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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

+1
It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

So the star QB was always going to prom with the head cheerleader = the "top" sororities already know who they're going to invite before rush even starts?

That’s right. Welcome to reality.

So why even have the dog and pony show of rush? It's more fun when there are crying girls at the end?

Exactly. And Yes. Because Greek life is all about perpetuating social hierarchy. I’m not being sarcastic.

DP. For sure. And parents, if your daughter is at the top of the social hierarchy at her NoVa high school, this will not matter whatsoever in the UVA Greek system.

Being from NOVA is a huge strike against getting into top tier, in fact. Absolutely works against you.

Forgive my ignorance, but why does that work against you?

I’m a few decades past learning this first hand, but if probably hasn’t changed that much (considering the three top-tiers are exactly the same). The NoVa kids are so plentiful, nothing stands out about them. They’re all kind of lumped together and people get tired of hearing that you’re yet another kid from Northern Virginia. I guess certain private school girls from NoVa might have an edge, but in general, these super wealthy out-of-state girls have no interest whatsoever in knowing the average suburban girl from TJ or Robinson or whatever. Different universes.

Exactly this. There's nothing exotic or elite or even interesting about your basic girl from FCPS or LCPS or Alexandria, APS or PW County.

They do not want exotic. They want conformity.

Well, to be fair, when was the last time
you went out and sought to join a group that had nothing in common?
It seems weird to expect women to seek to join a sorority of women who are UN-like them.

Compatibility and conformity are two different things.

Agree. But perception is reality and I think sororities are often accused of courting conformity when the nature of girls on pacts tends to self impose this.
Even “non-sorority types” conjur an image of conformity. Are the group of teen girls wearing black retro metal-band tees and sporting various brightly-dyed hair colors and and nose rings who hang out together at the local high school conforming in the way they dress alike? Or are they grouping themselves tigether based on interests and compatibility. I think the two ideas are often cousins.

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Anonymous wrote:So is Tri Delta the top sorority still? I see they mix with DKE the most?

I don’t know. I was one who used them as an example in a prior post, but that was based on zero knowledge of UVA-specific Greek system. Insert whatever the current top group is. These tend to be interchangeable over time within the top half unless it’s a school like Bama or Auburn or Ole Miss.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

+1
It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

So the star QB was always going to prom with the head cheerleader = the "top" sororities already know who they're going to invite before rush even starts?

That’s right. Welcome to reality.

So why even have the dog and pony show of rush? It's more fun when there are crying girls at the end?

Exactly. And Yes. Because Greek life is all about perpetuating social hierarchy. I’m not being sarcastic.

DP. For sure. And parents, if your daughter is at the top of the social hierarchy at her NoVa high school, this will not matter whatsoever in the UVA Greek system.

Being from NOVA is a huge strike against getting into top tier, in fact. Absolutely works against you.

Forgive my ignorance, but why does that work against you?

I’ve never heard this either, but I’ve never done a member analysis of the makeup of UVA chapters. Groups tend to want to recruit from the same high schools where they already have members. There are exceptions of course, but it helps to either be known by members before rush starts, or be from a high school that has a high population of women going Greek.

A member analysis of the makeup of UVA chapters??? Would you please sell me some of your spare time?

She said she has “never” tried to do one.

Do try to keep up, mkay?

That anyone on DCUM - presumably a mother- could even fathom this idea is absurd.

Please see post explaining how this is a literal job for hundreds of women in the sorority business.
Yes, business.
This is a multimillion dollar nationwide system that relies on generated revenue in order to continue to function. Not one piece of it isn’t carefully studied.
That you don’t study it or find it interesting is fine. But that doesn’t mean someone isn’t doing the work.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

+1
It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

So the star QB was always going to prom with the head cheerleader = the "top" sororities already know who they're going to invite before rush even starts?

That’s right. Welcome to reality.

So why even have the dog and pony show of rush? It's more fun when there are crying girls at the end?

Exactly. And Yes. Because Greek life is all about perpetuating social hierarchy. I’m not being sarcastic.

DP. For sure. And parents, if your daughter is at the top of the social hierarchy at her NoVa high school, this will not matter whatsoever in the UVA Greek system.

Being from NOVA is a huge strike against getting into top tier, in fact. Absolutely works against you.

Forgive my ignorance, but why does that work against you?

