Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI

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Anonymous wrote:A Nat Sec friend made an interesting point to me. The Biden WH may be at a disadvantage in international/national security matters because they are missing critical information (conversations, agreements, intelligence from 2017-21) which Trump took with him.

Think about the North Korea love letters. My guess is that those are some of the documentshe kept.

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Anonymous wrote:So Trump is an idiot savant multi-decade criminal mastermind mafia boss laundering money for foreign countries, selling national secrets, tax fraud, on and on and on… but the most they can get on him is some alleged document theft from his last few hours in the WH?

Got it.

Wonder if they have his kids on video smoking crack, cavorting with hookers, etc. And whether or not they have a recording of him telling Jr. he's "in the clear"

It is not nice to call Kimberly Guifoyle a hooker

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

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This is a serious question. Are you assuming there is NO probable cause? What if there is probable cause - should they not raid bc he is a former president? What scenarios are you okay and not okay with this raid? Again, serious question.

Correct. They should not prosecute this “crime” precisely because he is a former president and prospective front runner. Because everyone knows that any prosecution is not actually about enforcing the Presidential Records Act, it is instead a pure power play. And power plays are returned in kind by the other side. This is exactly how civil wars start.

So any President can commit any crime whatsoever because investigating them could cause a civil war? That’s a recipe for a banana republic.

Do you think that there, just maybe, is a spectrum of criminal violations and that, if so, that records retention rules might be on the “not so important” end of that spectrum?

Honest question, if the next GOP president decides to audit every prominent Democrat and then charge many of them with tax code violations, would you think that would be ok? Do you see how prosecuting trump could set a precedent that could lead to things like that? Honest question.

Why are you so sure this raid is solely about the Presidential Records Act? That is the reason that has leaked publically, which is convenient for the Justice Dept because that investigation was already known. However, given the dangerous precedent you describe, it’s highly unlikely that Merrick Garland’s Justice Dept would execute a search warrant/ pursue an indictment solely based on the violation of the PRA. It’s possible there were multiple crimes cited on the warrant that haven’t leaked. It’s also possible that the content of the illegally taken documents implicates Trump on more serious charges. We will not know this until indictments come out. The Justice Dept hasn’t had any leaks before taking such dramatic action. They aren’t going to leak about other investigations and tip their hats.

Perhaps the “records retention act” violation was a pretext to grab all the documents they could find, to go on a fishing expedition to find other potential crimes to charge him with.

According to reports, the Archives was concerned about the nature and subject of missing documents that were so sensitiive that they could not be itemized in the warrant. This isn't a fishing expedition, that isn't how the warrants work. Stop watching Fox.

Really now?

Really. Now.

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Anonymous wrote:Fact:

Very true. Not sure how anyone can argue with that.

Answer one very simple question:

Why was trump trying to flush documents down a toilet?

Video please? If you told me that Hillary tried to do same, I'd ask for video too. A photo with a document at the bottom of an unflushed toilet is a photo op and nothing else.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

Oh so this is scary and not the attempt of a coup, the fake electors and all the new laws in some states to overturn the will of the people by legislators?

That’s not why the FBI searched his house. It was for alleged violations of the “Presidential Records Act.” Election disputes are common throughout our history, but a former president (let alone one who can run for another term) has NEVER been charged in our history. Do you doubt that the next republican would start charging democrats? Anyone can be charged with something. I wonder how many sitting democratic senators have ever violated federal records retention laws?

Do you understand that there needs to be clear evidence of crimes to get a federal search warrant on anyone, particularly a former President who’s constantly blathering about running again?

Yes, and do you understand that we have thousands of laws in this country and that prosecutors could find a violation to prosecute anyone they want? Literally anyone. Do you really think that the *reason* the FBI is going after him is solely because they are worried about the “Presidential Records Act”?

This is really, really dangerous stuff.

