Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

There is no such thing as " Jewish Blood" . You talk like a Zealot.

The vast majority of Arabs in Palestine, Lebanon & Syria are the exact same haplotype as Sephardic Jews: E1b1

They are the same " people "

You can’t have it both ways though, if the Palestinians have more middle eastern blood, they have a right to remain exactly where they are. How can one argue to remove them? Yes, the Sephardic jews have a right to be there fine, but the remaining nonSephardic have zero ties there. It is what it is. These are Europeans.

Deep breaths. I think you mean Mizrahi. Study up.

Ok why do half or more European persons have a right to force indigenous people out? We are still allowing this to happen in 2024?

What makes them "indigenous?" Because they colonized the area several hundred years ago, during the Arab conquests of muslim expansion? And what makes Jews somehow not indigenous, given they originated there, and the land used to be known as Judea, and have DNA ties to the area?

Why do you refuse to address the irrefutable fact that the genetic ties of the typical regional Jew to that specific region is far less significant (i.e., comparatively inferior) than the genetic tie of the typical regional Arab to that specific region?

Based on what? Based on comparing the DNA of a modern-day Palestinian to the DNA of a Palestinian Arab from 300 years ago? So what?

No, based on the fact that genetic testing confirms that nearly 100% of Palestinians are 100% genetically tied to the region, and less than 10% of Israelis are 100% tied to the region.

Those numbers are 100% made up. Palestinian DNA shows haplotypes connecting them to Lebanese, Egyptian, Iranian, Armenian, Turk et cetera et cetera et cetera. They aren't uniquely Palestinian and uniquely tied to the area as you claim. Instead, their DNA tells the story of Muslim conquest and then Ottoman rule, migrations of people into the area, intermarriages and so on. If you want to claim that Jews are somehow disqualified because of migrations and intermarriages then Palestinians are no better.

Are you ready to consent to a system where a DNA test is done on every single person in the region, after which they are rank ordered (descending) by genetic tie to the region and the first 7M get to stay, and the remaining 7.5M can hit the bricks? Yeah, I didn't think so.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

There is no such thing as " Jewish Blood" . You talk like a Zealot.

The vast majority of Arabs in Palestine, Lebanon & Syria are the exact same haplotype as Sephardic Jews: E1b1

They are the same " people "

You can’t have it both ways though, if the Palestinians have more middle eastern blood, they have a right to remain exactly where they are. How can one argue to remove them? Yes, the Sephardic jews have a right to be there fine, but the remaining nonSephardic have zero ties there. It is what it is. These are Europeans.

Deep breaths. I think you mean Mizrahi. Study up.

Ok why do half or more European persons have a right to force indigenous people out? We are still allowing this to happen in 2024?

What makes them "indigenous?" Because they colonized the area several hundred years ago, during the Arab conquests of muslim expansion? And what makes Jews somehow not indigenous, given they originated there, and the land used to be known as Judea, and have DNA ties to the area?

Why do you refuse to address the irrefutable fact that the genetic ties of the typical regional Jew to that specific region is far less significant (i.e., comparatively inferior) than the genetic tie of the typical regional Arab to that specific region?

Based on what? Based on comparing the DNA of a modern-day Palestinian to the DNA of a Palestinian Arab from 300 years ago? So what?

No, based on the fact that genetic testing confirms that nearly 100% of Palestinians are 100% genetically tied to the region, and less than 10% of Israelis are 100% tied to the region.

Those numbers are 100% made up. Palestinian DNA shows haplotypes connecting them to Lebanese, Egyptian, Iranian, Armenian, Turk et cetera et cetera et cetera. They aren't uniquely Palestinian and uniquely tied to the area as you claim. Instead, their DNA tells the story of Muslim conquest and then Ottoman rule, migrations of people into the area, intermarriages and so on. If you want to claim that Jews are somehow disqualified because of migrations and intermarriages then Palestinians are no better.