I’m a few decades past learning this first hand, but if probably hasn’t changed that much (considering the three top-tiers are exactly the same). The NoVa kids are so plentiful, nothing stands out about them. They’re all kind of lumped together and people get tired of hearing that you’re yet another kid from Northern Virginia. I guess certain private school girls from NoVa might have an edge, but in general, these super wealthy out-of-state girls have no interest whatsoever in knowing the average suburban girl from TJ or Robinson or whatever. Different universes.

Exactly this. There's nothing exotic or elite or even interesting about your basic girl from FCPS or LCPS or Alexandria, APS or PW County.

They do not want exotic. They want conformity.

Well, to be fair, when was the last time
you went out and sought to join a group that had nothing in common?
It seems weird to expect women to seek to join a sorority of women who are UN-like them.

Compatibility and conformity are two different things.

Agree. But perception is reality and I think sororities are often accused of courting conformity when the nature of girls on pacts tends to self impose this.
Even “non-sorority types” conjur an image of conformity. Are the group of teen girls wearing black retro metal-band tees and sporting various brightly-dyed hair colors and and nose rings who hang out together at the local high school conforming in the way they dress alike? Or are they grouping themselves tigether based on interests and compatibility. I think the two ideas are often cousins.

Stop, you’re utilizing common sense and raining on "conformity" PP’s vision that “Sorority Woman” are vapid and shallow. She needs to keep that moral superiority meter redlined and keep disparaging them to confirm her bias of the stereotype and make her feel good.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone just said she was flabbergasted to learn that fraternities only want to mix with sororities with super hot girls. That has been true ever since the second sorority was opened and it will be true for as long as there is a Greek system - straight college guys like super hot girls. Where on earth do these DCUM creatures come from?

This is true in all aspects of life and not unique to the Greek system. Are y'all living on planet Earth?

These same types grow up and have fraternities and sororities of their own called private clubs. It never ends.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

+1
It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

So the star QB was always going to prom with the head cheerleader = the "top" sororities already know who they're going to invite before rush even starts?

That’s right. Welcome to reality.

So why even have the dog and pony show of rush? It's more fun when there are crying girls at the end?

Exactly. And Yes. Because Greek life is all about perpetuating social hierarchy. I’m not being sarcastic.

DP. For sure. And parents, if your daughter is at the top of the social hierarchy at her NoVa high school, this will not matter whatsoever in the UVA Greek system.

Being from NOVA is a huge strike against getting into top tier, in fact. Absolutely works against you.

Forgive my ignorance, but why does that work against you?

I’ve never heard this either, but I’ve never done a member analysis of the makeup of UVA chapters. Groups tend to want to recruit from the same high schools where they already have members. There are exceptions of course, but it helps to either be known by members before rush starts, or be from a high school that has a high population of women going Greek.

A member analysis of the makeup of UVA chapters??? Would you please sell me some of your spare time?

She said she has “never” tried to do one.

Do try to keep up, mkay?

That anyone on DCUM - presumably a mother- could even fathom this idea is absurd.

Please see post explaining how this is a literal job for hundreds of women in the sorority business.
Yes, business.
This is a multimillion dollar nationwide system that relies on generated revenue in order to continue to function. Not one piece of it isn’t carefully studied.
That you don’t study it or find it interesting is fine. But that doesn’t mean someone isn’t doing the work.

DP. This is so bizarre. This must be a southern thing. This is not a thing in the north.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

+1
It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

So the star QB was always going to prom with the head cheerleader = the "top" sororities already know who they're going to invite before rush even starts?

That’s right. Welcome to reality.

So why even have the dog and pony show of rush? It's more fun when there are crying girls at the end?

Exactly. And Yes. Because Greek life is all about perpetuating social hierarchy. I’m not being sarcastic.

DP. For sure. And parents, if your daughter is at the top of the social hierarchy at her NoVa high school, this will not matter whatsoever in the UVA Greek system.

Being from NOVA is a huge strike against getting into top tier, in fact. Absolutely works against you.

Forgive my ignorance, but why does that work against you?

I’m a few decades past learning this first hand, but if probably hasn’t changed that much (considering the three top-tiers are exactly the same). The NoVa kids are so plentiful, nothing stands out about them. They’re all kind of lumped together and people get tired of hearing that you’re yet another kid from Northern Virginia. I guess certain private school girls from NoVa might have an edge, but in general, these super wealthy out-of-state girls have no interest whatsoever in knowing the average suburban girl from TJ or Robinson or whatever. Different universes.