I must admit that I don’t understand what is dangerous about finding evidence of a crime, asking a judge for a warrant, and then executing the warrant. That happens multiple times a day, every day, in this country.

Ok. Do you understand history? Do you understand what happened to the Roman republic and what the actual causes of its fall were? How about the many other counties that have fallen into dictatorship after a cycle of political prosecutions?

DP. Biden isn't the one doing this. Do you realize that? Of course you do, but you aren't thinking about what that means.

Think about what that means.

Ironically it is trump appointed Christopher Wray who would be "blamed" for authorizing the raid. It also would require Garland and a Federal Judge.

Who’s the judge?

Not sure we know which judge signed the warrant since Trump hasn’t shown us the warrant.

Who signed the warrant is definitely out there.

There’s plenty of allegations about it, but Trump has not produced the warrant so we don’t actually know.

[Anonymous]

I cannot believe how Republicans are still defending this treasonous man who was our president! He has made our country unsafe. He cow towed to Putin (how can we forget Helsinki when he sided with Putin over our own national security) and kissed North Korea's ass. If a Democrat had done this I would be up in arms. I am a staunch Democrat but I am a patriot before party.

And everybody who saying this would not happen to a Democrat this is some sort of witchhunt on Trump, what about the fact that there was an investigation on Hillary Clinton two weeks before an election? And I need to remind everybody that the head of the FBI is a trump appointee. The judge who signed the warrant is more than likely also a trump appointee and that's why he's not showing the warrant with the judges name.

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that FBI agents went to Mar-a-Lago and looked in every single office, safe, and grabbed documents and boxes without going through them on the property. They took boxes and documents to go through them later.

No matter your politics, no one has an issue with this? The police taking stuff just to see if anything is there? Wow.

to do that you need a warrant. To get a warrant you have to show reasonable cause.

Warrants are very specific, you can not take everything "just in case"

Who said the FBI took anything not specified in the warrant?

Well if you read what you are replying to you'd notice

grabbed documents and boxes without going through them on the property. They took boxes and documents to go through them later.

note the words "to go through later". no search warrant would allow you to grab boxes without spelling out the contents

What are those words quoting?

The original CNN article

The original CNN article quoting a source close to Trump. Of course a source close to Trump is going to assess the situation that way. Doesn’t mean it’s true.
“A source familiar told Fox News that FBI agents went to Mar-a-Lago and looked in every single office, safe, and grabbed documents and boxes without going through them on the property. They took boxes and documents to go through them later.

"They were not being judicious about what they took," the source told Fox News.”

#ReleaseTheWarrant

Trump has the warrant and can release it anytime he wants.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A Nat Sec friend made an interesting point to me. The Biden WH may be at a disadvantage in international/national security matters because they are missing critical information (conversations, agreements, intelligence from 2017-21) which Trump took with him.

lol, so as usual, when Biden messes up, "It's Trumps fault"

So, you're saying it's *not* Trump's fault if Trump took critical national security information with him? You're a weirdo.

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Anonymous wrote:A Nat Sec friend made an interesting point to me. The Biden WH may be at a disadvantage in international/national security matters because they are missing critical information (conversations, agreements, intelligence from 2017-21) which Trump took with him.

This is why it is important to elect people who have our national interests at heart, regardless of party.

This is ALL on the GOP.

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Anonymous wrote:How stupid do you have to be to hide evidence in your house?

Oh, rhetorical question

As stupid as someone who flushes papers despite living in a house with 28 fireplaces.

Didn't he allegedly eat his notes at least once?

He ripped them, burnt them, ate some and flushed others.

Republicans are gutter voters.

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Anonymous wrote:A Nat Sec friend made an interesting point to me. The Biden WH may be at a disadvantage in international/national security matters because they are missing critical information (conversations, agreements, intelligence from 2017-21) which Trump took with him.

lol, so as usual, when Biden messes up, "It's Trumps fault"

How did Biden mess up when Trump is the one who stole the documents (and is likely auctioning them to the highest bidder)? Can you even register what’s happening right now or are on your own planet?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Federal investigators - including the chief of the DOJ counterintelligence section - met with Trump's lawyers at Mar-a-lago in June and SAW MORE BOXES THERE. It appears that Trump was flat out refusing to turn over some documents, including some marked Top Secret.

