1st grade is a bad as we suspected

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Anonymous wrote:We have gotten off topic. Anyways… I teach third grade and about 60percent of my students are on a kindergarten or first grade level. It is pretty bad. I can honestly say that there is not much hope for them. I will give them lesson for kindergarten and first grade in small groups but whole group is 3rd grade. Students are writing letter backwards and can’t spell sight words. I just want to quit. Not because of the students but because of my own kids that I need to worry about educationally right now. School just isn’t cutting it as far as filling in the gaps.

NP. My 3rd grader is in AAP. He's bright but we saw a lot of regression last year and I noticed that he started reversing letters and numbers at the start of the school year, something he'd never done before. That has stopped now. Maybe he's finally beginning to catch up.

As a parent you need to work with your child.

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Anonymous wrote:You are delusional. What you are saying would only make sense for a sterilizing vaccine (vaccinated are totally immune to infection) with no animal reservoirs. Every person on earth could be vaccinated FORCIBLY and this thing would still be here.

Who cares? The point is to reduce ICU admissions, not to eliminate COVID. Note that I said it'll be endemic. It will literally never ever be eliminated. But we can't have morons using societal resources and then thinking their idiot selves get to make choices about whether or not vaccines are safe.

How many ICU admissions are being avoided by vaccinating healthy children or even healthy 20 something's? This is a money grab.

PP here, and I honestly do agree for the most part. That being said, we need to just go back to normal. Without masks for elementary school and younger AND their teachers. So if we need less community spread for people to be politically okay to do that, vaccinate the shit out of everyone. Not only fire people who won't get it, remove them entirely from society. The point is not whether it works or not - the point is that the American public is pretty stupid and and way too empowered - the average person needs to feel way less comfortable with pushing back against scientific recommendation.

The point I'm trying to make is actually about teachers and mask mandates - that teachers need to be in-person, unmasked every. single. day and mask mandates in educational settings must go. They should also be vaccine mandates for teachers. I really don't care if they get sick and die, but they could infect students. Finally, no one who is dumb enough to be anti-vaxx should be teaching anything (or employed at all).

You don't agree with me at all! You are an authoritarian! The point HAS to be whether it works or not, not about controlling people to the point of removing them from society. I am ashamed to share this country with people of your mindset.

The feeling is entirely mutual. And yea, at this point I don’t give a flying fig about anti-vaxxers (or their idiot enablers - looking at you). I’m not suggesting we should execute them, just require their vaccination as a condition of participating in anything publicly funded. Do you not drive on the right side of the road? There are a million things we are required to do to participate in society.

And I agree that this might be a money-making thing but frankly I don’t care. Get vaccinated or get out.

I’m fine with mandating the vaccine for students next school year, when fully approved, consistent with what has been done for other vaccines. Although I will vaccinate my kids sooner than that to avoid unnecessary quarantines, I don’t think it should be mandated under EUA to attend public school. Not worth the legal headaches and could ultimately be counterproductive.

PP here. I’m fine without mandating vaccination for kids under 12. But the teachers need to be vaccinated to protect the kids, or fired.

I believe it’s already mandated for teachers in our district and there is little pushback. But the problem with mandating the vaccine for some of these professions is that there is already a shortage of workers or very little margin for losing more. What’s worse for kids in an area with lower vaccine uptake- an unvaccinated teacher or the ramifications of losing, say, 30% of the teachers? Especially when families will soon have the option of getting their kids vaccinated.

Honestly, I think that losing the unvaccinated subset of teachers is the best possible outcome. What could these anti-vaxxers possibly be teaching the students that we want the kids to learn? Why should the more at-risk students be forced to have subpar teachers who are not intelligent, clearly? I do think the unvaccinated need to be prohibited from accessing publicly funded resources, like any sidewalk or road, not just fired, because losing one's job isn't enough of a deterrent.

What the states could do to offset is re-assign teachers from wealthier school districts to those that lose their teachers. Then, to make up for the teachers needing to commute and larger class sizes, cut 80% of extra crap like clubs, sports, parent-teacher conferences from every single school in the state. Don't make them respond to parent emails, deal with parent complaints, or differentiate instruction for white kids whose parents pushed them into honors classes. Get rid of all this online learning BS and having to upload grades/assignments constantly. Administrators should field and handle completely all parent issues. Unless it's a fire-able offense, let. it. go.

