virginia
2. Beatrice, a former Virginia resident who has retired to Florida but still has friends here
3. Carlos, a house cleaner who lives in Maryland but cleans houses in Virginia
4. Jorge, a Guatemalan currently walking towards the Texas border, where he hopes CBP will give him a free bus ticket to Virginia
5. Mohamed, a waiter in Jeddah who has been reading up on Virginia history
6. Kim, a North Korean who has strong feelings about the state of government in Virgina

I think "reason" is something you are sorely lacking. Your not-at-all-intelligent quip is not even remotely equivalent and if you are unaware of of that, I feel very sorry for you.

Your level of bigotry and racism is unbelievable.

DP. Are you the poster who thinks that importing "rich" kids will somehow help improve a high school that is majority "poor" immigrants? If so, take a good, hard look in the mirror.

DP. Why are you attacking a poster who stood up for the proposition that others besides current FCPS parents should be able to serve on the School Board or vote in School Board elections? Is that your view? Would it also disqualify you? And, if so, why are you posting here?

As far as I can tell, the poster you’re attacking said nothing about “importing” wealthier kids merely to “improve” a less wealthy school.

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Anonymous wrote:So you sincerely believe the following people should not have a say at all?

1. Arthur, whose kids are FCPS alumni. Arthur believes that strong schools build a strong community, and therefore, he has a vested interest in what happens in the community schools.
2. Beatrice, a retired teacher who lives in the community in which she taught for 35 years.
3. Carlos, a current FCPS teacher who has 15+ years of experience in education
4. Dania, a young woman who doesn't yet have children, but who hopes to have them within the next couple years.
5. Elliot, a professor of educational policy who lives in Fairfax County.
6. Farrah, a recent graduate of FCPS who has strong feelings about the state of our schools.

ANYONE who cares about our community should care about our public schools. They all have a right to vote, run for office (yes, even for school board!), and voice their opinions.
Saying you should have to have children in the system in order to run for SB or to vote is gross discrimination and is voter suppression. Think about how that would sound if you replaced your qualifier (about having school-age children) with a different one, such as gender, sex, religion, skin color, difference in ability, etc. Think about that. Just think. I hope you are ashamed of yourself!

Yes, that's what I'm saying. The only people with a say should be those with skin in the game who are directly impacted by the schools. That means parents.

By your reasoning, we should open up voting for Governor to the following people:
1. Arthur, who lives in California but his kids live in Virginia
2. Beatrice, a former Virginia resident who has retired to Florida but still has friends here
3. Carlos, a house cleaner who lives in Maryland but cleans houses in Virginia
4. Jorge, a Guatemalan currently walking towards the Texas border, where he hopes CBP will give him a free bus ticket to Virginia
5. Mohamed, a waiter in Jeddah who has been reading up on Virginia history
6. Kim, a North Korean who has strong feelings about the state of government in Virgina

I think "reason" is something you are sorely lacking. Your not-at-all-intelligent quip is not even remotely equivalent and if you are unaware of of that, I feel very sorry for you.

Your level of bigotry and racism is unbelievable.

There it is... the reasoned, logical debate we have come to expect from the fringe left.

You haven’t won. You both suck.

Ah, but at least we aren’t racist hypocrites advocating redistricting.

Working overtime to convince people they want nothing ever to do with Langley families, are you?

Classic attempt at misdirection. You do know everyone can read your racist posts from earlier mocking non native English speakers. So very hypocritical coming from a paternalistic social engineer.

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Anonymous wrote:Send all the Tysons spill over from McLean to Langley and put them in their own special but official region so we can be done with them. Problem solved.

Sorry, I’m not ready to turn away from your prior racist comments about people who don’t speak English good enough. We haven’t talked that through yet, especially given your stance as a SJW.

Sorry, I’m not the person you’ve been spitting at.

I think it is important to call out racists when they post, especially when they masquerade as being an ally to the downtrodden by advocating for redistricting. We can’t let racism slide in our society. I won’t tolerate it.

How is suggesting separating Langley from the Dranesville District an issue? I’m exhausted by the entitlement of some of those parents. I resent the fact that they think going to HHS will be a detriment to their children. What a load of crock. I want Langley out of our region, so that we can focus on education and not property values.
—HHS parent

DP. I highly, highly doubt you are a HHS parent. But nice trolling.

