Is Shakespeare not taught in DCPS?

[Anonymous]

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Not all of us are part of the western heritage. The majority of the city isn’t. You know your bigotry is showing with this post.

Something tells me you were not aware it is called the western literary canon. Are you the 22 year old, Lady Cannon by any chance?

Seriously, how can you be so righteuous and ignorant at the same time? I guess if you weren't so ignorant, you'd have some doubt that you are in posession of a profound truth.

This about it deeply for a while, doesn't that make you a bigot?

Just to help with the thoght process:
bigotry = obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction

Nope not me, but go on. Still waiting for someone to criticize my book list.
And I agree with pp to the extent of children need to see themselves in a little bit of what they read, not just in slavery,bombings, racism, etc.

Oh stop with the sick puppet posting, it’s obvious it’s the same person.

How do you know? You seem so hostile. Maybe curl up w some tea and Shakespeare and calm down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:God, some of you are so pathetic. Your kid will read some Shakespeare and please don’t act like your kid will magically get smarter by reading it.

In your expert opinion, what books are making our kids smarter? Harry Potter? Oh no, that's with the author that doesn't support trans rights... Soon only the books on Lady Cannon's list will be approved staples for consumption lol.

Unless you are saying kids should not read books anymore, since they don't get them smarter by reading them.

I beg to differ, reading 100 books from the canon will make them smarter, happier and more interesting human beings.

I posted some books already, I can’t be bothered again. (Not white supremacy books lol)

And again, why are you acting like you’re under 25 and your brain hasn’t fully developed? Did I say reading in general doesn’t help you grow? No, I said Shakespeare.
I also said some will be read anyway.

Why do you keep referencing HP? Do you not know any other modern authors lmao. No wonder you love Shakespeare so much, must be the era in which you transmigrated from.

Please, no more book suggestions, enough damage has been done already!

Thank you for the clarfication, just to make sure I got it right, reading in general does help one grow, just not Shakespeare. Some will read anyway, against your advice, but... no gains! Got it!

Harry Potter is referenced as a stand in for popular but low quality books. There is the argument that at least it gets kids reading instead of playing video games. The opposing view is as useless and facile reading. Saying it belongs to the English literature class as a serious study, is a trolling joke. Same with Wimpy Kid, these are books that elementary school students read. If you haven't figured out this by now, sigh....

Shakespeare stands in for timeless books that are part of the cultural heritage of humanity, the so called western literary canon. Books that are remarcable by their mastery of language, originality, books that changed how we think, the stories we tell to each other etc.

Dickens was popular and low quality at the time (I still consider him low quality and trite). His serials were published in newspapers, and he was paid by the word. They were basically the 19th century soap opera (especially with the drama of EVERYTHING IS ALWAYS GETTING WORSE! Oh look, it looks like things might be getting better! A fresh crust of bread! JUST KIDDING THE BREAD IS MAGGOTS AND YOU HAVE DYSENTERY).

This is how we ended up with depressing tomes like Bleak House.

I love Bleak House, but that wouldn't be my first choice for introducing Dickens to students. When I taught 6th grade at Murch we read Oliver Twist as part of an integrated unit on the Industrial Revolution. Back in the day teachers were allowed to enrich the curriculum. Now we are forced to stick to the thin gruel determined by DCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:and just like w any dcum thread

If you question white people, white standards, white hegemony they get testy

Keep your kid reading Shakespeare and I’m sure they will be happy, successful adults with amazing critical thinking skills like you

Lady Cannon, you found out about the literary canon existence last week. Last evening you also found out that sometimes is it also called the western canon. Today you are fighting white supremacy, because how kids see themselves described in the books they read.

Just to point again how stupid your comments are, you want students to study Tales of Genji, a Japanese work, in the English literature class!

Now for you bragging posts, the intern that brings the coffee is not a professional, 22 year olds are not professionals either, they start at a junior level positions, and through years of hard work become professionals. Nothing to be ashamed of, thats the career trajectory for most people. Also, K street professional is an oxymoron.

