1st grade is a bad as we suspected

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Anonymous wrote:You are delusional. What you are saying would only make sense for a sterilizing vaccine (vaccinated are totally immune to infection) with no animal reservoirs. Every person on earth could be vaccinated FORCIBLY and this thing would still be here.

Who cares? The point is to reduce ICU admissions, not to eliminate COVID. Note that I said it'll be endemic. It will literally never ever be eliminated. But we can't have morons using societal resources and then thinking their idiot selves get to make choices about whether or not vaccines are safe.

How many ICU admissions are being avoided by vaccinating healthy children or even healthy 20 something's? This is a money grab.

PP here, and I honestly do agree for the most part. That being said, we need to just go back to normal. Without masks for elementary school and younger AND their teachers. So if we need less community spread for people to be politically okay to do that, vaccinate the shit out of everyone. Not only fire people who won't get it, remove them entirely from society. The point is not whether it works or not - the point is that the American public is pretty stupid and and way too empowered - the average person needs to feel way less comfortable with pushing back against scientific recommendation.

The point I'm trying to make is actually about teachers and mask mandates - that teachers need to be in-person, unmasked every. single. day and mask mandates in educational settings must go. They should also be vaccine mandates for teachers. I really don't care if they get sick and die, but they could infect students. Finally, no one who is dumb enough to be anti-vaxx should be teaching anything (or employed at all).

You don't agree with me at all! You are an authoritarian! The point HAS to be whether it works or not, not about controlling people to the point of removing them from society. I am ashamed to share this country with people of your mindset.

The feeling is entirely mutual. And yea, at this point I don’t give a flying fig about anti-vaxxers (or their idiot enablers - looking at you). I’m not suggesting we should execute them, just require their vaccination as a condition of participating in anything publicly funded. Do you not drive on the right side of the road? There are a million things we are required to do to participate in society.

And I agree that this might be a money-making thing but frankly I don’t care. Get vaccinated or get out.

I’m fine with mandating the vaccine for students next school year, when fully approved, consistent with what has been done for other vaccines. Although I will vaccinate my kids sooner than that to avoid unnecessary quarantines, I don’t think it should be mandated under EUA to attend public school. Not worth the legal headaches and could ultimately be counterproductive.

PP here. I’m fine without mandating vaccination for kids under 12. But the teachers need to be vaccinated to protect the kids, or fired.

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Anonymous wrote:You are delusional. What you are saying would only make sense for a sterilizing vaccine (vaccinated are totally immune to infection) with no animal reservoirs. Every person on earth could be vaccinated FORCIBLY and this thing would still be here.

Who cares? The point is to reduce ICU admissions, not to eliminate COVID. Note that I said it'll be endemic. It will literally never ever be eliminated. But we can't have morons using societal resources and then thinking their idiot selves get to make choices about whether or not vaccines are safe.

How many ICU admissions are being avoided by vaccinating healthy children or even healthy 20 something's? This is a money grab.

PP here, and I honestly do agree for the most part. That being said, we need to just go back to normal. Without masks for elementary school and younger AND their teachers. So if we need less community spread for people to be politically okay to do that, vaccinate the shit out of everyone. Not only fire people who won't get it, remove them entirely from society. The point is not whether it works or not - the point is that the American public is pretty stupid and and way too empowered - the average person needs to feel way less comfortable with pushing back against scientific recommendation.

The point I'm trying to make is actually about teachers and mask mandates - that teachers need to be in-person, unmasked every. single. day and mask mandates in educational settings must go. They should also be vaccine mandates for teachers. I really don't care if they get sick and die, but they could infect students. Finally, no one who is dumb enough to be anti-vaxx should be teaching anything (or employed at all).

You don't agree with me at all! You are an authoritarian! The point HAS to be whether it works or not, not about controlling people to the point of removing them from society. I am ashamed to share this country with people of your mindset.

The feeling is entirely mutual. And yea, at this point I don’t give a flying fig about anti-vaxxers (or their idiot enablers - looking at you). I’m not suggesting we should execute them, just require their vaccination as a condition of participating in anything publicly funded. Do you not drive on the right side of the road? There are a million things we are required to do to participate in society.

And I agree that this might be a money-making thing but frankly I don’t care. Get vaccinated or get out.