A lot of Gaza was settled by Egyptians in the 19th century. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1949-3606.2012.00172.x

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

There is no such thing as " Jewish Blood" . You talk like a Zealot.

The vast majority of Arabs in Palestine, Lebanon & Syria are the exact same haplotype as Sephardic Jews: E1b1

They are the same " people "

You can’t have it both ways though, if the Palestinians have more middle eastern blood, they have a right to remain exactly where they are. How can one argue to remove them? Yes, the Sephardic jews have a right to be there fine, but the remaining nonSephardic have zero ties there. It is what it is. These are Europeans.

Deep breaths. I think you mean Mizrahi. Study up.

Ok why do half or more European persons have a right to force indigenous people out? We are still allowing this to happen in 2024?

What makes them "indigenous?" Because they colonized the area several hundred years ago, during the Arab conquests of muslim expansion? And what makes Jews somehow not indigenous, given they originated there, and the land used to be known as Judea, and have DNA ties to the area?

Why do you refuse to address the irrefutable fact that the genetic ties of the typical regional Jew to that specific region is far less significant (i.e., comparatively inferior) than the genetic tie of the typical regional Arab to that specific region?

Based on what? Based on comparing the DNA of a modern-day Palestinian to the DNA of a Palestinian Arab from 300 years ago? So what?

No, based on the fact that genetic testing confirms that nearly 100% of Palestinians are 100% genetically tied to the region, and less than 10% of Israelis are 100% tied to the region.

Those numbers are 100% made up. Palestinian DNA shows haplotypes connecting them to Lebanese, Egyptian, Iranian, Armenian, Turk et cetera et cetera et cetera. They aren't uniquely Palestinian and uniquely tied to the area as you claim. Instead, their DNA tells the story of Muslim conquest and then Ottoman rule, migrations of people into the area, intermarriages and so on. If you want to claim that Jews are somehow disqualified because of migrations and intermarriages then Palestinians are no better.

A lot of Gaza was settled by Egyptians in the 19th century. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1949-3606.2012.00172.x

Cool story, bro. Now that you've prayed to St. Google for search engine justification for already entrenched position, are you signing-up for genetic testing of all in the region to sort all of this out? What's that? No? Yeah, that's what we thought ...

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

There were ancient Canaanites in the area long, long, long before there were Jews, Christians, or Muslims. The land was inhabited for tens of millennia before Judaism was even invented. Why should just one -- of the many different religious groups that have lived there -- have a special claim to this piece of land?

Last time I checked, two “religious groups” — those who are called Muslims and Jews are making “special” claims to “this piece of land. Not sure where the Canaanites fit in in 2024.

The struggle is between Palestinians and Zionists, not between Muslims and Jews. Palestinians are not exclusively Muslim (they include Christian and other denominations), and Zionists are not exclusively Jewish (many are agnostic or atheist). Additionally, neither Islam nor Judaism is monolithic, as there is great diversity within each tradition.

One can't argue that being Jewish or having a few drops of Jewish blood is proof of indigeneity and therefore land ownership when Judaism was invented tens of millennia after the land was already populated with homo sapiens. The claim then moves to Judaism being older than Christianity or Islam. Does this precedent apply if the descendants of polytheistic/animistic people whose ancestors lived in the southern Levant 30,000 years ago suddenly decide to take over what is now Israel? Are they the true indigenous people because they practiced their religion there first? These "me first!" claims based on archaic religious practices from millennia ago are truly absurd, even if you believe the ancient fables they're based on. In any case, establishing a religion in a particular region does not give you ownership of the land. Buddhism developed in India, which does not give Buddhists a license to create a Buddhist state in India and ethnically cleanse the ~80% of the population that is Hindu. Hinduism preceded Buddhism, which does not give Hindus the right to subjugate Buddhists or to ethnically cleanse them from the land.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

There is no such thing as " Jewish Blood" . You talk like a Zealot.

