Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

There is no such thing as " Jewish Blood" . You talk like a Zealot.

The vast majority of Arabs in Palestine, Lebanon & Syria are the exact same haplotype as Sephardic Jews: E1b1

They are the same " people "

You can’t have it both ways though, if the Palestinians have more middle eastern blood, they have a right to remain exactly where they are. How can one argue to remove them? Yes, the Sephardic jews have a right to be there fine, but the remaining nonSephardic have zero ties there. It is what it is. These are Europeans.

Deep breaths. I think you mean Mizrahi. Study up.

Ok why do half or more European persons have a right to force indigenous people out? We are still allowing this to happen in 2024?

What makes them "indigenous?" Because they colonized the area several hundred years ago, during the Arab conquests of muslim expansion? And what makes Jews somehow not indigenous, given they originated there, and the land used to be known as Judea, and have DNA ties to the area?

Why do you refuse to address the irrefutable fact that the genetic ties of the typical regional Jew to that specific region is far less significant (i.e., comparatively inferior) than the genetic tie of the typical regional Arab to that specific region?

Based on what? Based on comparing the DNA of a modern-day Palestinian to the DNA of a Palestinian Arab from 300 years ago? So what?

No, based on the fact that genetic testing confirms that nearly 100% of Palestinians are 100% genetically tied to the region, and less than 10% of Israelis are 100% tied to the region.

Those numbers are 100% made up. Palestinian DNA shows haplotypes connecting them to Lebanese, Egyptian, Iranian, Armenian, Turk et cetera et cetera et cetera. They aren't uniquely Palestinian and uniquely tied to the area as you claim. Instead, their DNA tells the story of Muslim conquest and then Ottoman rule, migrations of people into the area, intermarriages and so on. If you want to claim that Jews are somehow disqualified because of migrations and intermarriages then Palestinians are no better.

Cite with a non-Hasbara link, Miriam.

dp. now, now, no need for that.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

There is no such thing as " Jewish Blood" . You talk like a Zealot.

The vast majority of Arabs in Palestine, Lebanon & Syria are the exact same haplotype as Sephardic Jews: E1b1

They are the same " people "

You can’t have it both ways though, if the Palestinians have more middle eastern blood, they have a right to remain exactly where they are. How can one argue to remove them? Yes, the Sephardic jews have a right to be there fine, but the remaining nonSephardic have zero ties there. It is what it is. These are Europeans.

Deep breaths. I think you mean Mizrahi. Study up.

Ok why do half or more European persons have a right to force indigenous people out? We are still allowing this to happen in 2024?

What makes them "indigenous?" Because they colonized the area several hundred years ago, during the Arab conquests of muslim expansion? And what makes Jews somehow not indigenous, given they originated there, and the land used to be known as Judea, and have DNA ties to the area?

Why do you refuse to address the irrefutable fact that the genetic ties of the typical regional Jew to that specific region is far less significant (i.e., comparatively inferior) than the genetic tie of the typical regional Arab to that specific region?

Why do you refuse to address the irrefutable fact that the area was for thousands of years a Jewish land called Judea?

Why do you seem unaware of so many other things, for example how some supposedly "European" Jews have family names like "Cohen" which actually comes from being direct descendants of the priesthood of the Temple of Solomon? https://www.britannica.com/topic/cohen Last time I checked, there wasn't any confusion about some second Temple built by Solomon in Poland or anywhere else in Europe. They came from Jerusalem.

I think you are failing to understand that many Palestinians are also descended from those exact same Jewish people who were living in Judea all those years ago. They have common ancestors; the same Ancestor X for a Jewish Israeli who lived 3000 years ago may also be Ancestor X for a Palestinian. It's just that other descendants of Ancestor X converted to Christianity or Islam and intermarried with the various people who came in and out of the region. Why is it that one descendant of Ancestor X is entitled to live in Israel but another descendant of Ancestor X is not?

Is there any other land on this planet in which descendants of people who lived on the land thousands of years ago can come back and claim residency in that land?

DP. Newsflash: it already happened.