I’m fine with mandating the vaccine for students next school year, when fully approved, consistent with what has been done for other vaccines. Although I will vaccinate my kids sooner than that to avoid unnecessary quarantines, I don’t think it should be mandated under EUA to attend public school. Not worth the legal headaches and could ultimately be counterproductive.

PP here. I’m fine without mandating vaccination for kids under 12. But the teachers need to be vaccinated to protect the kids, or fired.

I believe it’s already mandated for teachers in our district and there is little pushback. But the problem with mandating the vaccine for some of these professions is that there is already a shortage of workers or very little margin for losing more. What’s worse for kids in an area with lower vaccine uptake- an unvaccinated teacher or the ramifications of losing, say, 30% of the teachers? Especially when families will soon have the option of getting their kids vaccinated.

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Anonymous wrote:You are delusional. What you are saying would only make sense for a sterilizing vaccine (vaccinated are totally immune to infection) with no animal reservoirs. Every person on earth could be vaccinated FORCIBLY and this thing would still be here.

Who cares? The point is to reduce ICU admissions, not to eliminate COVID. Note that I said it'll be endemic. It will literally never ever be eliminated. But we can't have morons using societal resources and then thinking their idiot selves get to make choices about whether or not vaccines are safe.

How many ICU admissions are being avoided by vaccinating healthy children or even healthy 20 something's? This is a money grab.

PP here, and I honestly do agree for the most part. That being said, we need to just go back to normal. Without masks for elementary school and younger AND their teachers. So if we need less community spread for people to be politically okay to do that, vaccinate the shit out of everyone. Not only fire people who won't get it, remove them entirely from society. The point is not whether it works or not - the point is that the American public is pretty stupid and and way too empowered - the average person needs to feel way less comfortable with pushing back against scientific recommendation.

The point I'm trying to make is actually about teachers and mask mandates - that teachers need to be in-person, unmasked every. single. day and mask mandates in educational settings must go. They should also be vaccine mandates for teachers. I really don't care if they get sick and die, but they could infect students. Finally, no one who is dumb enough to be anti-vaxx should be teaching anything (or employed at all).

You don't agree with me at all! You are an authoritarian! The point HAS to be whether it works or not, not about controlling people to the point of removing them from society. I am ashamed to share this country with people of your mindset.

The feeling is entirely mutual. And yea, at this point I don’t give a flying fig about anti-vaxxers (or their idiot enablers - looking at you). I’m not suggesting we should execute them, just require their vaccination as a condition of participating in anything publicly funded. Do you not drive on the right side of the road? There are a million things we are required to do to participate in society.

And I agree that this might be a money-making thing but frankly I don’t care. Get vaccinated or get out.

I’m fine with mandating the vaccine for students next school year, when fully approved, consistent with what has been done for other vaccines. Although I will vaccinate my kids sooner than that to avoid unnecessary quarantines, I don’t think it should be mandated under EUA to attend public school. Not worth the legal headaches and could ultimately be counterproductive.

PP here. I’m fine without mandating vaccination for kids under 12. But the teachers need to be vaccinated to protect the kids, or fired.

I believe it’s already mandated for teachers in our district and there is little pushback. But the problem with mandating the vaccine for some of these professions is that there is already a shortage of workers or very little margin for losing more. What’s worse for kids in an area with lower vaccine uptake- an unvaccinated teacher or the ramifications of losing, say, 30% of the teachers? Especially when families will soon have the option of getting their kids vaccinated.

Honestly, I think that losing the unvaccinated subset of teachers is the best possible outcome. What could these anti-vaxxers possibly be teaching the students that we want the kids to learn? Why should the more at-risk students be forced to have subpar teachers who are not intelligent, clearly? I do think the unvaccinated need to be prohibited from accessing publicly funded resources, like any sidewalk or road, not just fired, because losing one's job isn't enough of a deterrent.

What the states could do to offset is re-assign teachers from wealthier school districts to those that lose their teachers. Then, to make up for the teachers needing to commute and larger class sizes, cut 80% of extra crap like clubs, sports, parent-teacher conferences from every single school in the state. Don't make them respond to parent emails, deal with parent complaints, or differentiate instruction for white kids whose parents pushed them into honors classes. Get rid of all this online learning BS and having to upload grades/assignments constantly. Administrators should field and handle completely all parent issues. Unless it's a fire-able offense, let. it. go.