The vast majority of Arabs in Palestine, Lebanon & Syria are the exact same haplotype as Sephardic Jews: E1b1

They are the same " people "

You can’t have it both ways though, if the Palestinians have more middle eastern blood, they have a right to remain exactly where they are. How can one argue to remove them? Yes, the Sephardic jews have a right to be there fine, but the remaining nonSephardic have zero ties there. It is what it is. These are Europeans.

Deep breaths. I think you mean Mizrahi. Study up.

Ok why do half or more European persons have a right to force indigenous people out? We are still allowing this to happen in 2024?

What makes them "indigenous?" Because they colonized the area several hundred years ago, during the Arab conquests of muslim expansion? And what makes Jews somehow not indigenous, given they originated there, and the land used to be known as Judea, and have DNA ties to the area?

Why do you refuse to address the irrefutable fact that the genetic ties of the typical regional Jew to that specific region is far less significant (i.e., comparatively inferior) than the genetic tie of the typical regional Arab to that specific region?

Why do you refuse to address the irrefutable fact that the area was for thousands of years a Jewish land called Judea?

Why do you seem unaware of so many other things, for example how some supposedly "European" Jews have family names like "Cohen" which actually comes from being direct descendants of the priesthood of the Temple of Solomon? https://www.britannica.com/topic/cohen Last time I checked, there wasn't any confusion about some second Temple built by Solomon in Poland or anywhere else in Europe. They came from Jerusalem.

I think you are failing to understand that many Palestinians are also descended from those exact same Jewish people who were living in Judea all those years ago. They have common ancestors; the same Ancestor X for a Jewish Israeli who lived 3000 years ago may also be Ancestor X for a Palestinian. It's just that other descendants of Ancestor X converted to Christianity or Islam and intermarried with the various people who came in and out of the region. Why is it that one descendant of Ancestor X is entitled to live in Israel but another descendant of Ancestor X is not?

Is there any other land on this planet in which descendants of people who lived on the land thousands of years ago can come back and claim residency in that land?

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

There is no such thing as " Jewish Blood" . You talk like a Zealot.

The vast majority of Arabs in Palestine, Lebanon & Syria are the exact same haplotype as Sephardic Jews: E1b1

They are the same " people "

You can’t have it both ways though, if the Palestinians have more middle eastern blood, they have a right to remain exactly where they are. How can one argue to remove them? Yes, the Sephardic jews have a right to be there fine, but the remaining nonSephardic have zero ties there. It is what it is. These are Europeans.

Deep breaths. I think you mean Mizrahi. Study up.

Ok why do half or more European persons have a right to force indigenous people out? We are still allowing this to happen in 2024?

What makes them "indigenous?" Because they colonized the area several hundred years ago, during the Arab conquests of muslim expansion? And what makes Jews somehow not indigenous, given they originated there, and the land used to be known as Judea, and have DNA ties to the area?

Why do you refuse to address the irrefutable fact that the genetic ties of the typical regional Jew to that specific region is far less significant (i.e., comparatively inferior) than the genetic tie of the typical regional Arab to that specific region?

Why do you refuse to address the irrefutable fact that the area was for thousands of years a Jewish land called Judea?

Why do you seem unaware of so many other things, for example how some supposedly "European" Jews have family names like "Cohen" which actually comes from being direct descendants of the priesthood of the Temple of Solomon? https://www.britannica.com/topic/cohen Last time I checked, there wasn't any confusion about some second Temple built by Solomon in Poland or anywhere else in Europe. They came from Jerusalem.

I think you are failing to understand that many Palestinians are also descended from those exact same Jewish people who were living in Judea all those years ago. They have common ancestors; the same Ancestor X for a Jewish Israeli who lived 3000 years ago may also be Ancestor X for a Palestinian. It's just that other descendants of Ancestor X converted to Christianity or Islam and intermarried with the various people who came in and out of the region. Why is it that one descendant of Ancestor X is entitled to live in Israel but another descendant of Ancestor X is not?

Is there any other land on this planet in which descendants of people who lived on the land thousands of years ago can come back and claim residency in that land?

