Half of British women reach age 30 without having a child

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Anonymous wrote:Sex and the City gets a lot of the credit for glamorizing an actually terribly depressing way to squander your 20s and 30s but Chelsea Handler was also a big influencer in this regard. Her books, boasting about drinking, drugs, one-night stands and abortions were best sellers and her E! show, from '07 to '14, was wildly popular. Chelsea is now a rich and lonely 47 year old; unmarried and childless. This weekend she was in the hospital, all alone. She had to postpone her "Horny tour." Living the dream, amirite.

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LOL. You think people made lifestyle choices based on SATC and Chelsea Handler?

Lolololol.

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I was ready at 30 to have a baby but no men my age I met was interested. Of all my friends and acquaintances the earliest-age dad I personally knew was 39.

We were all just having too damn much fun!

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Agree immigrants will be the ones mostly populating the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sex and the City gets a lot of the credit for glamorizing an actually terribly depressing way to squander your 20s and 30s but Chelsea Handler was also a big influencer in this regard. Her books, boasting about drinking, drugs, one-night stands and abortions were best sellers and her E! show, from '07 to '14, was wildly popular. Chelsea is now a rich and lonely 47 year old; unmarried and childless. This weekend she was in the hospital, all alone. She had to postpone her "Horny tour." Living the dream, amirite.

How do you know she was lonely? Having kids so someone might feel obligated to visit you in a hospital is sad. Find a better reason to have children or stay child free.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree immigrants will be the ones mostly populating the US.

Just like in olden times.

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Anonymous wrote:[bquote=Anonymous]Nothing less than two high-powered business executives, white show law firm attorneys, or surgeons for my son or daughter AND their spouse! That way they can both be stressed out, work relentless hours, and pay strangers to raise their kids! If my child or their spouse becomes something "pink" like a $100k nurse or $75k inner-city public school teacher with summers, holidays and weekends off, I will NOT pay for the wedding!

Big law partner here. The job is not compatible with two Big law partners or similar jobs. I know there are examples out there but I am not sure how the family would function. If you had substantial hired and family help it can be done. Otherwise it can't. Two working spouse -- sure -- two each making 2 million a year and travelling every week and working 40-80 hours a week depending? Who would want that. If you found yourself in that situation because you both were great then of course you could deal. But again, who would want to?

"Cause they both have big egos? You're right, substantial hired help. Two kids. Equity partner at Covington and i won't mention the other firm.

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Anonymous wrote:Sex and the City gets a lot of the credit for glamorizing an actually terribly depressing way to squander your 20s and 30s but Chelsea Handler was also a big influencer in this regard. Her books, boasting about drinking, drugs, one-night stands and abortions were best sellers and her E! show, from '07 to '14, was wildly popular. Chelsea is now a rich and lonely 47 year old; unmarried and childless. This weekend she was in the hospital, all alone. She had to postpone her "Horny tour." Living the dream, amirite.

How do you know she was lonely? Having kids so someone might feel obligated to visit you in a hospital is sad. Find a better reason to have children or stay child free.

She wasn't actually alone, she was surrounded by her family (siblings, nieces and nephews) as well as her steady boyfriend who was with her the whole time. I don't think she has had much influence on young women overall, but regardless, she actually seems to be a great example of someone who didn't marry and have kids but who is basically the linchpin of her original family and who is deeply rooted in her community and friend circle in a way someone with other obligations couldn't be. She is not a sad sack to be pitied.

And yes, I am married and have kids. Both of those things have made me a more selfish person who doesn't have time to maintain some of the relationships that someone like Chelsea does.

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Anonymous wrote:Also she brags about her 21 year old daughter who married a med student. So old school. I would rather that my daughter was the doctor, not the doctors wife.