So basically, punish all the kids in the low-vax areas to make a point? I suspect that most parents who are highly supportive of mandates for teachers live in area where uptake is not a big issue.

Kids don't have the same risk profile as LTC facility residents and we need to stop treating them that way.

No, did you see where I suggested teachers move districts to offset harm to kids? But really I don’t care what happens as long as we agree to stop shutting down schools for anything Covid related and forcing toddlers and little kids to wear masks. Do whatever you need to do to feel comfortable with that but it needs to happen like yesterday.

So basically you have no rational ideas. No organization is going to risk losing 30% of its workforce especially when they already have a shortage of employees. Additionally you overestimate teacher’s willingness just to be reassigned to another district, not to mention the legality around such as teachers are district employees not state. And you greatly overestimate your neighboring parents willingness to share resources such as teachers. I guarantee they don’t want their class size going up.

Dimension assuming that teacher burnout is only for people teaching low-income students. Teachers get burned out teaching upper-middle-class kids to believe me.

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Anonymous wrote:I am very glad vax is coming soon for 5+. I know that age rarely gets very sick, but long term impacts of having covid are yet to be known. I have no interest in allowing my child to be part of that experience if I can help it, which thanks to science, I can help. Vaccinating our children protects them from long term impacts of covid, and allows society to get back to normal to include totally normal school. Its not just protecting old people.

!!! Long term impacts of the vaccine are even less known than long term covid effects.

If people have a reaction to a vaccine they have it right away. But a virus can stay in your system and lay dormant and then wreck you years later

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Anonymous wrote:2nd grade is only marginally better than first. The other grades seem less affected and surprisingly K seems more or less normal.

Why would that be surprising. Preschools were open all last year. Something elementary schools couldn't sort out.

Those kids are coming into K like normal.

Our preschool wasn’t open last year. My kid went to K without any preschool since midway through his 3yo year

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K is pretty normal for us. 2nd is a total mess with huge learning differentials in the kids for all sorts of reasons.

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Anonymous wrote:I am very glad vax is coming soon for 5+. I know that age rarely gets very sick, but long term impacts of having covid are yet to be known. I have no interest in allowing my child to be part of that experience if I can help it, which thanks to science, I can help. Vaccinating our children protects them from long term impacts of covid, and allows society to get back to normal to include totally normal school. Its not just protecting old people.

!!! Long term impacts of the vaccine are even less known than long term covid effects.

If people have a reaction to a vaccine they have it right away. But a virus can stay in your system and lay dormant and then wreck you years later

If Fox News and Russian trolls tell you so, it must be true!

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Anonymous wrote:I am very glad vax is coming soon for 5+. I know that age rarely gets very sick, but long term impacts of having covid are yet to be known. I have no interest in allowing my child to be part of that experience if I can help it, which thanks to science, I can help. Vaccinating our children protects them from long term impacts of covid, and allows society to get back to normal to include totally normal school. Its not just protecting old people.

!!! Long term impacts of the vaccine are even less known than long term covid effects.

If people have a reaction to a vaccine they have it right away. But a virus can stay in your system and lay dormant and then wreck you years later

Is this right? I'm no scientist either but what about the possibility that a vaccine messes up some susceptible people's immune system (susceptible either genetically or because of other medical interventions such as immunosuppressants they are receiving), then manifests as neurological or auto-immune or whatever other symptoms later on in life?

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Anonymous wrote:I am very glad vax is coming soon for 5+. I know that age rarely gets very sick, but long term impacts of having covid are yet to be known. I have no interest in allowing my child to be part of that experience if I can help it, which thanks to science, I can help. Vaccinating our children protects them from long term impacts of covid, and allows society to get back to normal to include totally normal school. Its not just protecting old people.

!!! Long term impacts of the vaccine are even less known than long term covid effects.

If people have a reaction to a vaccine they have it right away. But a virus can stay in your system and lay dormant and then wreck you years later

If Fox News and Russian trolls tell you so, it must be true!

Google post polio syndrome.

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Anonymous wrote:I am very glad vax is coming soon for 5+. I know that age rarely gets very sick, but long term impacts of having covid are yet to be known. I have no interest in allowing my child to be part of that experience if I can help it, which thanks to science, I can help. Vaccinating our children protects them from long term impacts of covid, and allows society to get back to normal to include totally normal school. Its not just protecting old people.