Why is the US so invested in this unending, seemingly unresolvable, conflict? How does our involvement in this make the US a stronger, more cohesive and inclusive society?

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

There is no such thing as " Jewish Blood" . You talk like a Zealot.

The vast majority of Arabs in Palestine, Lebanon & Syria are the exact same haplotype as Sephardic Jews: E1b1

They are the same " people "

You can’t have it both ways though, if the Palestinians have more middle eastern blood, they have a right to remain exactly where they are. How can one argue to remove them? Yes, the Sephardic jews have a right to be there fine, but the remaining nonSephardic have zero ties there. It is what it is. These are Europeans.

Deep breaths. I think you mean Mizrahi. Study up.

Ok why do half or more European persons have a right to force indigenous people out? We are still allowing this to happen in 2024?

What makes them "indigenous?" Because they colonized the area several hundred years ago, during the Arab conquests of muslim expansion? And what makes Jews somehow not indigenous, given they originated there, and the land used to be known as Judea, and have DNA ties to the area?

Why do you refuse to address the irrefutable fact that the genetic ties of the typical regional Jew to that specific region is far less significant (i.e., comparatively inferior) than the genetic tie of the typical regional Arab to that specific region?

Why do you refuse to address the irrefutable fact that the area was for thousands of years a Jewish land called Judea?

Why do you seem unaware of so many other things, for example how some supposedly "European" Jews have family names like "Cohen" which actually comes from being direct descendants of the priesthood of the Temple of Solomon? https://www.britannica.com/topic/cohen Last time I checked, there wasn't any confusion about some second Temple built by Solomon in Poland or anywhere else in Europe. They came from Jerusalem.

Judea existed for about 500-600 years. Not thousands. There have been many empires and rules governing the land over thousands of years.

https://101.visualizingpalestine.org/sites/default/files/VP-101-01-HistoricContext-FINAL-AB-20190911_02.jpg

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

There is no such thing as " Jewish Blood" . You talk like a Zealot.

The vast majority of Arabs in Palestine, Lebanon & Syria are the exact same haplotype as Sephardic Jews: E1b1

They are the same " people "

You can’t have it both ways though, if the Palestinians have more middle eastern blood, they have a right to remain exactly where they are. How can one argue to remove them? Yes, the Sephardic jews have a right to be there fine, but the remaining nonSephardic have zero ties there. It is what it is. These are Europeans.

Deep breaths. I think you mean Mizrahi. Study up.

Ok why do half or more European persons have a right to force indigenous people out? We are still allowing this to happen in 2024?

What makes them "indigenous?" Because they colonized the area several hundred years ago, during the Arab conquests of muslim expansion? And what makes Jews somehow not indigenous, given they originated there, and the land used to be known as Judea, and have DNA ties to the area?

Why do you refuse to address the irrefutable fact that the genetic ties of the typical regional Jew to that specific region is far less significant (i.e., comparatively inferior) than the genetic tie of the typical regional Arab to that specific region?

Based on what? Based on comparing the DNA of a modern-day Palestinian to the DNA of a Palestinian Arab from 300 years ago? So what?

No, based on the fact that genetic testing confirms that nearly 100% of Palestinians are 100% genetically tied to the region, and less than 10% of Israelis are 100% tied to the region.

Those numbers are 100% made up. Palestinian DNA shows haplotypes connecting them to Lebanese, Egyptian, Iranian, Armenian, Turk et cetera et cetera et cetera. They aren't uniquely Palestinian and uniquely tied to the area as you claim. Instead, their DNA tells the story of Muslim conquest and then Ottoman rule, migrations of people into the area, intermarriages and so on. If you want to claim that Jews are somehow disqualified because of migrations and intermarriages then Palestinians are no better.

A lot of Gaza was settled by Egyptians in the 19th century. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1949-3606.2012.00172.x

As well as refugees from Israel’s formation in 1948 and more refugees from 1967.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

There is no such thing as " Jewish Blood" . You talk like a Zealot.