100 books this year alone huh? coloring books don't count . Most people I know, true professionals, not the fake forum variety, have read maybe a quarter to a half of the canon, depending on what lists you look at. But, here it comes the 22 year old blazing through tome after tome and putting them to shame. You dont write like and read 100 books a year, definitely don't organize your ideas well, or have the vocabulary to show for it. If that were the case, how do you confuse cannon with canon?

Old money and prep school? Doesn't matter to me, but since you brought it up, if you lie about your forum identity, the books you read, and your job, I'll take that with a grain of salt.

Please tell us more how you are questioning white people, white standards, and white hegemony. Care to elaborate what you mean by questioning and on what those white standards might be? Can you clarify the concept of white hegemony in the context of Shakespeare, and how minorities are affected by it? I think you only scratched the sufrace on this very important topic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Not all of us are part of the western heritage. The majority of the city isn’t. You know your bigotry is showing with this post.

Something tells me you were not aware it is called the western literary canon. Are you the 22 year old, Lady Cannon by any chance?

Seriously, how can you be so righteuous and ignorant at the same time? I guess if you weren't so ignorant, you'd have some doubt that you are in posession of a profound truth.

This about it deeply for a while, doesn't that make you a bigot?

Just to help with the thoght process:
bigotry = obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction

Nope not me, but go on. Still waiting for someone to criticize my book list.
And I agree with pp to the extent of children need to see themselves in a little bit of what they read, not just in slavery,bombings, racism, etc.

Oh stop with the sick puppet posting, it’s obvious it’s the same person.

How do you know? You seem so hostile. Maybe curl up w some tea and Shakespeare and calm down.

Because someone with a genuine different identity would respond exactly with ‘How do you know?’ and start their posts with ‘Nope, not me’. Your incoherent rambling style is coming through really well too.

Lady Cannon, therapy and medication will help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:and just like w any dcum thread

If you question white people, white standards, white hegemony they get testy

Keep your kid reading Shakespeare and I’m sure they will be happy, successful adults with amazing critical thinking skills like you

Lady Cannon, you found out about the literary canon existence last week. Last evening you also found out that sometimes is it also called the western canon. Today you are fighting white supremacy, because how kids see themselves described in the books they read.

Just to point again how stupid your comments are, you want students to study Tales of Genji, a Japanese work, in the English literature class!

Now for you bragging posts, the intern that brings the coffee is not a professional, 22 year olds are not professionals either, they start at a junior level positions, and through years of hard work become professionals. Nothing to be ashamed of, thats the career trajectory for most people. Also, K street professional is an oxymoron.

100 books this year alone huh? coloring books don't count . Most people I know, true professionals, not the fake forum variety, have read maybe a quarter to a half of the canon, depending on what lists you look at. But, here it comes the 22 year old blazing through tome after tome and putting them to shame. You dont write like and read 100 books a year, definitely don't organize your ideas well, or have the vocabulary to show for it. If that were the case, how do you confuse cannon with canon?

Old money and prep school? Doesn't matter to me, but since you brought it up, if you lie about your forum identity, the books you read, and your job, I'll take that with a grain of salt.

Please tell us more how you are questioning white people, white standards, and white hegemony. Care to elaborate what you mean by questioning and on what those white standards might be? Can you clarify the concept of white hegemony in the context of Shakespeare, and how minorities are affected by it? I think you only scratched the sufrace on this very important topic.

You are responding to multiple people but acting as though we are one person. I’m sure the admin of DCUM can confirm we are not and even if he does not, I have no reason to form a petty lie.

And if you do not understand that children only reading literature by white people in school is a problem, you are too far up your own bum for anyone to pull you out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Not all of us are part of the western heritage. The majority of the city isn’t. You know your bigotry is showing with this post.

Something tells me you were not aware it is called the western literary canon. Are you the 22 year old, Lady Cannon by any chance?

Seriously, how can you be so righteuous and ignorant at the same time? I guess if you weren't so ignorant, you'd have some doubt that you are in posession of a profound truth.