Exactly this. There's nothing exotic or elite or even interesting about your basic girl from FCPS or LCPS or Alexandria, APS or PW County.

They do not want exotic. They want conformity.

Well, to be fair, when was the last time
you went out and sought to join a group that had nothing in common?
It seems weird to expect women to seek to join a sorority of women who are UN-like them.

Compatibility and conformity are two different things.

Agree. But perception is reality and I think sororities are often accused of courting conformity when the nature of girls on pacts tends to self impose this.
Even “non-sorority types” conjur an image of conformity. Are the group of teen girls wearing black retro metal-band tees and sporting various brightly-dyed hair colors and and nose rings who hang out together at the local high school conforming in the way they dress alike? Or are they grouping themselves tigether based on interests and compatibility. I think the two ideas are often cousins.

DP. I don’t know, I think there’s a difference between conforming with your peer group, and conforming with some notion of how a young women needs to present herself in order to mix with the right fraternity. (And therefore bag the right kind of mate.) They’re both conforming, but one is vying for the ultimate evolutionary prize.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

+1
It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

So the star QB was always going to prom with the head cheerleader = the "top" sororities already know who they're going to invite before rush even starts?

That’s right. Welcome to reality.

So why even have the dog and pony show of rush? It's more fun when there are crying girls at the end?

Exactly. And Yes. Because Greek life is all about perpetuating social hierarchy. I’m not being sarcastic.

DP. For sure. And parents, if your daughter is at the top of the social hierarchy at her NoVa high school, this will not matter whatsoever in the UVA Greek system.

Being from NOVA is a huge strike against getting into top tier, in fact. Absolutely works against you.

Forgive my ignorance, but why does that work against you?

I’ve never heard this either, but I’ve never done a member analysis of the makeup of UVA chapters. Groups tend to want to recruit from the same high schools where they already have members. There are exceptions of course, but it helps to either be known by members before rush starts, or be from a high school that has a high population of women going Greek.

So it’s all a show.

No, it’s also part human nature.

When you apply for a job, it never hurts to have someone in the company who can tell the hiring manager what a hard worker you are.
When joining a sorority, it never hurts to have someone who is already a member telling sisters how fun, kind, hilarious to hang out with you are.
Similarly, if they already have four great hires from MIT who attuned out to be a great fit for the company, they tend to try to recruit more from MIT.
In sorority, if you have four members from Potomac HS who are all active, smart, pay their dues, and are well liked and they have two friends from Potomac who are rushing, it’s human nature to want to recruit them.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

+1
It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

So the star QB was always going to prom with the head cheerleader = the "top" sororities already know who they're going to invite before rush even starts?

That’s right. Welcome to reality.

So why even have the dog and pony show of rush? It's more fun when there are crying girls at the end?

Exactly. And Yes. Because Greek life is all about perpetuating social hierarchy. I’m not being sarcastic.

DP. For sure. And parents, if your daughter is at the top of the social hierarchy at her NoVa high school, this will not matter whatsoever in the UVA Greek system.

Being from NOVA is a huge strike against getting into top tier, in fact. Absolutely works against you.

Forgive my ignorance, but why does that work against you?

I’m a few decades past learning this first hand, but if probably hasn’t changed that much (considering the three top-tiers are exactly the same). The NoVa kids are so plentiful, nothing stands out about them. They’re all kind of lumped together and people get tired of hearing that you’re yet another kid from Northern Virginia. I guess certain private school girls from NoVa might have an edge, but in general, these super wealthy out-of-state girls have no interest whatsoever in knowing the average suburban girl from TJ or Robinson or whatever. Different universes.

Exactly this. There's nothing exotic or elite or even interesting about your basic girl from FCPS or LCPS or Alexandria, APS or PW County.

They do not want exotic. They want conformity.

Well, to be fair, when was the last time
you went out and sought to join a group that had nothing in common?
It seems weird to expect women to seek to join a sorority of women who are UN-like them.

Compatibility and conformity are two different things.