In early June, a handful of investigators made a rare visit to the property seeking more information about potentially classified material from Trump’s time in the White House that had been taken to Florida. The four investigators, including Jay Bratt, the chief of the counterintelligence and export control section at the Justice Department, sat down with two of Trump’s attorneys, Bobb and Evan Corcoran, according to a source present for the meeting.

At the beginning of the meeting, Trump stopped by and greeted the investigators near a dining room. After he left, without answering any questions, the investigators asked the attorneys if they could see where Trump was storing the documents. The attorneys took the investigators to the basement room where the boxes of materials were being stored, and the investigators looked around the room before eventually leaving, according to the source.

A second source said that Trump came in to say hi and made small talk but left while the attorneys spoke with investigators. The source said some of the documents shown to investigators had top secret markings.

Five days later, on June 8, Trump’s attorneys received a letter from investigators asking them to further secure the room where the documents were stored. Aides subsequently added a padlock to the room.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/08/politics/mar-a-lago-search-warrant-fbi-donald-trump/index.html

This isn't just about simply mishandling a couple of documents if the Chief of Counterintelligence and Export Control was there in June. Here is the explanation of what Counterintelligence and Export Control does:

Counterintelligence and Export Control Section

The Counterintelligence and Export Control Section (CES) supervises the investigation and prosecution of cases affecting national security, foreign relations, and the export of military and strategic commodities and technology. The Section has executive responsibility for authorizing the prosecution of cases under criminal statutes relating to espionage, sabotage, neutrality, and atomic energy. It provides legal advice to U.S. Attorney's Offices and investigative agencies on all matters within its area of responsibility, which includes 88 federal statutes affecting national security. It also coordinates criminal cases involving the application of the Classified Information Procedures Act. In addition, the Section administers and enforces the Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938 and related disclosure statutes.

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Anonymous wrote:Remarkable that there were no leaks about this.

And Trump was the one who got the word out. So, he must be running scared and is trying to whip up everyone to come to his defense. (And even his most ardent supporters must be getting tired of defending him.).

It seems unlikely that this is “just” that he packed up classified docs when he left the White House because then surely he would have just handed them back. Why save classified docs??

They've already retrieved/he's already handed back many boxes of classified docs over the past few months. But apparently there were more that they wanted, or wanted to make sure that he had, or hadn't given away.

The GSA packed boxes marked classified and shipped them to Mar a Lago. Trump did not pack them or order them packed. White House Counsel also didn’t declassify the material in the boxes when Trump told them to (The White House counsel failed to generate the paperwork to change the classification markings) NARA then deliberately identified them as classified to the media, when in truth, the FBI has had access to these documents for months. Remember, the president has unilateral authority to declassify documents — anything in government and he exercised that right. The media then put out to the public that Trump 'stole' classified information to justify a raid on Mar A Lago. That's it in a nutshell. There is documented evidence of GSA packing the boxes and a paper trail showing WH Counsel did not declassify. In addition: NARA is only temporary custodian of a president's old White House archives until all those records are transferred back to president, once his presidential library is built. All the classified papers are returned to the former president. So why were the papers shipped to Mar-A-Lago by GSA in the first place? You can't tell me that the GSA didn't know their job? Please!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As president, he could declassify anything on a whim. I don’t know what this means if they find something there now.

There’s a process to declassifying things. You can’t steal United States property and then just say it’s declassified.

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Anonymous wrote:WaPo says the Feds are probing the “potential mishandling of classified documents that were shipped to Mara Lago”.
WTH does that mean?

I would imagine he took stuff home that he wasn’t allowed to.

Like furniture?