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Anonymous wrote:You are delusional. What you are saying would only make sense for a sterilizing vaccine (vaccinated are totally immune to infection) with no animal reservoirs. Every person on earth could be vaccinated FORCIBLY and this thing would still be here.

Who cares? The point is to reduce ICU admissions, not to eliminate COVID. Note that I said it'll be endemic. It will literally never ever be eliminated. But we can't have morons using societal resources and then thinking their idiot selves get to make choices about whether or not vaccines are safe.

How many ICU admissions are being avoided by vaccinating healthy children or even healthy 20 something's? This is a money grab.

PP here, and I honestly do agree for the most part. That being said, we need to just go back to normal. Without masks for elementary school and younger AND their teachers. So if we need less community spread for people to be politically okay to do that, vaccinate the shit out of everyone. Not only fire people who won't get it, remove them entirely from society. The point is not whether it works or not - the point is that the American public is pretty stupid and and way too empowered - the average person needs to feel way less comfortable with pushing back against scientific recommendation.

The point I'm trying to make is actually about teachers and mask mandates - that teachers need to be in-person, unmasked every. single. day and mask mandates in educational settings must go. They should also be vaccine mandates for teachers. I really don't care if they get sick and die, but they could infect students. Finally, no one who is dumb enough to be anti-vaxx should be teaching anything (or employed at all).

You don't agree with me at all! You are an authoritarian! The point HAS to be whether it works or not, not about controlling people to the point of removing them from society. I am ashamed to share this country with people of your mindset.

The feeling is entirely mutual. And yea, at this point I don’t give a flying fig about anti-vaxxers (or their idiot enablers - looking at you). I’m not suggesting we should execute them, just require their vaccination as a condition of participating in anything publicly funded. Do you not drive on the right side of the road? There are a million things we are required to do to participate in society.

And I agree that this might be a money-making thing but frankly I don’t care. Get vaccinated or get out.

I’m fine with mandating the vaccine for students next school year, when fully approved, consistent with what has been done for other vaccines. Although I will vaccinate my kids sooner than that to avoid unnecessary quarantines, I don’t think it should be mandated under EUA to attend public school. Not worth the legal headaches and could ultimately be counterproductive.

PP here. I’m fine without mandating vaccination for kids under 12. But the teachers need to be vaccinated to protect the kids, or fired.

I believe it’s already mandated for teachers in our district and there is little pushback. But the problem with mandating the vaccine for some of these professions is that there is already a shortage of workers or very little margin for losing more. What’s worse for kids in an area with lower vaccine uptake- an unvaccinated teacher or the ramifications of losing, say, 30% of the teachers? Especially when families will soon have the option of getting their kids vaccinated.

Honestly, I think that losing the unvaccinated subset of teachers is the best possible outcome. What could these anti-vaxxers possibly be teaching the students that we want the kids to learn? Why should the more at-risk students be forced to have subpar teachers who are not intelligent, clearly? I do think the unvaccinated need to be prohibited from accessing publicly funded resources, like any sidewalk or road, not just fired, because losing one's job isn't enough of a deterrent.

What the states could do to offset is re-assign teachers from wealthier school districts to those that lose their teachers. Then, to make up for the teachers needing to commute and larger class sizes, cut 80% of extra crap like clubs, sports, parent-teacher conferences from every single school in the state. Don't make them respond to parent emails, deal with parent complaints, or differentiate instruction for white kids whose parents pushed them into honors classes. Get rid of all this online learning BS and having to upload grades/assignments constantly. Administrators should field and handle completely all parent issues. Unless it's a fire-able offense, let. it. go.

Seek help and for the love of everything, please don't ever run for office. Thanks!

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Anonymous wrote:You are delusional. What you are saying would only make sense for a sterilizing vaccine (vaccinated are totally immune to infection) with no animal reservoirs. Every person on earth could be vaccinated FORCIBLY and this thing would still be here.

Who cares? The point is to reduce ICU admissions, not to eliminate COVID. Note that I said it'll be endemic. It will literally never ever be eliminated. But we can't have morons using societal resources and then thinking their idiot selves get to make choices about whether or not vaccines are safe.

How many ICU admissions are being avoided by vaccinating healthy children or even healthy 20 something's? This is a money grab.