!!! Long term impacts of the vaccine are even less known than long term covid effects.

If people have a reaction to a vaccine they have it right away. But a virus can stay in your system and lay dormant and then wreck you years later

If Fox News and Russian trolls tell you so, it must be true!

Google post polio syndrome.

Or shingles

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Anonymous wrote:I am very glad vax is coming soon for 5+. I know that age rarely gets very sick, but long term impacts of having covid are yet to be known. I have no interest in allowing my child to be part of that experience if I can help it, which thanks to science, I can help. Vaccinating our children protects them from long term impacts of covid, and allows society to get back to normal to include totally normal school. Its not just protecting old people.

!!! Long term impacts of the vaccine are even less known than long term covid effects.

If people have a reaction to a vaccine they have it right away. But a virus can stay in your system and lay dormant and then wreck you years later

Is this right? I'm no scientist either but what about the possibility that a vaccine messes up some susceptible people's immune system (susceptible either genetically or because of other medical interventions such as immunosuppressants they are receiving), then manifests as neurological or auto-immune or whatever other symptoms later on in life?

Autoimmune disorders are much more likely to be caused by a virus.

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Anonymous wrote:I am very glad vax is coming soon for 5+. I know that age rarely gets very sick, but long term impacts of having covid are yet to be known. I have no interest in allowing my child to be part of that experience if I can help it, which thanks to science, I can help. Vaccinating our children protects them from long term impacts of covid, and allows society to get back to normal to include totally normal school. Its not just protecting old people.

!!! Long term impacts of the vaccine are even less known than long term covid effects.

If people have a reaction to a vaccine they have it right away. But a virus can stay in your system and lay dormant and then wreck you years later

If Fox News and Russian trolls tell you so, it must be true!

Google post polio syndrome.

Or shingles

Even strep

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Anonymous wrote:But what’s done is done and being mad won’t help anything. Everyone - schools, teachers, and parents - all need to be working to get the behind kids caught up and/or have them repeat a grade if necessary. The situation will not right itself on its own.

The #1 thing that needs to be done is to grit our teeth and say no to ICU admissions of 75+ year olds with 2.6 preexisting medical conditions instead of shutting down schools again. And it will come down to that, look at cases in highly vaccinated UK and Israel. We did not vaccinate our way out of the pandemic. We cannot let a couple floors in the hospital shut down society again. And it is not just education, it is also mental health, obesity and people's livelihoods on the line.

I was saying this in April 2020. This is the only answer.

- signed, an actual expert in rationing healthcare.

While I agree with all of the above I don't see how they corrects the educational problem we already have. Rationing care is not going to teach a first grader her letter sounds.

We need to immediately begin withholding care from the 75+ with 2.6 pre-existing medical conditions going forward, because it appears the moment there is a concern anywhere in the country about ICU beds being scarce, schools are at risk of shutting down.

We also need to remove all mask mandates in schools for both students and teachers because that is deleterious to a child's development, particularly younger children.

Basically, we need to stop caring if any adults die from this, forcibly vaccinate all eligible 12+ individuals and if children without serious pre-existing health conditions start actually dying then we can reconsider. Harsh but true if we ever want to see an end to this.

Yeah, absolutely not. Luckily you're not in charge and this is not going to happen whatsoever.

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Anonymous wrote:You are delusional. What you are saying would only make sense for a sterilizing vaccine (vaccinated are totally immune to infection) with no animal reservoirs. Every person on earth could be vaccinated FORCIBLY and this thing would still be here.

Who cares? The point is to reduce ICU admissions, not to eliminate COVID. Note that I said it'll be endemic. It will literally never ever be eliminated. But we can't have morons using societal resources and then thinking their idiot selves get to make choices about whether or not vaccines are safe.

How many ICU admissions are being avoided by vaccinating healthy children or even healthy 20 something's? This is a money grab.

PP here, and I honestly do agree for the most part. That being said, we need to just go back to normal. Without masks for elementary school and younger AND their teachers. So if we need less community spread for people to be politically okay to do that, vaccinate the shit out of everyone. Not only fire people who won't get it, remove them entirely from society. The point is not whether it works or not - the point is that the American public is pretty stupid and and way too empowered - the average person needs to feel way less comfortable with pushing back against scientific recommendation.