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Anonymous wrote:Will the Langley bastion finally fall? I hope so. Rooting for this board.

Bitter much?

Gatehouse should make the best use of facilities, giving weight to efficiency and budget.
If the Langley boundaries change due to that then whatever.

The Langley boundaries may well need to change in a few years based on capacity and logistical issues, but if that happens they'll still claim it's being done to "punish" them. Hopefully with Robyn Lady representing the district rather than Elaine Tholen, decisions will be based on the merits and not just a desire to place Langley's interests over everyone else's.

“still?”
Where/when did Langley parents protest possible boundary changes with the argument that the school board wanted to punish them for something?

As to hoping the latest Dranesville rep will advocate for boundaries based on the merits of different options (which will apparently be demonstrated only if she wants to alter boundaries in a way that you desire)
—- I am old enough to remember all the crowing about Jane Strauss not being around to “protect” the Langley boundaries anymore after Elaine was elected, and we see how that worked out for people emotionally invested in some drastic change.

+100
There is no rational discussion to be had with the PP, who continues to rant about schools which her children don’t even attend. Interesting how she’ll never disclose where her kids actually do go to school.

+1. Her social engineering crusade is truly pathetic at this point. She is likely as insufferable in real life as she is on this forum.

Are you sock puppeting or do all these Langley posters sound EXACTLY the same?

I mean people will point out that changes should only be made, if at all, if needed based on capacity and logistics, and you'll still flail away about "social engineering."

Report the post and claim it’s a sock puppet post. It’s not, but you can see for yourself that I’m a DP when the admin doesn’t remove it. On the other hand, I’m quite certain that you are a one woman social engineering crusader.

Honest question - do you think "social engineering" means anything that might run counter to the wishes of a Langley family? Because there may be valid reasons to move kids in and out of Langley at some point that bear no resemblance to what "social engineering" generally is understood to connote.

Perhaps, but her posts are of one flavor - to soak the “rich” Forestville families. She’s got a real chip on her shoulder about it, especially since, as the board member recently pointed out, redistricting is bad for all involved, especially poor students. Her hatred of Forestville is just that great, that she’d be willing to hurt Herndon students to stick it to Forestville.

I am in favor of doing everything we can to improve schools, but it really feels like a paternalistic “savior” move to do what she advocates.

Except multiple posters have said Forestville should only move if there’s a compelling logistical need to move it and you keep claiming we’re all the same poster with a “social engineering” agenda. It’s just very odd.

Any suggestion that has a whiff of possibly affecting certain schools in certain ways is labeled social engineering around here — even before the renovations over the past few years occurred. It is sad. Just wait until next year when standards based grading is applied to all schools.

What’s sad about it? Parents should advocate for their kids. I’d take that any day of the week over someone who wants to upend the apple cart based on some vague misguided sense of social justice.

And deep down most people on this board know they would feel the exact same way if it were their kids’ educations on the line.

Whoa. That is quite the accusation about another FCPS school. You should see your therapist. That is next level overreacting.

I know, right? It’s like I have this obsession with trying to screw over other people’s kids. It’s really next level f-ed up. I pretend to care about poor people, but I really just hate a subset of our county that I believe has money.

It’s infuriating, I just can’t sleep at night, it tears me apart. I seethe.

Oh wait, that’s you, the paternalistic social engineer looking to have Forestville kids play savior for other people’s kids.

It turns out that wanting what’s best for one’s child is typically not grounds to see a therapist. You however, sweetie, should consider it.

Actually, you are a flat out racist. I’m not even sure you have a child in school.

Hi pot, I’m kettle!

At least I’m not overtly railing against non native English speakers in this board like some pretend SJWs.

If some non-native speaker thinks “social engineering” means everything they personally dislike, consider it a teaching moment.

Otherwise, get a grip. There’s no bigger group of overt racists in the county than Langley families when it comes to the Hispanic population at Herndon.

Says the racist social engineer, who doubled down on calling out non native speakers twice now. Maybe you are an oblivious racist?

Yawn. If you want to come up with arguments why Langley alone should be uniquely excluded from future FCPS boundary studies in perpetuity, you’re going to have to come up with something better than this nonsense.

DP. Now you're just making things up. No one has said this. It's been acknowledged repeatedly that sure, in the future, boundary studies might impact Langley. That time is not anywhere close, however. That's the part you can't (won't) accept and you're looking like a complete fool every time you stomp your feet and insist that it WILL BE SO, just because it bothers you so very much. Oh - almost forgot. Where do your kids go to school?