Agree. But perception is reality and I think sororities are often accused of courting conformity when the nature of girls on pacts tends to self impose this.
Even “non-sorority types” conjur an image of conformity. Are the group of teen girls wearing black retro metal-band tees and sporting various brightly-dyed hair colors and and nose rings who hang out together at the local high school conforming in the way they dress alike? Or are they grouping themselves tigether based on interests and compatibility. I think the two ideas are often cousins.

DP. I don’t know, I think there’s a difference between conforming with your peer group, and conforming with some notion of how a young women needs to present herself in order to mix with the right fraternity. (And therefore bag the right kind of mate.) They’re both conforming, but one is vying for the ultimate evolutionary prize.

But if that’s your view of sorority women and their goals in 2024, I think that’s a you-issue. Not sure there is anyone anything can say to change your mind.

But please don’t try to say that you “support all women” with that insulting viewpoint.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

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It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

So the star QB was always going to prom with the head cheerleader = the "top" sororities already know who they're going to invite before rush even starts?

That’s right. Welcome to reality.

So why even have the dog and pony show of rush? It's more fun when there are crying girls at the end?

Exactly. And Yes. Because Greek life is all about perpetuating social hierarchy. I’m not being sarcastic.

DP. For sure. And parents, if your daughter is at the top of the social hierarchy at her NoVa high school, this will not matter whatsoever in the UVA Greek system.

Being from NOVA is a huge strike against getting into top tier, in fact. Absolutely works against you.

Forgive my ignorance, but why does that work against you?

I’ve never heard this either, but I’ve never done a member analysis of the makeup of UVA chapters. Groups tend to want to recruit from the same high schools where they already have members. There are exceptions of course, but it helps to either be known by members before rush starts, or be from a high school that has a high population of women going Greek.

A member analysis of the makeup of UVA chapters??? Would you please sell me some of your spare time?

She said she has “never” tried to do one.

Do try to keep up, mkay?

That anyone on DCUM - presumably a mother- could even fathom this idea is absurd.

Please see post explaining how this is a literal job for hundreds of women in the sorority business.
Yes, business.
This is a multimillion dollar nationwide system that relies on generated revenue in order to continue to function. Not one piece of it isn’t carefully studied.
That you don’t study it or find it interesting is fine. But that doesn’t mean someone isn’t doing the work.

DP. This is so bizarre. This must be a southern thing. This is not a thing in the north.

It’s a nationwide NPC thing.
There isn’t a single NPC group that doesn’t have all the stats on all its chapters.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

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It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

So the star QB was always going to prom with the head cheerleader = the "top" sororities already know who they're going to invite before rush even starts?

That’s right. Welcome to reality.

So why even have the dog and pony show of rush? It's more fun when there are crying girls at the end?

Exactly. And Yes. Because Greek life is all about perpetuating social hierarchy. I’m not being sarcastic.

DP. For sure. And parents, if your daughter is at the top of the social hierarchy at her NoVa high school, this will not matter whatsoever in the UVA Greek system.

Being from NOVA is a huge strike against getting into top tier, in fact. Absolutely works against you.

Forgive my ignorance, but why does that work against you?

I’m a few decades past learning this first hand, but if probably hasn’t changed that much (considering the three top-tiers are exactly the same). The NoVa kids are so plentiful, nothing stands out about them. They’re all kind of lumped together and people get tired of hearing that you’re yet another kid from Northern Virginia. I guess certain private school girls from NoVa might have an edge, but in general, these super wealthy out-of-state girls have no interest whatsoever in knowing the average suburban girl from TJ or Robinson or whatever. Different universes.

Exactly this. There's nothing exotic or elite or even interesting about your basic girl from FCPS or LCPS or Alexandria, APS or PW County.

They do not want exotic. They want conformity.

Well, to be fair, when was the last time
you went out and sought to join a group that had nothing in common?
It seems weird to expect women to seek to join a sorority of women who are UN-like them.

Compatibility and conformity are two different things.

Agree. But perception is reality and I think sororities are often accused of courting conformity when the nature of girls on pacts tends to self impose this.
Even “non-sorority types” conjur an image of conformity. Are the group of teen girls wearing black retro metal-band tees and sporting various brightly-dyed hair colors and and nose rings who hang out together at the local high school conforming in the way they dress alike? Or are they grouping themselves tigether based on interests and compatibility. I think the two ideas are often cousins.