The vast majority of Arabs in Palestine, Lebanon & Syria are the exact same haplotype as Sephardic Jews: E1b1

They are the same " people "

You can’t have it both ways though, if the Palestinians have more middle eastern blood, they have a right to remain exactly where they are. How can one argue to remove them? Yes, the Sephardic jews have a right to be there fine, but the remaining nonSephardic have zero ties there. It is what it is. These are Europeans.

Deep breaths. I think you mean Mizrahi. Study up.

Ok why do half or more European persons have a right to force indigenous people out? We are still allowing this to happen in 2024?

What makes them "indigenous?" Because they colonized the area several hundred years ago, during the Arab conquests of muslim expansion? And what makes Jews somehow not indigenous, given they originated there, and the land used to be known as Judea, and have DNA ties to the area?

Welp, then no one belongs there then. Just all immigrate here I guess. We need more people and more conflict here.

Well if you can find some people who were there before it was Jewish Judea be my guest to make the case for "indigenous" - that's going to be tough, though - because the history of Jewish Judea goes back more than 3000 years.

Curious: do you read the Old Testament as a literal history document?

That would suggest: tribal heathens worshiping more than one God, Judea (peace and wonderful), Romans (bad), Arab invasion (very bad). Thats very incomplete history.

Judea existed for hundreds of years and is a significant part of history in the region….but it’s not the first and certainly not the only empire that ruled that area.


https://101.visualizingpalestine.org/sites/default/files/VP-101-01-HistoricContext-FINAL-AB-20190911_02.jpg

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

There is no such thing as " Jewish Blood" . You talk like a Zealot.

The vast majority of Arabs in Palestine, Lebanon & Syria are the exact same haplotype as Sephardic Jews: E1b1

They are the same " people "

You can’t have it both ways though, if the Palestinians have more middle eastern blood, they have a right to remain exactly where they are. How can one argue to remove them? Yes, the Sephardic jews have a right to be there fine, but the remaining nonSephardic have zero ties there. It is what it is. These are Europeans.

Deep breaths. I think you mean Mizrahi. Study up.

Ok why do half or more European persons have a right to force indigenous people out? We are still allowing this to happen in 2024?

What makes them "indigenous?" Because they colonized the area several hundred years ago, during the Arab conquests of muslim expansion? And what makes Jews somehow not indigenous, given they originated there, and the land used to be known as Judea, and have DNA ties to the area?

Why do you refuse to address the irrefutable fact that the genetic ties of the typical regional Jew to that specific region is far less significant (i.e., comparatively inferior) than the genetic tie of the typical regional Arab to that specific region?

Why do you refuse to address the irrefutable fact that the area was for thousands of years a Jewish land called Judea?

Why do you seem unaware of so many other things, for example how some supposedly "European" Jews have family names like "Cohen" which actually comes from being direct descendants of the priesthood of the Temple of Solomon? https://www.britannica.com/topic/cohen Last time I checked, there wasn't any confusion about some second Temple built by Solomon in Poland or anywhere else in Europe. They came from Jerusalem.

I think you are failing to understand that many Palestinians are also descended from those exact same Jewish people who were living in Judea all those years ago. They have common ancestors; the same Ancestor X for a Jewish Israeli who lived 3000 years ago may also be Ancestor X for a Palestinian. It's just that other descendants of Ancestor X converted to Christianity or Islam and intermarried with the various people who came in and out of the region. Why is it that one descendant of Ancestor X is entitled to live in Israel but another descendant of Ancestor X is not?

Is there any other land on this planet in which descendants of people who lived on the land thousands of years ago can come back and claim residency in that land?

Correct, this logic doesn’t and cannot apply to any other groups or anywhere else on Earth. It’s difficult to comprehend. Is it antisemitic to question this?

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Objectively none of this makes any sense whatsoever.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

There is no such thing as " Jewish Blood" . You talk like a Zealot.