If FCPS undertakes a county-wide study, as a number of the new School Board members have said they support, that time may be closer than you’d like, but it almost surely will be based on an assessment of where growth is occurring or is projected, which schools might have capacity, and how FCPS might reduce commuting distances in the process. And if that’s where FCPS eventually does land, Langley posters have sent very mixed messages at best as to whether they’d accept that result or instead stomp their feet and falsely claim everything was politically motivated. Grow up.

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Anonymous wrote:Send all the Tysons spill over from McLean to Langley and put them in their own special but official region so we can be done with them. Problem solved.

Sorry, I’m not ready to turn away from your prior racist comments about people who don’t speak English good enough. We haven’t talked that through yet, especially given your stance as a SJW.

Sorry, I’m not the person you’ve been spitting at.

I think it is important to call out racists when they post, especially when they masquerade as being an ally to the downtrodden by advocating for redistricting. We can’t let racism slide in our society. I won’t tolerate it.

How is suggesting separating Langley from the Dranesville District an issue? I’m exhausted by the entitlement of some of those parents. I resent the fact that they think going to HHS will be a detriment to their children. What a load of crock. I want Langley out of our region, so that we can focus on education and not property values.
—HHS parent

Amen! I would also just like FCPS to be able to make sensible, efficient decisions without Langley parents trying to delay or hijack the process because they are worried that some kids they don’t want may be assigned to Langley or that some Langley kids who live a few miles from Herndon might be moved there.

It really does feel like the tail is wagging the dog when they start complaining about social engineering before FCPS staff has even taken a hard look at what might make sense.

DP. Um - exactly where is the SB proposal advocating any of the things you claim? The strawmen you people come up with are pretty entertaining. There has been NO proposal to draw new boundary lines in either area (Tysons/McLean/Langley or Great Falls/Herndon). You're just so flustered *imagining* that there have been proposals, that you're working yourself up into a lather. Point to any recent proposals that are in the works, and maybe then we can have a conversation. Right now, all you've got is this bizarre threat of... something that you're just certain needs to be done!

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Anonymous wrote:Send all the Tysons spill over from McLean to Langley and put them in their own special but official region so we can be done with them. Problem solved.

Sorry, I’m not ready to turn away from your prior racist comments about people who don’t speak English good enough. We haven’t talked that through yet, especially given your stance as a SJW.

Sorry, I’m not the person you’ve been spitting at.

I think it is important to call out racists when they post, especially when they masquerade as being an ally to the downtrodden by advocating for redistricting. We can’t let racism slide in our society. I won’t tolerate it.

How is suggesting separating Langley from the Dranesville District an issue? I’m exhausted by the entitlement of some of those parents. I resent the fact that they think going to HHS will be a detriment to their children. What a load of crock. I want Langley out of our region, so that we can focus on education and not property values.
—HHS parent

Amen! I would also just like FCPS to be able to make sensible, efficient decisions without Langley parents trying to delay or hijack the process because they are worried that some kids they don’t want may be assigned to Langley or that some Langley kids who live a few miles from Herndon might be moved there.

It really does feel like the tail is wagging the dog when they start complaining about social engineering before FCPS staff has even taken a hard look at what might make sense.

I’m so confused. Do you want Langley to paternalistically colonize Herndon High or do you want Langley banished from Fairfax County?

And did you end up deciding to ignore the repeated racism from the redistricting advocate?

I don’t accept the false choices. All I expect is for Langley to be treated as part of FCPS for planning purposes. Not a big ask, really.

It is. Do you have some kind of actual example from any recent boundary discussions that you take issue with? No? Didn't think so.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:So you sincerely believe the following people should not have a say at all?

1. Arthur, whose kids are FCPS alumni. Arthur believes that strong schools build a strong community, and therefore, he has a vested interest in what happens in the community schools.
2. Beatrice, a retired teacher who lives in the community in which she taught for 35 years.
3. Carlos, a current FCPS teacher who has 15+ years of experience in education
4. Dania, a young woman who doesn't yet have children, but who hopes to have them within the next couple years.
5. Elliot, a professor of educational policy who lives in Fairfax County.
6. Farrah, a recent graduate of FCPS who has strong feelings about the state of our schools.

