WJ/BCC Fight - No racism please!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmmm…teens arrested for ASSAULT. Would love to hear what Loony McLoony “it’s was just a fight” poster has to say now.

Where was I wrong?

A WJ parent took their kid to the police station and reported it as an assault.

Police will need to do an investigation to determine if it was an assault or a fight.

You will need to wait for facts.

A police report is not facts, it is a report written when people are interviewed. People can lie in the interview.
A police investigation is usually based on facts (though something they are wrong too).

Kid comes home beaten up and he told his parents, "I was assaulted", it might be the truth or he lied because he didn't want to admit he was in a fight (and lost).

Well they had probable cause to make those arrests...so there is that.

+1 Police do not make arrests based solely on the report. An actual arrest, particularly one that follows days of reviewing tapes and talking to school officials, means they've identified someone and met with the prosecutor who thinks s/he can make a case.

I have not weighed in on this "it's not assault if it's a fight" thread before because it seems transparently insincere and likely a troll, but five arrests with more to come is a pretty strong indication that the police and prosecutors are not treating this like a bunch of kids who squared up to fight willingly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Question - will these kids be allowed back at BCC if they are convicted?

No. This is MCPS. They'll send him to WJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Question - will these kids be allowed back at BCC if they are convicted?

The honest answer is that it depends. "Court involved" youth or "adjudicated" youth do attend MCPS schools. There are kids in every single MCPS high school that are court involved in some way, and there are specialists whose job it is to help court involved youth transition back to mainstream education following completion of their time in a DJA placement, or while they are on probation.

These specific kids? Hard to say except it seems unlikely that the one being tried as an adult would return to BCC. Depending on their involvement, some of the others might.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know this for sure but the one kicking the boys head is probably the one being charged as an adult.

I actually think it’s not - it says he was charged with armed robbery and second degree assault. I’m guessing this is the one that stole that boy’s shoes, and the ‘armed’ charge relates to the gun rumors. Maybe it wasn’t a gun but some other weapon but either way, scary stuff. Given the second degree assault charge, I assume he was not one of the ones kicking the boy in the head, but that the ‘minors’ charged with 1st degree assault are responsible for that. Honestly, they should all be charged as adults.

I agree with you that they should all be charged as adults and you’re probably right about him not being the kicker.

[Anonymous]

What are the chances they will be tried as an adult since the Damascus rapists were arrested as adults but tried as juveniles?

I’m guessing these charges will be plead down, to what I wonder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question - will these kids be allowed back at BCC if they are convicted?

I don't know. If I were to guess they will either: take them back to BCC (unlikely), send them to a different HS, or to Blair Ewing or RICA.

Blair Ewing Center: https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/schools/blairewing/
"Blair G. Ewing Center staff serve students with a variety of learning and social emotional needs in a safe and supportive environment. We are committed to delivering personalized, rigorous and engaging instruction, nurturing positive connections and using flexible teaching methods to promote critical thinking and college and career readiness."

RICA: https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/schools/rica/about/
"The John L. Gildner Regional Institute for Children and Adolescents (RICA) — Rockville is an MCPS special education school for students with emotional disabilities, autism, specific learning disabilities, and other health impairments, serving Montgomery County and several counties in the state of Maryland."

RICA is for kids with actual mental health issues, not for kids who plan and carry out assaults and film it for social media.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmmm…teens arrested for ASSAULT. Would love to hear what Loony McLoony “it’s was just a fight” poster has to say now.

Where was I wrong?

A WJ parent took their kid to the police station and reported it as an assault.

Police will need to do an investigation to determine if it was an assault or a fight.

You will need to wait for facts.

A police report is not facts, it is a report written when people are interviewed. People can lie in the interview.
A police investigation is usually based on facts (though something they are wrong too).

Kid comes home beaten up and he told his parents, "I was assaulted", it might be the truth or he lied because he didn't want to admit he was in a fight (and lost).

You are really something else. The kids were already charged with assault! Including one as an adult. We KNOW what the police investigation found - that it was a crime. Now the judge/jury will decide on guilt or innocence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmmm…teens arrested for ASSAULT. Would love to hear what Loony McLoony “it’s was just a fight” poster has to say now.

Where was I wrong?

A WJ parent took their kid to the police station and reported it as an assault.

Police will need to do an investigation to determine if it was an assault or a fight.

You will need to wait for facts.

A police report is not facts, it is a report written when people are interviewed. People can lie in the interview.
A police investigation is usually based on facts (though something they are wrong too).

Kid comes home beaten up and he told his parents, "I was assaulted", it might be the truth or he lied because he didn't want to admit he was in a fight (and lost).

You are really something else. The kids were already charged with assault! Including one as an adult. We KNOW what the police investigation found - that it was a crime. Now the judge/jury will decide on guilt or innocence.

That’s exactly what I said.

Now the lawyers will plea it down and they might get tried or it will be settled out of court.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmmm…teens arrested for ASSAULT. Would love to hear what Loony McLoony “it’s was just a fight” poster has to say now.

Where was I wrong?

A WJ parent took their kid to the police station and reported it as an assault.

Police will need to do an investigation to determine if it was an assault or a fight.

You will need to wait for facts.

A police report is not facts, it is a report written when people are interviewed. People can lie in the interview.
A police investigation is usually based on facts (though something they are wrong too).