The point I'm trying to make is actually about teachers and mask mandates - that teachers need to be in-person, unmasked every. single. day and mask mandates in educational settings must go. They should also be vaccine mandates for teachers. I really don't care if they get sick and die, but they could infect students. Finally, no one who is dumb enough to be anti-vaxx should be teaching anything (or employed at all).

You don't agree with me at all! You are an authoritarian! The point HAS to be whether it works or not, not about controlling people to the point of removing them from society. I am ashamed to share this country with people of your mindset.

The feeling is entirely mutual. And yea, at this point I don’t give a flying fig about anti-vaxxers (or their idiot enablers - looking at you). I’m not suggesting we should execute them, just require their vaccination as a condition of participating in anything publicly funded. Do you not drive on the right side of the road? There are a million things we are required to do to participate in society.

And I agree that this might be a money-making thing but frankly I don’t care. Get vaccinated or get out.

I’m fine with mandating the vaccine for students next school year, when fully approved, consistent with what has been done for other vaccines. Although I will vaccinate my kids sooner than that to avoid unnecessary quarantines, I don’t think it should be mandated under EUA to attend public school. Not worth the legal headaches and could ultimately be counterproductive.

PP here. I’m fine without mandating vaccination for kids under 12. But the teachers need to be vaccinated to protect the kids, or fired.

I believe it’s already mandated for teachers in our district and there is little pushback. But the problem with mandating the vaccine for some of these professions is that there is already a shortage of workers or very little margin for losing more. What’s worse for kids in an area with lower vaccine uptake- an unvaccinated teacher or the ramifications of losing, say, 30% of the teachers? Especially when families will soon have the option of getting their kids vaccinated.

Honestly, I think that losing the unvaccinated subset of teachers is the best possible outcome. What could these anti-vaxxers possibly be teaching the students that we want the kids to learn? Why should the more at-risk students be forced to have subpar teachers who are not intelligent, clearly? I do think the unvaccinated need to be prohibited from accessing publicly funded resources, like any sidewalk or road, not just fired, because losing one's job isn't enough of a deterrent.

What the states could do to offset is re-assign teachers from wealthier school districts to those that lose their teachers. Then, to make up for the teachers needing to commute and larger class sizes, cut 80% of extra crap like clubs, sports, parent-teacher conferences from every single school in the state. Don't make them respond to parent emails, deal with parent complaints, or differentiate instruction for white kids whose parents pushed them into honors classes. Get rid of all this online learning BS and having to upload grades/assignments constantly. Administrators should field and handle completely all parent issues. Unless it's a fire-able offense, let. it. go.

So basically, punish all the kids in the low-vax areas to make a point? I suspect that most parents who are highly supportive of mandates for teachers live in area where uptake is not a big issue.

Kids don't have the same risk profile as LTC facility residents and we need to stop treating them that way.

No, did you see where I suggested teachers move districts to offset harm to kids? But really I don’t care what happens as long as we agree to stop shutting down schools for anything Covid related and forcing toddlers and little kids to wear masks. Do whatever you need to do to feel comfortable with that but it needs to happen like yesterday.

I have news for you. No one in the U.S. is sacrificing the lives of their parents so your precious, precious little diddums (who is precious only to you) can have in person school in buildings. No. One. Whatsoever.

So enjoy your little fantasy, but don't delude yourself that it's anything more than a fantasy.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am very glad vax is coming soon for 5+. I know that age rarely gets very sick, but long term impacts of having covid are yet to be known. I have no interest in allowing my child to be part of that experience if I can help it, which thanks to science, I can help. Vaccinating our children protects them from long term impacts of covid, and allows society to get back to normal to include totally normal school. Its not just protecting old people.

!!! Long term impacts of the vaccine are even less known than long term covid effects.

If people have a reaction to a vaccine they have it right away. But a virus can stay in your system and lay dormant and then wreck you years later

If Fox News and Russian trolls tell you so, it must be true!

No, your propaganda about "long tern impacts of the vaccine are even less known than long term COVID effects" is the garbage spewed from.FOX and Russian trolls, but hey, you tried.

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Anonymous wrote:You are delusional. What you are saying would only make sense for a sterilizing vaccine (vaccinated are totally immune to infection) with no animal reservoirs. Every person on earth could be vaccinated FORCIBLY and this thing would still be here.