ANYONE who cares about our community should care about our public schools. They all have a right to vote, run for office (yes, even for school board!), and voice their opinions.
Saying you should have to have children in the system in order to run for SB or to vote is gross discrimination and is voter suppression. Think about how that would sound if you replaced your qualifier (about having school-age children) with a different one, such as gender, sex, religion, skin color, difference in ability, etc. Think about that. Just think. I hope you are ashamed of yourself!

Yes, that's what I'm saying. The only people with a say should be those with skin in the game who are directly impacted by the schools. That means parents.

By your reasoning, we should open up voting for Governor to the following people:
1. Arthur, who lives in California but his kids live in Virginia
2. Beatrice, a former Virginia resident who has retired to Florida but still has friends here
3. Carlos, a house cleaner who lives in Maryland but cleans houses in Virginia
4. Jorge, a Guatemalan currently walking towards the Texas border, where he hopes CBP will give him a free bus ticket to Virginia
5. Mohamed, a waiter in Jeddah who has been reading up on Virginia history
6. Kim, a North Korean who has strong feelings about the state of government in Virgina

I think "reason" is something you are sorely lacking. Your not-at-all-intelligent quip is not even remotely equivalent and if you are unaware of of that, I feel very sorry for you.

Your level of bigotry and racism is unbelievable.

DP. Are you the poster who thinks that importing "rich" kids will somehow help improve a high school that is majority "poor" immigrants? If so, take a good, hard look in the mirror.

DP. Why are you attacking a poster who stood up for the proposition that others besides current FCPS parents should be able to serve on the School Board or vote in School Board elections? Is that your view? Would it also disqualify you? And, if so, why are you posting here?

As far as I can tell, the poster you’re attacking said nothing about “importing” wealthier kids merely to “improve” a less wealthy school.

Actually, yes - I do agree with the poster who said that only current FCPS parents should be able to serve on the SB or vote in SB elections. S/he made a very good point by satirizing the idea of non-Virginia residents voting for the VA governor. So forgive us if we don't agree with you, but reality is made up of people with a wide range of viewpoints.

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Anonymous wrote:Send all the Tysons spill over from McLean to Langley and put them in their own special but official region so we can be done with them. Problem solved.

Sorry, I’m not ready to turn away from your prior racist comments about people who don’t speak English good enough. We haven’t talked that through yet, especially given your stance as a SJW.

Sorry, I’m not the person you’ve been spitting at.

I think it is important to call out racists when they post, especially when they masquerade as being an ally to the downtrodden by advocating for redistricting. We can’t let racism slide in our society. I won’t tolerate it.

How is suggesting separating Langley from the Dranesville District an issue? I’m exhausted by the entitlement of some of those parents. I resent the fact that they think going to HHS will be a detriment to their children. What a load of crock. I want Langley out of our region, so that we can focus on education and not property values.
—HHS parent

Amen! I would also just like FCPS to be able to make sensible, efficient decisions without Langley parents trying to delay or hijack the process because they are worried that some kids they don’t want may be assigned to Langley or that some Langley kids who live a few miles from Herndon might be moved there.

It really does feel like the tail is wagging the dog when they start complaining about social engineering before FCPS staff has even taken a hard look at what might make sense.

DP. Um - exactly where is the SB proposal advocating any of the things you claim? The strawmen you people come up with are pretty entertaining. There has been NO proposal to draw new boundary lines in either area (Tysons/McLean/Langley or Great Falls/Herndon). You're just so flustered *imagining* that there have been proposals, that you're working yourself up into a lather. Point to any recent proposals that are in the works, and maybe then we can have a conversation. Right now, all you've got is this bizarre threat of... something that you're just certain needs to be done!

You should start subscribing to some of the new School Board members’ newsletters, and you’d have a better understanding that they plan first to revisit the boundary policy.

To be clear, there are no specific proposals on the table yet involving the areas you’ve mentioned. That’s precisely why these pre-emptive efforts by some Langley families to shoot down proposals that haven’t even been released yet as politically motivated social engineering - which you all did in 2019 as well - are both premature and absurd.

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Anonymous wrote:Will the Langley bastion finally fall? I hope so. Rooting for this board.

Bitter much?

Gatehouse should make the best use of facilities, giving weight to efficiency and budget.
If the Langley boundaries change due to that then whatever.