Stop, you’re utilizing common sense and raining on "conformity" PP’s vision that “Sorority Woman” are vapid and shallow. She needs to keep that moral superiority meter redlined and keep disparaging them to confirm her bias of the stereotype and make her feel good.

You’re right.
I guess I was holding out hope that reason prevails.
I’ll stop.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

+1
It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

So the star QB was always going to prom with the head cheerleader = the "top" sororities already know who they're going to invite before rush even starts?

That’s right. Welcome to reality.

So why even have the dog and pony show of rush? It's more fun when there are crying girls at the end?

Or maybe teach your crying daughters that there are amazing women in all chapters and a positive and fun experience to be had no matter what letters she ends up wearing?
I don’t know. I mean the most “sought after” houses can only take the max number they are allowed. Did you let your kid only apply to Harvard? Or did you tell her there are lots of schools out there where she can be happy and get a good education?
Just makes no sense that girls make up their minds that they need to be in one specific sorority in order to be happy. The crying drama about it is a bit much.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

+1
It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

So the star QB was always going to prom with the head cheerleader = the "top" sororities already know who they're going to invite before rush even starts?

That’s right. Welcome to reality.

So why even have the dog and pony show of rush? It's more fun when there are crying girls at the end?

Exactly. And Yes. Because Greek life is all about perpetuating social hierarchy. I’m not being sarcastic.

DP. For sure. And parents, if your daughter is at the top of the social hierarchy at her NoVa high school, this will not matter whatsoever in the UVA Greek system.

Being from NOVA is a huge strike against getting into top tier, in fact. Absolutely works against you.

Forgive my ignorance, but why does that work against you?

I’m a few decades past learning this first hand, but if probably hasn’t changed that much (considering the three top-tiers are exactly the same). The NoVa kids are so plentiful, nothing stands out about them. They’re all kind of lumped together and people get tired of hearing that you’re yet another kid from Northern Virginia. I guess certain private school girls from NoVa might have an edge, but in general, these super wealthy out-of-state girls have no interest whatsoever in knowing the average suburban girl from TJ or Robinson or whatever. Different universes.

Exactly this. There's nothing exotic or elite or even interesting about your basic girl from FCPS or LCPS or Alexandria, APS or PW County.

They do not want exotic. They want conformity.

Well, to be fair, when was the last time
you went out and sought to join a group that had nothing in common?
It seems weird to expect women to seek to join a sorority of women who are UN-like them.

Compatibility and conformity are two different things.

Agree. But perception is reality and I think sororities are often accused of courting conformity when the nature of girls on pacts tends to self impose this.
Even “non-sorority types” conjur an image of conformity. Are the group of teen girls wearing black retro metal-band tees and sporting various brightly-dyed hair colors and and nose rings who hang out together at the local high school conforming in the way they dress alike? Or are they grouping themselves tigether based on interests and compatibility. I think the two ideas are often cousins.

DP. I don’t know, I think there’s a difference between conforming with your peer group, and conforming with some notion of how a young women needs to present herself in order to mix with the right fraternity. (And therefore bag the right kind of mate.) They’re both conforming, but one is vying for the ultimate evolutionary prize.

But if that’s your view of sorority women and their goals in 2024, I think that’s a you-issue. Not sure there is anyone anything can say to change your mind.

But please don’t try to say that you “support all women” with that insulting viewpoint.

If I have to support this system to be able to “support all women,” the you’re right, I guess I don’t.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe that sororities have changed so much since I attended. FWIW when I was president almost none of what’s been said on this thread is true. A rush committee who has already decided who is attending? Absolutely not. Yield protection? Not a term I’ve heard before. Top tiers everyone is talking about? Totally different from when I went there, and I wouldn’t have ever referred to them that way. We just tried to find girls we clicked with and would want to hang out with, it was not any deeper than that. And we certainly didn’t care where you were from or what vacations you took! Give me a break.

Were you in the south? Or at a Greek dominated school? Do think that can make a difference.

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Anonymous wrote:leftists want to make determinations about houses based on a lottery. take away every semblance of merit. have fats in Tri Delt, poors in Kappa, hotties in Tri Sig. can we at least have 1 thing left based on merit and competition?

Such an obvious troll post.

I get it. You think you are so above it.
Go ahead and try the lottery system and see where it gets you.
The fact is that 18-year-old girls are not interested in grouping themselves socially according to an assigned homeroom class.