The vast majority of Arabs in Palestine, Lebanon & Syria are the exact same haplotype as Sephardic Jews: E1b1

They are the same " people "

You can’t have it both ways though, if the Palestinians have more middle eastern blood, they have a right to remain exactly where they are. How can one argue to remove them? Yes, the Sephardic jews have a right to be there fine, but the remaining nonSephardic have zero ties there. It is what it is. These are Europeans.

Deep breaths. I think you mean Mizrahi. Study up.

Ok why do half or more European persons have a right to force indigenous people out? We are still allowing this to happen in 2024?

What makes them "indigenous?" Because they colonized the area several hundred years ago, during the Arab conquests of muslim expansion? And what makes Jews somehow not indigenous, given they originated there, and the land used to be known as Judea, and have DNA ties to the area?

Why do you refuse to address the irrefutable fact that the genetic ties of the typical regional Jew to that specific region is far less significant (i.e., comparatively inferior) than the genetic tie of the typical regional Arab to that specific region?

Why do you refuse to address the irrefutable fact that the area was for thousands of years a Jewish land called Judea?

Why do you seem unaware of so many other things, for example how some supposedly "European" Jews have family names like "Cohen" which actually comes from being direct descendants of the priesthood of the Temple of Solomon? https://www.britannica.com/topic/cohen Last time I checked, there wasn't any confusion about some second Temple built by Solomon in Poland or anywhere else in Europe. They came from Jerusalem.

I think you are failing to understand that many Palestinians are also descended from those exact same Jewish people who were living in Judea all those years ago. They have common ancestors; the same Ancestor X for a Jewish Israeli who lived 3000 years ago may also be Ancestor X for a Palestinian. It's just that other descendants of Ancestor X converted to Christianity or Islam and intermarried with the various people who came in and out of the region. Why is it that one descendant of Ancestor X is entitled to live in Israel but another descendant of Ancestor X is not?

Is there any other land on this planet in which descendants of people who lived on the land thousands of years ago can come back and claim residency in that land?

Why is the US so invested in this unending, seemingly unresolvable, conflict? How does our involvement in this make the US a stronger, more cohesive and inclusive society?

You know why. They are a democracy, albeit a flawed one. In that region, they really are the only democracy. The other nations are not only aristrocracies, they have rich oil supplies that our nation needs. Once the move to renewaables is done, it may be harder to support Israel just based on our shared values regarding government.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

There were ancient Canaanites in the area long, long, long before there were Jews, Christians, or Muslims. The land was inhabited for tens of millennia before Judaism was even invented. Why should just one -- of the many different religious groups that have lived there -- have a special claim to this piece of land?

Last time I checked, two “religious groups” — those who are called Muslims and Jews are making “special” claims to “this piece of land. Not sure where the Canaanites fit in in 2024.

The struggle is between Palestinians and Zionists, not between Muslims and Jews. Palestinians are not exclusively Muslim (they include Christian and other denominations), and Zionists are not exclusively Jewish (many are agnostic or atheist). Additionally, neither Islam nor Judaism is monolithic, as there is great diversity within each tradition.

One can't argue that being Jewish or having a few drops of Jewish blood is proof of indigeneity and therefore land ownership when Judaism was invented tens of millennia after the land was already populated with homo sapiens. The claim then moves to Judaism being older than Christianity or Islam. Does this precedent apply if the descendants of polytheistic/animistic people whose ancestors lived in the southern Levant 30,000 years ago suddenly decide to take over what is now Israel? Are they the true indigenous people because they practiced their religion there first? These "me first!" claims based on archaic religious practices from millennia ago are truly absurd, even if you believe the ancient fables they're based on. In any case, establishing a religion in a particular region does not give you ownership of the land. Buddhism developed in India, which does not give Buddhists a license to create a Buddhist state in India and ethnically cleanse the ~80% of the population that is Hindu. Hinduism preceded Buddhism, which does not give Hindus the right to subjugate Buddhists or to ethnically cleanse them from the land.