This about it deeply for a while, doesn't that make you a bigot?

Just to help with the thoght process:
bigotry = obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction

Nope not me, but go on. Still waiting for someone to criticize my book list.
And I agree with pp to the extent of children need to see themselves in a little bit of what they read, not just in slavery,bombings, racism, etc.

Oh stop with the sick puppet posting, it’s obvious it’s the same person.

How do you know? You seem so hostile. Maybe curl up w some tea and Shakespeare and calm down.

Because someone with a genuine different identity would respond exactly with ‘How do you know?’ and start their posts with ‘Nope, not me’. Your incoherent rambling style is coming through really well too.

Lady Cannon, therapy and medication will help.

This was also not me lol. And that is indeed how I responded, I’m sorry you think you know me from some random posts but I can assure you that you don’t.

I’m not sure why you also want all those posts to be me? Does it justify your ignorance and lack of knowledge about the present somehow? If you have a child in HS, I assume you aren’t even an old millennial, I just hope the generation before me won’t be as ignorant as some of their predecessors. This makes me sad, you are so in your own bubble that you cannot get the message that I have been saying. Maybe diversity doesn’t mean anything to you because you are that kind of uncultured white person but it means a lot to me.

There is room for Shakespeare and others, perhaps English literature should just be literature.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So I assume we do the Christian Bible too (with Apocrypha, not just Torah/Mishnah, of course). Wouldn't want to skip any books because otherwise you'd miss allusions from Ruth to Revelation as you watch NCIS.

not sure if you’re being sarcastic - but yes, some study of Biblical motifs would definitely be part of a great English curriculum. And of course this ties right into broadening the canon, since so many slavery narratives, hymns, etc, draw on Biblical motifs. It would actually be a fantastic lens to build a class around the connections between African American lit and the traditional canon.

+1 if you haven't studied the Bible as a literary text, you have a huge gap in your education. It forms the basis of so much literature, philosophy, theology, history, current events, etc. Its like going to see the musical "Something Rotten!" having never read Shakespeare. You can't figure out why everyone else is laughing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Now I get this thread.

The people hear whining about Shakespeare and DWM are the same people who buy books for their shelves so they look smart but haven’t read any of the books

Not debating the merits of teaching Shakespeare or not. I will say that women defend the patriarchy, male authors, all male panels because it’s what they know and therefore comfortable.

To the person who said you can’t read the cannon as it’s 500-1000 books. Wait what? How many books do you read a year? How old are you? I’m 100 plus books in already this year. I read a history book yesterday and reading a book on totalitarianism now. Do you read that slow or do you hate reading?

Go sulk that your kid didn’t get the same education the exact same way you did. Clearly that education gave you the critical thinking skills so don’t defend the status quo, have great time management skills and know how to effect change for all.

But yea I’m lady cannon or a 22 year old. I’m a K St professional, prep school educated, old DC money.

What does old DC money have to do with anything?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:and just like w any dcum thread

If you question white people, white standards, white hegemony they get testy

Keep your kid reading Shakespeare and I’m sure they will be happy, successful adults with amazing critical thinking skills like you

Lady Cannon, you found out about the literary canon existence last week. Last evening you also found out that sometimes is it also called the western canon. Today you are fighting white supremacy, because how kids see themselves described in the books they read.

Just to point again how stupid your comments are, you want students to study Tales of Genji, a Japanese work, in the English literature class!

Now for you bragging posts, the intern that brings the coffee is not a professional, 22 year olds are not professionals either, they start at a junior level positions, and through years of hard work become professionals. Nothing to be ashamed of, thats the career trajectory for most people. Also, K street professional is an oxymoron.

100 books this year alone huh? coloring books don't count . Most people I know, true professionals, not the fake forum variety, have read maybe a quarter to a half of the canon, depending on what lists you look at. But, here it comes the 22 year old blazing through tome after tome and putting them to shame. You dont write like and read 100 books a year, definitely don't organize your ideas well, or have the vocabulary to show for it. If that were the case, how do you confuse cannon with canon?