PP here, and I honestly do agree for the most part. That being said, we need to just go back to normal. Without masks for elementary school and younger AND their teachers. So if we need less community spread for people to be politically okay to do that, vaccinate the shit out of everyone. Not only fire people who won't get it, remove them entirely from society. The point is not whether it works or not - the point is that the American public is pretty stupid and and way too empowered - the average person needs to feel way less comfortable with pushing back against scientific recommendation.

The point I'm trying to make is actually about teachers and mask mandates - that teachers need to be in-person, unmasked every. single. day and mask mandates in educational settings must go. They should also be vaccine mandates for teachers. I really don't care if they get sick and die, but they could infect students. Finally, no one who is dumb enough to be anti-vaxx should be teaching anything (or employed at all).

You don't agree with me at all! You are an authoritarian! The point HAS to be whether it works or not, not about controlling people to the point of removing them from society. I am ashamed to share this country with people of your mindset.

The feeling is entirely mutual. And yea, at this point I don’t give a flying fig about anti-vaxxers (or their idiot enablers - looking at you). I’m not suggesting we should execute them, just require their vaccination as a condition of participating in anything publicly funded. Do you not drive on the right side of the road? There are a million things we are required to do to participate in society.

And I agree that this might be a money-making thing but frankly I don’t care. Get vaccinated or get out.

I’m fine with mandating the vaccine for students next school year, when fully approved, consistent with what has been done for other vaccines. Although I will vaccinate my kids sooner than that to avoid unnecessary quarantines, I don’t think it should be mandated under EUA to attend public school. Not worth the legal headaches and could ultimately be counterproductive.

PP here. I’m fine without mandating vaccination for kids under 12. But the teachers need to be vaccinated to protect the kids, or fired.

I believe it’s already mandated for teachers in our district and there is little pushback. But the problem with mandating the vaccine for some of these professions is that there is already a shortage of workers or very little margin for losing more. What’s worse for kids in an area with lower vaccine uptake- an unvaccinated teacher or the ramifications of losing, say, 30% of the teachers? Especially when families will soon have the option of getting their kids vaccinated.

Honestly, I think that losing the unvaccinated subset of teachers is the best possible outcome. What could these anti-vaxxers possibly be teaching the students that we want the kids to learn? Why should the more at-risk students be forced to have subpar teachers who are not intelligent, clearly? I do think the unvaccinated need to be prohibited from accessing publicly funded resources, like any sidewalk or road, not just fired, because losing one's job isn't enough of a deterrent.

What the states could do to offset is re-assign teachers from wealthier school districts to those that lose their teachers. Then, to make up for the teachers needing to commute and larger class sizes, cut 80% of extra crap like clubs, sports, parent-teacher conferences from every single school in the state. Don't make them respond to parent emails, deal with parent complaints, or differentiate instruction for white kids whose parents pushed them into honors classes. Get rid of all this online learning BS and having to upload grades/assignments constantly. Administrators should field and handle completely all parent issues. Unless it's a fire-able offense, let. it. go.

Seek help and for the love of everything, please don't ever run for office. Thanks!

Aw, did I hit a nerve? How many emails do you average a week to your kid's teachers?

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Anonymous wrote:You are delusional. What you are saying would only make sense for a sterilizing vaccine (vaccinated are totally immune to infection) with no animal reservoirs. Every person on earth could be vaccinated FORCIBLY and this thing would still be here.

Who cares? The point is to reduce ICU admissions, not to eliminate COVID. Note that I said it'll be endemic. It will literally never ever be eliminated. But we can't have morons using societal resources and then thinking their idiot selves get to make choices about whether or not vaccines are safe.

How many ICU admissions are being avoided by vaccinating healthy children or even healthy 20 something's? This is a money grab.

PP here, and I honestly do agree for the most part. That being said, we need to just go back to normal. Without masks for elementary school and younger AND their teachers. So if we need less community spread for people to be politically okay to do that, vaccinate the shit out of everyone. Not only fire people who won't get it, remove them entirely from society. The point is not whether it works or not - the point is that the American public is pretty stupid and and way too empowered - the average person needs to feel way less comfortable with pushing back against scientific recommendation.