The Langley boundaries may well need to change in a few years based on capacity and logistical issues, but if that happens they'll still claim it's being done to "punish" them. Hopefully with Robyn Lady representing the district rather than Elaine Tholen, decisions will be based on the merits and not just a desire to place Langley's interests over everyone else's.

“still?”
Where/when did Langley parents protest possible boundary changes with the argument that the school board wanted to punish them for something?

As to hoping the latest Dranesville rep will advocate for boundaries based on the merits of different options (which will apparently be demonstrated only if she wants to alter boundaries in a way that you desire)
—- I am old enough to remember all the crowing about Jane Strauss not being around to “protect” the Langley boundaries anymore after Elaine was elected, and we see how that worked out for people emotionally invested in some drastic change.

+100
There is no rational discussion to be had with the PP, who continues to rant about schools which her children don’t even attend. Interesting how she’ll never disclose where her kids actually do go to school.

+1. Her social engineering crusade is truly pathetic at this point. She is likely as insufferable in real life as she is on this forum.

Are you sock puppeting or do all these Langley posters sound EXACTLY the same?

I mean people will point out that changes should only be made, if at all, if needed based on capacity and logistics, and you'll still flail away about "social engineering."

Report the post and claim it’s a sock puppet post. It’s not, but you can see for yourself that I’m a DP when the admin doesn’t remove it. On the other hand, I’m quite certain that you are a one woman social engineering crusader.

Honest question - do you think "social engineering" means anything that might run counter to the wishes of a Langley family? Because there may be valid reasons to move kids in and out of Langley at some point that bear no resemblance to what "social engineering" generally is understood to connote.

Perhaps, but her posts are of one flavor - to soak the “rich” Forestville families. She’s got a real chip on her shoulder about it, especially since, as the board member recently pointed out, redistricting is bad for all involved, especially poor students. Her hatred of Forestville is just that great, that she’d be willing to hurt Herndon students to stick it to Forestville.

I am in favor of doing everything we can to improve schools, but it really feels like a paternalistic “savior” move to do what she advocates.

Except multiple posters have said Forestville should only move if there’s a compelling logistical need to move it and you keep claiming we’re all the same poster with a “social engineering” agenda. It’s just very odd.

Any suggestion that has a whiff of possibly affecting certain schools in certain ways is labeled social engineering around here — even before the renovations over the past few years occurred. It is sad. Just wait until next year when standards based grading is applied to all schools.

What’s sad about it? Parents should advocate for their kids. I’d take that any day of the week over someone who wants to upend the apple cart based on some vague misguided sense of social justice.

And deep down most people on this board know they would feel the exact same way if it were their kids’ educations on the line.

Whoa. That is quite the accusation about another FCPS school. You should see your therapist. That is next level overreacting.

I know, right? It’s like I have this obsession with trying to screw over other people’s kids. It’s really next level f-ed up. I pretend to care about poor people, but I really just hate a subset of our county that I believe has money.

It’s infuriating, I just can’t sleep at night, it tears me apart. I seethe.

Oh wait, that’s you, the paternalistic social engineer looking to have Forestville kids play savior for other people’s kids.

It turns out that wanting what’s best for one’s child is typically not grounds to see a therapist. You however, sweetie, should consider it.

Actually, you are a flat out racist. I’m not even sure you have a child in school.

Hi pot, I’m kettle!

At least I’m not overtly railing against non native English speakers in this board like some pretend SJWs.

If some non-native speaker thinks “social engineering” means everything they personally dislike, consider it a teaching moment.

Otherwise, get a grip. There’s no bigger group of overt racists in the county than Langley families when it comes to the Hispanic population at Herndon.

Says the racist social engineer, who doubled down on calling out non native speakers twice now. Maybe you are an oblivious racist?

Yawn. If you want to come up with arguments why Langley alone should be uniquely excluded from future FCPS boundary studies in perpetuity, you’re going to have to come up with something better than this nonsense.

DP. Now you're just making things up. No one has said this. It's been acknowledged repeatedly that sure, in the future, boundary studies might impact Langley. That time is not anywhere close, however. That's the part you can't (won't) accept and you're looking like a complete fool every time you stomp your feet and insist that it WILL BE SO, just because it bothers you so very much. Oh - almost forgot. Where do your kids go to school?