Old money and prep school? Doesn't matter to me, but since you brought it up, if you lie about your forum identity, the books you read, and your job, I'll take that with a grain of salt.

Please tell us more how you are questioning white people, white standards, and white hegemony. Care to elaborate what you mean by questioning and on what those white standards might be? Can you clarify the concept of white hegemony in the context of Shakespeare, and how minorities are affected by it? I think you only scratched the sufrace on this very important topic.

You are responding to multiple people but acting as though we are one person. I’m sure the admin of DCUM can confirm we are not and even if he does not, I have no reason to form a petty lie.

And if you do not understand that children only reading literature by white people in school is a problem, you are too far up your own bum for anyone to pull you out.

Do most schools have English literature classes specifically?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:and just like w any dcum thread

If you question white people, white standards, white hegemony they get testy

Keep your kid reading Shakespeare and I’m sure they will be happy, successful adults with amazing critical thinking skills like you

Lady Cannon, you found out about the literary canon existence last week. Last evening you also found out that sometimes is it also called the western canon. Today you are fighting white supremacy, because how kids see themselves described in the books they read.

Just to point again how stupid your comments are, you want students to study Tales of Genji, a Japanese work, in the English literature class!

Now for you bragging posts, the intern that brings the coffee is not a professional, 22 year olds are not professionals either, they start at a junior level positions, and through years of hard work become professionals. Nothing to be ashamed of, thats the career trajectory for most people. Also, K street professional is an oxymoron.

100 books this year alone huh? coloring books don't count . Most people I know, true professionals, not the fake forum variety, have read maybe a quarter to a half of the canon, depending on what lists you look at. But, here it comes the 22 year old blazing through tome after tome and putting them to shame. You dont write like and read 100 books a year, definitely don't organize your ideas well, or have the vocabulary to show for it. If that were the case, how do you confuse cannon with canon?

Old money and prep school? Doesn't matter to me, but since you brought it up, if you lie about your forum identity, the books you read, and your job, I'll take that with a grain of salt.

Please tell us more how you are questioning white people, white standards, and white hegemony. Care to elaborate what you mean by questioning and on what those white standards might be? Can you clarify the concept of white hegemony in the context of Shakespeare, and how minorities are affected by it? I think you only scratched the sufrace on this very important topic.

You are responding to multiple people but acting as though we are one person. I’m sure the admin of DCUM can confirm we are not and even if he does not, I have no reason to form a petty lie.

And if you do not understand that children only reading literature by white people in school is a problem, you are too far up your own bum for anyone to pull you out.

New poster. I'd like to understand how it is a problem, you mentioned that the new generation needs to challenge white standards and white hegemony, I'm totally for disrupting the school to prison pipeline but how do we go about doing it? I mean, we should start at school first, since it comes before prison in the school to prison pipeline. That's where we need to focus at. We need to take a stand and fix everything that's problematic. If kids only see themselves in the books as slaves, bombings, and other bad things that happened, that can't be good for them. But if they only read DWM books, that men decided among themselves that are good, I think we need to change that. The white standards are the tests that all kids take and all the questions are from DWM books, that's not fair for the POC kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now I get this thread.

The people hear whining about Shakespeare and DWM are the same people who buy books for their shelves so they look smart but haven’t read any of the books

Not debating the merits of teaching Shakespeare or not. I will say that women defend the patriarchy, male authors, all male panels because it’s what they know and therefore comfortable.

To the person who said you can’t read the cannon as it’s 500-1000 books. Wait what? How many books do you read a year? How old are you? I’m 100 plus books in already this year. I read a history book yesterday and reading a book on totalitarianism now. Do you read that slow or do you hate reading?

Go sulk that your kid didn’t get the same education the exact same way you did. Clearly that education gave you the critical thinking skills so don’t defend the status quo, have great time management skills and know how to effect change for all.

But yea I’m lady cannon or a 22 year old. I’m a K St professional, prep school educated, old DC money.