The point I'm trying to make is actually about teachers and mask mandates - that teachers need to be in-person, unmasked every. single. day and mask mandates in educational settings must go. They should also be vaccine mandates for teachers. I really don't care if they get sick and die, but they could infect students. Finally, no one who is dumb enough to be anti-vaxx should be teaching anything (or employed at all).

You don't agree with me at all! You are an authoritarian! The point HAS to be whether it works or not, not about controlling people to the point of removing them from society. I am ashamed to share this country with people of your mindset.

The feeling is entirely mutual. And yea, at this point I don’t give a flying fig about anti-vaxxers (or their idiot enablers - looking at you). I’m not suggesting we should execute them, just require their vaccination as a condition of participating in anything publicly funded. Do you not drive on the right side of the road? There are a million things we are required to do to participate in society.

And I agree that this might be a money-making thing but frankly I don’t care. Get vaccinated or get out.

I’m fine with mandating the vaccine for students next school year, when fully approved, consistent with what has been done for other vaccines. Although I will vaccinate my kids sooner than that to avoid unnecessary quarantines, I don’t think it should be mandated under EUA to attend public school. Not worth the legal headaches and could ultimately be counterproductive.

PP here. I’m fine without mandating vaccination for kids under 12. But the teachers need to be vaccinated to protect the kids, or fired.

I believe it’s already mandated for teachers in our district and there is little pushback. But the problem with mandating the vaccine for some of these professions is that there is already a shortage of workers or very little margin for losing more. What’s worse for kids in an area with lower vaccine uptake- an unvaccinated teacher or the ramifications of losing, say, 30% of the teachers? Especially when families will soon have the option of getting their kids vaccinated.

Honestly, I think that losing the unvaccinated subset of teachers is the best possible outcome. What could these anti-vaxxers possibly be teaching the students that we want the kids to learn? Why should the more at-risk students be forced to have subpar teachers who are not intelligent, clearly? I do think the unvaccinated need to be prohibited from accessing publicly funded resources, like any sidewalk or road, not just fired, because losing one's job isn't enough of a deterrent.

What the states could do to offset is re-assign teachers from wealthier school districts to those that lose their teachers. Then, to make up for the teachers needing to commute and larger class sizes, cut 80% of extra crap like clubs, sports, parent-teacher conferences from every single school in the state. Don't make them respond to parent emails, deal with parent complaints, or differentiate instruction for white kids whose parents pushed them into honors classes. Get rid of all this online learning BS and having to upload grades/assignments constantly. Administrators should field and handle completely all parent issues. Unless it's a fire-able offense, let. it. go.

So basically, punish all the kids in the low-vax areas to make a point? I suspect that most parents who are highly supportive of mandates for teachers live in area where uptake is not a big issue.

Kids don't have the same risk profile as LTC facility residents and we need to stop treating them that way.

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Anonymous wrote:You are delusional. What you are saying would only make sense for a sterilizing vaccine (vaccinated are totally immune to infection) with no animal reservoirs. Every person on earth could be vaccinated FORCIBLY and this thing would still be here.

Who cares? The point is to reduce ICU admissions, not to eliminate COVID. Note that I said it'll be endemic. It will literally never ever be eliminated. But we can't have morons using societal resources and then thinking their idiot selves get to make choices about whether or not vaccines are safe.

How many ICU admissions are being avoided by vaccinating healthy children or even healthy 20 something's? This is a money grab.

PP here, and I honestly do agree for the most part. That being said, we need to just go back to normal. Without masks for elementary school and younger AND their teachers. So if we need less community spread for people to be politically okay to do that, vaccinate the shit out of everyone. Not only fire people who won't get it, remove them entirely from society. The point is not whether it works or not - the point is that the American public is pretty stupid and and way too empowered - the average person needs to feel way less comfortable with pushing back against scientific recommendation.

The point I'm trying to make is actually about teachers and mask mandates - that teachers need to be in-person, unmasked every. single. day and mask mandates in educational settings must go. They should also be vaccine mandates for teachers. I really don't care if they get sick and die, but they could infect students. Finally, no one who is dumb enough to be anti-vaxx should be teaching anything (or employed at all).

You don't agree with me at all! You are an authoritarian! The point HAS to be whether it works or not, not about controlling people to the point of removing them from society. I am ashamed to share this country with people of your mindset.