If FCPS undertakes a county-wide study, as a number of the new School Board members have said they support, that time may be closer than you’d like, but it almost surely will be based on an assessment of where growth is occurring or is projected, which schools might have capacity, and how FCPS might reduce commuting distances in the process. And if that’s where FCPS eventually does land, Langley posters have sent very mixed messages at best as to whether they’d accept that result or instead stomp their feet and falsely claim everything was politically motivated. Grow up.

See, you're doing it again. If, if, if, if. A mature person would actually wait to see IF any of this was going to take place. Instead, you want to hypothesize about something that *hasn't even happened* yet. So again: if this county-wide study is done, then we'll discuss. Until then, you really should seek therapy about this obsession that has you so fretful and anxious. And you never told us where your kids go to school! Do you even have kids?

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Anonymous wrote:Will the Langley bastion finally fall? I hope so. Rooting for this board.

Bitter much?

Gatehouse should make the best use of facilities, giving weight to efficiency and budget.
If the Langley boundaries change due to that then whatever.

The Langley boundaries may well need to change in a few years based on capacity and logistical issues, but if that happens they'll still claim it's being done to "punish" them. Hopefully with Robyn Lady representing the district rather than Elaine Tholen, decisions will be based on the merits and not just a desire to place Langley's interests over everyone else's.

“still?”
Where/when did Langley parents protest possible boundary changes with the argument that the school board wanted to punish them for something?

As to hoping the latest Dranesville rep will advocate for boundaries based on the merits of different options (which will apparently be demonstrated only if she wants to alter boundaries in a way that you desire)
—- I am old enough to remember all the crowing about Jane Strauss not being around to “protect” the Langley boundaries anymore after Elaine was elected, and we see how that worked out for people emotionally invested in some drastic change.

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There is no rational discussion to be had with the PP, who continues to rant about schools which her children don’t even attend. Interesting how she’ll never disclose where her kids actually do go to school.

+1. Her social engineering crusade is truly pathetic at this point. She is likely as insufferable in real life as she is on this forum.

Are you sock puppeting or do all these Langley posters sound EXACTLY the same?

I mean people will point out that changes should only be made, if at all, if needed based on capacity and logistics, and you'll still flail away about "social engineering."

Report the post and claim it’s a sock puppet post. It’s not, but you can see for yourself that I’m a DP when the admin doesn’t remove it. On the other hand, I’m quite certain that you are a one woman social engineering crusader.

Honest question - do you think "social engineering" means anything that might run counter to the wishes of a Langley family? Because there may be valid reasons to move kids in and out of Langley at some point that bear no resemblance to what "social engineering" generally is understood to connote.

Perhaps, but her posts are of one flavor - to soak the “rich” Forestville families. She’s got a real chip on her shoulder about it, especially since, as the board member recently pointed out, redistricting is bad for all involved, especially poor students. Her hatred of Forestville is just that great, that she’d be willing to hurt Herndon students to stick it to Forestville.

I am in favor of doing everything we can to improve schools, but it really feels like a paternalistic “savior” move to do what she advocates.

Except multiple posters have said Forestville should only move if there’s a compelling logistical need to move it and you keep claiming we’re all the same poster with a “social engineering” agenda. It’s just very odd.

Any suggestion that has a whiff of possibly affecting certain schools in certain ways is labeled social engineering around here — even before the renovations over the past few years occurred. It is sad. Just wait until next year when standards based grading is applied to all schools.

What’s sad about it? Parents should advocate for their kids. I’d take that any day of the week over someone who wants to upend the apple cart based on some vague misguided sense of social justice.

And deep down most people on this board know they would feel the exact same way if it were their kids’ educations on the line.

Whoa. That is quite the accusation about another FCPS school. You should see your therapist. That is next level overreacting.

I know, right? It’s like I have this obsession with trying to screw over other people’s kids. It’s really next level f-ed up. I pretend to care about poor people, but I really just hate a subset of our county that I believe has money.

It’s infuriating, I just can’t sleep at night, it tears me apart. I seethe.

Oh wait, that’s you, the paternalistic social engineer looking to have Forestville kids play savior for other people’s kids.

It turns out that wanting what’s best for one’s child is typically not grounds to see a therapist. You however, sweetie, should consider it.

Actually, you are a flat out racist. I’m not even sure you have a child in school.

Hi pot, I’m kettle!

At least I’m not overtly railing against non native English speakers in this board like some pretend SJWs.