Who cares? The point is to reduce ICU admissions, not to eliminate COVID. Note that I said it'll be endemic. It will literally never ever be eliminated. But we can't have morons using societal resources and then thinking their idiot selves get to make choices about whether or not vaccines are safe.

How many ICU admissions are being avoided by vaccinating healthy children or even healthy 20 something's? This is a money grab.

PP here, and I honestly do agree for the most part. That being said, we need to just go back to normal. Without masks for elementary school and younger AND their teachers. So if we need less community spread for people to be politically okay to do that, vaccinate the shit out of everyone. Not only fire people who won't get it, remove them entirely from society. The point is not whether it works or not - the point is that the American public is pretty stupid and and way too empowered - the average person needs to feel way less comfortable with pushing back against scientific recommendation.

The point I'm trying to make is actually about teachers and mask mandates - that teachers need to be in-person, unmasked every. single. day and mask mandates in educational settings must go. They should also be vaccine mandates for teachers. I really don't care if they get sick and die, but they could infect students. Finally, no one who is dumb enough to be anti-vaxx should be teaching anything (or employed at all).

You don't agree with me at all! You are an authoritarian! The point HAS to be whether it works or not, not about controlling people to the point of removing them from society. I am ashamed to share this country with people of your mindset.

The feeling is entirely mutual. And yea, at this point I don’t give a flying fig about anti-vaxxers (or their idiot enablers - looking at you). I’m not suggesting we should execute them, just require their vaccination as a condition of participating in anything publicly funded. Do you not drive on the right side of the road? There are a million things we are required to do to participate in society.

And I agree that this might be a money-making thing but frankly I don’t care. Get vaccinated or get out.

I’m fine with mandating the vaccine for students next school year, when fully approved, consistent with what has been done for other vaccines. Although I will vaccinate my kids sooner than that to avoid unnecessary quarantines, I don’t think it should be mandated under EUA to attend public school. Not worth the legal headaches and could ultimately be counterproductive.

PP here. I’m fine without mandating vaccination for kids under 12. But the teachers need to be vaccinated to protect the kids, or fired.

I believe it’s already mandated for teachers in our district and there is little pushback. But the problem with mandating the vaccine for some of these professions is that there is already a shortage of workers or very little margin for losing more. What’s worse for kids in an area with lower vaccine uptake- an unvaccinated teacher or the ramifications of losing, say, 30% of the teachers? Especially when families will soon have the option of getting their kids vaccinated.

Honestly, I think that losing the unvaccinated subset of teachers is the best possible outcome. What could these anti-vaxxers possibly be teaching the students that we want the kids to learn? Why should the more at-risk students be forced to have subpar teachers who are not intelligent, clearly? I do think the unvaccinated need to be prohibited from accessing publicly funded resources, like any sidewalk or road, not just fired, because losing one's job isn't enough of a deterrent.

What the states could do to offset is re-assign teachers from wealthier school districts to those that lose their teachers. Then, to make up for the teachers needing to commute and larger class sizes, cut 80% of extra crap like clubs, sports, parent-teacher conferences from every single school in the state. Don't make them respond to parent emails, deal with parent complaints, or differentiate instruction for white kids whose parents pushed them into honors classes. Get rid of all this online learning BS and having to upload grades/assignments constantly. Administrators should field and handle completely all parent issues. Unless it's a fire-able offense, let. it. go.

So basically, punish all the kids in the low-vax areas to make a point? I suspect that most parents who are highly supportive of mandates for teachers live in area where uptake is not a big issue.

Kids don't have the same risk profile as LTC facility residents and we need to stop treating them that way.

No, did you see where I suggested teachers move districts to offset harm to kids? But really I don’t care what happens as long as we agree to stop shutting down schools for anything Covid related and forcing toddlers and little kids to wear masks. Do whatever you need to do to feel comfortable with that but it needs to happen like yesterday.

I have news for you. No one in the U.S. is sacrificing the lives of their parents so your precious, precious little diddums (who is precious only to you) can have in person school in buildings. No. One. Whatsoever.

So enjoy your little fantasy, but don't delude yourself that it's anything more than a fantasy.

DPm. Have another coffee, friend.

And remember, our children are our future.