The feeling is entirely mutual. And yea, at this point I don’t give a flying fig about anti-vaxxers (or their idiot enablers - looking at you). I’m not suggesting we should execute them, just require their vaccination as a condition of participating in anything publicly funded. Do you not drive on the right side of the road? There are a million things we are required to do to participate in society.

And I agree that this might be a money-making thing but frankly I don’t care. Get vaccinated or get out.

I’m fine with mandating the vaccine for students next school year, when fully approved, consistent with what has been done for other vaccines. Although I will vaccinate my kids sooner than that to avoid unnecessary quarantines, I don’t think it should be mandated under EUA to attend public school. Not worth the legal headaches and could ultimately be counterproductive.

PP here. I’m fine without mandating vaccination for kids under 12. But the teachers need to be vaccinated to protect the kids, or fired.

I believe it’s already mandated for teachers in our district and there is little pushback. But the problem with mandating the vaccine for some of these professions is that there is already a shortage of workers or very little margin for losing more. What’s worse for kids in an area with lower vaccine uptake- an unvaccinated teacher or the ramifications of losing, say, 30% of the teachers? Especially when families will soon have the option of getting their kids vaccinated.

Honestly, I think that losing the unvaccinated subset of teachers is the best possible outcome. What could these anti-vaxxers possibly be teaching the students that we want the kids to learn? Why should the more at-risk students be forced to have subpar teachers who are not intelligent, clearly? I do think the unvaccinated need to be prohibited from accessing publicly funded resources, like any sidewalk or road, not just fired, because losing one's job isn't enough of a deterrent.

What the states could do to offset is re-assign teachers from wealthier school districts to those that lose their teachers. Then, to make up for the teachers needing to commute and larger class sizes, cut 80% of extra crap like clubs, sports, parent-teacher conferences from every single school in the state. Don't make them respond to parent emails, deal with parent complaints, or differentiate instruction for white kids whose parents pushed them into honors classes. Get rid of all this online learning BS and having to upload grades/assignments constantly. Administrators should field and handle completely all parent issues. Unless it's a fire-able offense, let. it. go.

So basically, punish all the kids in the low-vax areas to make a point? I suspect that most parents who are highly supportive of mandates for teachers live in area where uptake is not a big issue.

Kids don't have the same risk profile as LTC facility residents and we need to stop treating them that way.

No, did you see where I suggested teachers move districts to offset harm to kids? But really I don’t care what happens as long as we agree to stop shutting down schools for anything Covid related and forcing toddlers and little kids to wear masks. Do whatever you need to do to feel comfortable with that but it needs to happen like yesterday.

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Anonymous wrote:You are delusional. What you are saying would only make sense for a sterilizing vaccine (vaccinated are totally immune to infection) with no animal reservoirs. Every person on earth could be vaccinated FORCIBLY and this thing would still be here.

Who cares? The point is to reduce ICU admissions, not to eliminate COVID. Note that I said it'll be endemic. It will literally never ever be eliminated. But we can't have morons using societal resources and then thinking their idiot selves get to make choices about whether or not vaccines are safe.

How many ICU admissions are being avoided by vaccinating healthy children or even healthy 20 something's? This is a money grab.

PP here, and I honestly do agree for the most part. That being said, we need to just go back to normal. Without masks for elementary school and younger AND their teachers. So if we need less community spread for people to be politically okay to do that, vaccinate the shit out of everyone. Not only fire people who won't get it, remove them entirely from society. The point is not whether it works or not - the point is that the American public is pretty stupid and and way too empowered - the average person needs to feel way less comfortable with pushing back against scientific recommendation.

The point I'm trying to make is actually about teachers and mask mandates - that teachers need to be in-person, unmasked every. single. day and mask mandates in educational settings must go. They should also be vaccine mandates for teachers. I really don't care if they get sick and die, but they could infect students. Finally, no one who is dumb enough to be anti-vaxx should be teaching anything (or employed at all).

You don't agree with me at all! You are an authoritarian! The point HAS to be whether it works or not, not about controlling people to the point of removing them from society. I am ashamed to share this country with people of your mindset.

The feeling is entirely mutual. And yea, at this point I don’t give a flying fig about anti-vaxxers (or their idiot enablers - looking at you). I’m not suggesting we should execute them, just require their vaccination as a condition of participating in anything publicly funded. Do you not drive on the right side of the road? There are a million things we are required to do to participate in society.