If some non-native speaker thinks “social engineering” means everything they personally dislike, consider it a teaching moment.

Otherwise, get a grip. There’s no bigger group of overt racists in the county than Langley families when it comes to the Hispanic population at Herndon.

Says the racist social engineer, who doubled down on calling out non native speakers twice now. Maybe you are an oblivious racist?

Yawn. If you want to come up with arguments why Langley alone should be uniquely excluded from future FCPS boundary studies in perpetuity, you’re going to have to come up with something better than this nonsense.

DP. Now you're just making things up. No one has said this. It's been acknowledged repeatedly that sure, in the future, boundary studies might impact Langley. That time is not anywhere close, however. That's the part you can't (won't) accept and you're looking like a complete fool every time you stomp your feet and insist that it WILL BE SO, just because it bothers you so very much. Oh - almost forgot. Where do your kids go to school?

If FCPS undertakes a county-wide study, as a number of the new School Board members have said they support, that time may be closer than you’d like, but it almost surely will be based on an assessment of where growth is occurring or is projected, which schools might have capacity, and how FCPS might reduce commuting distances in the process. And if that’s where FCPS eventually does land, Langley posters have sent very mixed messages at best as to whether they’d accept that result or instead stomp their feet and falsely claim everything was politically motivated. Grow up.

No mixed messages. I’ll be clear. If redistricting happened I would do everything I could legally do within my power to destroy the school boards’ political careers. And there are many well-resourced great falls residents who would likely do the same.

See, I’m a grown up!

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Anonymous wrote:Send all the Tysons spill over from McLean to Langley and put them in their own special but official region so we can be done with them. Problem solved.

Sorry, I’m not ready to turn away from your prior racist comments about people who don’t speak English good enough. We haven’t talked that through yet, especially given your stance as a SJW.

Sorry, I’m not the person you’ve been spitting at.

I think it is important to call out racists when they post, especially when they masquerade as being an ally to the downtrodden by advocating for redistricting. We can’t let racism slide in our society. I won’t tolerate it.

How is suggesting separating Langley from the Dranesville District an issue? I’m exhausted by the entitlement of some of those parents. I resent the fact that they think going to HHS will be a detriment to their children. What a load of crock. I want Langley out of our region, so that we can focus on education and not property values.
—HHS parent

Amen! I would also just like FCPS to be able to make sensible, efficient decisions without Langley parents trying to delay or hijack the process because they are worried that some kids they don’t want may be assigned to Langley or that some Langley kids who live a few miles from Herndon might be moved there.

It really does feel like the tail is wagging the dog when they start complaining about social engineering before FCPS staff has even taken a hard look at what might make sense.

DP. Um - exactly where is the SB proposal advocating any of the things you claim? The strawmen you people come up with are pretty entertaining. There has been NO proposal to draw new boundary lines in either area (Tysons/McLean/Langley or Great Falls/Herndon). You're just so flustered *imagining* that there have been proposals, that you're working yourself up into a lather. Point to any recent proposals that are in the works, and maybe then we can have a conversation. Right now, all you've got is this bizarre threat of... something that you're just certain needs to be done!

You should start subscribing to some of the new School Board members’ newsletters, and you’d have a better understanding that they plan first to revisit the boundary policy.

To be clear, there are no specific proposals on the table yet involving the areas you’ve mentioned. That’s precisely why these pre-emptive efforts by some Langley families to shoot down proposals that haven’t even been released yet as politically motivated social engineering - which you all did in 2019 as well - are both premature and absurd.

Oh, the irony. Let me fix that for you:
That’s precisely why these pre-emptive efforts by some fanatical posters to imagine proposals that haven’t even been suggested yet are both premature and absurd.

And the bolded is EXACTLY the point.

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Anonymous wrote:So you sincerely believe the following people should not have a say at all?

1. Arthur, whose kids are FCPS alumni. Arthur believes that strong schools build a strong community, and therefore, he has a vested interest in what happens in the community schools.
2. Beatrice, a retired teacher who lives in the community in which she taught for 35 years.
3. Carlos, a current FCPS teacher who has 15+ years of experience in education
4. Dania, a young woman who doesn't yet have children, but who hopes to have them within the next couple years.
5. Elliot, a professor of educational policy who lives in Fairfax County.
6. Farrah, a recent graduate of FCPS who has strong feelings about the state of our schools.