Kid comes home beaten up and he told his parents, "I was assaulted", it might be the truth or he lied because he didn't want to admit he was in a fight (and lost).

You are really something else. The kids were already charged with assault! Including one as an adult. We KNOW what the police investigation found - that it was a crime. Now the judge/jury will decide on guilt or innocence.

That’s exactly what I said.

Now the lawyers will plea it down and they might get tried or it will be settled out of court.

No, that is not exactly what you said. You said “the police will decide.” The police have already done their part and decided it was a criminal assault.

I guess your next line of argument will be “but the jury could decide it was just a fight! we don’t know the facts!”

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Question - will these kids be allowed back at BCC if they are convicted?

Question - will these kids be allowed back at BCC if they are convicted?

Interesting question…
What happens with an adult convicted of an assault? Don’t some return to the work they were doing before the conviction?

Some people of course can and should not be able to because of serious ethical violations that relate to their profession. But many, many return. Look at sports, entertainment, politics etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmmm…teens arrested for ASSAULT. Would love to hear what Loony McLoony “it’s was just a fight” poster has to say now.

Where was I wrong?

A WJ parent took their kid to the police station and reported it as an assault.

Police will need to do an investigation to determine if it was an assault or a fight.

You will need to wait for facts.

A police report is not facts, it is a report written when people are interviewed. People can lie in the interview.
A police investigation is usually based on facts (though something they are wrong too).

Kid comes home beaten up and he told his parents, "I was assaulted", it might be the truth or he lied because he didn't want to admit he was in a fight (and lost).

You remind me of my SIL who just loves to dig her heels in, even when she’s wrong.
She’s an idiot, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmmm…teens arrested for ASSAULT. Would love to hear what Loony McLoony “it’s was just a fight” poster has to say now.

Where was I wrong?

A WJ parent took their kid to the police station and reported it as an assault.

Police will need to do an investigation to determine if it was an assault or a fight.

You will need to wait for facts.

A police report is not facts, it is a report written when people are interviewed. People can lie in the interview.
A police investigation is usually based on facts (though something they are wrong too).

Kid comes home beaten up and he told his parents, "I was assaulted", it might be the truth or he lied because he didn't want to admit he was in a fight (and lost).

You are really something else. The kids were already charged with assault! Including one as an adult. We KNOW what the police investigation found - that it was a crime. Now the judge/jury will decide on guilt or innocence.

That’s exactly what I said.

Now the lawyers will plea it down and they might get tried or it will be settled out of court.

No, that is not exactly what you said. You said “the police will decide.” The police have already done their part and decided it was a criminal assault.

I guess your next line of argument will be “but the jury could decide it was just a fight! we don’t know the facts!”

What I said on 9/05 the 1st post I posted was

Police will need to do an investigation to determine if it was an assault or a fight.

So no they had not done an investigation… all I said (and everybody freaked out) was you need to wait for the police investigation and not listen to hearsay … like the kid was from Suitland and the girl has an ankle bracelet.

I said let the police investigate .

Now the lawyers get involved and charges get plead down, go away and/or charges are changed from adult to juvenile… possibly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmmm…teens arrested for ASSAULT. Would love to hear what Loony McLoony “it’s was just a fight” poster has to say now.

Where was I wrong?

A WJ parent took their kid to the police station and reported it as an assault.

Police will need to do an investigation to determine if it was an assault or a fight.

You will need to wait for facts.

A police report is not facts, it is a report written when people are interviewed. People can lie in the interview.
A police investigation is usually based on facts (though something they are wrong too).

Kid comes home beaten up and he told his parents, "I was assaulted", it might be the truth or he lied because he didn't want to admit he was in a fight (and lost).

You remind me of my SIL who just loves to dig her heels in, even when she’s wrong.
She’s an idiot, too.

I wasn’t wrong I said wait for a police investigation.

You sound like my MIL when I say the sky is blue she says not it’s not it’s blue and then I say yea I said it was blue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmmm…teens arrested for ASSAULT. Would love to hear what Loony McLoony “it’s was just a fight” poster has to say now.

Where was I wrong?

A WJ parent took their kid to the police station and reported it as an assault.

Police will need to do an investigation to determine if it was an assault or a fight.

You will need to wait for facts.

A police report is not facts, it is a report written when people are interviewed. People can lie in the interview.
A police investigation is usually based on facts (though something they are wrong too).

Kid comes home beaten up and he told his parents, "I was assaulted", it might be the truth or he lied because he didn't want to admit he was in a fight (and lost).

You are really something else. The kids were already charged with assault! Including one as an adult. We KNOW what the police investigation found - that it was a crime. Now the judge/jury will decide on guilt or innocence.

That’s exactly what I said.

Now the lawyers will plea it down and they might get tried or it will be settled out of court.

No, that is not exactly what you said. You said “the police will decide.” The police have already done their part and decided it was a criminal assault.

I guess your next line of argument will be “but the jury could decide it was just a fight! we don’t know the facts!”

What I said on 9/05 the 1st post I posted was

Police will need to do an investigation to determine if it was an assault or a fight.

So no they had not done an investigation… all I said (and everybody freaked out) was you need to wait for the police investigation and not listen to hearsay … like the kid was from Suitland and the girl has an ankle bracelet.

I said let the police investigate .

Now the lawyers get involved and charges get plead down, go away and/or charges are changed from adult to juvenile… possibly.

If they are charging the kids with assault, they have done an investigation and decided it was…assault.