I can’t take your argument seriously when you say things like “truly absurd” and “ancient fables.”

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

There is no such thing as " Jewish Blood" . You talk like a Zealot.

The vast majority of Arabs in Palestine, Lebanon & Syria are the exact same haplotype as Sephardic Jews: E1b1

They are the same " people "

You can’t have it both ways though, if the Palestinians have more middle eastern blood, they have a right to remain exactly where they are. How can one argue to remove them? Yes, the Sephardic jews have a right to be there fine, but the remaining nonSephardic have zero ties there. It is what it is. These are Europeans.

Deep breaths. I think you mean Mizrahi. Study up.

Ok why do half or more European persons have a right to force indigenous people out? We are still allowing this to happen in 2024?

What makes them "indigenous?" Because they colonized the area several hundred years ago, during the Arab conquests of muslim expansion? And what makes Jews somehow not indigenous, given they originated there, and the land used to be known as Judea, and have DNA ties to the area?

Why do you refuse to address the irrefutable fact that the genetic ties of the typical regional Jew to that specific region is far less significant (i.e., comparatively inferior) than the genetic tie of the typical regional Arab to that specific region?

Why do you refuse to address the irrefutable fact that the area was for thousands of years a Jewish land called Judea?

Why do you seem unaware of so many other things, for example how some supposedly "European" Jews have family names like "Cohen" which actually comes from being direct descendants of the priesthood of the Temple of Solomon? https://www.britannica.com/topic/cohen Last time I checked, there wasn't any confusion about some second Temple built by Solomon in Poland or anywhere else in Europe. They came from Jerusalem.

I think you are failing to understand that many Palestinians are also descended from those exact same Jewish people who were living in Judea all those years ago. They have common ancestors; the same Ancestor X for a Jewish Israeli who lived 3000 years ago may also be Ancestor X for a Palestinian. It's just that other descendants of Ancestor X converted to Christianity or Islam and intermarried with the various people who came in and out of the region. Why is it that one descendant of Ancestor X is entitled to live in Israel but another descendant of Ancestor X is not?

Is there any other land on this planet in which descendants of people who lived on the land thousands of years ago can come back and claim residency in that land?

DP. Newsflash: it already happened.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

There were ancient Canaanites in the area long, long, long before there were Jews, Christians, or Muslims. The land was inhabited for tens of millennia before Judaism was even invented. Why should just one -- of the many different religious groups that have lived there -- have a special claim to this piece of land?

Last time I checked, two “religious groups” — those who are called Muslims and Jews are making “special” claims to “this piece of land. Not sure where the Canaanites fit in in 2024.

The struggle is between Palestinians and Zionists, not between Muslims and Jews. Palestinians are not exclusively Muslim (they include Christian and other denominations), and Zionists are not exclusively Jewish (many are agnostic or atheist). Additionally, neither Islam nor Judaism is monolithic, as there is great diversity within each tradition.

One can't argue that being Jewish or having a few drops of Jewish blood is proof of indigeneity and therefore land ownership when Judaism was invented tens of millennia after the land was already populated with homo sapiens. The claim then moves to Judaism being older than Christianity or Islam. Does this precedent apply if the descendants of polytheistic/animistic people whose ancestors lived in the southern Levant 30,000 years ago suddenly decide to take over what is now Israel? Are they the true indigenous people because they practiced their religion there first? These "me first!" claims based on archaic religious practices from millennia ago are truly absurd, even if you believe the ancient fables they're based on. In any case, establishing a religion in a particular region does not give you ownership of the land. Buddhism developed in India, which does not give Buddhists a license to create a Buddhist state in India and ethnically cleanse the ~80% of the population that is Hindu. Hinduism preceded Buddhism, which does not give Hindus the right to subjugate Buddhists or to ethnically cleanse them from the land.

I can’t take your argument seriously when you say things like “truly absurd” and “ancient fables.”

Despite some flowery language, that statement is not incorrect.