And I agree that this might be a money-making thing but frankly I don’t care. Get vaccinated or get out.

I’m fine with mandating the vaccine for students next school year, when fully approved, consistent with what has been done for other vaccines. Although I will vaccinate my kids sooner than that to avoid unnecessary quarantines, I don’t think it should be mandated under EUA to attend public school. Not worth the legal headaches and could ultimately be counterproductive.

PP here. I’m fine without mandating vaccination for kids under 12. But the teachers need to be vaccinated to protect the kids, or fired.

I believe it’s already mandated for teachers in our district and there is little pushback. But the problem with mandating the vaccine for some of these professions is that there is already a shortage of workers or very little margin for losing more. What’s worse for kids in an area with lower vaccine uptake- an unvaccinated teacher or the ramifications of losing, say, 30% of the teachers? Especially when families will soon have the option of getting their kids vaccinated.

Honestly, I think that losing the unvaccinated subset of teachers is the best possible outcome. What could these anti-vaxxers possibly be teaching the students that we want the kids to learn? Why should the more at-risk students be forced to have subpar teachers who are not intelligent, clearly? I do think the unvaccinated need to be prohibited from accessing publicly funded resources, like any sidewalk or road, not just fired, because losing one's job isn't enough of a deterrent.

What the states could do to offset is re-assign teachers from wealthier school districts to those that lose their teachers. Then, to make up for the teachers needing to commute and larger class sizes, cut 80% of extra crap like clubs, sports, parent-teacher conferences from every single school in the state. Don't make them respond to parent emails, deal with parent complaints, or differentiate instruction for white kids whose parents pushed them into honors classes. Get rid of all this online learning BS and having to upload grades/assignments constantly. Administrators should field and handle completely all parent issues. Unless it's a fire-able offense, let. it. go.

So basically, punish all the kids in the low-vax areas to make a point? I suspect that most parents who are highly supportive of mandates for teachers live in area where uptake is not a big issue.

Kids don't have the same risk profile as LTC facility residents and we need to stop treating them that way.

No, did you see where I suggested teachers move districts to offset harm to kids? But really I don’t care what happens as long as we agree to stop shutting down schools for anything Covid related and forcing toddlers and little kids to wear masks. Do whatever you need to do to feel comfortable with that but it needs to happen like yesterday.

So basically you have no rational ideas. No organization is going to risk losing 30% of its workforce especially when they already have a shortage of employees. Additionally you overestimate teacher’s willingness just to be reassigned to another district, not to mention the legality around such as teachers are district employees not state. And you greatly overestimate your neighboring parents willingness to share resources such as teachers. I guarantee they don’t want their class size going up.

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You don't agree with me at all! You are an authoritarian! The point HAS to be whether it works or not, not about controlling people to the point of removing them from society. I am ashamed to share this country with people of your mindset.


The feeling is entirely mutual. And yea, at this point I don’t give a flying fig about anti-vaxxers (or their idiot enablers - looking at you). I’m not suggesting we should execute them, just require their vaccination as a condition of participating in anything publicly funded. Do you not drive on the right side of the road? There are a million things we are required to do to participate in society.

And I agree that this might be a money-making thing but frankly I don’t care. Get vaccinated or get out.

NP. In the child vaccine trial for ages 5-11, the only group with zero covid cases was the previously infected children. The vaccine is great at preventing severe disease in adults (unclear in children as the trial was not powered for that). The mandates would make sense if the vaccine was better at preventing transmission but it’s not.

“ Whatever a society chooses to do, and irrespective of how many people get vaccinated and re-vaccinated, it is unlikely to change the fact that eventually essentially everyone, everywhere will get exposed to the virus multiple times in their life time.”
- Francois Balloux, Director UCL Genetics Institute

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Anonymous wrote:I am a regular sub (3-4 days every week) at our local elementary school. Today was my first time in 1st grade this year. WOW. Academically and behaviorally I can honestly say this class was more behind than any other class. Honestly, the kindergarteners were better behaved. A lot of undiagnosed ADHD. And academically some of them are so behind they should be repeating K. Some of them literally don’t know what sounds letters make or how to use a pencil to do basic writing.

We discussed all last year how bad this would be but I secretly hoped we’d be pleasantly surprised. It was bad and I fear it will take years and years (if ever) for some of these kids to catch up.