What does old DC money have to do with anything?

It's supposed to prove how knowlegeable a person is. With new money, maybe I'd have a shadow of a doubt, but with old money, nope, it's all legit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:and just like w any dcum thread

If you question white people, white standards, white hegemony they get testy

Keep your kid reading Shakespeare and I’m sure they will be happy, successful adults with amazing critical thinking skills like you

Lady Cannon, you found out about the literary canon existence last week. Last evening you also found out that sometimes is it also called the western canon. Today you are fighting white supremacy, because how kids see themselves described in the books they read.

Just to point again how stupid your comments are, you want students to study Tales of Genji, a Japanese work, in the English literature class!

Now for you bragging posts, the intern that brings the coffee is not a professional, 22 year olds are not professionals either, they start at a junior level positions, and through years of hard work become professionals. Nothing to be ashamed of, thats the career trajectory for most people. Also, K street professional is an oxymoron.

100 books this year alone huh? coloring books don't count . Most people I know, true professionals, not the fake forum variety, have read maybe a quarter to a half of the canon, depending on what lists you look at. But, here it comes the 22 year old blazing through tome after tome and putting them to shame. You dont write like and read 100 books a year, definitely don't organize your ideas well, or have the vocabulary to show for it. If that were the case, how do you confuse cannon with canon?

Old money and prep school? Doesn't matter to me, but since you brought it up, if you lie about your forum identity, the books you read, and your job, I'll take that with a grain of salt.

Please tell us more how you are questioning white people, white standards, and white hegemony. Care to elaborate what you mean by questioning and on what those white standards might be? Can you clarify the concept of white hegemony in the context of Shakespeare, and how minorities are affected by it? I think you only scratched the sufrace on this very important topic.

You are responding to multiple people but acting as though we are one person. I’m sure the admin of DCUM can confirm we are not and even if he does not, I have no reason to form a petty lie.

And if you do not understand that children only reading literature by white people in school is a problem, you are too far up your own bum for anyone to pull you out.

New poster. I'd like to understand how it is a problem, you mentioned that the new generation needs to challenge white standards and white hegemony, I'm totally for disrupting the school to prison pipeline but how do we go about doing it? I mean, we should start at school first, since it comes before prison in the school to prison pipeline. That's where we need to focus at. We need to take a stand and fix everything that's problematic. If kids only see themselves in the books as slaves, bombings, and other bad things that happened, that can't be good for them. But if they only read DWM books, that men decided among themselves that are good, I think we need to change that. The white standards are the tests that all kids take and all the questions are from DWM books, that's not fair for the POC kids.

Like, I'm sort of with you on a lot of this but if you could go into a little bit more depth on the connection you see between school-to-prison and the "canon," I would appreciate it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:and just like w any dcum thread

If you question white people, white standards, white hegemony they get testy

Keep your kid reading Shakespeare and I’m sure they will be happy, successful adults with amazing critical thinking skills like you

Lady Cannon, you found out about the literary canon existence last week. Last evening you also found out that sometimes is it also called the western canon. Today you are fighting white supremacy, because how kids see themselves described in the books they read.

Just to point again how stupid your comments are, you want students to study Tales of Genji, a Japanese work, in the English literature class!

Now for you bragging posts, the intern that brings the coffee is not a professional, 22 year olds are not professionals either, they start at a junior level positions, and through years of hard work become professionals. Nothing to be ashamed of, thats the career trajectory for most people. Also, K street professional is an oxymoron.

100 books this year alone huh? coloring books don't count . Most people I know, true professionals, not the fake forum variety, have read maybe a quarter to a half of the canon, depending on what lists you look at. But, here it comes the 22 year old blazing through tome after tome and putting them to shame. You dont write like and read 100 books a year, definitely don't organize your ideas well, or have the vocabulary to show for it. If that were the case, how do you confuse cannon with canon?

Old money and prep school? Doesn't matter to me, but since you brought it up, if you lie about your forum identity, the books you read, and your job, I'll take that with a grain of salt.