Where? It doesn’t make it right though, does it?

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Today I learned that in north Gaza, the IDF has eliminated about 8,000 Hamas terrorists and discovered over 30,000 Hamas weapons.

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Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

There is no such thing as " Jewish Blood" . You talk like a Zealot.

The vast majority of Arabs in Palestine, Lebanon & Syria are the exact same haplotype as Sephardic Jews: E1b1

They are the same " people "

You can’t have it both ways though, if the Palestinians have more middle eastern blood, they have a right to remain exactly where they are. How can one argue to remove them? Yes, the Sephardic jews have a right to be there fine, but the remaining nonSephardic have zero ties there. It is what it is. These are Europeans.

Deep breaths. I think you mean Mizrahi. Study up.

Ok why do half or more European persons have a right to force indigenous people out? We are still allowing this to happen in 2024?

What makes them "indigenous?" Because they colonized the area several hundred years ago, during the Arab conquests of muslim expansion? And what makes Jews somehow not indigenous, given they originated there, and the land used to be known as Judea, and have DNA ties to the area?

Why do you refuse to address the irrefutable fact that the genetic ties of the typical regional Jew to that specific region is far less significant (i.e., comparatively inferior) than the genetic tie of the typical regional Arab to that specific region?

Based on what? Based on comparing the DNA of a modern-day Palestinian to the DNA of a Palestinian Arab from 300 years ago? So what?

No, based on the fact that genetic testing confirms that nearly 100% of Palestinians are 100% genetically tied to the region, and less than 10% of Israelis are 100% tied to the region.

Those numbers are 100% made up. Palestinian DNA shows haplotypes connecting them to Lebanese, Egyptian, Iranian, Armenian, Turk et cetera et cetera et cetera. They aren't uniquely Palestinian and uniquely tied to the area as you claim. Instead, their DNA tells the story of Muslim conquest and then Ottoman rule, migrations of people into the area, intermarriages and so on. If you want to claim that Jews are somehow disqualified because of migrations and intermarriages then Palestinians are no better.

A lot of Gaza was settled by Egyptians in the 19th century. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1949-3606.2012.00172.x

Cool story, bro. Now that you've prayed to St. Google for search engine justification for already entrenched position, are you signing-up for genetic testing of all in the region to sort all of this out? What's that? No? Yeah, that's what we thought ...

"Cool story bro?"

Sorry but a scholarly research article published in a peer-reviewed journal of Middle East studies by far outranks your juvenile OPINIONS. Every. Single. Day.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.

The Hamas ministry of health does not reveal the number if terrorists in its casualty figures. So bizarre that it wouldn’t do that.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.

"Genocide" has always been a reach. But then again, it's not a reach to people who deny that 6 million Jews were systematically and deliberately killed by the Nazis.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.

The Hamas ministry of health does not reveal the number if terrorists in its casualty figures. So bizarre that it wouldn’t do that.

And the Hamas ministry of health's blatant lies about Al Shifa hospital and some of the other casualties, they have been inflating the casualty count by 2, 3 and even 4 times more than the actual number of deaths.

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i24 News today: “Hamas founder's grandson killed during an airstrike in Gaza - Palestinian reports

Ali Abu Ajah, the grandson of Hamas founder Ahmed Yassin, was killed during an airstrike in Gaza, according to Palestinian reports.

Sheikh Ahmed Yassin was eliminated by Israel in a targeted attack in 2004.”

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.

The Hamas ministry of health does not reveal the number if terrorists in its casualty figures. So bizarre that it wouldn’t do that.

It does, however, release the number of dead children. And that number has no impact on the pro-war subset in Israel and in the United States (it does in the rest of the world). So why do you think releasing an estimate of killed terrorists (again how a hospital is supposed to know this is a stretch) would impact the view of the pro-peace subset?

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

There is no such thing as " Jewish Blood" . You talk like a Zealot.