WTAF.

Pro-tip, sweetie. If you see behavior problems everywhere, you're the common denominator. But thanks for the medical diagnosis. What are your credentials?

(p.s., they are SIX years old).

Interesting I’ve been in every other grade this year (including K) and none behaved anywhere near this badly. How often have you been in a classroom for an entire day dearie darling?

I haven't. I'm a clinician working in the field of ADHD.

But it's AMAZING that you're able to draw such sweeping conclusions about how bad first grade is, including making extensive diagnoses, based on your experience of a couple of days in one particular class. Maybe research the terms "outlier" and "confirmation bias" and report back. With citations, if you would.

DP. Maybe it would valuable professionally for you to shadow some classrooms for a couple days. So that you can see and know with authority that OP is wrong. Or right.

Exactly! 100% agree with PP. Sit behind your desk and judge. Why don't you go into the field and gather data like a good clinician would.

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So basically, punish all the kids in the low-vax areas to make a point? I suspect that most parents who are highly supportive of mandates for teachers live in area where uptake is not a big issue.

Kids don't have the same risk profile as LTC facility residents and we need to stop treating them that way.


No, did you see where I suggested teachers move districts to offset harm to kids? But really I don’t care what happens as long as we agree to stop shutting down schools for anything Covid related and forcing toddlers and little kids to wear masks. Do whatever you need to do to feel comfortable with that but it needs to happen like yesterday.

Kids are more protected from the severe effects of Covid than we are as vaccinated adults. The FDA decision to approve the vaccine for kids was not a slam dunk. Watch the meeting This is a nuanced medical decision and the vaccine should not be mandated for kids. The FDA is clear about that, as you can see if you watch the Oct. 26 meeting:
https://www.fda.gov/advisory-committees/advisory-committee-calendar/vaccines-and-related-biological-products-advisory-committee-october-26-2021-meeting-announcement

Kids should have the option to return to school as normal ASAP. In fact, thousands of schools around the country are normal.
https://about.burbio.com/school-mask-policies-by-state/

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We have gotten off topic. Anyways… I teach third grade and about 60percent of my students are on a kindergarten or first grade level. It is pretty bad. I can honestly say that there is not much hope for them. I will give them lesson for kindergarten and first grade in small groups but whole group is 3rd grade. Students are writing letter backwards and can’t spell sight words. I just want to quit. Not because of the students but because of my own kids that I need to worry about educationally right now. School just isn’t cutting it as far as filling in the gaps.

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Anonymous wrote:We have gotten off topic. Anyways… I teach third grade and about 60percent of my students are on a kindergarten or first grade level. It is pretty bad. I can honestly say that there is not much hope for them. I will give them lesson for kindergarten and first grade in small groups but whole group is 3rd grade. Students are writing letter backwards and can’t spell sight words. I just want to quit. Not because of the students but because of my own kids that I need to worry about educationally right now. School just isn’t cutting it as far as filling in the gaps.

NP. My 3rd grader is in AAP. He's bright but we saw a lot of regression last year and I noticed that he started reversing letters and numbers at the start of the school year, something he'd never done before. That has stopped now. Maybe he's finally beginning to catch up.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here - serious question. In a class of 20, where 14-15 kids can sit at their desk, follow basic instructions (get out the blue folder and your pencil), sit on the carpet without touching others, stand in a line, raise their hand etc. and 5 kids literally cannot/will not do these things no matter what you say or do, what is the best way to describe it? They are very clearly not behaviorally the same as the vast majority of their peers.

Well. My 2nd grader was struggling with a few of these things at the beginning of the year and we worked with him and now he's doing much better.

So maybe the best way to describe it is the pandemic was harder on some kids than others?

I'd go with that in early October rather than diagnosing them right now. Maybe wait a couple of months before you write them off.

Or maybe get a few more degrees…

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Anonymous wrote:I am very glad vax is coming soon for 5+. I know that age rarely gets very sick, but long term impacts of having covid are yet to be known. I have no interest in allowing my child to be part of that experience if I can help it, which thanks to science, I can help. Vaccinating our children protects them from long term impacts of covid, and allows society to get back to normal to include totally normal school. Its not just protecting old people.

!!! Long term impacts of the vaccine are even less known than long term covid effects.