Please tell us more how you are questioning white people, white standards, and white hegemony. Care to elaborate what you mean by questioning and on what those white standards might be? Can you clarify the concept of white hegemony in the context of Shakespeare, and how minorities are affected by it? I think you only scratched the sufrace on this very important topic.

You are responding to multiple people but acting as though we are one person. I’m sure the admin of DCUM can confirm we are not and even if he does not, I have no reason to form a petty lie.

And if you do not understand that children only reading literature by white people in school is a problem, you are too far up your own bum for anyone to pull you out.

Do most schools have English literature classes specifically?

It is called English Language Arts, we could drop English and call it Language Arts. Then the kids whose native laguage is not English will feel more included. I mean, US doesnt have an official language, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:and just like w any dcum thread

If you question white people, white standards, white hegemony they get testy

Keep your kid reading Shakespeare and I’m sure they will be happy, successful adults with amazing critical thinking skills like you

Lady Cannon, you found out about the literary canon existence last week. Last evening you also found out that sometimes is it also called the western canon. Today you are fighting white supremacy, because how kids see themselves described in the books they read.

Just to point again how stupid your comments are, you want students to study Tales of Genji, a Japanese work, in the English literature class!

Now for you bragging posts, the intern that brings the coffee is not a professional, 22 year olds are not professionals either, they start at a junior level positions, and through years of hard work become professionals. Nothing to be ashamed of, thats the career trajectory for most people. Also, K street professional is an oxymoron.

100 books this year alone huh? coloring books don't count . Most people I know, true professionals, not the fake forum variety, have read maybe a quarter to a half of the canon, depending on what lists you look at. But, here it comes the 22 year old blazing through tome after tome and putting them to shame. You dont write like and read 100 books a year, definitely don't organize your ideas well, or have the vocabulary to show for it. If that were the case, how do you confuse cannon with canon?

Old money and prep school? Doesn't matter to me, but since you brought it up, if you lie about your forum identity, the books you read, and your job, I'll take that with a grain of salt.

Please tell us more how you are questioning white people, white standards, and white hegemony. Care to elaborate what you mean by questioning and on what those white standards might be? Can you clarify the concept of white hegemony in the context of Shakespeare, and how minorities are affected by it? I think you only scratched the sufrace on this very important topic.

You are responding to multiple people but acting as though we are one person. I’m sure the admin of DCUM can confirm we are not and even if he does not, I have no reason to form a petty lie.

And if you do not understand that children only reading literature by white people in school is a problem, you are too far up your own bum for anyone to pull you out.

New poster. I'd like to understand how it is a problem, you mentioned that the new generation needs to challenge white standards and white hegemony, I'm totally for disrupting the school to prison pipeline but how do we go about doing it? I mean, we should start at school first, since it comes before prison in the school to prison pipeline. That's where we need to focus at. We need to take a stand and fix everything that's problematic. If kids only see themselves in the books as slaves, bombings, and other bad things that happened, that can't be good for them. But if they only read DWM books, that men decided among themselves that are good, I think we need to change that. The white standards are the tests that all kids take and all the questions are from DWM books, that's not fair for the POC kids.

Like, I'm sort of with you on a lot of this but if you could go into a little bit more depth on the connection you see between school-to-prison and the "canon," I would appreciate it.

I don't want to speak for the other posters in the forum, they can do it for themselves. The way I see it if all the books kids are reading in school are from the cannon of DWM (btw that is dead white male for those who don't know) they won't find themselves in the books, and won't develop a true passion for reading. We need to center POC experiences over white males, and I'm not saying replace, there will always be Shakespeare to read but at least add to the cannon. For the whiny moms, relax, your genious kid won't grow up without the books you had when you were growing up. Some posters put on some very good anti-rasist books, they should be taught, especially to people that don't know what white privilege is. Ok, maybe not english literature, but they would find a good place in social studies, or we can just call it literature and teach all those good books.

[Anonymous]

Canon.
For the love of all that is good and holy.