The vast majority of Arabs in Palestine, Lebanon & Syria are the exact same haplotype as Sephardic Jews: E1b1

They are the same " people "

You can’t have it both ways though, if the Palestinians have more middle eastern blood, they have a right to remain exactly where they are. How can one argue to remove them? Yes, the Sephardic jews have a right to be there fine, but the remaining nonSephardic have zero ties there. It is what it is. These are Europeans.

Deep breaths. I think you mean Mizrahi. Study up.

Ok why do half or more European persons have a right to force indigenous people out? We are still allowing this to happen in 2024?

What makes them "indigenous?" Because they colonized the area several hundred years ago, during the Arab conquests of muslim expansion? And what makes Jews somehow not indigenous, given they originated there, and the land used to be known as Judea, and have DNA ties to the area?

Welp, then no one belongs there then. Just all immigrate here I guess. We need more people and more conflict here.

Well if you can find some people who were there before it was Jewish Judea be my guest to make the case for "indigenous" - that's going to be tough, though - because the history of Jewish Judea goes back more than 3000 years.

Curious: do you read the Old Testament as a literal history document?

That would suggest: tribal heathens worshiping more than one God, Judea (peace and wonderful), Romans (bad), Arab invasion (very bad). Thats very incomplete history.

Judea existed for hundreds of years and is a significant part of history in the region….but it’s not the first and certainly not the only empire that ruled that area.


https://101.visualizingpalestine.org/sites/default/files/VP-101-01-HistoricContext-FINAL-AB-20190911_02.jpg

"Ruled over by" is not the same thing as "populated by" - And only a fool would try to argue Jews have no connection whatsoever to the area. It's not about "the fictional Old Testament" either - the Jewish connection to the area is attested to by numerous non-Jewish, non-religious historical sources, such as ancient Mesopotamian, Egyptian papyrii, Roman documents, and so on. It's laughable that you want to try and deny well-documented, well-established history.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.

The problem is sitting members of the cabinet concurrently talking about a decimation of the Gazan population and ethnic cleansing. That, in addition to the body count, is why the genocide charges are sticky.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.

"Genocide" has always been a reach. But then again, it's not a reach to people who deny that 6 million Jews were systematically and deliberately killed by the Nazis.

Yes, the Holocaust happened unfortunately, but almost everyone responsible for this atrocity is dead today. Hopefully, as Americans anyway, we have learned from this and move on and try and realize that most American nonJews born after WWII, in my experience anyway, harbor no hatred or prejudice toward Jews, they’re indifferent, they don’t even realize who is jewish or not. It’s not a topic of conversation for most American non jewish people, it’s a nonissue. I have jewish friends who I didn’t even reaize were jewish initially, they live productive comfortable lives here in the US.

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i24 News today: “Hamas founder's grandson killed during an airstrike in Gaza - Palestinian reports

Ali Abu Ajah, the grandson of Hamas founder Ahmed Yassin, was killed during an airstrike in Gaza, according to Palestinian reports.

Sheikh Ahmed Yassin was eliminated by Israel in a targeted attack in 2004.”

Hamas keeps losing its senior leaders. And they have lost thousands of their fighters. They should capitulate and surrender and abandon their ideology of violence and genocide of Jews. That will end the current bombing and provide possibility of a path to peace for Palestinians.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw, that also decreases the number of civilians killed. So maybe genocide might be a reach.

"Genocide" has always been a reach. But then again, it's not a reach to people who deny that 6 million Jews were systematically and deliberately killed by the Nazis.

Yes, the Holocaust happened unfortunately, but almost everyone responsible for this atrocity is dead today. Hopefully, as Americans anyway, we have learned from this and move on and try and realize that most American nonJews born after WWII, in my experience anyway, harbor no hatred or prejudice toward Jews, they’re indifferent, they don’t even realize who is jewish or not. It’s not a topic of conversation for most American non jewish people, it’s a nonissue. I have jewish friends who I didn’t even reaize were jewish initially, they live productive comfortable lives here in the US.

Many Hamas leaders deny the Holocaust happened, as do many other anti-semitic groups. And it's those same people who are trying to frame what's happening in Gaza as being the worst genocide in history. It's a major reach.