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Didn't gen X nana say her oldest daughter was an RN or a teacher? Hardly an insignificant career, with both requiring a master's degree and offering great pay vis a vis work-life balance, plus great health care and fringe benefits. You jaded spinsters – and don't deny that you're not, you're fooling no one – are twisting everything to paint her as low class white trash, with a barefoot and pregnant SAHM 20-something daughter and some budding MD son in law who of course cheats on her with classmates and will divorce her to marry some surgeon or lawyer. Your cynicism suggests you're deeply unhappy.

You don't have to be jaded or a spinster to realize that women have other options than pink color jobs (nursing, teaching) or marrying a doctor. Come into the 21st century, please.

Not that there's anything wrong with those things, but you and the Brunch Granny seem to think that everyone should be content with the same options we had 75 years ago.

Nearly all actual parents, of both girls and boys, would love for their children to become a college educated school teacher or registered nurse married to a medical doctor. On what freakin' planet do you live on that this outcome would be a disappointment or in any way retrograde? Teachers can become six-figure administrators, nurses can segue into management and make a million bucks a year. You are off your rocker, perhaps blinded by disdain and bitterness.

LOL, okay. Sorry, I don't know any nurses who make a million bucks a year. The Granny wants every woman to shut up and get married and pregnant in their early 20s. They are allowed to have a career if it comes second to their Number One Jobs as Babymaker and Wife, soon to be Grandmother. And she (and you) insult anyone who suggests that it's okay for people to choose a different path.

+1. This is the problem.

I don't care if women have babies at 22 or 42. I don't care if they become nurses, teachers, doctors, CEOs, or SAHMs. I don't care if they marry a doctor or a SAHD. I respect that each woman can decide what is best for her.

Brunch Granny wants ALL women to forgo career building and having fun in their 20s, instead marrying and having babies by their early 20s, no exceptions. Despite multiple women telling her that they are quite happy with how their lives turned out with waiting until their 30s/40s to settle down.

She is either a troll, or has some sort of mental illness, because ranting how all women need to stop watching SATC and live their lives exactly the way she did isn't normal behavior.

And, once again, except for Samantha, every woman on this show was about finding a man. Every episode was about finding a man, being with a man, being dumped by a man, dumping a man. To paraphrase from a fave movie: "She keeps using that show. I do not think it depicts what she thinks it depicts.”

[Anonymous]

Never mind England alone:

- the world population will top out / peak, at well before 2050. Maybe as soon as 2040 or even 2035.

The UN is wrong. Their prediction of growth right up to 2100 is way, way off:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/27/what-goes-up-population-crisis-wrong-fertility-rates-decline

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Never mind England alone:

- the world population will top out / peak, at well before 2050. Maybe as soon as 2040 or even 2035.

The UN is wrong. Their prediction of growth right up to 2100 is way, way off:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/27/what-goes-up-population-crisis-wrong-fertility-rates-decline

Good. Too many earthlings.

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Anonymous wrote:Never mind England alone:

- the world population will top out / peak, at well before 2050. Maybe as soon as 2040 or even 2035.

The UN is wrong. Their prediction of growth right up to 2100 is way, way off:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/27/what-goes-up-population-crisis-wrong-fertility-rates-decline

Good. Too many earthlings.

Too many humans

Not enough elephants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LOL. You think people made lifestyle choices based on SATC and Chelsea Handler?

Lolololol.

Yes, pop culture influences people. Chelsea Handler is a washed up old bag now but she was wildly popular and influential for about a 10 year run.

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Anonymous wrote:Never mind England alone:

- the world population will top out / peak, at well before 2050. Maybe as soon as 2040 or even 2035.

The UN is wrong. Their prediction of growth right up to 2100 is way, way off:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/27/what-goes-up-population-crisis-wrong-fertility-rates-decline

Good. Too many earthlings.

Too many humans

Not enough elephants.

Best thing I have ever read on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

Agree way way too many low-income immigrants who will demand more and more free services.

We need to be like many other countries and admit only high-skilled or high-income immigrants.