ANYONE who cares about our community should care about our public schools. They all have a right to vote, run for office (yes, even for school board!), and voice their opinions.
Saying you should have to have children in the system in order to run for SB or to vote is gross discrimination and is voter suppression. Think about how that would sound if you replaced your qualifier (about having school-age children) with a different one, such as gender, sex, religion, skin color, difference in ability, etc. Think about that. Just think. I hope you are ashamed of yourself!

Yes, that's what I'm saying. The only people with a say should be those with skin in the game who are directly impacted by the schools. That means parents.

By your reasoning, we should open up voting for Governor to the following people:
1. Arthur, who lives in California but his kids live in Virginia
2. Beatrice, a former Virginia resident who has retired to Florida but still has friends here
3. Carlos, a house cleaner who lives in Maryland but cleans houses in Virginia
4. Jorge, a Guatemalan currently walking towards the Texas border, where he hopes CBP will give him a free bus ticket to Virginia
5. Mohamed, a waiter in Jeddah who has been reading up on Virginia history
6. Kim, a North Korean who has strong feelings about the state of government in Virgina

I think "reason" is something you are sorely lacking. Your not-at-all-intelligent quip is not even remotely equivalent and if you are unaware of of that, I feel very sorry for you.

Your level of bigotry and racism is unbelievable.

There it is... the reasoned, logical debate we have come to expect from the fringe left.

You haven’t won. You both suck.

Won what?? Good grief, you are a nutjob.
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Anonymous wrote:So you sincerely believe the following people should not have a say at all?

1. Arthur, whose kids are FCPS alumni. Arthur believes that strong schools build a strong community, and therefore, he has a vested interest in what happens in the community schools.
2. Beatrice, a retired teacher who lives in the community in which she taught for 35 years.
3. Carlos, a current FCPS teacher who has 15+ years of experience in education
4. Dania, a young woman who doesn't yet have children, but who hopes to have them within the next couple years.
5. Elliot, a professor of educational policy who lives in Fairfax County.
6. Farrah, a recent graduate of FCPS who has strong feelings about the state of our schools.

ANYONE who cares about our community should care about our public schools. They all have a right to vote, run for office (yes, even for school board!), and voice their opinions.
Saying you should have to have children in the system in order to run for SB or to vote is gross discrimination and is voter suppression. Think about how that would sound if you replaced your qualifier (about having school-age children) with a different one, such as gender, sex, religion, skin color, difference in ability, etc. Think about that. Just think. I hope you are ashamed of yourself!

Yes, that's what I'm saying. The only people with a say should be those with skin in the game who are directly impacted by the schools. That means parents.

By your reasoning, we should open up voting for Governor to the following people:
1. Arthur, who lives in California but his kids live in Virginia
2. Beatrice, a former Virginia resident who has retired to Florida but still has friends here
3. Carlos, a house cleaner who lives in Maryland but cleans houses in Virginia
4. Jorge, a Guatemalan currently walking towards the Texas border, where he hopes CBP will give him a free bus ticket to Virginia
5. Mohamed, a waiter in Jeddah who has been reading up on Virginia history
6. Kim, a North Korean who has strong feelings about the state of government in Virgina

I think "reason" is something you are sorely lacking. Your not-at-all-intelligent quip is not even remotely equivalent and if you are unaware of of that, I feel very sorry for you.

Your level of bigotry and racism is unbelievable.

DP. Are you the poster who thinks that importing "rich" kids will somehow help improve a high school that is majority "poor" immigrants? If so, take a good, hard look in the mirror.

DP. Why are you attacking a poster who stood up for the proposition that others besides current FCPS parents should be able to serve on the School Board or vote in School Board elections? Is that your view? Would it also disqualify you? And, if so, why are you posting here?

As far as I can tell, the poster you’re attacking said nothing about “importing” wealthier kids merely to “improve” a less wealthy school.

Actually, yes - I do agree with the poster who said that only current FCPS parents should be able to serve on the SB or vote in SB elections. S/he made a very good point by satirizing the idea of non-Virginia residents voting for the VA governor. So forgive us if we don't agree with you, but reality is made up of people with a wide range of viewpoints.

The satire was in aid of a viewpoint that would disqualify candidates with expertise, disenfranchise legal voters, and would be declared illegal if made state law. So you can hold that viewpoint, but it’s a bit silly.